So how tactically sound of an idea was it to promote the All

Because it's a story for children.

because jedi are politicians

>>33677629
I'm sure it made shooting them to pieces a lot easier for the clones.

>>33677629
It's fucking stupid. Literally any sort of trained or experience officer would have done better. But then again the whole thing was a trap anyway so who knows.

None, it was a political move to get the general public to more easily accept a huge army of clones being used.
Well-known guardians of peace and justice leading the troops into battle against the evil Separatists.
Most of the tactical details were left to the clone commanders and such

It was a dumb idea.

They should have been made advisors to generals. Not generals themselves.

Windu himself said they were peacekeepers, not soldiers.

Considering that the Republic was basically demilitarized prior to the war, its likely that there was no one else to do it. There wasn't any military for regular citizens to rise up the ranks in and probably nothing like a West Point or Sandhurst to train new leaders.

The jedi were probably some of the only people who still studied war

>>33677629
They have a history of warfare where they led units of men and women under their command. Bear in mind that there has been volunteer armies before the clones were a thing in the old republic. Dooku himself gained leadership experience during the Mandolorian Wars. Also muh archives n shiet.

>>33677629
well they are all trained in infiltration and space aviation, i'm sure most of them know the in betweens, and can in many cases literally see the future.

but its totally fantasy

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>>33677629

If you watch the Clone Wars you'll see that a lot of them are basically just glorified infantry. Some of them do plan strategy but most of the time they are executing a plan that's been drawn up for them.

Aside from that you had millions and millions of clones in the army and very few experienced officers so some pretty extreme field promotions should be expected.

They are warrior-monks with a connection to the force so it's no completely retarded. I imagine there were plenty of actual generals from various planets or even experienced Mandalorian mercs who would have been better choices but then it was a trap anyway.

Not to mention it was probably a ploy by Darth Sidious to put the Jedi in as many dangerous situations as possible since he knew most were "lead from the front" types and would easily sacrifice themselves to save the tools under them.
Also, works from a pr perspective as well since his long term goal was the public ousting of the jedi.
Victory was aattributed to the tenacity and bravery of the troops, defeat was blamed on poor jedi leadership

>>33677704
>Dooku gained leadership during the Mando Wars
Off by a few thousand years. Dooku led an attack against a group of Mandalorians on Galidran, and subsequently got everyone but himself slaughtered.

>>33677629
The poorness of this idea is actually explored in the EU and in TCW, with troops commenting on how retarded a lot of the Jedi strategy was.

>>33677704
Revanand Malek led the Jedi during the Mandolorian Wars and that didn't turn out very well for the Republic
It seems like the Jedi are very well in small skirmishes and scuffles with gangs and miscreants but when it comes to actual war and military combat their force powers only go so far and only the most experienced Jedi are the ones that don't end up dead.
Hell, wasn't Aayla Secura disliked by her clones, leading to them pumping her body full of blasterfire when Order 66 came down?

>>33677868
Nah, Ayla was generally liked by the troops, but their loyalty to the Republic was stronger than their loyalty to her

>>33677730
this

it was all according to plan

>>33677868
What are you talking about? They crushed the mandalorians and saved the republic, it only went south after they got turned to the dark side after the war, not because they were bad military leaders.

>>33678047
They were great military leaders for the republic until they fell to the dark side and became great military leaders for the Sith
It seems that the Jedi best fit for the job of leading frontline troops in battle are the ones most likely to turn to the dark side or be manipulated by it in some form or another
Revan, Anakin, and maybe Krell (I don't know how great of a leader he was beyond he didn't care much for the lives of the clones) were all highly respected for stepping out of the Jedi way of "let's just not die" and instead acted like soldiers and leaders to win the war. They understood that sacrifices were to be made and they were willingly to let some die for the success of the overal mission.
And for the few Jedi that understood this concept they seemed like they all just kinda became evil and tried to destroy the republic
I remember one episode of TCW where today had the choice of killing Sideous but lettin Anakin die and he chose to save Anakins life.
The Jedi, while often great strategists, have a habit of drawing out what could be a swift victory for the purpose of still playing the role of peace keeper while the ones who do fight and win become evil
Its no wonder sideous was able to convince everyone they were the enemy.

>>33677650
/thread

I find it hard to believe that their warrior culture with highly reliance on studying wouldn't have at the minimum their equivalent of sun Tzu that they were all required to study.

Really anyone can be a tactician, it doesn't require years of study, look at platoon leaders for example... the Jedi naturally have traits that make great leaders: disciplined, courageous, lead from the front, empathetic, professional. They're expected to mentor others, that's leadership.

>>33677868
>Hell, wasn't Aayla Secura disliked by her clones, leading to them pumping her body full of blasterfire when Order 66 came down?
>>33678012
>Nah, Ayla was generally liked by the troops, but their loyalty to the Republic was stronger than their loyalty to her

You're both incorrect, the inhibitor chips and deep neural programming they had caused them to execute Order 66 regardless of their feelings or will.

>>33677629
that was the point, it was to distract them from finding out the emperor was the bad guy

>>33678278
Usually Generals rise through experience. Sure, some like Skywalker, Kenobi, and Windu were naturals, but then you have plenty of those who were terrible or even engaged in active sabotage like Pong Krell.

