/lgg/ levergat general

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>>33656507
Winchester brand Winchester in 30-30 Winchester is most Winchester that you can Winchester.

>>33656507
What do you think so far op? I want a 357 lever but I hate the Henry loading system. Much prefer a gate like my Marlin 45-70.

>>33656671
Win 94s are aesthetic as fuck

>>33657079
Fit and finish on the Henry is fantastic and their actions are silky smooth right out of the box.

Having had a few of both styles of levergat -- gate and tube --, I can say that it really doesn't matter to me. The Henry loading system is clumsy and slow at first, but once you practice with it a bit it can actually be superior to a loading gate in some ways. I can load and unload a Henry a lot faster than a Marlin or Winchester...buuuuut I can't top off a Henry as quickly, which is the downside.

It depends on what you want. You can find Rossi-made 92s for good prices and used Marlins for good prices, you've just gotta look. I found this Henry on the Cabela's used gun rack for like $450.

>>33657177
Yeah I wont just throw money away (Rossi) but I am also unsure I want to spend Henry money to load through the tube...

I need to finger some but they aren't in huge supply. Maybe buds has some.

What are the sights like on Winchesters and Henrys? I can hit minute of barn with my Marlin 94's shitty buckhorn sights. I'm tempted to rail+holosite it.

>>33657222
Nice trips. Also Xs ghost rings.

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>>33656507
I have the same gun.

She's my waifu

>>33657213
That's the kicker...unless you can find someone who owns one and try it out yourself.

You can also look at it this way...Henrys hold their value really well. They trade and sell pretty easily. If you live in a free state where that kind of thing is facilitated, you can always trade or sell it if you don't like it.

>>33657213
>>33657263

also if you've got a cabela's or bass pro nearby, they usually have some Henrys in stock you can fingerfuck.

>>33657270
Bass pro in Sevierville with buds. Should ride though and hit em both

>>33657398
say hi to hickock for me

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Pre-64 1894 m a s t e r r a c e

>>33657567
>luger
>in the home of a degenerate

>>33657567
Here comes the 400 replies about how you're a degenerate that shouldn't own gun

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>>33657567

>made in 1918

get on my level, nub

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>>33657638
:^)
>>33657657
That's the plan m8
>>33657753
Neat, that rifle's seen some shit I bet. Mine's a 1948 manufacture.

>>33657785
it's been through a lot. I think yours looks much better, desu. dat blueing doe

>>33657799
Yeah, it's in really great shape cause the previous and first owner basically left it in his closet all its life and only put like a box of shells through it, my pops bought it from him before I was born and now it's mine. Killed my first deer with it too.

>>33657824
that's sweet man. A rifle that has tasted blood is the best kind of rifle. I'm sure you already do, but always cherish that thing.

>>33657867
Oh yeah man she's definitely my raifu and I treat her as such, though the buttplate is a bit roughed up due to me basically using her as a walking stick while running brush back when I was younger and dumber. Those hills were steep though and she kept me from tumbling ass over elbows more than once.

Any nice lever action rifles that shoot pistol calibers and aren't too expensive?
Interested in .357 Magnum or .45 specifically.

I know about the Rossi 92, but I was wondering if there were other ones you guys liked.
Not buying a Henry because tube loading is fucking retarded.

>>33657892
>tube loading is fucking retarded

don't knock it till you've tried it.

If you're one of those set-in-their-ways gun community cancer people, hop on armslist or gunbroker and maybe you can also find a marlin in .357 or .44 for a decent price. Old legit win92s seem kinda hard to find at a price that won't make you take out a second mortgage

>>33658056
I played around with a couple tube loading rifles and that was more than enough.
There's literally nothing wrong with loading gates.

>>33657567
What episode of Columbo is that?

>>33658056
Eh. Tube loading is sorta impractical for me. It's not that I think it's stupid, I just don't like either having to set the gun down on a table and take the tube out to reload it, or do stupid shit like what I did when I was wee and retarded and hold it real funny in your legs with the tube sticking out.

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700 bucks from old jewish man with near 60 rounds of ammo. only down side is I need another one so I can actually shoot lol. weird thing on the fore grip is just light, the stock is scuffed a little.

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but god damn that bluing is pretty

>>33658109
Sorry man I'm not sure, I took that picture a while ago. Pretty sure it's from the first season though from how young Columbo looks there.

>>33658145
that right there is a gun to fap to

>>33658115
the thing is, you don't.

I'm not saying you need to abandon a loading gate for a tube or anything, but what I'm saying is...if you get a tube loader, practice with it. just be open-minded about it. It's not nearly as bad as you're making it out to be in your head.

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>tfw can't decide what levergun to get
>1866 for dat brass receiver
>1873 because gun that won the west
>1892 for plinking
>1894 because I might go hunting some day
>1895 because fuck my wallet

>>33658056

I've tried it. It is awful.

It's like the rifle is trans-musket or something.

Even loading a revolver one cartridge at a time is easy and even a bit relaxing.

But maybe it should dawn on Henry that some people want to reload their weapon when they *don't* have a bench in front of them.

There is no good reason to not have a loading gate.

Anyone who says it's faster to tube load is a liar or is selectively clumsy.

>>33658255
Henry doesn't do anything special enough to offset the lack of a loading gate.

