Any Califags use this stock? Thoughts?

>>33655159
ugly as fuck.
hera cqr is the only way to go since you can remove thumbhole

>>33655159
DON'T COMPLY GODDAMIT

FUCK

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Nope. We just put a fixed stock and remove the flash hider for a comp.

Then we attach a kydex grip wrap and say bye bye to the bullet button. Is it stupid? Yes, but not as bad as they say.

>>33655286
I'm just getting one to take it to the range with

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Just go with this and not be completely gay

>>33655159
>Any Califags use this stock? Thoughts?

It's a decent option. The guy who invented it is pretty cool too.

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Get a bumpfire

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You know, if we actually passed a voters initiative in California that required an agency to actually check up on people in regards to guns by tapping all forms of communication, it would literally cause a civil war or it would make California confront reality and back off a bit on the gun laws. It would be essentially be the ultimatum that uses their own voter base against them. Of course, that could end badly too. But it might be funny to watch regardless of your stance.

While the riots were going on today in Berkeley, I was at an unnamed range in Northern California practicing my marksmanship. It was a Saturday, so there were LOTS of AR's out at the range today, all with restricted features, out in the open, and nobody cared. We can legally justify this because, under the law, those features are still okay as long as you register your rife as an assault rifle, and who's to say who has or hasn't? It's not as if I'm going to go around checking. Or as if anyone else is - this particular range is used by two local police departments for their own practice, so the cops are there all the time, and none of them give a shit, either. Local cops all know that the problems with gun crime in their neighborhood aren't being caused by guys with $1000 custom-built AR's topped by $500 optics, but by dindus and cholos armed with creaky $50 used Hi-Points.

>>33657342
Its California. Whoever wins, we get to watch and not give a fuck.

>>33656191
I actually like the way that looks. Looks weird when paired with that handguard though.

I have to move from California to NY later this year. Why is it so hard to figure out what's legal in New York?

It's so easy in California--you just go to calguns, they have a nice flowchart, and you just gotta look up the new laws taking effect in 2018.

In New York, absolutely fucking nobody seems to know what the fuck is going on

>>33657496
This, any of you who spent money on compliance parts is retarded because no one at the range cares and now your rifle is tactically worthless. Sure you can remove the part in a few minutes when shtf or you move, but that is never going to happen, and you're more likely than not to use a cucked rifle forever. Just don't do questionable things with your AWs and you'll be fine.

>>33658368
Because New Yorkers don't give a shit, whereas Commiefornians, especially Calgunners, bend over backwards to comply.

>>33658389
We have activist judges over here trying to get us life for possession. Compliance is necessary until we get them out.

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>>33655159
>>33655351
>>33656191
Aesthetically, the SCR is far superior.

>>33655159
[spoiler]its a cuck stock but i actually like it, i think angled grips are top tier for comfiness[/spoiler]

>>33658671
Ideally without the fuck-ugly bipod and a wood handguard instead of ugly meme rails.

>>33655351
how do you even hold that?
do you just slide your thumb up?
how the fuck does this prevent shootings besides discomforting the shooters thumb?

>>33658671
if the handguard wasnt tacticool and just a smooth design or wood it would be good

>>33658695
Yeah, fully agreed.

>>33658383
When shtf I'll be nuked at work so it doesn't really matter either way. Noncomply on principle, not because you're preparing for shtf

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>>33655159
Fuck that go find someone to print you out a warfairy stock like this one.
Use a normal aluminum lower reciever.

>>33657496
Different state but I walked into a range the first time after I got my SBR with a copy of my stamp. The guy at the counter told me he could care less if I had a tax stamp or not

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Kydex wrap should piss off the dems the most. Now we can reload as fast as free states while they accomplished nothing in reducing gang and gun violence.

What I want to know is who thought we'd all go crack action reload or patriot mag release...

Featureless rifle for me allows me to actually do 3 gun stages now, lol.

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Plus it's literally 3 screws between the wrap and normal pistol grip.

They wrote themselves into a corner with this law.