Book knowledge is useful, but you still need field time to learn that right, or expose weaknesses that would remove you or put you in a better position on the greater strategy.

>>33678583
I could have swore I read somewhere that Aayla was assigned with the clones that got the shitty assignments like Felucia so they came to resent her for leading them into those god awful assignments, hence why her death was a little more brutal than other Jedi
>>33678729
Don't forget that the Jedi have a long history of fucking things up for the entire galaxy whenever they get involved with anything beyond enforcing parking tickets, which is why so many people were quick to jump in the "Jedi are traitors" train at the end of the war

>>33677650

You're not wrong.

>>33678874
Well, leading a slave army in a slog of a war and having blatant traitors like Krell and Barriss Offee didn't help their image, either.

When you have Billions of disposable lab grown humans to use as cannon fodder, I guess the requirements for command are kind of diminished. Sounds like they had more problems getting enough officers rather than getting good generals.

Infantry are probably under utilized anyway. What good is a dude with a rifle who isn't able to aim worth shit and gets killed instantly by a pistol despite all their armor, when you have mile long ships that can be anywhere in the galaxy in minutes and glass entire planets?

>>33677650
FPBP

>>33679024
>What good is a dude with a rifle who isn't able to aim worth shit and gets killed instantly by a pistol despite all their armor, when you have mile long ships that can be anywhere in the galaxy in minutes and glass entire planets?
Because a glittering ball of glass isn't worth shit in resources. Why bomb an oil refinery when you can drop troops to capture it and use it yourself

>>33678202

I just wanted to point out that the only reason Revan fell to the dark side was because he got brain washed, he didn't get "corrupted".

>>33677629

Most of what these guys are talking about is only relevant for the Clone Wars. Jedi Knights and Masters could take on the of Generals, but usually these were highly experienced Jedi. Padawans could only be Commanders, and were sometimes outranked by certain clones.

In the Old Republic, you had to earn the title of Jedi General, by going through the relevant training process.

>>33677629
Obi Wan was the only one I recall as being a General.

Anakin and other Jedi were just in charge because they were Jedis and storm troopers were clones.

Honestly, George Lucas fucked everything up.

>>33677693
>Windu himself said they were peacekeepers, not soldiers.
It was a ploy by Palpatine to get the public on his side after order 66
and this >>33677730

>>33679219
A quick look at General Grievous backstory and why he hates the Jedi is a pretty good example of why the Jedi shouldn't have been involved in any military conflict. They think too much for the cries for help than anything else.

>>33679187
This guy has it right. Being a General meant command of an entire detachment, including at least one (usually more) Venator SD and everything it could hold. They can't just hand that shit out to every Tom, Dick, and Ani who makes it to Jedi Knight.

Remember, even after Geonosis there were still thousands of Jedi throughout the galaxy.

Also >>33678202 remember that until the very end Anakin was believed to be the Chosen One (i.e. would trump the second Sith)

>>33677629
It was actually a pretty bad idea. Jedi might be trained warriors but leading troops is a new thing.

[spoiler]of course, that was the point The entire clone wars was a play by Darth Sideous to break the Jedi. By making them officers,
the jedi were scattered about the Republic
Forces[/spoiler]

>>33679161
>Glittering
you fancy faggot get off /k/, glitter is shit.
>ball
I thought libcucks were supposed to be smart. Planets aren't spherical
>Glass
dirt doesn't turn to glass
>Worth
oh yeah, please let Obama tell me how much shit is worth, you socialist cuck
>resources
that you want to conservE? give me a fucking break, envirornmentalism is a sudo-science
>bomb
you think gravity works in space?
>oil refinery
Why the fuck would they use petrol in space? there is no oxygen
>drop troops
they'd die
>capture
This aint King of the Hill, numale
>yourself
What the fuck am I gonna use an oil refinery for? I don't need that much oil.

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>>33677629
>So how tactically sound of an idea was it to promote the All the Jedi to the rank of General?
Look at the battle of Geonosis

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fP7YJtjbZY

>>33679549
It definitely seemed like the Jedi would deploy with whoever they damn well felt like, but for the most part it seemed some of them had their favorites, namely Anakin with the 501st and Kenobi with the 212th.
>>33679553
From the looks of Jedi throughout the history of the republic they've tried to take frontline roles and it has one of three results
>Jedi used as shock troops and help what ever side they're on immensely
>Jedi say fuck it and take command and basically lead the war themselves
>The token Jedi sent to help dies and nothing changes except the Jedi Council decides they want nothing to do with it anymore

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>>33679707
You forgot the part where the Jedi that does go to war turn to the Darkside because war turns you into a raging sociopath.

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>>33677629

I'm pretty sure that the entire point of the clone army is that they would eventually kill their Jedi generals after years of luring them into a false sense of trust.

Clone Wars touches on it being a bad idea as some Jedi are super elitist over Clones and use them as disposable, ruining their benefit over droids in their capability to think.

>>33677718
Would you guys fuck Ashoka

>>33677686
>>33677629

This also palpatine probably made them generals to keep them distracted and far way from each other so he could do his shit

Also dumb that they are all acting like monks and holier then shit yet do not hesitate to kill living thigs

>>33679966
I always thought of her as a space black girl so yes

>>33677629
Politically it's an intelligent move. The Jedi were THE peace lovers of their galaxy so if shit is bad enough for them to lead some armies, then the galaxy is in trouble.