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any of you guys have the henry 410s? I've wanted a lever shotgun for a while now, and a 410 would suit my purposes fine, but i can't find any reviews on them and that makes me hesitant to buy.

>>33658332
>tfw just get them all

set goals and do it over time anon. You don't need them all right now

>>33658341
as long as you've tried it. I don't care if people try it and hate it, it just bugs me when people go

>muh loading gate

without actually trying it for themselves

>>33658342
go for a rossi or a marlin then, friendo

>>33658380
>set goals and do it over time anon. You don't need them all right now

Still gotta pick somewhere to start.

>>33658393
get a 94 then. classic, awesome, collectible, and 30-30 is fun to shoot

>>33658393
start with the 92. it fires the most universal of all the rounds, and you can plink with it and take down coyote-tier shit, plus it's decently affordable

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Any fellow syrupniggers here who own/have tried the Norinco lever action shotgun?
I kind of want one.

>>33657567
>>33658109
It's the episode with the mystery novel writer, takes Columbo out to his cabin. Has a sweet little .38 snub nose in the episode. Should be an earlier episode.

>>33658453
Oh that's right, season one episode one. Good eye my dude.

>>33658463
Wow, I feel pretty god damn autistic right now. I haven't watched an episode of columbo for nearly a year now.

Is Rossi really that bad?
It seems like the only affordable .357 leverguns are Rossi and Henry, and it'd be nice to have both loading gate and tube options available to me without breaking the bank.

>>33658692
desu from what it seems, Rossi isn't too bad, you just need to break them in a bit

>>33657567
Cast Winchester receivers, not immediately post 64 but in the 70's and later were actually stronger.
The best ones were actually 2003-2006.

>>33658692
Rossis aren't bad, it's just that everyone else makes a batter lever gun.

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Would a lever gun loaded with 38 special be useful for small game (rabbits, squirrel, etc) if SHTF?

In addition, would loading the same rifle up with 357 magnum make for good home defense?

I am thinking about getting a lever gun that would serve a very utilitarian role

>>33659100
yes and yes

>>33659100
Yes and yes.

>>33659100
>I am thinking about getting a lever gun

that's really all you need. lever guns are the tits, anon

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This was my grandfather's lever gat. It's one of 5 guns he left to me. It's a Marlin 1893. The stock appears to be custom since I can't find any pictures of an 1893 with a straight stock. The stock also has an ivory (real) inlay with my grandfather's initials.

The gun is in 30-30.

The scope is a weaver 6x wide view. My grandfather placed it there (I didn't Bubba it, I'm not going to change it either besides maybe a 4x weaver on it instead). He used this rifle for deer hunting. It was his favorite. He had two larger 30-06 rifles for deer hunting as well.

I've taken it to the range twice now. It's a lot of fun to shoot. The action is a lot smoother now after the post-range cleanings.

The cartridge holder I put there. I've since moved it to a different rifle since it kept slipping.

>>33659198
I forgot to mention this gun is heavy. It has an thick octagonal barrel on it. A loaded tube mag doesn't help either. I'm pretty thin and weak, but have been working out to get stronger. I'll make my granddad proud. Hope you enjoyed my rifle's story

>PS my grandfather was terrible with gun safety. He has negligent discharged at least 3 times in front of family. We also know he's been kicked out of several hunting clubs because of safety reasons. I don't know if it was dementia or what. My grandparents were poor so my grandmother was happy he wasn't spending all that money on guns and hunting anymore.

>>33659198
nice rifle man

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>>33659100

>Mfw i get dubs

It has been decided for me

>>33659198
That's a beautiful raifu

>>33659306
>>33659408
Thanks guys. It's nice to have something to feel connected with him. Wish he had had more time.

>>33659198
there's really nothing quite like a "Grandpa's gun". Tons of people on /k/ have one, and it's pretty awesome. having something cool like that from our forefathers is badass as hell, manly as hell, and a cool bit of tradition and history that we can partake in and then pass on to our kids

>>33658748
>>33659089
What makes the other brands better outside of not being BR quality? Not that it isn't a good enough reason on its own.

>>33659922
Better fit and finish out of the box. Much less of a break-in period.

Better warranty and customer service. I don't know about Marlin or Winchester these days, but Henry's customer service is absolutely god-tier.

>>33657238
That's a pretty gun

>>33659198
Wewwww

>>33660121
Thanks anon. She runs like butter

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Got this model 94 off of gunbroker for $420. Shoots pretty nicely, only had time to run three shells through and make sure it was all set. Tomorrow I have a little fun with it

>>33656507
Does anyone know of a company that make either quadrails or keymod for a pre 64 Winchester 94? I want to get a polymer stock and add a rail so I can install a surefire, peq14, and peep sights.

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>>33658342
Yes they do. They are more sexually attractive.

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>>33661017
Plus Henry is a stand up company. Modern Winchester, and Marlin are shit companies.

>pic related, a factory option for Henry.

>>33661017

Nah, that guy is right. I want to into Henry but fuck the way they load. It's stupid.

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>>33661017
1866 > 1860

>>33661144
>cringe straight from the factory

no thanks

>>33661168
Have you ever used one?

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>>33661171
>he thinks the Henry Big boy is the original Henry design

What's it like knowing no winchester will ever be as attractive as a Henry?

