Home Defence in Freedom Hating Countries

>>33665402
>a country that doesn't allow firearms for the purpose of self dense, and requires you to lock them away and make them inoperable
australia? tell us you faggot so we can mock you

>>33665432
On the money.

>>33665438
return sticks for you then

>>33665450
My return stick isn't well trained.

>>33665402
pretty sure there's no laws against very inconveniently placed legos

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>>33665438
or perhaps a self defense boot?

>>33665474
I wouldn't bet on it...

>>33665477
I'm a bit more handy with a spoon.
Only ever wear Chinese work boots.

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>>33665502
ahh, good choice

>>33665402
Don't be a moron and just use a gun.
Nobody is gonna come look for a junkie home invader anyway.

>>33665438
I thought the idea of self defense was illegal there? In that case, you should get a rape alarm.

>>33668107
You're entitled to defend yourself and your home, you just have to prove that the use of force was justifiable.

>>33668107
>No 28 of 2003—Criminal Law Consolidation (Self Defence) Amendment Act 2003 [7] In July 2003, the Rann Government (SA) introduced laws allowing householders to use "whatever force they deem necessary" when confronted with a home invader. Householders who kill or injure a home invader escape prosecution provided they can prove they had a genuine belief that it was necessary to do so to protect themselves or their family.

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>be bong
>ahmed and fayood break into my home
>try to rape my waifu
>grab my rounders or cricket bat
>beat ahmed half to death, fayood runs because he's not going to try anything
>call 0118 999 881 999 119 725 3
>police are there quick
>see ahmed bleeding on the floor
>get arrested for excessive force and premeditated for having my bat lying around
just

>>33667970
>Don't be a moron and just use a gun.
Bruh, I'm not going to be able to effectively clear my house with my No1Mk3, especially given that it's locked up in a separate safe to my ammo.
Plus, people will want answers when a few rounds of .303 British fly through their wall.

I would very much like to not go to gaol.

>>33668107
You have to use "appropriate force" - using your gun means that you had enough time to open your safe, reassemble your gun, and load it - the court will argue that you could have used that time to escape the house.

You also have to prove that they intended you harm - the fact that they had a knife is not enough, they must be brandishing/threatening you with it.

Where I'm hoping Ill be fine with the shield/bludgeon/spear combo is that it's not required to be locked up - and the concept of the shield is mainly defensive.

I have already fought off two armed home invaders, whilst unarmed, I was lucky to survive - it took nearly 2 years to get to court, despite 6 witnesses, physical fingerprint and DNA evidence, police arresting one of them at the scene earlier in the night - they got off with a plea deal, no time served despite one of them literally trying to gut me with a kitchen knife.
To add insult, to injury, one of them tried to sue me for damage to a ligament in his groin, that prevents him from walking correctly to this day.

Interestingly, at they 6 plea hearings, they both claimed that they were never there, meanwhile they were trying to sue me for damages received whilst at the property.

Kiwi here, I live in a remote-ish location and don't get many visitors, I have a gun safe that I keep my rifles in because the law, but nobody checks, I still keep my 870 by the door.

>>33673595
Kiwi here also. The 870 lives on a ledge inside above my closet door,with shells nearby but not loaded into it.

>>33673595
>>33673604
what are gun laws like over there? can you get semiauto rifles?

>>33673604
Wish I could do that, but I don't even have an Adler, plus I don't want to get raped during inspection.

>>33673604
I never why people are such pussies when it comes to gun laws, I have pistols but I'm not a fucking retard I just hie them in the shed when the officer came over.

>>33673621
NZ is pretty based.
Shit is license based, but semi autos are fine, suppressors are sold on the same basis as hearing protection and licensed collectors can purchase new machine guns, under the right conditions.

>>33673621
Yea, you can own a lot of things if you can be fucked getting the different licenses, on your normal license you can own most things apart from pistols and full auto stuff. Most people don't care, just get your mate to buy you guns.

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>>33665402
Rubber bullets. Or classic - fucking axe.

Get a dog mate.

>>33673672
Got two staffy x cattle dogs.
They're good, but I don't want to be helpless myself.
Hence shield + spear.

