How many rounds of 5.56?

1 round of .556 will cause the entire abdomen of a human to rupture due to hydraulic fracking effect.

>>33667700
If possible I would appreciation an estimation both with and without kevlar plate chest armor.

>>33667700
On average? Probably between 1 and 2.

>>33667721
Depends on the armor and round.

>>33667740
Civilian grade. Let's say AR500

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>>33667700
Depends entirely on shot placement. One good CNS hit will instantly render someone permanently immobile, but someone hopped up on adrenaline can take a dozen through-and-throughs and keep going until they pass out from blood loss or shock.

That's why you just keep shooting until they go down. You're bound to hit or get a good shatter and knock out something important eventually.

Is there a armored piercing 556 round? There's really not a whole lot of info about that shit.

>>33667750
3/8" AR500 will stand up to anything that's not AP or semi-AP like M855 at 100m all day long. That's literally what targets are made out of.

>>33667750
1 round of xm193 will penetrate steel shit.

>>33667754
Let's say ammo conservation is a top priority. What would be a good number of rounds to burst fire to kill them before they can reach cover if I wanted to be safe and also preserve ammunition.

human bodies dont have "hit points" you stupid fuck. One projectile destroying the brain or spine will result in immediate incapacitation. A shot to the heart, lung, liver or an artery will result in death in either moments or hours.

5.56 is designed to wound, so maybe like 3-5 shots on center mass would be enough

>>33667787

killing the person you're in a gun fight with is the top priority you fucking nigger. however many it takes to win.

>>33667798

>designed to wound

wound yourself

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>>33667787
>Ammo conservation a priority
Then your selector switch should never touch burst or full auto. Even if it's only 5.56, everything after your second shot is going to be pure luck past 10m. Video games lied to you, Full Auto is only about as controllable as "That general direction", even with an intermediate rifle cartridge.

>>33667807
It doesn't do me much good if I empty an entire mag to kill one target if I plan on engaging multiple people over a single day without re-supply. I just want a rule of thumb I can trust, and then supplement with additional firepower if needed.

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>>33667829
Only if your a pussy

>>33667853
It does you even less good to zip the fucker and have them waste you because you're anal about not wasting ammo. Keep shooting until the threat is removed. They might go down on the first, they might go down on the last round of the second mag. If you're looking for a greater probability of a quick kill on the first hit, you're using the wrong type of rifle cartridge. You should be shopping in the Battle Rifle range, as they were designed specifically for that sort of thing.

>>33667907
What would you recommend? I chose 5.56 because it's a more common cartridge in the states. But if given enough time I could stockpile 7.62 and rely on that exclusively, although getting more ammo in the case of a national emergency would be hell.

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>>33667711
quad dubs confirm 556 makes people dead
witnessed

>>33667786

You mean 855

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>>33667700
Say it with me. One ah ha ha

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/oklahoma-man-uses-ar-15-kill-three-teen-home-intruders-n739541

>>33667939
7.62x51 /.308 is common as fuck. It's probably the single most popular deer hunting round because in most situations it will kill quickly and humanely even without a CNS or vital hit — and it'll go through just about anything not specifically designed to stop gunfire and retain lethality without a second thought. Car doors, exterior structure doors, small trees, doesn't give a fuck. It doesn't go transsonic out of most platforms for 700m.

After plenty of personal experience with 5.56 out of an M16 and M4, I don't trust the round to reliably and quickly put down man-sized targets as a solo shooter.

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>>33667711
Q U A D D U B S C H E C K E D

>>33667939

Both are fine for killing people. Get whichever one you like most.

Im going to use a magazine fed bolt gun for my shtf rifle. I should go 308 instead of 5.56 right?

>>33667700
>an OPFOR
anon pls just say a man or human being. Its a lot less cringey and tryhard. You're talking about killing a man. Say so.

As for your question, it varies by the person and range and location you hit him in the torso. But one certainly can kill a man. Easily. But if you're gonna shoot somebody, might as well shoot him a few times.

>>33668113
It makes sense since he's a /v/tard who thinks 5.56 only does 20 damage but 7.62 does 80. This is a bait thread.