>>33661174
>everyone throwing shade at Henrys has never used a tube-load gun

This memery needs to end. Tube-load .22s are common as fuck and we all know how much they such compared to almost every other method of reloading.

>>33661186
>it's been updated from the original Henry design
>skipped the most obvious modification of adding a loading gate

not exactly a stunning endorsement

>>33661171
Yeah heaven forbid we should have something different from yet another plastic AR covered in tacticool rails.

>>33661203
I like how in this guy's world there is literally nothing but an empty chasm between tacky engraved fudd guns and tacticool plastic guns.

>>33661187
Then when have you used one? Go ahead.

If you have, you would know its just as fast, if not faster than thumb loading through a gate.

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>>33661237
>If you have, you would know its just as fast, if not faster than thumb loading through a gate.

pull the other one, it's got bells on

>>33661267
noguns detected

>>33657177
>>33657213
How bad are the Rossis?
Been itching for a .357 levergat, but I'm on a budget and for reason I can't adequately explain the combination of top-ejecting and loading gate makes me rock hard.

>>33661328
pre lawyer cucking? Awesome

Modern ones are disgusting, and evidence that there should be a hunting season for lawyers.

>>33661379
what changed?
if I were autistic to look for one before those changes were made, what years would I be hunting for?

>>33661416
different depending on model, about 1990.

They added several shitty safeties on leveractions that have gone for over 100 years fine without them. The safeties on Rossi's in particular are obtrusive, miserable to use, and make the guns less enjoyable to own.

Just make sure if you get a Rossi 92 or similar model to get a pre lawyer. It will be specifically mentioned on any ad for a rossi, it is a selling point for a reason.

>>33661187
>tube-load .22s

are a different experience than a bigger caliber. .22s are a total pain in the dick to tube load. the bigger the round is, the faster and easier it is.

that's why it's a meme.

>>33661144
>Henry is a stand-up company

they really are. Their customer service is god-tier. Hell, their CEO will personally write you himself if you have a serious problem with something.

I picked up a Henry .45-70 on a trade a while back and the original owner lost the rear sight, which goes for like $100 by itself because it's one of those fancy XS things. I called Henry up and they just sent me a new one for free.

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My most favourite

>>33657213
>>33657892
>>33658692
Rossis are a bit rough brand new, I would just work the action for an hour or two and that will make it very smooth. I plugged the safety on mine and made the loop on my RH92 shorter. Lots of custom work now it's my favourite rifle see >>33663384

>>33658332
that poor 1895
someone take it out of it's misery

>>33656671
Well as near as I can Winchester I'd say that's about right.

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Just joined the lever gun club 3 weeks ago. Still haven't fired it.

>>33663771
those little henrys are a hoot. good buy anon

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Just shot this for the first time yesterday.

>>33663893
What type of computer rig do you have? I'm in the process of building mine atm

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>>33663905
I just built mine last year after I graduated/got a job.

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>>33656507
muh durhh raifu

>>33656507
>in b4 marlin fags talk bout the irrelevance of loading gates and spout "muh remlin" rhetoric 4 years after relevance.

I have a Mossburb 464 in pieces that I meant to strip and reblue but I never got around to it.

I'm such a turd.

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.44

>>33663851
Thank you! I hope down the line I don't regret not spending extra for the octagonal barrel.

In my mind it was "a 22 is a 22". It won't matter when i'm hucking shells rapid fire.

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>>33663926
Nice. I had a buddy help me build mine just last week. Waiting for my i5 and my mother board to come in still

>>33661187
My first rifle was a Marlin model 60 old style all bubba'd out. Tube fed, held 19 rounds I think with 1 in the chamber.

Anybody hear about Henry making the 410 levergun again?

>>33661201
>he thinks loading gate is a plus

lel

>>33665204
Better than a retarded tube losing design. Like some shitty .22

>>33665295
enjoy those roastbeef fingers anon :^)

>>33665324
Enjoy reloading your gun like a youth carbine.

>>33665729
what's wrong anon? why so insecure? :^)

>>33665324
>he doesn't know the right way to use a loading gate

it explains so much about these henryfags

>>33663771
I fucking love my H001, first gun I bought. That gun has killed so many squirrels that I've lost count. Get some of the CCI quiet 22lr ammo, it's quiet as shit (who would have guessed?). I target shoot in my backyard all the time with that stuff.

>>33665750
Yup

>>33657238
What rifle is that?

>>33665839
Henry Big Boy Steel in .357 Magnum

>>33665847
ty friend.

>>33665856
NP, I gotta get a new pic soon. I've completely changed the sights and got a sling for her.

>>33665847
>Henry Big Boy Steel in .357 Magnum

or, The Most Fun You Can Have With Your Clothes On

I just went and shot mine today for the first time. It is now my favorite raifu

>>33665899
There any issues shooting 38sp out of it?

>>33665939
the only issue is how quickly the ammo goes away.

You've also gotta get used to the POI shift. In my raifu 38spl shoots a few inches higher

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>>33657222
Still buckhorn. You have to know how they're meant to be used if you want to hit with me but I'm still not a fan.

Look into Lyman/Williams/Skinner/marble sights that mount to the tang or the receiver

>>33658255
>it's just a bullet button anon

I learned to shoot on a Model 60 and I love my model 39A, but outside of rimfire I have no reason to make a case for tube loading. The Henry's are really nice but it's not for me

>>33666478
It's not a bullet button. I get if people don't like it, I'm just saying don't make your judgment till you've tried it with a caliber higher than .22

I still think that a loading gate is better overall, I just don't think that tube loading is the backwards and clumsy dealbreaker that a lot of other people make it out to be without trying it first. And it some ways it IS better than a loading gate.