From another perspective, they are trained in personal combat, they are also trained in SERE and ongoing survival principles, and the idea of knowing how "the force" flows lets them almost see where major conflicts will take place due to the provenance of the force focusing there.

Also, fucking mandalorian wars. Old republic Jedi were hard as fuck.

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>>33679966

>66

It will be done my lord

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>>33679966
Sail from space port to space port and every time I dock I come a quarter

I bet she could do some fun stuff with those hair things

>>33679966
ORANGE BUTTCHEEKS

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>>33680057
>Old republic Jedi were hard as fuck.
Nigga what. The Jedi and The Jedi council was weak. The Revanchist were the ones that left to fight the war.

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This is why the Republic got people to be non clones/jedi to be Admirals

I feel like Clone generals would have been a better idea but they only were sent up to Captain/Commander

Its even worse if the jedi general has a padawan they are instantly made commanders of the battalion.


Also tell me /k/ was clone armor the best armor in star wars?

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>>33680281

>Its scout trooper armor
>but with actual camo

>>33680002
>Also dumb that they are all acting like monks and holier then shit yet do not hesitate to kill living thigs
Nowhere in the Jedi Order was pacifism preached when it comes to dealing with the Dark Side

>>33678874
No, unless they retconned it, the clones generally liked her.

In Battlefront the clone narrator specifically says they were all sad to kill her and generally tried to make it quick as possible.

>>33680281
First gen clone armor (Ep 2 era) was aesthetic as fuck

>>33680317
Well the clone narrator was 501st and they weren't use to that kind of shit
What I heard was Commander Bly and his men just kinda threw their burdens on her and took it out once order 66 came down

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>>33678874
>>33680317
>>33680317

Its also recently why they added in to the clones having chips implanted in their heads to make listening order 66 be extremely forced Jedi and their commanders were good friends but if they had chip when Order 66 was activated it was good soldiers following orders.

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>>33680363

All that did was make me more angry at the jedi

An ARC trooper finds out about order 66 and Shaak Ti the jedi he went to about it was all like

>You know this sounds like a major jedi problem
>lets go see palpatine

and you can guess what happened there

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>>33680281

Gunships are the best ships in star wars

Fight me

>>33679966
>xenos
>getting anything but extermination

>>33680391
The ARCs and Commandos were largely independent and they seemed to be the ones who broke Order 66 the most. Plus Fett wanted his ARCs to be largely independent and follow their own rules and he trained them himself so my guess is that they didn't have the chips installed and really were following orders like good soldiers.
And in Episode 2 the Kaminoan leader Orun Wa or whatever his name is said that the clones were bred to follow any command.

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>>33680391

He Palpatine had a discussion about it and saved the jedi order?

>>33680391
Wait Shaak Ti dies in TCW?
It's pretty funny how many death scenes she has

>killed in EP III deleted scenes by General Greivous
>killed by Anakin in Lego Starwars
>Killed by Galen Marek in Force Unleashed

>>33680391
What can you say, Palpatine owned the Jedi Council and the Senate hand-over-fist. The guy managed to perpetrate a legitimate cultural extinction of the Jedi ACROSS THE GALAXY in 20 years or less, to the point that in the time of Luke people don't even believe the Jedi were real.
Remember that part of the endgame of the Clone Wars was the ostracization of the Jedi order, it's part of the reason Anakin killed all those Padawan. Make them look like religious psychopaths obsessed with war and all that.

Basically it's totally in character for Palpatine to have manipulated everyone like that

>>33680421
The only thing that gets me is the sponson pods, and it's incredibly minor.

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>>33680424

Whoa slow down there Warhammer 40k Star Wars has a few xenos worth getting into

>>33679817
That's basically option 2. Revan's fleet was mostly made up of former republic crews that followed him in the madalorian wars.

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>>33680421
The gunship levels in the Clone Wars game on the old Xbox always made my penis hard...
>>33680483
...And so did Force Unleashed Shaak Ti

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>>33680507

Lets just do the Kyle Katarn way of being a jedi

That is fuck you I wanna use force lightning but not look nasty and evil like so ill use it and not be a dick when using it.

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>>33680525
>>33680483

Shaak Ti in TCW(CGI) series gets killed by anakin during order 66

Pretty sure this is her real REAL death this time. She was also raped by Greivous in Genddy Wars since he just left her like this

>>33680483
Shaak Ti's canon death was to Anakin as Darth Vader, hinted at in The Clone Wars series through a vision Yoda has

>>33680569
>>33680579
>>33680483

How and why does a minor background jedi get this much lore fuckery

>>33680587

Fan favorite

>>33680496
Getting your dick wet is secondary to humanity's lebensraum

>>33680587
The guy that gets his arm cut off by Obi Wan in Episode IV has a ton of backstory
Shit, the white bitch with the bright red Mohawk who was only ever seen for 5 seconds watching the pod race has even more back story

Wait a minute, something in the prequels was a dumb idea caused by terrible writing?

NO WAI!