>>33659022
This baffles me the most. Featureless has always been an option, but everyone went with bullet button. Now that bullet button doesn't work, people act like featureless is some amazing new loophole.

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Also any chance the Supreme Court will rule that states rights have precedence UNTIL they infringe upon the rights of it's citizens?

True national reciprocity when?

>>33659043
>They wrote themselves into a corner with this law.
Howso? What's the corner?

Won't they just change the law again in a few years? Or did their law this time somehow preclude changing it again?

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>>33659048
Probably because people cared more about ergonomics (collapsing buttstock and pistol grip) than being able to speed reload.

Now that we HAVE to do fixed mag or featureless everyone is seeing the light.

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>>33659085
They can keep poking the bear I suppose but I think 8 million gun owners in the state will finally vote as a block once they go too far.

Featureless was an option to keep traditional hunting stocks legal. Now it's being used to leverage cucked AR15s and other modern sporting rifles.

>>33658846
Every old hick I know has a pump shotgun cut down to like 14", they don't even realize it's illegal and nobody cares

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With any luck the "5 Californias" initiative will happen and people can actually have self determination.

Sacramento, LA, and SF BTFO.

>>33659121
What if they just make another law that bans all semi-auto rifles flat-out and leave lever and bolt fudd guns alone? Yeah it'd piss off the few fuds that hunt with Remington Model 8's.... but how many of those are there?

>>33659575
That's the last straw they are unwilling to touch. Instead they will attack "features" of semi autos.

>>33658671
They don't exist anymore.

Ares is now Fite lite and while I guarantee the ARES SCR is selling more than their shitty belt fed MCR, they really don't like advertising, improving to promoting the SCR.

>>33655351
>we

Yea not everyone is a cuck like you and obeys draconian laws

>>33659575
They tried that a long time ago like in 2008 and it was the first time Californian Gun owners actually grew balls and protested openly about banning all semi autos.

>>33657496
Well technically your AR does need to be registered until 12/31/17 so as of right now there's no legal issue with it being 'featured' or not.

Next year who knows.

>>33658687
you don't use the thumb
you basically lay the gun in your hand without wrapping the thumb around
doing things one handed (reload, pull CH, etc) requires you to jam it into your armpit or against your arm so the gun doesn't flop around

>>33658671
It's not an AR though. You can't modify your current gun into that configuration the recoil system is completely different.

So you could buy an ACR or you could buy literally any other compliant rifle.

>>33659793
they actually tried that in 2013 but brown vetoed it
once newsome gets in they'll do it

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>>33659862
The majority of fellow cali bros I know break the law in some way or another. Whether it's standard cap magazines or raddlocks they switch in the desert, they all do something.

Compliance is only for the public range, so stop thinking everyone is laying down and taking it.

>>33659920
Once they do try again, should we make some repeating crossbows? That would really fuck with their heads.

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Soon it will be hipster to own a gun in california. Consider it a "fight the power" movement.

Travis Haley is going to be making so much money convincing that "workspace" is the new Wayfarer Raybans.

>>33657561
>>33656191
Any way we can build this to look more like a little PDW from bf3? I might actual consider an ar if possible ( ca of course)
Not even like the PDW, just not that stock with the hansguard

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>>33655286
>doesn't comply
>takes gun outside
>gets fucked up by secret California police
>Feinstein and co. uses incident as another reason to push more gun control

>>33659845
Is it no longer being produced/sold? But it's selling more than their MCR?

Why the fuck don't they license the SCR to other manufacturers? There is clearly a demand for it, but the jackasses patented it (least novel patent ever? They stuck a rat-tail on an AR bolt, just like a FAL bolt...)

>>33659918
Honestly I live in a free state but I'm lusting after a SCR. I want to build a SCR with all walnut furniture. I think it would make my penis feel very good. Regular ARs are just meh. Utilitarian, but not sexy.

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>>33659997
Same company also makes a little P90ish foregrip.

>>33660136
This rifle is pretty fucking aesthetic with that fore-grip, and when the cali thumbhole blocker thing isn't inserted.