Maybe I'm just not autistic enough to get hung up on it.

>>33658341
I hate tube loading too but henry is doing just fine with their target audience. They COULD add a loading gate if the wanted to design a new receiver, but they opted for variety instead.

>>33666560
Think you missed the point of the comparison anon. And if we're being honest idk how a person would be autistic enough to viciously hold to a loading gate being superior while another is somehow less autistic for holding to the advantages of a tube loader.

I think a lot of it just depends on the type of shooting a person does and much more of it is the perception of the person over blowing it.

>>33665899
God its so fuckin nice

>>33665939
Not at all.

Feeds like butter, and you can even get an extra round in!

I'm in the market for a 45/70 gun.

Should I get an All Weather Henry or an All Weather Marlin?

>>33668801
1886

>>33668801
depends on whether you like loading gate or loading tube.

I owned a Henry .45-70 once. It was a great gun, but kicked like a pissed off mule. I eventually sold it to pay off some bills. I kinda wish I hadn't sometimes though.

Recently got a Rossi 45-70 as a gift. Saving for a Henry now :D

So the consensus I'm getting; if buying used, get Winchester > Marlin > Rossi; if buying modern production, get Henry.

Sound about right?

>>33669122
more or less. Old winchesters and marlins are quality firearms and you'll be able to find them for pretty cheap. Rossi isn't terrible new, but they need a break-in period and modern ones have safeties. Henrys have fantastic fit and finish and the smoothest actions right out of the box but they also use a loading tube, which is a huge deal breaker for a lot of people.

>>33669122
I'd still buy an Uberti or Chiappa over a Henry.

>>33669179
>buying any mechanical device build by Italians
kek

>>33656507
I'm in the market for a levergun, but have basically no idea where to go with it. I'm looking for a fun little range toy, something in .38/.357 ideally for cost, and I'm not looking to spend much. Unfortunately, everything I've found has been in the 'High-end safe-queen' sort of territory, but I know there must be more than that. Where does one get the 'Working Man's Levergun' in this day and age?

>>33669304
Find a used 90s era Rossi ranch hand. even with its neutered stock its great.

I want to SBR one so bad.

>>33669328
Aren't those the 'Mare's leg' models? Is there anything comparable, but in a full rifle-size?

>>33669279
how about you go be noguns somewhere else

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>>33669361
>but in a full rifle-size?
siiighhh. yes.


>>33669377
mfw my vest guns are worth more than your entire collection

>>33669304
on Armslist, Gunbroker, getting lucky at Cabela's (that's what happened to me...I got my Henry .357/.38spl for like $450 from their used guns), or looking at pawn shops.

You should be able to find something, you just gotta dig a bit. .357/.38 levergats are fun as hell and that makes them kind of hard to find.

>>33669416
>mfw my vest guns are worth more than your entire collection
So how come you don't know about objectively god-tier italian stuff like Beretta shotguns

>>33656507
I want one in .44 magnum with a wide loop, as short as possible, with a feed gate. Any recommendations?

>>33669440
>implying beretta shotguns arent build on bridgeport mills copying designs patented by american companies.

Fun fact, Ferrari misnumbered cars in order to qualify for formula 1. That is all you need to know about italians. Disgusting, lazy, light skinned niggers.

>>33669477
So fucking what
that's not the point

>>33669499
>trusting your life to anything built by an Italian
>ever
kek, what's next, are you going to tell me you carry a Taurus as a bug?

>>33669456
Unless you want a mare's leg, you'll probably have to get an 1892 trapper and swap in a large loop.

>>33656507

can't wait to get my lever actions
got a .45-70 and a .410 gauge on my list that'd i'm gonna start out with, i'm sure there'll be a .22 in there too

>>33656507

yet another reason why Fallout New Vegas was such a great fucking game

I'm pretty damn convinced that a large number of NuGuns kids are because of Fallout NV

>>33657398

I miss TN, so glad I'm goin back this week

>>33661174
I have, and it's fucking stupid. I know this shit was amazing back during the Civil War. But having a loading gate renders it obsolete. Sure, a trained shooter can reload an empty Henry rifle faster than one with a loading-gate lever-gat, but the point of a loading-gate is topping off your rifle every time you fire a couple of shots.

>>33661237
Doesn't matter, can't top off easily.

Whether that's important to you or not is a different question entirely.

>>33670069
>can't top off easily.
false.

>>33670098
Shoo Henry shill.

>>33658377

mmmm I can't wait. a henry .410 lever is on my list ugh

>>33663656
wut.

That's a factory configuration with a factory-correct Lyman #21 receiver sight and a factory-correct saddlering delete (which is necessary to mount the Lyman).

Other than it looks like it was factory reblued a good handful of years ago I see nothing wrong with it.

>>33670098
look, I'm actually a pretty big fan of Henry myself, and can reload with a tube way faster than I can with a loading gate...but you can't top off a tube faster and more safely than a loading gate. That's the loading gate's big advantage.