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Step aside clone fags

Real soldiers coming in

Everything prior to ANH (and I guess Rogue One because that was pretty good) in the star wars history may as well not exist to me. It's all pure childish garbage.

>>33680587
Old EU was a wonderful place my dude
While I can appreciate that Abrams could have never worked around its constraints to make the new Trilogy, it's a damn shame so much was thrown out so loosely.
Kind of made up for how they're more strategically developing EU content for the main timeline as it progresses though.

>>33677793
>>33678012
youre both wrong they had inhibitor chips that made them carry it out and they pumped aayla to make sure she died quickly to not suffer

>>33677868
Battlefront 2 has a whole mission prologue of a 501st trooper jerking off Secure, saying she's the only reason they got off Felucia.

He'll, I think the last line was that she went to see the 501st off personally and none of the troopers could bare to look her in the eye because they knew what was coming.

>>33680677
It's really not. The Prequels had a lot of missteps, but The Clone Wars with some supplementary material of questionable canon status is really strong in developing the pre-Empire world

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>>33680663

I had no idea /k/ liked the Clone Wars era this much

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>>33680708

Well you know the movie might not be the best but Clone Wars had the best video games,comics, books and cartoons

>>33680201
The team faction is the one I was talking about. They were Jedi up until Malachor V

>>33680708

Other than Fallout: NV, Clone Wars is the one thing that /k/ fully nerds out over.

Protip: Born in 85. I predate Star wars you God damn infants. The only real star war was 1977-1983. And even we question ewoks. No CGI.

>>33680768
And Rhodesia, ever since /pol/ abandoned the rhodie fandom.

>>33680708
Well it had soldiers doing soldier stuff like shooting at other armies and calling in air strikes while tanks blew the fuck out of entrenched positions.
Honestly a whole movie about the battle of Geonosis would be pretty fucking badass.

>>33680799
I think just a movie about the 501st would be even better

>>33680819

Well technically the show follows the 501st alot so there is that

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>>33680781

And oh yeah, Halo. Never forget Halo: CE. At least, they used to be popular.

>>33677629

The thing that always bugged me most about Star Wars is that orbital bombardment is way underutilized. There really shouldn't be so much need for ground troops. If you're trying to conquer a planet, the logical thing is just to put a fleet in orbit. Contact the local leadership, whoever they are. Tell them that they get to stay in charge, conditionally. Give them a list of demands with a reasonable deadline for compliance. At that point, the problem basically solves itself.

>>33680819
Actually a Republic Commando movie would be fucking spectacular.
especially if is not based on the Karen Traviss version of the Commandos.
I'm talking quick knifing a fucking Trandoshan while pumping battle droids full of blaster and stopping to wipe the blood off of your visor.

>>33680774
Everyone agrees that the prequels are shit and shouldn't be talked about, but some of the extended universe stuff was pretty cool.

>>33680895
>extended universe
FORCE.
SENSITIVE.
DROID.

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>>33680855
Never forget pre-343 Halo in general.

>>33680907
Notice how I said some, and not all.
But you're right, a droid being force sensitive is dumb.

The Old Republic > Original Trilogy + Rouge One>current opinion on Sequel trilogy so far > Prequels

>>33680855
Part of the problem is you'd have planetary defenses that would protect against that kind of thing, such as the shield generator on Hoth. Ground forces were required in at least a large enough force to render these devices inactive.

>>33680363
hey I made that pic, always warms my heart to see it posted

>>33680895
I'm a fucking idiot anyways. I said I predated Star Wars and it came out 6-7 years before me. I watched on VHS tho.

>>33680925
>The Old Republic > Original Trilogy + Rouge One>current opinion on Sequel trilogy so far >human feces>>>>>>POWER GAP>>>>>>>Teras Kasi>>>>>>>>>>>>BIGGER POWER GAP>>>>>>>>>>>>>Prequel Trilogy.
ftfy

>>33680907

There was some cool stuff in the EU. Unfortunately, there was also a lot of stupid stuff. Disney probably made the correct decision in wiping it out and bringing back popular parts of it as desired. The only problem is that they immediately screwed it up by introducing a new death star in EP7, which was basically the number 1 complaint about the EU, that there were far too many death stars or equivalent weapon systems. The super weapon in the force awakens manages to dwarf the entire EU in terms sheer overpoweredness. (except the sun crusher)

>>33677629
I would assume that some must have study battle from the old republic era in their studies to become masters/knights. Especially when you consider that they a library

>>33680483
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdWIOiOHXNs

>>33680958
Considering how they were put in charge of a war effort, they probably had the good sense to consult that big ass library and learn how to wage war.

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>>33679966
yes

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>>33677629
They are the best because they've been training since younglinghood to block lasers with their laser swords

>>33681114
They actually train to use the force and see where attacks are gonna come from in advance more often then just plain old sparring.
They might have been in a lot of trouble if anybody could figure out a way to seal off a jedi's foresight.

>>33677629
because Star Wars is mediocre as fuck.

>>33677629
>thousand year old traditionalist republic promotes traditional knights to traditional rank in time of war
>film at 11
No but really it makes sense.