>>33660070
i'm not entirely sure what that anon was talking about. fightlite is still making SCRs. they sent out a bunch a month ago and you can order directly from them if you don't want to go through a distributor. they probably make more cash off of direct sales because no middleman to give a wholesale price to.

>>33660154
Thanks for the clarification senpai.

I think they're missing a good opportunity by not selling these preconfigured with beautiful wood aesthetics. If they were marketing these configured with nice checkered wood stocks, I think they'd sell like hotcakes in every state.

Do people actually LIKE the black rifle aesthetic? I'm sure some people do... but I can't help but feel their sales would go through the roof if they gave these rifles a better presentation.

They should hire me as a consultant. Maybe I should send them a letter telling them that.

>>33660191
Oh yeah, with a low profile gasblock and a full length wood handguard. That would be best rifle.

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Someone buy my CA compliant Kel-Tec RDB

>>33660261
But if we do, we can't register it right?

>>33660136
That is pretty nice.
I wonder how it would look as a non SBR though

Are Bulgarian makarovs ca legal?

>>33660297
No, you cannot register this rifle if you were to buy it. only Pre-01/01/2017 purchased rifles can be registered. Golden deal though is that you don't have to register this rifle; it's featureless. If you want to shoot it without the featureless parts, take the featureless parts off in good company and have at it.

>>33660336
What's your price for this?

>>33660261

God I think I might know you

You work in a small town gun shop?

Also how much you selling that for?

>>33660356
For what you see in the pic, $1800. It cost me close to $2k to get in CA.

>>33660368
>You work in a small town gun shop?
I did for a while. The place on the farm. Long dirt road driveway. I finally found a biochemistry job down south.

Also how much you selling that for?
$1800. I have it on consignment at that gun shop for $2K

>>33660481
Yikes, that's too rich for my blood

>>33659955
>double dubs
this man speaks the truth

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>>33660043
Your mentality is the epitome of weakness.

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>>33660500
aight. FWIW, it's incredibly fun to shoot. If you wear a shirt with breast pockets, the rifle will eject your empty cases into said pocket. It really simplifies brass pick up

>>33660481

God, yeah I did meet you. Congrats on finding that job.

Also why are you getting rid of the RDB? You said it was an absolute nightmare to get into the state in the first place, why not just hold onto it?

>>33660578
It's a small world, even on this website.

I need the money right now. I'm moving to live closer to my new job, and moving is expensive. I figure I'll eventually move out-of-state and buy another, later in life.

>>33660617

Funny because right after I met you I thought, man I really bet that guy is a /k/ommando. Also literally who else owns an RDB in CA

Hopefully where you're moving is still relatively accommodating in terms of funs, I know it's hard to beat this place though

>>33660664
You guessed correctly.

>Also literally who else owns an RDB in CA
Less than 10 people, and I have the only one for sale. It's at the shop right now if you want to check it out on Monday.

As for moving, honestly, anywhere would be better than CA. Cost of living just isn't worth it anymore.

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>>33660525
>>33659955
It's trip dubs, senpai

>>33660736
I asked my brother if he wanted an RDB and he told me to low ball you $1600 to get a $1700 offer. Will you consider $1700? What area are you located?

>>33661039
I thought I put my email, here it is.

>>33655159
I have one. I took it off when I moved. It moves my finger a bit too much rearward for my taste, but it works. I should probably sell it for cheap since I lost a few screws.

>>33660736
How did you get the 30 inch overall length?

>>33660736
>Cost of living just isn't worth it anymore.
Very true. Some places in CA are just through the roof. it's ridiculous
I love this state but this state really does make it hard for people to live here

And I'd love to check it out but I'm sick AF right now. Maybe I'll take a look later but I'm not really in the market for a new rifle, kinda short on money too.

>>33661045
I'll email you tomorrow. I'll take the strike eagle and mount off and sell it for $1500.

>>33661136
Faux suppressor adds 5.5"

>>33661197
Oh hell, I thought that was barebones price.