>>33670098
>push 1 round through a loading gate. Total time: around 1 second
vs.
>take a 2-3 foot long stick out of the front of your LOADED rifle, which requires pointing the LOADED rifle in the general direction of your face (unless you're slenderman), run the risk of it barfing rounds everywhere when the shitty plastic follower gets hung up in the tube and drags rounds out. Then drop a single round in.
Total time: 30 seconds-1 minute not counting potential ambulance ride

You also can't have the very sexy half or button mags with a tube loader, and you can't have a strong takedown model.

>>33663771

>SHOOT HER
>SHOOT HER

>>33670162
>more safely
not faster, safety is your only point but if you dont know how to lower a hammer its your own fault.

I was taking a look at a Savage model 99 in .308. How is it compared to something like a Browning BLR?

>>33670194
I mean, yeah, but you still gotta admit it just feels kinda off putting your hand in front of a loaded barrel

>>33670240
Sure, but only if you dont think logically.

>>33670281
Shoo. Shoo.

>>33669456
The Henry Big Boy 16.5" Carbine is exactly what you want, except no loading gate. Which sucks because I want the exact same

>>33665324
>I...I like losing it like a little kid rifle, and not being able top the rifle off without having a loaded gun pointing at my hand
>loading in a vehicle is a paid.
>what is buyers remorse

>>33663384
>>33669328
ive wanted one for so long, theyre really that good?

the 45 models seem kinda shit, and thats what you see most often, and I was worried about the neutered stock being a bitch to handle

>>33670133
The #21 peep sight is so fucking sexy.

>>33670401
Damn straight it is.

Too bad originals sell for $500+ and the only company making repros requires you to re-tap your receiver because original Winchesters used a retarded thread pattern that's no longer produced anywhere.

>>33670367
God damn autocorrect

>Henryfags poo-pooing an invention that rendered their tube-load guns obsolete 150 years ago

>>33670375
It's not like its hard to use. I still love mine (its .44 mag so it kicks like a -mule- stallion). But with a full stock it would be better.

>>33670219
you could also consider the Winchester model 88, which was available in .308

>>33669477
Which has no bearing on their mechanical ability and doesn't nothing be show that they were smart enough to pull that degree of trickery.

You chose to ignore Beretta, Benelli, Franchi, Cosmi and half a dozen high end shotgun makers, as well as Tanfoglio, Uberti and Pedersoli

>>33670219
Significantly more fragile.

>>33670484
>Beretta, Benelli, Franchi, Cosmi
All owned by Pietro Beretta
>Tangfolio, Uberti
Also owned by Pietro Beretta
AFAIK there is no Italian firearms or firearms parts manufacturer not owned by Beretta. They also own most of the German ones that aren't owned by HK, several Turkish companies, a Brazilian company, and others. They're literally bigger than ATK and Freedom Group combined.

>>33670524
>AFAIK there is no Italian firearms or firearms parts manufacturer not owned by Beretta.

I don't believe that either Chiappa or Pietta are part of Beretta.

>>33670367
This shit is nonsensical

>>33670524
Kinda pushes the point home doesn't it

I know the Benelli M3 is the SPAS-12 perfected, but I really wish they would at least do a SPAS furniture kit or something

>>33670524
They also own almost all of the ammunition manufacturing in Europe. Eley, NSI, Valsella, Prvi Partizan, Aguila, Brenneke, Fiocchi, and Norma.
>clarification
It's Beretta Holding Group, which owns all of it, but it's CEO'd by the same guy that CEO's Pietro Beretta.

>>33670604
You're correct, forgot about them.

>>33670667
Oh, they also own Sako and Steiner, have a minority share of Swarovski, 2 NVG/thermals companies in SEA including 1 in China, and Russian Eagle in Russia.

>>33664137
How different is Syrupnig Copenhagen from American Copenhagen?

>>33670803
It's ground maple leaves instead of tobacco.

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Would one of these be a bad choice?

https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/mobile/product/41204/marlin_guide_45-70_ss_185_wal

How are new production Marlins?

>>33670618
Yeah, you're retarded if you can't make sense of that. And retarded for thinking a loading tube is more convenient than a loading gate. Plus I said autocorrect fucking hates me

>>33670885
If you don't mind me asking, why are you looking for a .45-70 levergun? The uses for which the would be the best choice are relatively limited.

Henry would be so much better with a loading gate.

>>33671019
Then it would just be a Winchester design. I guess what I'm saying is that there is no reason for Henry to exist.

>>33670978
Because I want a fun brush gun for hiking in SWFL and need something that can instantly down a hog, panther, or black bear thru heavy brush.

>>33671109
Henry exists as a lower cost alternative to Winchester's 'muh wild west heritage' prices. I don't want to pay an extra $1500 for a loading gate on the same rifle.

>>33671142
If it's for defense against aggressive wildlife you would be better suited with a semi-auto shotgun.

I know its not a lever but I am excited as fuck for the single shot henrys.

Will be ordering a brass .44mag and brass 45-70 pair.

>>33671180
You've missed the crucial "design" part of "Winchester design". There are plenty of other manufacturers of 1866, 1873, 1886, and 1892 pattern rifles below the price point of Winchester-branded ones.

>>33671225
Care to help me out then? I want a 1873 in 357/38 . Who makes a good one that isn't in the $1600+ range?