>shit that makes sense
Old (olde, pre prequel) EU where the Jedi gradually waned during the long peace before the Clone Wars. A small vestigial order was severely taxed and the survivors hunted down personally by Vader during the interbellum.
>shit that was fucking stupid
Storming the temple. Suddenly dead nearly to a man.

>>33681188
>Republic with no real standing army available promotes clandestine monks who're mostly known for kidnapping children to leadership of the war effort to distract the public while the senate makes an actual army that eventually murders retarded monks.

>>33680538

In the Old Republic Katarn would never have been allowed to become a Jedi. He came into his powers in his 30s and it was only because the new Jedi under Luke were so desperate for force users they basically took everyone.

Had he been born a century before he would have either been inducted in childhood or else put down as a rogue force user.

>Man I miss those games.

>>33680855
Lore excuse is planetary shields...but other wise Star Wars is early WWII in SPAAaaaaaaace...

>>33681280
Katarn would have just been a Gray Jedi or probably labeled a Sith in Old Republic

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>>33679701

>>33681248
The Storming of the Temple really only killed off the Jedi that weren't combat capable, the Padawans, and anyone dumb enough to enter the killbox after Order 66

And Vader still carried out the Purge for years in between Episode III and IV

>>33679966
anything but "yes" is the incorrect answer

>>33681545
>Katarn would have just been a Gray Jedi or probably labeled a Sith in Old Republic
He would be labeled as a Dark Jedi

>>33681147
No, Jedi are trained in martial artistry, mostly Lightsaber-centric but several are shown with hand-to-hand and marksmanship skills.

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>>33677629
>galactic armies not loyal to the God Emperor
>Xenos as generals and in positions of power
>Xenos living among humans

Such Heresy

>>33681545

Katarn is not exactly a grey jedi he still follows the orders teachings its just he likes to dabble in using dark side powers

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>>33681725

Fuck off holy shit I like both settings but fuck you

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>>33679966

I mean obviously, yes.

>>33681776
His point was that Katarn would never have received Order training in the Old Republic system. His natural affinity for the Force developed too late, and his tendency to use Dark Side powers would have him ousted as a heretic.

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>>33681725
40k fags are truly cancer

>>33681860

I dont think Katarn gave a shit as long as he got his Space Asian waifu he didnt care

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>>33681397
His so much is why I always loved star wars!
Why is it early world war two though

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Battle droids are dumb.

>>33682249
Dr. Manhattan kills droids?

>>33682230
>send in the space injuns
>they got mown down en masse
It's just like real life

>>33677650
>me big mature man, no fun allowed

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>>33682249
>>33682230
>implying clones are any better.

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>>33680734
Dat microsoft sidewinder doh

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>>33681821
Fun fact about the lore of these intergalactic succubi. They are commonly sold as sex slaves after there species were almost wiped out in a war.

>>33677711
Nice dubs, but that's not how that sort of shit works. Training takes up time that could be used for other training.

>>33677629
Would work great for anyone with battle meditation.

Everyone else is a hippy with a laser sword.

Krayt/Thrawn 2020.

>>33679024

The armor is not meant for rifle or pistol blast protection. It was made for environmental protection, as well as chemical protection too. Also when you glass an entire area, it's hard to get information from people.

Also the troopers are always talked about for their superior marksmanship skills. The only reason why they suck when it comes time to shooting some one, is cause it's a movie, that movie would be cut very short if every one got shot and killed within minutes.

>>33680281
I'm tied between Galactic Marine and ARC Trooper.

>>33680864
That's why visors are self cleaning

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>>33682762

This.

>>33677629
The Republic is a theocracy, not a meritocracy, it does not matter if they are competent, it only matters that they are loyal to the "good" side.

The purpose of putting Jedi into command positions is not to make the units function better, it is to make sure the units follow the party line. Think of the Jedi "Generals" as Soviet Commissars or Iranian Revolutionary Guard officers who take over regular Iranian Army formations.

>>33682939
>The Republic is a theocracy
U wot?

The Jedi specifically have no real political power. They are servants of the Republic. They are sent as ambassadors and mediators because they have no personal stake in interplanetary conflicts. The Senate is where the power lied.

>>33682989
The Senate was a figurehead at best.

The Jedi:
>Had an Army. Senate had no standing army.
>Had police powers. No Federal police are shown.
>Conducted trade negotiations.
>Conducted peace negotiations.
>Had a massive budget (see the size of their temple on a city planet).

Its clear that the real power lay with the Jedi.

>>33680683
gay CG retcon

>>33677703
>likely that there was no one else to do it.
the republic did have some admirals, like Tarkin and Wullf Yularen, but I have no idea where they came from.

But bringing in Jedi as generals was a bad idea, it basically wrecked the Jedi order that was already weak.

>>33683026
The republic had no army. Individual worlds had and maintained military forces.

The Jedi were respected mediators and negotiators and were often called in to arbitrate between two factions because they were considered politically neutral and uncorruptible.

The Jedi temple on Corrusiant was about 1200 meters square. Huge, for a building, but tiny compared to the senate or the landing facilitates we see in EP 2 and 3. Jedi were wealthy, but so are a lot of religions.

>>33680855
>orbital bombardment is way underutilized
I agree. I think the capital ships are all way underutilized. I don't think the Mon Cal ones even fire any lasers in the original trilogy.
At least Rebels gave us this recently:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARR0RPrr_rg

>>33677703
This.
Who else if not the Jedi? The republic really doesn't have anything else to use in directing clones and "humanising" them.