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>>33667798
go test that for me

>>33667700

Literally thousands. The vast majority of rounds fired in a combat situation are suppressive fire.

>>33667700

depends on what perks they have

>>33667700
Mathematically it would be two shots, as they have the highest damage return to rounds spent

>>33668224
Rounds to center mass aren't suppressive fire. They don't count for op's retarded question.

>>33668257

hydrostatic shock "multiplying" by being hit by two rounds is a myth

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>>33668257
3

>>33667700
One will fuck someone up but do 2 just to be sure

>>33668379
thats not what I meant, when utilizing any resource if you plan to use more than one its the most efficient to use two, as you have the highest return in a single instance (+100 percent) which then diminishes (third bullet is +50 percent)

>>33667728
>Between 1 and 2
So, like, if I shoot him once, then throw some 5.56 at him?

>>33668479
forgot to say this is provided you accomplish your goal with the resources you use

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i've heard of guys getting sprayed with 20 rounds and still fighting.

it's more about where you hit em.

>>33668202
Real-life physics dictates the damage a projectile inflicts on a human body. When I ask how many rounds on average are required to drop a grown man, I'm asking for a rule of thumb that can generally be relied upon to maximize casualties per round of ammunition.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with that. Sure, a bullet may hit their spine and drop them instantly, or maybe it will hit and go through soft tissue without rupturing any major organs, but this should all be factored in to the estimation.

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>>33667711
Capped on mobile for future proofs in brg vs arg pissing contests. Plz share

>>33667853
t. school shooter.

>>33670958
Real life medicine says if you put any real rifle round to the chest they'll more than likely go down

>>33667700
The correct answer is 'keep shooting until they stop fucking moving'.

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>>33667700
You need more than 3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dr7dpEDNNC4


>>33667711
>>33667728
>>33667788
>>33668412
>>33668418

wrong!

>>33667798
somewhat correct!

>>33667700
In the marines we called it a box drill. The Army calls it something else.

Either way, same thing. 2 in the chest, 1 in the head.

>>33668412
D J I B O U T I S H O O T I

>>33667700
Well just a few weeks ago a dude killed 3 home invaders with two shots. So about 66.67% rounds

>>33667853

1 to the chest and 1 to the head while they're on the ground. If they're still standing you keep shooting at the chest until they're dead.

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Depends where u hit them.

>>33673472
Does any trauma publication publish survival rates by at least firearm type, if not caliber? While not 1:1 with incapacitation rates, it would be surprising if there wasn't at least strong correlation.

I've read a couple of forensic pathology texts where they state any yawing, expanding, or fragmenting bullet over 2000fps is bad news, but I haven't read anything approaching large sample data analysis.

>>33667798
Yes, to fatally wound

>>33667700
Depends on how close you are, what barrel length you have, how fat they are, how they're presenting their body to you and how much clothing they're wearing.

From a 20" barrel inside probably 50 yards on a malnourished gook facing you head on, it'll ice-pick all day.

Some fat neckbeard in a carhart picks a fight with you and you're rocking a 16" barrel from 50 yards it'll probably yaw like a bitch and rearrange his insides.

>>33668008
Actually both will unless you get their (((lvl III+))), but I certainly wouldn't trust my life with that shit.

>>33668204
Ah I miss red dwarf. What an utterly depressing situation for those guys to be in

>>33667798
Isent this the most fudd-tastic statment ever though?

>>33667700
>Opfor
Fucking cringe

There is no real average number, wounding is complicated, there are dozens of factors to consider including target weight, presentation profile, range, angle, bullet weight, velocity, clothing worn, bullet type etc

Real life isn't video games, its possible to drop someone in one shot at 200m or half to pump 10+ rounds into somebody at 10m to get them to go down, it boils down to where you hit them exactly and what happens after you hit them

>>33674000
You saw the cavitaiton, one shot.

>>33667700
>an OPFOR
holy shit, enlist if you haven't and stop being retarded.

There is no average number. There are so many variables 1 may be all you need, you may need 5 or 6 if you can't hit anything vital.

>>33667798
You would put your money on someone shooting you twice in the chest with a 556 and not dying or being incapacitated?