IFV armor

Hello ISIS

>>33684404
Hello infidel. The answer to OPs question is that when you submit yourself to Allah, all weapons can pierce the armies of Satan. A simple AK will blow it up, or you can cut open the belly of any metal beast with a sword. Allahu ackbar!

>>33684400
BMP-1/2.
All around 7.62 protection. Frontal 12.7mm protection.

Bradley.
All around 14.5mm protection. Frontal 30mm AP protection (30 mm sabot will go through).

RPG will perforate any IFV without ERA. ERA box may stop shaped charge. Tandem warhead RPG/ATGMs will penetrate anything.

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>>33684400

The CV90 has an all around protection against 14,5mm AP rounds. Frontal protection is enough to take 30mm rounds.

Beyond that there is additional armour available that is currently fitted to the Norweigian, Swiss, Danish and Dutch vehicles. A different protection kit is also fitted to the Swedish CV9040C variant.

>>33685349
>Bradley.
>All around 14.5mm protection. Frontal 30mm AP protection (30 mm sabot will go through).

Isnt that only for the newer variants? Or was that base?

>RPG will perforate any IFV without ERA.

Pbv 302s managed to take quite a few hits from RPGs back in Bosnia and Kosovo and get back to base with nothing more than a perforated fuel tank. It would still be fucked from some angles, but its still quite impressive for a vehicle designed in the 50s when everyone else ran around in BTR-50s and M113s

Speed is your armor

>>33685493
Wheeled IFV maffia plz go and stay go

>>33685349
>Tandem warhead RPG/ATGMs will penetrate anything.

There are ways to prevent this, standoff plates with era work very well, and us designed ERA this way.

>>33685349
>>33685447
Thanks.

It's for a game I'm making if anybody cared.

>>33687207
Oh, what game?

oi, /k/ we have a little disagreement over at /int/ care to enlighten us?

>>>/int/73771218

>>33684400
Bradley's will generally be safe against a lot of the older RPG types, especially single warhead rounds. Smaller tandem rounds can be defeated with newer ERA but not the larger heavier rockets. 14.5mm all around and 30mm to the front.

BMP-3 is mostly the same in terms of ERA protection if it is equipped, but the BMP-3 is half the weight of the Bradley and probably cannot hold up to anything much larger than .50cal possibly 14.5mm.

Here is the data from a wargame I'm playing (it's called Armored Brigade in case you're curious)
M113 = 35mm in Rolled Homogenous Armor Equivalent
M2A1/M3 = 55mm
BMP-1 = 35mm
BMP-2 = 45mm
Those are the values for the thickness of the turret's front, so the absolute maximum. Side hull thickness is typically half than that. The M113 has only 20mm on the sides, BMP-2 has 25mm (protip : that's not enough).

>>33685349
Any info on the M2's magic "spaced laminate armor"? Would seem to suggest they were going for protection against CE and not KE. If the m2's still get btfo by rpgs it seems like a shitty upgrade.

>>33688004
Savage Worlds. It's a tabletop RPG that is supposed to cover all genres like GURPS. They already have stats for guns and tanks from all eras, but I'm trying to fine tune and create stats more tailored to the game I want to run - which is about modern mercenaries.

>>33685493

Hello, MOWAG

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>You're ISIS fighter
>See this
what do?

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or this

>>33689958
>35mm in Rolled Homogenous Armor Equivalent
Sooooo WW2 era 20x138b will penetrate it?

Since we're talking about IFVs, I have a question about the Israeli Namer, if anyone can answer it. I've heard that the Namer and the Merkava that it's based on have a built-in 60mm mortar. How does that work? Is it strictly used for smoke rounds, or can it be used to fire HE projectiles too? How is it operated?

>>33693423
Ask him if he needs a tow.

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>>33693561

>>33693538
Namer no.

Merkava
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AS6KG2LoAMQ
Mortar is fixed in traverse and aimed by turning turret. Gunner lases target, announces range. Loader loads mortar, sets elevation and propellant charges according to range and fires.
Here you can see small hatch for the mortar barrel on the side of the MK 4 turret. 2:07
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZKuPBp1nj4


Earlier variants of mortar had no sliding barrel, to load loader was sticking out of hatch. First variant was simply strapped to the turret side.

>>33693829

Thanks for the info, I had no idea. I'm surprised that they wouldn't keep the mortar for the Namer, though- it seems like a pretty good weapon to have on an infantry carrier.

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>>33693829
Wow, thanks! I've been looking around for better pictures/footage of the mortar system.

>>33684400
There's a small number of IFV's that are vulnerable to 12.7mm(.50 caliber) fire, but quite a few are vulnerable to 14.5mm fire, and almost all of them are vulnerable to 20-30mm fire. Anything above 30mm is the definite kill zone(40mm bofors, for example).

Generally, you have IFV's with <40 mm of armor and those with ~200mm of armor and that's really it.

The <40's usually get up-armor packages for stopping 14.5 and for pre-detonating RPG's(cage armor).

The ~200's usually get the cage armor but not the additional cladding for obvious reasons.

Besides, an RPG-7 standard warhead can do some odd 300-400mm armor penetration, so in almost all cases you need cage armor to predetonate that warhead. ERA also works, but is generally not used on IFV's as much as on MBT's as IFV's are a lot more expendable and strapping some fencing to an IFV is a lot easier than installing ERA blocks.

Did this help?

DESU looking it up on wikipedia is pree easy

>>33694309
How fucking weeb is this site if it turns "T B H" into "Desu"? How far am I down the rabbit hole?

Are Waifuists going to start crawling out of the woodwork to scream at me?

I'm scared, /k/

>>33694319
fucking newfag

>>33694319
desu senpai im baka at the word filters

>>33694319
kys

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>>33694309
>Did this help?

Tremendously. Thanks.

>>33694319
You are two years behind faggot.