Also it was just a ploy to be able to paint them as warmongering, out-of-touch cunts, anyway.

>>33680855
mah nigga even the terminology the used for orbital bombardment was awesome
"Base Delta Zero" is way better than exterminatus

>>33683026
They're a semi-political organization that operates under the auspices of the Galactic Republic as private security contractors. Your argument works better for the Trade Federation, seeing as they were able to blockade and invade a planet with their own personal military while the Republic could not muster any military force to counter them. The Republic itself was a confederacy, not a federal state.

>>33682340
Adults have more mature ways of having fun. Like shooting, fucking, drinking, winning in business.... Watching cartoons is not on the list.
You people in the west have became so childish... Not all of you, but many.

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>>33681074
Hello blue chick. Foursome with these three please

>>33680281
>tfw no camo armor Jedi that uses guns and Force misdirection to sow chaos

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>>33683159
Is this bait? I'm honestly confused here.

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>>33677650
>Because it's a story for children.
>Good guys are using slave children soldiers
For African children, I see.

>>33683159

(You)

>>33683159
>people in the west
Top kek.

>>33683502
delicious unrendered footage

>>33683489

I'd love for them to introduce a concept like this.

Somewhat related but I hope they bring back that one jedi who distrusted clones and ran with his own militia of human troops (Rahm Kota? I think). Can't get Order 66'd if there're no Clones.

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Why didn't the republic clone a jedi so that their troops would all have the force?

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>>33677650
this
>>33677629
and its symbolic as they were obviously not the stragegists but tacticians at best and serve more as a moral boost just that the guy is night invincible to conventional small arms fire or can take out a tank and shit no?
I mean what would you prefer? A space wizzard commanding you or a regular officer?

>>33677629
The force also manifests itself as incredible reflexes and impossible luck

>>33680677
Rogue One retconned Kyle Katarns single handed infiltration and theft of the Death Star plans.

At least we had a blind guy with a stick chanting like a HWNDU kid and some woman who could have been removed and it make no difference to the story

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>>33681796
>>33681865

>>33683758

Why is that Stormtrooper on the left smiling at the rebel terrorist graffiti? And also, why is he so short?

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>>33680939
I watched them on VHS and I remember the phantom menace coming out. Not that much of a claim to fame dude. Though TPM was pretty damn bad. AotC had some great fights and awesome battles, the ending was gay as hell. RotS was pretty bad too.

I didn't like rogue one at all, for this reason >>33683775 and it felt produced in a way that had this kind of teen "thriller" aura to it. Similar to those shitty Maze Runner or Divergant movies. Not sure what it is about them but they just have this angst and teen girl feel.

Rogue One was only good for the AT-AT porn.

Episode 7 felt again like rogue One. The stupid little attempts at humour that came off badly with the black dude in the mercenary ship fight. It's was ANH but worse in every way.

Just finished playing through Jedi Academy and looking for my old Jedi Outcast copy.

Empire Strikes Back is still the best.

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>>33683806
>why is he so short?

>>33677629
Weren't they pretty much the army of the republic before the republic had an army?

>>33683873
Nah. Before the GAR the Republic basically fobbed off security issues to any of the member planets' armed or security forces.

>>33682615

That was an amazing stick in its day

>>33677629
How else was siddeous supposed to get all the Jedi separated from each other and surrounded by masses of troops that were ultimately loyal to him?

It was a genius move really.

>>33677629

because even the most inexperienced of jedi have some capability to sort of "feel" out the battle and even see the future. this gives them a big edge against even the most experienced general.

>>33677692
>Well-known guardians of peace and justice
The jedi were disliked at best by the general public.

>>33682230
Clones would have had considerably lower casualties if they just fucking lay down every now and then.

>>33683752
I'm sure the Jedi had some reason why they couldn't be cloned.
If I had to guess they probably wouldn't allow it because you're not going to trust an army filled with warrior monks with laser swords
A single clone defector was able to do a fair amount of damage, just imagine if Slick from TCW or any of the other clone turncoats had been trained to use the force too.

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>>33683982
Just charge at the enemy. It'll be fine.

>>33683159

>Shooting
>Non-West

Implying that's legal where you are.

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>>33683159
>winning in business

What do you nerds think about the rumour that the old bearded commando in ROTJ is the clone Rex? I personally think it's pretty neato.

>>33679966
>Would you fuck a sexy alien loli

Gee I don't know, let me think about it

>>33684083

I hope it comes true. It would be a nice fitting end to his character's portrayal. Fighting at the formation of the GAR and fighting to destroy it at the end.

>>33679966
I bet she could take a dick, or three

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>>33677650
fpbp

>>33678202
Originally, before TOR happened, the general consensus was that Revan fell out of necessity in order to strengthen the Republic to prepare them for the threat from the Unknown Regions.

>>33684158
>TOR
Don't even mention that game anon. They Butchered the Story of Revan and The Jedi Exile.

>>33677629
Well to start of it's fiction owned by disney for children. Second of all they are commanding clones, not like their life has much value. They are probably worth less to the Republic than soldiers were to Stalin.