>>33673676
Then get a gun or learn some boxing, maybe a stabvest, most junkie home invaders are major threats. The only people who should dress for riots are people going out rioting so don't do that and you'll be good.

>>33673687
i believe in australia stab vests technically qualify as body armor, which makes them very hard to get as a civilian.

>>33673642
>>33673640
so i get a normal gun license, and i can just go out and buy an AR-15? that's awesome, are there mag limitations?

>>33673687
Have a gun, due to legal storage requirements I can't use it if I intend to avoid gaol.
I already cab fight, and have fought off armed home invaders before.
Stabproof vests are illegal without a security license here.

>>33673629
Haha im not that keen to straight up own pistols, if i did id own at least a 44mag so when you buy the ammo, it can at least be ""for a levergun"". I think buying 9mm and handing your a cat licence could raise some eyebrows lol

>lets make a deal bin that shield.

>>33665402
Just shoot the cunt, put a few rounds in the floor after the fact in order to fake warning shots, and say you happened to be cleaning your gun at the time as you're planning to go to the range soon.

Or if you think the cops won't buy that (quite likely), use a bow or crossbow. Regular bow will probably be quicker.

>>33673693
You would need an E class license for a standard AR-15.
To get an E class, you need a genuine reason, service rifle shooting counts as does collection and as does 3-gun shooting.

>>33673698
>Smart men yield, hand over that shield!

>>33673708
You literally didn't read the thread, did you?

They would say that you shouldn't of had the ammo out, and as you were able to secure the ammunition from the safe, you could have retreated.
Less of an issue with bows (Crossbows being Cat E weapons) but try clearing a house with a compound bow.

>>33673710
if you're collecting, can you have fully operating rifles?

>>33673693
You can get an a cat ar15 so one with a thumbhole style stock and magazines with a max capacity of 7rnds. Theyre usually $1400 for a basic sort of one (i know fuck all about uppers and lowers and brands and shit) but you can usually pick up sks's for under $400 and theyre plenty of fun

>>33669729
Thank god you didn't use a bike wheel.

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>>33665402
Pic related.

>>33673719
kek

>>33673720
Yes, but no ammo, but you can shoot at approved ranges.
But it is just better to get a 3 gun exemption or service rifle exemption.

>>33673739
>Yes, but no ammo
and if i just, uh, happen to have an old rifle in 5.56 that isn't semiauto?

>But it is just better to get a 3 gun exemption or service rifle exemption.
makes sense. you guys have pretty good gun laws then. i can get a rifle powerful enough to blow someone's head into a fine paste from 800 meters with no trouble as long as it's a bolt action, but the moment i want that same rifle in semi auto i'm martin bryant himself. fucking australia.

>>33673724
>$1400
wow. there's a lot of money to be made by importing AR-15s into NZ then.

>>33673748
Good luck getting import permits. Police are trying to stop the flow of arms getting in. Theres some attempted gun grabbing shit going on over here atm

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Here's what I use for home defense.

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>>33673770
Unless the atf come round.....

>>33673748
It costs more to purchase and import than to manufacture locally.

>>33673770
>Putting your battle buddy's life on the line to protect yours.
Neck yourself.

>>33673694
Fuck storage requirements, you need a safe over here too, but I'm fucked if I actually follow it, just keep a shotgun by the door mate, who the fuck is going to check?

>>33673697
Ones a 22, shoot the fuck out of it, shits like airsoft. The other is my grandads .357 have a box of 50 rounds, wouldn't dare shoot it though.

It's sad that gun laws are so fucked up, some days I pack up and go to the states because of it, sure would be fun to open carry and get a sub $1000 ar.

>>33673985

Are you a cop?

>>33673997
Nah, I'm a fencer, could probably be a cop though used to be in the army. I would have to move though so fuck that.

>>33673952
The cops, every 6 months, plus if I have to use it I get raped in gaol for the rest of my life.

OP here, didn't actually look up the customs position on Riot Shields before ordering one.

Am I good, or should o start lubing my butthole - bare in mind I've had shipments seized before, this would be my third strike...

>>33673770
Dog safes. Soon.

>>33675124
>Must remove doggos teeth when doggo not in use.

