Can anyone tell me what these two guns are?

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>>33655801
an Iver Johnson top break revolver (3rd model probably) and a 32 acp pistol most likely of Spanish origin. post better pics if you want to know more

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What sort of better pictures should I take then

>>33655801
Heckler and Coke

>>33655879
pictures that clearly show any markings on the guns that would help identify them

>>33655879
Anything with logos, serial numbers, proof marks, and company names.

>>33655801
>>33655879
That's a "Ruby Type." A Spanish made knock off of a Browning. It's mostly likely in 7.65mm AKA .32 Auto.

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What can you tell from this stuff?

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>>33656214

There's also stars on it and the receiver says AK on one side

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Also these are the only marks on this one

What's their clip size ?

>>33656304

The revolver holds 5 and the Auto holds 9

>>33656214
Made in Guernica Spain for the french during WWI. (Alkartasuna means solidarity in Basque, which is somewhat fitting, considering part of the Basque country is in France).

Here's another example: https://www.gunsamerica.com/923668825/S-A-Alkartasuna-Fabrica-DF-Armas-Guernica-32-ACP-French-Military-Pistol.htm

>>33656214

>>33656414 here. forgot to add, the writing above the logo has faded, but it should say "ALKAR". In case you want to google it.

>>33656414

How come the barrel looks different though? Did some guy think it was cool to put an extendo barrel on it or something? What should I do with this thing?

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>>33655801
>>33656288
Im not up on Iver Johnson roll marks anymore but I can say with great certainty, judging by your first pic, that thats an iver johnson saftey automatic break top revolver and that its a third model based on the style of break latch and the lack of a trigger safety.

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>>33656436
It looks to me like the gun is part way disassembled as these guns are disassembled by pulling the barrel out the front of the gun

>>33656226
The stars are French acceptance marks. Yours was used by France in WWI. I don't know why it has a long barrel like that. It probably wouldn't have had that originally, but with Ruby pistols there is a lot of variations so I can't be sure about that.

>>33656912
That uniform is aesthetic as fuck. Why can't the US just re-introduce that as a dress uniform?

>>33656912

Does that mean it's pretty new?

>>33658552
if by new you mean over 100 years old then yeah its pretty new

>>33658552
These are very old guns and might potentially be in firing condition, but should probably be inspected by a competent gunsmith first just to be sure.

Also some of the older top-break revolvers cannot safely fire modern smokeless loaded ammunition, which in the case of .32 or .38 S&W is rare. The automatic pistol is a derivative of the Gabilondo Ruby design and appears to be partially disassembled. If/when put back together it might work and probably fires .32 ACP which would be safe since it was a smokeless cartridge from the get-go, but an inspection of the gun first would never the less be prudent.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQSPKYu1-vw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8K0FC5PXng

>tfw need a French marked Ruby
;_;