Why arent combination guns more common? I could see it having

>>33687931
One factor could be that getting two barrels to point in the exact same direction is actually pretty difficult. Also no semiauto.

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Like I imagine a 3006 12ga o u would be super useful for deer or hog hunting

>>33687931
Because in America there isn't a limit on the number of guns you can own, and it's generally cheap to do. So we just buy multiple guns if we want to have multiple uses. In Europe, such things are more difficult and expensive (generally speaking), so combination guns and drillings and such make more sense.

They have purpose and they do exist but usually are some orders of magnitude more expensive than a semiautomatic, one caliber gun that offers the far bigger advantage of a repeating gun.

Tl;Dr not worth over a semiautomatic

Probably because combination guns have to be over under break actions, which aren't that common to start off

>>33688007
I think the idea is you have 22 rimfire on the bottom for rabbits or snakes when you're out deer hunting, or you have 30-30 on top if you run into a bear while shooting groundhogs.

>>33688007
That isn't where the design comes from, as the countries with ownership restrictions do it by barrel/chamber anyway - so you'd have two firearms.

It's because they're gimmicks. Some of them are extremely well made and put together gimmicks, but they're gimmicks nonetheless.

Idk why but having the rifle on the bottom and the shotgun on top really triggers me.

>>33687931
I've been wondering this, it would be fucking awesome if say CZ or Sako made a rifled 20ga over smoothbore 12ga, or a .223/20ga or 223/12ga

>>33688211
I agree
>dubs of truth

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>>33688007
>>33687931

Of course multiple guns can be combination gun with enough string or pickaninny rails.

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>>33689159

>>33689178
At some point it just behooves you to have two guns.

>>33688146
Dad had a break action (I think, I was 5) Savage combo .22/.410. I had a lot of fun with that rifle until the selector broke.

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>>33688211

Think about how breech loading a shotgun works and then think that design choice again.

Combination guns with a breach loading feed always have the higher calibres up top and the lower calibres on the bottom.

>>33689159
>pistol gets attached to rifle, now pistol has a stock
Nice SBR. Say goodbye to doggo.

>>33689230
How has this SBR crap not been struck down by the supreme court yet?

It doesn't even pass rational basis review. Even if the courts hold that restricting particularly dangerous sorts of weapons is permissible under the 2nd Amendment, that isn't the case here. A pistol with a stock or a rifle with the barrel cut down is no more dangerous than an ordinary rifle. Probably even less so, on account of the diminished accuracy at range.

>>33687972
Why not just a 12 gauge and then something like a barrel insert?
1 trigger/hammer/main spring/firing pin instead of 2
Much simpler, and with a different insert you could shoot different calibers

>>33689354
Unfortunately there are too many limpwristed judges and the NRA isn't aggressive enough.

>>33689193
At some point. But not quite at that point.

If gun laws were strict on say how many guns you could transport at once they'd probably be desirable for Fudds or range shooters.

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>>33689213

>>33689464
You just described my SHTF long gun.
A single shot 12 gauge, and every insert I can find (Chiappa makes some decent ones).
I'd be fucked in a shootout, but being able to shoot any caliber or gauge that I came across is a huge advantage.

>>33687931

Because they're fucking gay

>>33688146
none of which happens in real life. you cant just indiscriminately kill shit when you're out hunting deer.

most states close the other seasons while deer hunting season is open becasue its so tightly regulated. you cant just say "oh im out hunting coyote because this setup isnt legal for deer" if you're caught with anything illegal during deer season you're fucked.

but what would i know im just a fudd. that hunts with firearms.

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>>33689354
>A pistol with a stock or a rifle with the barrel cut down is no more dangerous than an ordinary rifle.
Except with regard to concealability, which is what gave these weapons favor amongst criminals back when the NFA was conceived.

Of course, a criminal isn't going to give a flying fuck about the NFA, so...

>>33689712
also, poachers are a lower form of life. worse than thieves. taking an animal out of season is poaching.

>>33687931
Because when you shoot one barrel, it expands with heat, but the other tube doesn't, so because of thermal expansion you get poi shift quite a bit. Bloke in the range explained this in his latest questions video

>>33689665
you're gay

>>33689712
+1 that's just not how hunting usually works. You typically are targeting species or group of similar species. Especially for stuff like deer. No one is going to risk spooking a deer to shoot a rabbit, considering on limited deer hunting usually is.

The only context where the combo gun makes sense to me is survival hunting. And those exist.

In general, the compromises involved in a combo gun make it not as practical as either stand alone gun.

This doesn't stop me from wanted to put an underbarrel SBS on an ar15 for mostly gun autism reasons.
On a less than series note, I don't seem to be able to find a suitable underbarrel mounting solution. I would enjoy something that had a slide action like a m203 but was a double barreled shotgun instead of a noob tube.

>>33689464
Inserts are fucking gay with fuck all rifling /barrel to build velocity and are in no way regulated to the sights.

Having a bunch of steel weights that equate to carrying a pack of unsighted Derringers in your bag for shtf is equally gay

just swap uppers on your AR

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I have a combination gun. Go figure.

Just buy 2 guns

A shotgun is fine for anything within 75yards (maybe 100 yards if you are a real good shot). You can use slugs and those flight control buckshot wads for medium/large game at like 75 years, and you could use very light birdshot load for small game like bird or rabbit. So I would want the second cartridge to be something that can reach out to 200 to 300 yards effectively.

>>33690897
If they could handle ruger only rounds I'd buy one in a heart beat.

>>33687931
good for a survival rifle, not seeing the benefit over dedicated firearms in other areas, cheers

>>33691366
Why? It has fuck all for a barrel and shallow rifling. If you want to shoot hot .45 colt (blah blah lower pressure than .44 blah) get one of the actual .45 colt guns that are the same OAL with a longer barrel, load a few cases with shot as has been done for ages and get the cylinder cut for clips. You can do the same shit with a .454

>>33687931 (OP)
Probably price, you could buy any combo of 10 rifles and shotguns for what a drilling runs. 20 for the price of a vierling or funfling

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>>33689159
why would you attach a grenade to a famas?

>>33687931
Good question, I would actually kill for a .308/.223 and a 7.62x54 / 5.45 versions, but only if theyre minimalist or can be reduced to that easily