HMG STG

>>33673529
>AKfiles
That should tell you all you need to know

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>>33673529
when I have one in my hands and get to shoot it then I will have an opinion on it till then everything else is internet BS

>>33673538
Makes sense, since the AK is just a direct copy of it

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>>33673538
They should just come here and discuss it with us, I'm sure this is their sort of place!

I've never understood the hype around the original aside from the historical importance of it. I don't like the looks or the round and it wasn't like it was an amazingly good rifle either. I know wheraboos salivate over them.

I wouldn't bother buying a modern 'repo'. If I wanted an old fashioned 'salt rifle I'd just spend the money on a nice AK instead, or a VZ58 or something like that.

Looks like shit,is shit, from a. shit company

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>>33673529
When I see this thing, I somehow have to think of IKEA, is it the stock and the handle scales?

90% of the STG44 DoWantFactor revolves around having an orginal. This almost looks like a softair gun.

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>>33673529
I ordered one December 2015. I cancelled and got a refund December 2016. Fuck those lying fucks. I was supposed to have the gun June or July 2016. They still haven't shipped a gun.
Using my stg44 chest rig for ak74 mags. Still need to sell my 8mm kurz I bought

scam

>>33673671
AKfiles shitposts more than /k/

>>33673754

we should migrate to Akfiles too as well as here.

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>>33673713
Have you seen the InRange videos on why it take so long to recreate a gun without any original documentation or idea of the manufacturing process used? Or are you that much of an impatient bitch?

>>33674011
I was unaware that any real world models existed.

I don't see the hype around StGs period.

The problem is that in the modern world, they're just assault rifles that aren't particularly accurate or sturdy, (which is why HMG had to reengineer so much) it just isn't that exciting or unique of a gun.

I still think a revisit of the FG-42 would be sick. Make a more modern, cheaper version of that. Also as one anon imagined in a gun ideas thread, a Mini-42 in 5.56 would be cool as fuck

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>>33674026
The never even got their hands on a real fully-functional one, only parts of one. Again, watch the fucking video.

>>33673713
holy shit you bought 8mm kurz?

what a fucking retard, they are coming in common calibers.

>>33674026
>>33674110
you two didnt watch all the videos did you? lmfao

>>33674110
>hey we're potentially making millions off this
>should we ask a museum for a copy of the thing we're trying to recreate to make a faithful copy?
>... nah

>>33674011
I get that it's difficult
That's why I gave someone else money to do it for me.
They didn't give me what I paid for and missed 3 deadlines to do so. My cancelling wasn't inpatience. It's accountability
>>33674110
They could absolutely gotten a working firearm. There have absolutely been measurements and documentation of those firearms since the 40s...come on man

>>33673639

>>33674034
>The problem is that in the modern world,
Forgive me for being that asshole, but there's still something about ancient tech that was groundbreaking or leagues ahead of its time. Crossbows still give me wood because even when firing a brand new one, I think of all the butthurt nobles that hated the thought of any random asshole serf being able to put them down even in armor with one shot and barely any training.

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>>33674123
I didn't get the point if it's not as original as possible but that's me.

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>>33674156
you deserve to suffer.

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>>33674235
Bought the pps43 and have a tantal with the money. I have 0 regrets cancelling

>>33673713

7.62x39 is not original but ammo is 20 cents a round shipped vs 87 cents a round.

mag curvature is identical to kurz as well.

>>33674336
I debated that and 300 memeout.

>>33673709
Ironically airsoft guns and the GSG STG in .22lr look closer to the real things than the HMG STG. I understand the reasons with having to comply with the standards the ATF sets and how the ATF interprets the laws on the books, but that doesn't make it look good, regardless of the excuse. If they couldn't have made it look close enough to the real thing, and it discourages enough buyers, they shouldn't have made it at all. Although I guess it's one more gun on the market for those who can ignore the glaring aesthetic issues and major differences functionally as well.

Unfaithful reproduction.

If they were going to bother stamping an obsolete gun in a dead caliber. Then they should have been perfectly faithful.