>>33671238
MSRP on an Uberti is under that.

https://www.uberti-usa.com/1873-rifle-and-carbine

>>33671186
This is why posting on /k/ is horrible

Someone asks a question, some else gives a completely unrelated answer and asks other questions, then recommends something completely different that serves the same role.

Just don't answer if the guy wants something you don't approve of.

>>33671359
>this is why talking about guns with anyone is horrible

>>33671359
Why does that fact that a .45-70 levergun may not be optimal for someone's intended use get you so fanny-flustered? The simple truth is that big bore leverguns are good for hunting big game in close brush and not a whole lot else beyond owning one for the sake of owning one (not that there is anything wrong with that).

>>33671433
Some people still use matches to light a cigarette, they're not wrong for not using a zippo.

>>33671186
>through brush

while I don't doubt what a slug would do, straight-walled rifle cartridges are gonna be a hell of a lot more accurate. A good dependable Marlin 45-70 is gonna cost less than a good dependable semi-auto shotgun.

Also, this thread is for levergats, so fuck off with your shotgun.

>>33671487
>straight-walled rifle cartridges are gonna be a hell of a lot more accurate
Not for the usage outlined in the question it wont, and assuming shotguns aren't accurate is a bit silly, especially if a rifled barrel is used. Nothing about the exchange was invalid

>>33671487
>straight walled rifle cartridges are gonna be a hell of a lot more accurate
At "defense against bears/gators/panthers/hogs" distances you literally couldn't measure the difference with a micrometer.
>a good dependable .45-70 is gonna cost less than a good dependable semi-auto shotgun
Beretta A300's start at $500. You can find 11-87 Sportsman's for $400 new and $300 used. Sooo...no.
>inb4 those aren't reliable
The Remington 1100 still holds the world records for longest MRBF and longest all-time rounds without failure in semi shotguns despite being introduced in fucking 1963, and actually beat the Mossberg 590 in both categories. And the 11-87 is an 1100 with a default 3" receiver, everything else is identical to an 1100 Magnum.

If you want a levergat, get a levergat. .45-70 is a great round and a ton of fun, but it IS inferior to a semi shotgun with slugs.

>>33671570
Even with the factory smoothbore and cheap Foster-style slugs a semi shotgun is minute-of-deer-vitals (3 consecutive rounds within a 6" circle) to between 90 and 120 yards depending on how well your shotgun likes a specific load. Which is plenty far for a wildlife defense gun.

>>33671601
>inb4 those aren't reliable
And that's generally only ever been with cheap low brass, which isn't an issue with slugs anyway

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>>33671186
>slugs
>for grizz

>>33671444
And if my well-being depended on lighting those cigarettes in a hurry, I'd probably go for the Zippo. And regardless of personal preference, you'd be wrong if you tried to claim the matches were just as effective.

>>33671788
Nobody is taking your zippo away, so stop trying to take away my matches.

>>33671759
Why yes, slugs would be a good choice for protection from grizzlies. Not that Anon would be in much danger of coming across a grizzly in southwest Florida.

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>>33671759
You tell me...
Not like a guy has ever taken water buffalo at 230 yards with a super black eagle

>>33671813
>missing the point entirely

Anon wants a gun for defense against wildlife. There are better options than a levergun.

>>33671759
>more than sufficient penetration
>adequate capacity
>truly devastating wound channel the entire length of the wound channel (unlike literally every rifle round ever)
>reliable semi's chambered in 12ga capable of shooting slugs are significantly lighter and cheaper than reliable semi's chambered in full-power rifle rounds
>controllable recoil
Yes, they are actually an excellent choice for grizz

>>33671848
No, you're the one missing the point.

Anon wants a levergun that just so happens to be adequate defense against the denizens of Florida. Emphasis on "anon wants a levergun"

>>33671864
Anon wants a fun brush gun for use possible use against dangerous animals. He happened to be asking about a lever gun,he never specified that it HAD to be a lever gun. Brush gun encompasses many guns

>>33671848
The only better option than a lever .45-70 for defense from wildlife, is an AR chambered in a fat as fuck round like .50 beo or .458 socom; and at that point what are you planning on facing, hordes of zombie alligators?

>>33671864
not our fault if he's looking for the wrong gun, and we're under no obligation to pretend he's right

>>33671900
the memes are strong with this one

>>33671914
True or false, a heavy flat nose round is more effective in thick brush than ANY sptizer round?

>>33656507

As someone who is interested in purchasing a lever for general fun and possibly hunting in the future, what caliber should I be looking at? The Henry octagonal model seems to be rather quite highly, but it comes in a variety of sizes (357mag, 44mag 45-70, etc). Should I be choosing something that's affordable like 357, or is it the "go big or go home" mentality (AKA go with 45-70)?

>>33671914
>open a lever gun thread
>shill semi auto shotguns and meme 3 dollar slugs
>everyone who doesn't buy a semisuto shotgun is stupid
Why are you here?

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>>33657238
HOT

>>33671941
>Why are you here?

to talk about leverguns, not to pretend they are perfect for every application

sorry if that triggers you

>>33671923
Mostly false. If you're shooting through shit that will deflect a spitzer round that same shit will deflect a flat-nosed round. Not to the same degree, but more often than not it will be enough.

>>33671928
Pretty much all of the non-.22lr offerings are adequate for deer and smaller, including Henry's new .327fedmag offering. Going older things like .44-40 and .38-40 would work within 100 yards but are marginal, and shit like .32-20 and .25-20 are pretty anemic (though I have killed deer at very close range with my .25-20).