>>33677703
Naboo has security forces and the Gungans have an army. Other planets would have small armies to keep the peace and prevent any sort of uprising. You would also need people to deal with smugglers and space pirates.

The first 2/3s of Ep 1 is getting padme back to coruscant to get help in dealing with the trade federation invasion. I guessing that the republic would be able to put together a task force capable of forcing the trade federation of the planet if needed.

The problem in Ep 2 seems to be that there is no unified force in the republic under command of the senate rather then the individual planets in question.

Making the Jedi Generals doesn't actually add anything to the movies. Lucas could of just as easily referred to them as special advisers and it wouldn't change anything.

>>33679966
If her "parts" are normal I guess

>>33677629
Clones are not considered people.

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>>33684241
It's probably normal.

>>33679966
>66
Sorry, gotta shoot her.

>>33683036
>Durr skippy da jedi droid!

>>33684249
In one of the Republic Commando novels they say that some plants have more laws to protect them than the Clones do
Which raises the question of why did the Senate allow a bunch of pacifist monks lead an army no one knew about that was cloned from one of the deadliest bounty hunters the galaxy's has ever known

>>33684654
A ruling body paralyzed by bureaucratic conflict is suddenly faced with war they aren't ready for, and suddenly they have everything they need. As long as they didn't personally make the motions to grant emergency powers, they were just doing what was best for the Republic, right?

>>33683145
>that poor fucker who gets picked up and carried away
Being a clone sucks.

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>>33679966
Yes

>>33684808
I wouldn't say it was suddenly faced. The CIS had been growing for some time and it was only until right at Episode 2 that the Republic realized that "hey, maybe we can't talk to them". It was more that two armies no one knew existed suddenly fought in this huge battlers the middle of nowhere and the Senate acted like it knew what it was doing to save face.

>>33679966
yes?!?

What kind of question is that?

>>33679966
I would destroy her small, orange puss.

>>33683159
>You people in the west

Is having no human rights also your idea of fun?
kek

>>33684840
post full pic

>>33684852
Yeah, but it was with the revelation of the arms ramp-up on Geonosis that there was that sudden "oh fuck" realization that the CIS was ready for war and the Republic wasn't.

>>33677693
>They should have been made advisors to generals.
This. Precog would be incredible tool in capable hands.

>>33685039
Seconded. Aside from some Jedi like Windu, making them full-blown generals was likely not a good move.

>>33685039
There's actually a long history of Jedi leading soldiers because they don't just have that pre-cog, they also have the ability to make troops more composed, confident, and effective with their presence.

Look what Yoda accomplishes with just three clone troopers in the first episode of TCW, one of them wounded, at that.

>>33685015
http://m.imgur.com/Ah9gfYV

>>33683159
You're on 4chan you dumb fucking hypocrite

>>33679966
I would totally kirk her

>>33677703

If memory serves, the Republic doesn't maintain an army during times of peace, since it relies on individual member systems to enforce order and maintain planetary security. However, they do still make use of a professional navy (they probably just mothball most of it during peacetime and buy out the contracts on the crews). That's pretty much the entire purpose of the planet Anaxes- providing a trained, competent officer corps for the Republic (then Imperial) Navy.

As for any army they might have built up without the clones, I don't know how they'd go about it. Would they require every world to donate some units? would they provide standardized training and equipment? Would they just randomly conscript people, or would it be an all-volunteer force? I'm not really sure.

>>33685066
>There's actually a long history of Jedi leading soldiers because they don't just have that pre-cog, they also have the ability to make troops more composed, confident, and effective with their presence.
soo... Commissars?

>General, i feel disturbance in the force in front of us
>CC-2224 to navy command. Requesting orbital strike 1 klick north of our position

30min later

>well, i don't feel any disturbance anymore, general

>>33684024
Yeah but imagine this,

>get hundreds of guys who are willing to die for literally nothing.

>Make them charge at you with guns constantly until you go down

If their main enemies weren't droids or Jedi the clone army would be a horrifying force to deal with.

I would have gladly executed order 66. It's how the chain of command works and TRAITORS OF THE REPUBLIC NEED TO DIE.

>>33685185
>As for any army they might have built up without the clones, I don't know how they'd go about it. Would they require every world to donate some units? would they provide standardized training and equipment? Would they just randomly conscript people, or would it be an all-volunteer force? I'm not really sure.
It'd be the Austro-Hungarian army all over again.

>>33685412
Wew lad

Coruscant, being an overcrowded eucumenopolis,could probably have provided millions of recruits for a volunteer-based army.
The various paramilitary and military organizations across the galaxy could provide an NCO and CO cadre, either on voluntary or mercenary base.
Even without this, it would have taken only a few years of conflict for such cadre to emerge.

The only real advantage of clones was loyalty to the senate.
Volunteers drawn from the various species, planets and cultures that made up the Republic could have shifting loyalties while clones trained from birth for war would have no political background.

>>33685509
Keep in mind too that the Clone Army also meant little to no hardship on the core worlds beyond public utilities funds being diverted into the war effort, which let Palpatine drag out the conflict to burn the Banking Clans and nationalize the banks, severely weaken the business powers that were playing both sides while he built up a new full-time military. Did you miss how Republic military facilities and officer staffing were subtly shifting towards the Imperial aesthetic throughout the series?