>>33674011
If it's so fucking hard, which I don't doubt, then maybe the people doing it should have held back on the deadlines they were obviously arbitrarily setting for themselves. They're doing this because they know it generates hype, but they're ironically fucking over the people actually buying their product They also know that the majority of their customers won't cancel their orders over each little deadline they miss, so they let them add up, little by little, until they get to the point where they've generated the maximum amount of free advertisement from the gun industry as they can. Moral of the story, say it's going to happen, don't give a date, don't take preorders, and if you're going to say something, prove it with something physical, not just empty words. Though it still is the stupid little fucking idiot's faults for preordering, ever.

>>33677154
>that doesn't make it look good
>they couldn't have made it look close enough to the real thing
>glaring aesthetic issue

it's two fucking rivet markings and a stamping pattern, autismus maximus

>>33674317
>That ugly PPS43
>Wal Mart tier AR-15

Tell me that's not a century VZ58

>>33677210
Enjoy paying some fucking $4500USD for a 'copy' that still uses modern materials, just like the FG42.

>>33673529
>AKFiles

I'm still waiting to be fucking activated 3 months later

Do the mods do anything other than shitpost?

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looks like crap, nothing like the original

and the plastic mags look like crap

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what exactly is the point of the HMG if it doesn't look like the original?

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>>33673639
REEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>33677664
>125x89

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>>33677681
to make money

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>>33677375
Not really no. The entire place is pretty circlejerk-y. Not near as bad as Arfcom but still.

>>33674317
Nice PPS43 and map case, I need to find a semi FCG to build mine.

>>33677246
You do know you they have a pre-order setup where you don't pay till it ships? It might take a little longer but your not in the black waiting on a rifle and your still going to get yours before the general public.

>>33677764
remove the flaws of the original while maintaining the a e s t h e t i c.

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>>33673667
General Septum? How've you been? I haven't seen you since my assistant dropped you out of my plane and shot you.

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>>33677745
>modern
Couldn't they choose a better looking buttstock?

>>33673677
This, I don't like the round, but I'd be lying if I said I wouldn't really want a vz58.

>>33677818
And you do know I was talking about the people that already paid them?

Saving my poorbux to buy one. I want the hype to be real. I'm so psyched that I'm going to buy the .22lr one because I want a dumb StG so fucking bad.

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>>33674141
>>33674287
>>33677685
>>33677779
not that guy but.. do people really think that Hugo didn't contributed at all to the AK? Kalashinikov always saying he did not only to his last years to admit he kinda helped.. that ought to send signals..

>>33678612
Good thing there is a difference between 'influenced by' and 'direct copy'


Bad attempt on moving those goal posts.

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>>33678621
>Good thing there is a difference between 'influenced by' and 'direct copy'
exactly, good thing that settles then.

>>33678833
>Naiziboo thinks being influenced by is the same as directly copying something

:thinking:

>>33677681
>That one part has 3 lines on it instead of 5!
>BAWWWWWW FUCKING RUINED

>>33678886
>magazine catch on wrong side
>even for 7.92x33 version
I'd tolerate it on the 5.56 version, but it's just them being lazy and taking shortcuts while pandering to market compatibility affecting the actual 8mm model.

>>33678612
>>33678612
Do you know exactly when Schmeisser went to Russia and when Kalashnikov finished versions of his prototype models? There isn't a source in existence that will tell you Hugo Schmeisser was anywhere near Kalashnikov at the time Kalashnikov came up with his own prototypes. In fact, Schmeisser only got to Izhevsk on October 24, 1946 while Kalashnikov was over 1000 kilometers away in Kovrov and had his AK-46 design approved for prototype manufacture in November. Even though the AK-46 failed trials, troop feedback during the trials was enough input to come to the logical conclusion of what the AK type 1 came to be, which was recommended for production in November 1947 and went through the final trials starting in December 1947. Basically, Schmeisser would have had about half a year if the Soviets are lying about the fact that he was confined to Izhevsk. Even then, Schmeisser would have only been able to tell Kalashnikov what the troops and trials already had told him: to move firing controls to the right side of the receiver and to simplify the gun. Schmeisser had traditionally put controls on the left side of the receiver, so it's not very likely he told Kalashnikov to do that nor would he have thought the AK-46 any more complicated than his STG-44.