So. What do you intend on possibly hunting in the future? Current production leverguns encompass pretty much everything from the smallest of rimfires to the most recent crop of spitzer short-ultramags.

>>33671928
If you think you will hunt medium game, get something in .30-30, otherwise .357 would be a great choice. Going with .45-70 is unnecessary unless your plans involve big game.

>>33671950
As a brush gun they are fine, if you think follow up shots are more important then there's plenty of .308 loadings that are optimized for dangerous game and you get a lot more shots quicker that way.

Or in your words, not to pretend semi auto shotguns are perfect for every application

sorry if that triggers you

>>33671974

Nothing fucking crazy like bears I'd imagine. It's probably going to be the standard game of your average deer. I just figured the novelty of a fuckhuge round like 45-70 might be fun for at the range.

>>33671978

357mag was one of my first thoughts, since I already have a bunch of the stuff lying around from other guns. That, and it doesn't cost $1.00+ per round.

>>33672020
.357 would even be good for smaller deer at close ranges, but .30-30 would be a better choice for deer.

>>33671999
What makes a man this butthurt? Did his father rape him with a shotgun as a child?

>>33672020
The novelty is fun until you realize that unless you reload you're stuck paying 90 cents plus a round for it.
>tfw I have a .405 for exactly this reason and yes even with reloading it's expensive af

.357 from a rifle is nothing to sneeze at. It gains a lot of velocity and hits pretty fucking hard out to around 150 yards. It would be the cheapest option as you can also plink with .38spl and even the good hunting .357 is cheaper than the cheapest .30-30. .44mag offers more at the muzzle but is more expensive and doesn't gain quite as much, so you'll not get a flatter shooting rifle.

>>33671900
>The only better option than a lever .45-70 for defense from wildlife
Dude don't even start with that. Most other lever gun, pump rifles, shotguns or semi auto rifles on magnum pistol, intermediate or full power loads are perfectly fine for that because we aren't talking about and bear go down after several rounds. Whatever you can hit with is fine in North America

Big game hunting and animal defense aren't the same thing

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>>33671923
Who said anyone was limited to spitzers?

>>33671941
The guy stated his purpose and was given the suggestion for a less expensive gun that CAN use DGS slugs or cheap as birdshot instead of .45-70. Have you seen what cheap .45-70 costs. Nobody is shilling, it's a valid suggestion for the intended role and the requires the anon layer out. You can keep bitching or YOU could actually post leverguns if the thread was so important to you

>>33671928

Split the middle and get comfy with a .44 mag.

That is hands down my all time favorite cartridge.

>>33671974
>Mostly false. If you're shooting through shit that will deflect a spitzer round that same shit will deflect a flat-nosed round. Not to the same degree, but more often than not it will be enough.
Why do you have to be such a disgusting liar? Watch link related before acting like you have ever even seen a comparison.
https://www.youtube.com

/watch?v=P5dve7vAY9I

>>33672124
granted, any flat nose will work, from 30-30 up; ANY spitzer shaped bullet is substandard for thick brush.

>>33672184
Good video, though I would caution about trying to draw too much statistical relevance from only three rounds each.

>>33671923
actually probably true, IraqVet8888 just did a video testing it out

>>33672184
To be fair, all that really did was show that heavier is better. Not that I disagree completely with flat and fat being better but this isn't a great test

>>33671487
>A good dependable Marlin 45-70 is gonna cost less than a good dependable semi-auto shotgun.
Only by a few bucks. Vepr-12s can be had for $799 at Atlantic, which are a lot more weatherproof than the blued-n-walnut basic 1895.

>>33670803
It's older and drier and 10x more expensive

>>33672461
just like your mom's vagina

>45-70 have curved stock
>all others have straight stock
Why the fuck do they do this

>>33670133
only proper 1895 is a russian contract model


fight me on it

>>33657177
>>33656671
the winchester 94 is the quintessential levergat. marlinfags and homohenrys stfu

>>33672925
>those scuffmarks
This is why I love brass guns but would never buy one

>>33672150
burn it with fire !

>>33673093
technically I think that's gold-plated steel

>>33658332
Your wallet is a complete cunt anyway. You should probably go for an 1895 just to show it who's boss

>>33657567
Is that a Fender cab down the bottom there?

Beautiful rifle, btw. Thankfully lever guns are still available under basic licenses here in our neutered nanny state (Ausfag).

>>33656507
What is the cheapest lever action firearm chambered in .357 with a loading gate available for purchase?

>>33673620
Rossi M92, probably. If you don't mind the firing pin safety (which is actually pretty handy for unloading despite how ugly it is) and parts made in Brazil.

So are modern Marlins back to good quality or what?

>>33673057
Yeah we know, you love ammo that used to be dirt cheap but you don't have to be retarded anymore

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got a marlin 336.

is a loose trigger as normal as I hear it is?

>>33673057
Teddy Roosevelt disagrees and says your x54r is for pussies. .405win is where it's at.

>>33674343
>>33674455
it's not just the ammo

the concept of a military issued full lenght stock lever action rifle musket just tingles my inner guntism

>>33674459
They made 1895 muskets under military contract in .30-03, .303brit, .30-40 Krag, and .30-06 as well.