It's easier to maintain an Imperial Peace standing army than a conscript force for a war right now.

>>33680682
The only good thing about the old EU was Treuten & Kosh Teradoc

Anyone here play swcombine?

>>33685080
I came to this desu senpai

>>33677629

I love how all the clones are like "wtf, is this bitch serious?"

>>33685567
Good point, too.
Clones have no families so the only political drawback is indeed public spending.

Also, no, I didn't notice the aesthetic change.
Thanks for the tip.

Just finished the newer clone wars.

WHY DID NO CLONE TROOPER GET BEHIND COVER?

Seems like only REX gets behind cover and fires and he the one who keeps on living.

Also, even Anakin admits Jedi make bad leaders in battle because they can't do whatever was necessary

>>33683821
>not loving Vader's one man army kill streak at the end of Rogue One
kys

>>33686292
It was complete fan service.
However, Vader in the comics is also brutal as fuck, so it wasn't out if character

>>33679966
Execute Executive Order 69.

>>33686251
Clone Troopers are murderhobos, remember from the Kamino training arc that they're taught to rapidly advance and mow down everything. Taking cover means slowing down, which is antithetical to a war effort being pursued against armies that are literally building more troops.

Besides, your average droid is pants on head retarded

The problem with Jedi is that a lot of them are immigrants, so

>>33686127
It's especially notable in the Season 4 or 5 episode where Anakin works with Moff Tarkin and a detachment of Clones to infiltrate a Separatist fortress. The Clone Wars guys really loved their jobs

>>33686625

I heard somewhere that the prison they break tarkin out of in that episode is the prison they go to find Luminara in Rebels season 1.

bretty cool if true

>>33677629
it was a great idea

either they lose the war and get ignored post conflict or they get killed and they're out of your hair

>>33683026
>>Had an Army. Senate had no standing army.
The Senate owned the Army you stupid gook, the Jedi were promoted to the roles of Generals and Battalion Commanders because Palpatine wanted them to die on the battlefield and be blamed for the engineered failure of the war effort.
>>Had police powers. No Federal police are shown.
The Senate does have its own peacekeeping and civil protection agencies shown on Coruscant, but beyond that civil protection is left up to the local authorities on individual planets. No one organization is going to police a population of TRILLIONS. The Jedi had general authority because of their position as military leadership, and some respected work as nonpartisan peacekeepers in the pre-war period
>>Conducted trade negotiations.
On behalf of the Senate with Senate authority because travel of Senators during the war was deemed risky
>>Conducted peace negotiations.
See above
>>Had a massive budget (see the size of their temple on a city planet).
And? The majority of that was probably through huge political donations from Senate members and NGOs tracing as far back as the Old Republic period

>>33686656
Never paid much attention to Rebels, it feels like Clone Wars got pretty thoroughly cucked by budget cuts and censorship

>>33686735
TCW actually kept improving as time went on.

Rebels hasn't hesitated to avoid pulling punches as time went on, either.

>>33686974
The episode when Grievous slaughters the Nightsisters was honestly one of my favorite episodes of any show

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>>33687415
>Tfw Genndy's General Grievous is no longer canon

>>33683963
Not at first, but as the war dragged on, people started to question their ability to lead, both from within and without Republic Army.

This was going to be a plot point in the CW series, if it had gone on.

>>33687475
TCW Grievous wasn't terrible, I liked him more than Episode 3 Grievous. But the original that killed Jedi Master Shaggy in the in his first appearance was the best.

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Can the force be used for masturbation? Could a young Padawan theoretically jerk off to his masters sweet booty without using his hands, thus keeping her from knowing what he's doing? Or could your master secretly jerk you off in public with the force to teach you to keep a straight face, sweet /ss/ action without even touching you...
>tfw you will never be Shaak Ti's padawan

>>33687585
Or could you jerk off with the Force and force levitate the cum into her pussy?

>>33687585
I know that feel. the original clone wars mini series from like 04 had such a hot Shaak Ti. I'd fill her with midichlorians

>>33687727
Gotta give it to Genndy, he knows how to make a good waifu

>>33683094
I'm glad the decided to keep Admiral Thrawn. That and the fact that while it's not the same story at least his character is true to the source material, and he's shown as a legit threat and not the Saturday morning cartoon villain that General Grievous became.

>>33683094
For a split second I thought the VA might have been Keith Szarabajka and I was really pumped.

>>33682351
God I loved that story arc, It's really when the series tone took a turn for me and went from just entertaining to actually good.

>>33680684
I don't remember where I got this I do, if anyone has a source to prove it, I would be greatful, but I remember the troops under her command were shooting here even after she was down to make sure she suffered as little as possible, not because they disliked her.

>>33686292
>kys
oh fuck off.

I didn't say i didn't like that. That was a fantastic part of the movie. Sadly however the only fantastic part.

Only part i really thought was great.

>>33685367
The problem is that canon keeps trying to push them as these uber warriors, when a lot of times they are more retarded than any OT stormtrooper.

>>33684024
when you realize that whole scene was just Ewan McGregor flailing about all alone.

>>33680909
Those days will be remembered