What IS an entirely more possible statement is that Schmeisser likely helped implement quality control measures from his background in stamped-steel weaponry during the lead up to the AKM. However, the Russians decided it was better to switch to a milled receiver, so even Schmeisser couldn't, didn't, or wasn't helping with a solution for that. By the time the order for what would be the AKM trials came about in 1955, Schmeisser had left Russia 3 years before in 1952, so it's unlikely Schmeisser had any significant contribution (if at all) with the AK.

>>33677745
Kill whoever did this

It's been said to death already but there's no point in bitching about "It's not a faithful reproduction." The originals are not good guns. They are half designed rifles, the parts don't interchange, the springs sucked, headspacing process is ass, and they aren't that sturdy or simple. There are multiple "original" mag iterations.

Making an exact replica Stg44 is a losing venture. There is no market for it at the price it would take to create a gun that by it's nature was incomplete. The price they command now is entirely historical and NFA driven, a gun with the Stg44's quality control would be IO tier.

>>33677664
this picture looks like crap.

>>33677828
>trying to remake the wheel and call it the wheel again

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>>33677337
Ugly pps43/52....nope.
Walmart tier ar....yep
Century vz....nope

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>>33677794
Used a pistol 43. Extended the barrel with welded extension and cut the reciever and welded on a 52 rear for the wood stock.

>>33674133
The museum models are almost EXCLUSIVELY DEACTIVATED because last I checked, most museums don't fucking have a Class III license, you dipshit.

That still doesn't account for shit like tolerances, metallurgy, spring weights, making an actual legal rifle that won't end with the ATF making a surprise visit, fucking tooling, developing the manufacturing, and fucking every god damn thing else that goes into mass producing something, even in small quantities.

Jesus fucking christ, think for more than 10 seconds before you let shit dribble out from your mouth.

>>33674139
>There have absolutely been measurements and documentation of those firearms since the 40s.
There is.

Its all wrong.

And of whats there that ISN'T wrong, which is about 90 some percent of it, that also wasn't seized by the soviets in the post WW2/Cold War Nazi tech grab, doesn't document fucking tolerances, dimensions, stampings, heat treatment, any of the math, which holy fucking shit, is the fundamental base of engineering you fucking mong, nor do they address the numerous issues the STG had.

>>33679140
You know literally nothing of museum collections or transfers to museums of non-transferable. God damn

>>33678985
>Prototype
>STG's often had issues with the magazine itself being shit, if it wasn't dropping out of the rifle ala a weak magazine catch
>In attempt to prevent people from obsessively bitching about rifle not working, they fix issue which causes autism triggering among bitter autists who won't even be able to afford rifle
REEEEEE

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>people getting this butthurt over a modernized STG
pic related, a modernized FG-42
>>33679311
Checked

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>>33678543
like this?

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>>33677292
why do you feel the need to defend HMG to the end of the earth? the gun looks like shit period, anyone who isn't a COD kiddy or a mouth breathing retard would automatically see it doesn't nearly look the same, i also don't like their excuses, there are a bunch of legally registered real ones that they could have borrowed and examined, also their implying that they could only use that one type of FCG and about the ATF and yadayada was all just laziness on their part, if you are going to replicate an iconic gun, you do it right, you don't half ass it and make it cheap enough for the hoi polloi, which is clearly what the greedy lazy faggots at HMG are trying to do.
i think its pathetic laziness, and yes i watched all the vids even the new one, not impressed

>>33679395
is it bad that i kinda like this

>>33677364
>being this broke and autistic

id pay that much if it was well made and ACTUALLY LOOKED LIKE THE FUCKING GUN IT IS TRYING TO REPLICATE

>>33677681
LOL what a fucking joke.
THEY HAD ONE JOB

>>33678844
>literally a commie tripfag

INTO THE TRASH

>>33679453

Not the same guy, but you are not going to be able to get an StG 44 that is identical part for part that you can shoot everyday. The original had to be designed with the available resources to make them in mind, which were limited. This rifle is objectively better.

This is as close as you're going to get without taking out a loan from the bank. Get the fuck over it.