>>33674940
Googled it, only answer I could find was a 3-year old yahoo answers thread saying it was fine.

>>33672064
I'm sorry you have to do all that, man. Genuinely.

>>33672064
That's fucked up. I would get/make a VERY large crossbow (maybe a double crossbow for 2 shots?), kill them and dont tell anyone

When the system stops working, you stop using the system

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>>33665402
The Blade of course.

>>33675140
>Police find assault doggo in your car
>Life sentence
>Doggo disassembled

A weapon of your choice, stored in an old and miscellaneous plastic bag

When the police show up:

>they tried to kill you with it
>they shouted their intent to kill you
>you fought over the weapon that they brought with them
>they came off second best

>>33674940
What about this? >>33671778

>>33673694
>Stabproof vests are illegal without a security license here.
But why?

>>33675240
Well, I'll let you guys know if I get fucker or not.

>>33675338
>Want to import exotic doggo.
>Doggo receiver cut into three pieces with plasma torch.

>>33675504
Our laws are made by (((Melbourne))), which is basically the worst parts of Cali, clustered into one hellhole full of Somalians.

>>33675342
It would work, but I'd need a few minutes warning.
With the shield I can just grab it and a spear/sword and fight intruders with my tackle slapping the back of the riot shield.

>>33675504
Don't you know /k/omrade? Only paranoids take precautions! The greatest defense is none at all! /s

>>33675537
Very Spartan.

>>33675537
No, i mean the OP said riot gear was illegal in aussietown

Hence a shield may be illegal

>>33675556
Well, it has to be a rapid reaction.

Another benefit is that in the future, when my kids are older, I can buy shields for them and we can train to make a Testudo in case of Zimbabwe level home invasion.

>>33675566
It's not illegal, he just doesn't know the laws, only items specifically designed to protect against ballistic threats are illegal.
I think stab proof vests are listed by name as cat E devices, alongside helmets, ballistic protection, plate carriers and plates.

>>33675589
Sounds good, man. I'm glad you have such a cavalier attitude about it. Make sure you get some practice in, not only in its general use but sparring indoors. You'll be restricted by your surroundings. Honestly, I think a spear would be better. Longer reach. Maybe make your own "broom handle" bo staff or some shit, shit hits the fan and you just kick that piece of shit mophead or whatever right off and get to work.

>>33675642
I already have a spear from pig shooting.
I think the confined spaces might work for me due to forcing the intruders into a corridor of death.

>>33675661
Nice, nice. Yeah, they're not going to human-wave you and crash against your shield, especially if you're scary-sounding. Practice battle cries to demoralize them, make them scared to approach. Also watch for flanking through the house , such as going to an adjacent room and shooting through the wall. You should also have a fallback position, maybe it spare gear, in case the first front falls. Ideally it would be unassailable from all but one direction, be able to be sealed off, and have some form of escape route in case they try to burn you out.

Some would say all this sounds paranoid. I would say that preparation for what is possible rather than what is expected is the only responsible method.

>>33674082
Thats a pretty specific sort of job. Haha. My family is pretty tied up in that profession

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>>33665402
If you cant afford a real riot shield or get it past customs as is Australian tradition, heres a video for making one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6qajuchtik

>>33673693
>in australia stab vests technically qualify as body armor

You could duct tape some phone books to a jacket.

Better yet, use copies of the Australian Criminal Code. And then maybe they'll ban it.

>>33673708
>fake warning shots

If you have time to fire warning shots, you have time to run away and aren't actively threatened, and you actually shot (and kill) someone after firing warning shots, it's premeditated murder

>>33676713
The law here is written with a LOT of ambiguity, which allows cops and the judiciary to use the law outside its original intentions to punish people, but let's them avoid any negative repercussions.

Here a cop can yellow sticker your car (ie. declare your vehicle unroadworthy, costing you a few hundred dollars) if you have a dirty engine bay, it is up to the individual cop to determine dirty.
Same thing goes for our firearms code, straight pull bolt action guns end up in the same category as AR-15s if they're scary enough.

>>33676788
>This
A lot of people don't understand this when talking about self defensive measures here.

>>33675566
Look up the clankening videos from kiev, make your own based on what those riot cops had.