It's already been said, it doesn't HAVE to be a Russian contract gun and saying as such makes you either a slavaboo or an idiot.

Just got an 1895GBL like a month ago. The loading gate is so fucking stiff but otherwise it is a great levergat. I've left a snapcap in a position that fully depresses the loading gate, which seemed to help a little, but not as much as I'd like. Any advice? Also whats with the sharp edges on the reciever inside the loading gate???

>>33674575
There should be a little screw right in front of the loading gate. Loosen that just a hair to loosen the loading gate tension.

Marlins tend to have pretty stiff loading gates in my experience

>>33658332
My grandad has an 1895 in 30-40 Krag that has been on more hunts, and killed more deer than I ever will.

I want to hunt pigs. They are feral here so we don't even collect them unless we want the meat.
I really want to just fuck up the pig brutally.
Is 45-70 a good choice for this?
I'm really unaware of popular lever calibers.
Additionally, is anyone able to recommend a good manufacturer?

>>33674790
45-70 is g. 45. Only got tossed can match 454 and is cheap as fuck if that matters to you.

>>33674803
Jesus fuck. In English that said. 4(-70 is good, but expensive. I use a hot tossed 45 colt that matches some 454. Works just fine for me and is better than .44 magnum by a stretch

>>33674803
>>33674813
I see, thanks.
May I ask why it's called 45-70, or 30-30?
Is it caliber/length?

>>33674842
It's originally a BP round, so. .45 caliber bullet, with 70 grains of BP, and that is why it's called 45-70. I believe 30-30 is the same. 30 caliber bullet with 30 grains of BP and that gave you a pretty decent round back in the day

>>33674869
I take it they're now smokeless powder when fired from modern levers?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zruU2xLcm1o&t=399s

Holy fuck

>>33674872
Yes, although many loads are significantly weaker than they should be because of manufacturers unwillingness to trust a customer not putting a hot as fuck smokeless load in an old BP gun

>>33674872
Yes thy are much more powerful now days. Which is why 45 colt is weak cowboy rounds from factory, because old colts could only handle those. Ruger revolvers and Winchester lever gats and clones can handle ruger +p ammo which is stronger than .44 magnum at lower pressures because the case is huge.

>>33670959
This is some top tier damage control.

>>33674869
>>33674872
>>33674979
.30-30 was never a black powder cartridge.

>The .30 Winchester Smokeless first appeared in Winchester's catalog No. 55, dated August 1895. As chambered in the Winchester Model 1894 carbine and rifle, it was also known as .30 Winchester Center Fire or .30 WCF. When the cartridge was chambered in the Marlin Model 1893 rifle, rival gunmaker Marlin used the designation .30-30 or .30-30 Smokeless. The added -30 stands for the standard load of 30 grains (1.9 g) of early smokeless powder, according to late-19th century American naming conventions for black powder-filled cartridges.

>>33671198
What's the draw for you?

Is it just cost? Or is it something else that you like about the single shot aspect?

>>33663960
>>marlin
sorry henry

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I bought one not too long ago. I think i need too replace the extractor though. It had a few FTEs.

>>33675738
Before anyone asks, yes I'm Australian

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I recently picked up this Henry .22lr for about $340 out the door

When I got home and checked the bore it was so fouled that I'm guessing it had never been cleaned. Deposits all throughout and it was black as soot. I put about 40 patches through it after hitting it with 2 brass brushes and got that shit sparkling like new, and the bore was actually in great shape under all that crud.

Took it out shooting yesterday, put a box of 300 through it and was easily popping water bottles at 70yds. I'm happy with my purchase, tube mags don't really bother me

>>33675168
That's a good question since the draw is normally a cheap rifle, which the Henry won't be. For example, the .500 and .460S&W handi-rifles

Single shots are fun in their own way but I would much rather have a Ruger No.1

>>33675823
Retail is like 450 lad it's going to be a very cheap rifle

>>33657213
>>33661328
>>33661439
Yeah, if you can find an older Rossi without all the extraneous safety crap they're really nice. I have an old all-stainless Rossi 92 in .357 that is every bit as nice as the newer Marlins. Sadly I would not recommend the Rossis made today, you can feel the difference.

>>33670978
The .45-70 can and has killed every animal that walks this Earth. I may never need to perforate a raging bear or a charging wildabeast, but knowing that I have the tools to do so is cool as hell.

>>33658452
I had one of the turkroach ones Corwin was selling. I tried it out and sold it a week later :^)

>>33671848
No, you're missing the point.
>Hey guys, what's the best match to accomplish this task?
>Get a zippo
>I don't want a zippo, I want matches
>No, fuck you, matches are bad, get a zippo.

I've been looking at lever-actions recently, but I have a nice lathe, and a few other goodies to dick around with. What's the possibility of me milling a lever-action in a caliber that would something in .50 or more?

(I wanna break my shoulders)

>>33675867
That's cheap for a bolt action, not a single shot

>>33677428
I think you're the one that specifically wants a lever action since anon merely gave his reason for looking at the 45-70 in the first place before you took it personally and it because a discussion between 3 people not including the anon that asked

>>33677568
Do you have any actual machining experience at all

>>33677568
How long you got and do you know what the fuck you are doing?

No, you don't you are a shitposting kid who can't use his father's drill unsupervised much less a mill.