>>33660307
I'm not sure exactly so don't quote me, but ca has a gun roster for handguns, anything on it, am FFL can order new. However, that doesn't mean anything off of it is illegal, it just means that an FFL cant legally order it.
For example, the sig p938 isn't on this list so I can't order it new.
But I could buy it from John, who moved here from Arizona a week ago. And it would be perfectly fine (would have to go through ffl) but it would work. Now I imagine thats the same for the mak. The hard part is knowing if the ffl can order it from gunbroker

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>>33655159
Holy fuck everything about that is bad

Just don't comply, Jesus.

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Also, anyone attending the calguns "super secret zombie shoot" April 21-23?

>>33661423
>But I could buy it from John, who moved here from Arizona a week ago.

John would be in deep shit for doing that, you can't import off-orster handguns without an FFL or if you're not a LEO.

Legally he would have to sell/destroy his off-roster handguns before moving to CA.

>>33661490
>>33661517
What's up Lizerd

What's that even about?

>>33655159
I dont get it, cant you just keep a spare pistol grip, stock, 30rnd mags, etc. and put those on if SHTF.

Also why do you comply to what is possibly the dumbest laws ever created.

>>33658671
>AR
>wooden furniture
This kills the liberal

>>33659043
>Plus it's literally 3 screws between the wrap and normal pistol grip.
Forgive a question from a nofunz Brit, but wtf is that thing attached to the grip? is it designed to make the weapon system inaccurate by preventing you from holding it correctly?

>>33658781
that isn't california legal though, if thumbhole stocks were legal people would fucking use the same stocks people had on their ARs during the AWB

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>>33662196
>is it designed to make the weapon system inaccurate by preventing you from holding it correctly?
Not really. "pistol grip" is a phrase that soccer moms in america associate with the rifle somehow being more deadly. Liberal politicians don't want to offend anyone so the laws they write are written "with public safety in mind, to ban dangerous features" this way they can say they aren't trying to get rid of guns all together, but make as many guns as possible illegal to own. These grips and funny stocks are designed to be as close to the original while still complying with the exact wording of the law. Liberals call them loopholes because they know the intent of the law is to get rid of the guns all together when, in reality, this is literally compliance with the law.

If you think this little state-level shit is confusing, pic related is a 100% factual description of some of our federal definitions.

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>>33662439
So it's the gun community's way around the verbiage of the law.

Liberals can't outright ban AR15 rifles since that's an infringement of 2A in a court of law but they can ban features that AR15s have essentially have the same effect.

What traditional hunting rifles have:
-Integrated grip with stock which also cannot be adjusted
-No ability to attach a muzzle device
-Usually single action (bolt gun) and then by design a integrated magazine

So using a Remington 700 has a visual and definition of a California good guy Fudd rifle, a featureless AR is more or less an long rifle in the eyes of the law. Since the wrap prevents the pistol grip from being held like a pistol (IE not like a beer can) it can't legally be called a pistol grip.

Hope this helps. We're fighting not to become Britain over here.

>>33658781
Hideous

>>33660043
pussy

they can't arrest everyone if nobody complies

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>>33662712
It's the felony charges that get most people.

Think about it, gun owners mostly get guns because they're at least working class people with some means. People who are desperate or revolutionary have generally nothing to lose.

Getting slapped with a felony charge related to guns makes you a prohibited person = no guns, no job now that you're a felon, and no ability to appeal this judgment.

Anything short of open rebellion and marching on Sacramento does nothing for the California gun owner.

>>33655159
Is it time to water the tree of liberty with the blood of tyrants?

>>33662620
Yeah that's pretty much it. I think it's the wrong path to label different guns as "good guy fudd rifles" or "more or less a long rifle" there should be no differentiation, because that mentality leads to seeing one as "more dangerous" or "scarier" than another. And that's how people go along with the feature banning laws, they think it's about which guns are safe or not and the lawmakers keep pushing anti ar-15/ak-47 laws for the reason you mentioned, not being able to infringe on 2A.

It's all fucked and we are pretty far down the slope, I'm not positive the laws will ever change enough to get us back where we are a free country. I'm in NY and it's just about all liberals and fudds here so things like the SAFE act will continue to fly the way CA's bullshit keeps passing.