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>>33679581
>Not the same guy, but you are not going to be able to get an StG 44 that is identical part for part that you can shoot everyday. The original had to be designed with the available resources to make them in mind, which were limited.

NAH thats not an argument, you are making it sound like we are still in this situation of "limited resources" also i wouldn't even mind if they had to change the internals slightly to improve its reliability or functionality but at the very least make it look the same.
i wouldn't mind paying $3000-$4000 on an extremely faithful repro, i paid $2800 for a SCAR(not a report i know) and almost $3500 for a fulton M14 and you know what THEY WORK, THEIR NICE, sometimes its worth paying more, its like you are trying to tell me a $1000 dollar prostitute is waste of money because the $20 prostitute will make you cum just the same.

also how much does HMG pay you to defend their mistakes, i wish we had IDs here on /k/ because id be willing to bet its only like 3-4 of you faggots, doing this you are literally the HMGIDF to you they can do no wrong, its fucking comical to me.

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>>33673639

>>33677779
>small loan of 1 million (yous)

>>33680128
kek

>>33679777

>NAH thats not an argument, you are making it sound like we are still in this situation of "limited resources"

That not the point of fucking idiot. You want the ORIGINAL, right? The original is shittier than the one HMG has designed. Fact. The HMG is a better daily shooter than the original. Fact. The HMG will have a bigger after market. Fact.

And gun designers don't just slap on those stamping for looks, they usually serve a function/structural purpose. And there may be a perfectly good reason why HMG went that route. If you are going to change the internals, you will most likely see a change in the exterior.

>hurr durr HMG shill

Did school let out early this year? I have no emotional or material investment in HMG. I don't even have a boner for the original StG 44 like some of you fuckers have.

This was never intended to be a copy of StG 44. The changes to the inside don't bother you, but the slight changes to the outside does? Autism. Pure, unpasteurized, unfiltered autism.

>>33680223
>This was never intended to be a copy of StG 44.

then what was it intended for einstein, to update a hopelessly outdated gun?
christ

>The changes to the inside don't bother you, but the slight changes to the outside does? Autism. Pure, unpasteurized, unfiltered autism.

no no i think you are the artist here taking everything to extremes, yes if i buy a replica i want it TO ACTUALLY FUCKING LOOK LIKE THE GUN THEY ARE TRYING TO REPLICATE, IS THAT SO BAD?

> That not the point of fucking idiot. You want the ORIGINAL, right? The original is shittier than the one HMG has designed. Fact. The HMG is a better daily shooter than the original. Fact. The HMG will have a bigger after market. Fact.

>shilling this hard

>I have no emotional or material investment in HMG.
you obviously do since you keep defending their mistakes, i know its you too every single thread about this mockery of a gun features you saying "This was never intended to be a copy of StG 44" I've seen you argue this at least 3 times now, you are not fooling anybody and since this gun was done on the cheap with truckloads of laziness its going to flop and have issues
Mark my words asshole

>>33680378
autist* not artist lol fucking auto-correct.

>>33680378

>then what was it intended for einstein, to update a hopelessly outdated gun?
christ

That seems to be the aim that HMG is pushing for, yes. Next.

>shilling this hard
>shilling

Pointing out the obvious isn't "shilling," you endearing lil' snowflake.

>yes if i buy a replica i want it TO ACTUALLY FUCKING LOOK LIKE THE GUN THEY ARE TRYING TO REPLICATE, IS THAT SO BAD?

Then save up daddy's money and buy of those $4-5k reproductions actually made in Germany (protip: they're pieces of shit).

>I've seen you argue this at least 3 times now, you are not fooling anybody and since this gun was done on the cheap with truckloads of laziness its going to flop and have issues

Occum's Razor. What's more likely? That I trolled /k/ all day just to find you and samefag, or that your retardation caught everyone's attention, and 3 different people called you out on it?