>>33675589
You plan on approaching a battle under a hail of archer fire? Because shit nigga thats all testudo is good for.

>>33677172
Well, I'd say actually a combination of hoplite/testudo, specialised for corridor fighting.

Picture this:
>My wife, our kids and I - all armed and bearing shields inside of our hallway.
>Forward line, shields locked, bracing with gladiī ready.
>Rear lines, bracing overhead, holding spears through to the front, ready to mulch anyone who contacts the spears.
>First nog tries to charge us, catches a spear and is quickly disposed of.
>Second nog tries jumping on top, second line shields the front line of the Testudo, the rear line pulls him under and kills him.
>A third and a fourth nog throw themselves into the grinder.
>The remaining nogs start to waiver and eventually try to flee the house, the ranks drop shields, Pila fly through the air.
>The hounds are released to chase down any stragglers.
>I wander the field and grant the honourable ones a quick death.

>>33672064
Move to America,
NEVER VOTE DEMOCRAT
leave all your socialist beliefs behind
enjoy freedom

>>33672064
>You have to use "appropriate force" - using your gun means that you had enough time to open your safe, reassemble your gun, and load it - the court will argue that you could have used that time to escape the house.
This is essentially arguing that you don't have any more right to your home than some squatter with a knife. Time to start shooting judges.

>>33677351
Such is life here.

>>33677293
I won't give up the land that family has died for.

>not keeping primed Molotov cocktails in your drawer

Its like you don't understand that MAD ended the cold war

>>33677388
Then suffer...mong

>>33676690
>Dubstep
>Zombie faggotry
>Bows and crossbows mentioned for use in conjunction with shield
Did...did you actually watch that video before you linked it?

>>33677631
Welcome to nu/k/, where ZOMBEEZ isn't even ironic anymore.

>>33677631
Its years old of course its going to have all that, it doesn't change the fact that its still a working shield.

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>>33665402

Just for you, you dirty descendant of criminals.

>>33678615
You're going to break your wrist using that shit, still better then being raped but still.

>>33677259
i mean itll work but still
>NERRD

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>>33665402
Spartan spear and shield. Sword if you you think you may have to fight.

>>33681274
>Having a ritual family orgy amongst the remains of your foes, to honour Mars, makes you a nerd.
Top kek.

>>33678222
But who the fuck needs a faggy YouTube video to figure out how to make a shield like that.
>Metal
>Padding
>Grip
Boom, done.

I mean, it'd be interesting to rubberise the outside of the shield and rig up a camera flash to a couple of contacts on the outside.
Boom, taser shield.

>>33681864
Why bother the taser, a strobe effect with the flash will really screw up any attacker.

>>33681905
I have a surefire torch for that, might 3D print a mount for it on the shield.

And how does one combat the shield, especially a riot shield?

>>33682003
With another shield and anything that can hook over the top.

>>33682003
Larger, hooked shield.

>>33682031
I thought of a hook but I can't really see it pull it out of someones hands. I'm imagining something that can grab it from opposite ends but I'm imagining.

>>33682072
Hook on the front of your shield, to grab the stop of their shield and pull it down, reach over and kill the motherfucker.

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G A R A G E G U N S

>>33683226
P R I S O N

>>33665402

Get a bandog.

I'm a leaf and I've been thinking of getting something for home defense, but I'm not sure a gun's my best option, legally. I'd rather be in jail than dead, but neither is best. I need something, though. They keep culturally enriching us and I found out a couple days ago that I'm gonna be a dad.

Fuck using a spear, I'd want a little distance. Make or get some sort of tennis ball gun that you can reload a bit faster than a regular potato canon.

A few tennis balls to the face should adjust most burglars' attitudes.

>>33684205
I can't believe I just wasted my time reading that.

>>33665402
Move to a house next to police station

>>33684172
>They keep culturally enriching us and I found out a couple days ago that I'm gonna be a dad.
Buy a shield, buy a spear, buy a sword.
Practice.
Train your son.
Form a hoplite.

>>33684172
I thought it was illegal for Canadians to do anything to an intruder?

>>33686449
You can offer oral, but they don't have to take it.