>>33677828
>maintaining the a e s t h e t i c
it doesn't
not with that polymer mag

>>33673529
Honestly excited since I'm trapped in MA, with a 10 rounder it would be legal

>>33673637
yet it clearly looks like fucking shit

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>>33673639

>>33681053
>(protip: they're pieces of shit).
have you owned one for a considerable amount of time? do you know anyone who owns one? theres barely any videos of them so i can't say however if i got one and it was shit i know i could call a couple gunsmiths who might be able to unshit-it but id rather not even like to know the process of getting one here in the US,

>Occum's Razor. What's more likely? That I trolled /k/ all day just to find you and samefag, or that your retardation caught everyone's attention, and 3 different people called you out on it?

i probably worded that wrong, i haven't been "called out" on it three times, I've just seen a lot of other making anon making the say arguments as me only to be replied to by your argument, usually its always similar wording too, maybe I'm going schizo or some shit.

>>33682395
>making anon making the say arguments

anons making the same arguments*

fuck I've got to stop drinking and turn off fucking auto-correct

>>33677681
I unironically like it more than original

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>>33683582
HMG CEO PLS GO

>available in .300 blackout

who the fuck is this thing even being marketed to at this point?

>>33683737
"Ribbing" (or however you suppose to call it) is more regular than on original and that's primary reason.

>>33683749
about as many people as they can

I hope more and more cancel

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>>33673529
I can't wait to have this thread again tomorrow.
And the next day.
And the next day.
And the next day.
And the next day.
And the next day.
Ad nauseam.

kys

>>33673713
Yeah, we know fag. Everytime there's a thread about it you come in and bitch

>>33685204
Cool what's your order number again?

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>>33679521
IM NOT A TRIPFAG YOU LITTLE NAZI CUNT IM IN WITH THE MODS I WILL GET YOU BANNED FOR THIS GET BACK TO POL

>>33679350
I unironically like that

I am much more excited about the 9mm MP-40.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9GdGnkYhRc

Now if we can only pass the hearing protection act and get SBR's off the NFA list.

>>33683749

fudds

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>>33685408

>>33679236
A weak magazine catch ""fix"" has nothing to do with what side the actual button is on. It's like putting a peep sight on the gun because that's what AR-15's use.

>>33673639
^-^

>>33678612
What kinda mags are those?

>>33674034
SMG guns made an FG42 repro chambered in .308 and 8mm for around 5K

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>>33683848
>"Ribbing" (or however you suppose to call it) is more regular than on original and that's primary reason.

holy shit you are fucking retarded.

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>>33685408
whatever commie tripfag, get back in your breadline and give your computer to a homeless man you hypocritical marxist faggot., i bet any amount that you have rich parents who didn't discipline you

>>33673529
What to say about other than it makes autismos here on /k/ mad as all hell.

>>33674011
FESTOONED ACROSS HIS CHEST LIKE THE FRITO BANDITO

>>33673709
Well , I would much prefer one of those Sports Systeme rifles from years back that was an actual German built semi-auto clone 1:1 , none of this adaptive engineering for multiple calibers bullshit.

>>33674011
Because someone has already made an original semi-auto but only for 7.92X33mm Kurz.

The problem is they are trying to make an StG44 look alike that also takes HK trigger groups AND is multi-caliber adaptable at the factory.

>>33673529
Who else wants one , just to piss off the softy leftists ,so they think it is a "Hitler" gun ?

>>33679777
>THEIR
You have that much money for guns but not enough money to hire someone to tell you the difference between their, there, and they're.

>>33673639
good bait

>>33673529
I saw one at Cabella's the other day.

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>>33673639

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>>33673639

>>33679350
Why didn't they make blaster props out of modernized FG-42s?

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>>33673639

I've shot one of these at the range before. I've honestly been impressed by the range and power. My shoulder hurt from the pure recoil and it actually managed to puncture one of the metal targets. If I aimed hard enough, I bet I could dent a tank's armor with this bad boy. I don't know if this was intentional, but the plastic wood panels fell off after a few shots. They were snap-ins which was kind of neat, but the lack of glue or screws meant that I couldn't put them back in since the recoil had snapped the pins off. It's much better than an AK IMO, which had the wood actually fucking splinter, and could barely dent the magnesium target I was shooting at.

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>mfw wehraboo butthurt every time one of these threads rolls around

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>>33673639

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>>33673639