>>33661268
Hey,

If you see this, I just sent you an email from my throwaway yahoo account. I told you to find me on Calguns, and I gave you my username to PM me directly. I'll give you contact info then.

>>33661268
>>33663787
I forgot to put on my trip.

>>33658781
kys

Really the only way we're going to get these laws changed in California is to right out get rid of the laws that prevent Republicans from running for office. We have almost no pro-second amendment leadership, and we got lucky that brown shot down the semi auto ban. Gun laws will continue to get restrictive until blood hits the streets, unless we find a way to force pro-firearm individuals into the crucial points in our state government or force the supreme Court's hand, which would be significantly harder since the judges here try to prevent cases about these laws from appealing up past the 9th circus.

>>33659955
No, we just voted an ammo bill into power in 2018 and smelt-guns-for-gays Newsom will be the only candidate running for governor, california will sooner outright ban guns than loosen gun control.

Any case against gun control will take 37 years to reach the SCOTUS

>>33655286
>NEVER SHOOT YOUR GUNS EVER AGAIN
>I'D RATHER KEEP MY COOL LOOKING GUN IN A SAFE THAN SHOOT ONE THAT DOESN'T LOOK COOL
neck yourself

>>33655351
>>33656191
These are both way less practical than the rifle in OP.

Other than the fact that it looks like shit and changes the rifles ergonomics to be more mini-14 esque, it's pretty much the best option for people in cuck states that still want a practical rifle.

>>33655159
Cucked.jpg

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I wonder if you register a raddlock AR this summer if you can then open it up to its normal configuration.

Or will this be California's "SHOULDERING AN AR PISTOL CONSISTITUTES AN SBR".

>>33660529
Go build a machine gun and take it to the range right now if you're such a badass outlaw, faggot.

>>33659121
>finally vote as a block

Sure they will. If California gun owners haven't formed a bloc yet, they never will.

>>33661490
Do you comply with the NFA? If the answer is yes you're a hypocrite faggot.

>>33664085
by complying you are joining the wave of stupid politics, which will eventually lead to you never shooting again

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>>33664192
I identify as a California gun owner, an 8 million strong minority. I'm being opressed. SJWS, halp plz.

>>33661624
Congratulations, you figured out the big secret all on your own.

>>33661624
literally everybody in california with an ar15 is doing this

>>33664239
Please friendo, I would love to know how many times you've brought your non compliant ar out in public to shoot, especially at ranges. Other than private land or cool as fuck range ran by people who know you, you can fuck right off because getting legally buttfucked under the 9th circuit lands where the federal government can't even dent is NOT the smart thing to do unless you think losing time, money, and a probable felony is all worth it for a movement that hasn't really taken off here.

>>33664393
They're not saying so though, because they're smart enough to not brag about it, which leads people like >>33655286
to flip out autistically.

>>33664507
well bragging about it on 4chan won't cause any problems

as far as I know the only people who have been busted under CA assault weapon laws have been people who were already in trouble for other things but they also happened to possess an unregistered AW

>>33664548
Well I've seen a guy shoot an aug with no bullet button at a range. No one said anything other than curious questions on how the gun shoots.
As you said, this law is unenforceable unless they go door-to-door inspection or you're an unlucky bastard and ATF happens to show up for inspections at the range.

There's really no point in putting it out there that you're circumnavigating the law, the only people who are insecure and need physical reassurance or those too dumb to realize people are already doing all this, but keeping quiet about it.

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>>33664548
Troof

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>>33655351
Neck yourself you limp wristed compliant liberal friendly trash.

Seriously fuck you and fuck what you don't have the fucking sack to stand for.

>>33664463
>going to ranges
>not being part of the NorCal or High Desert Master Race and shooting in the middle of nowhere or on BLM land

You do this to yourself

Mark my words anon, now that AR's are lame, people will be buying mini-14's and M1A's to not deal with AR shenanigans. Then some motherfucker shoots a crowd with an M1A and they're gonna be banned. Then it's nothing but bolt and lever actions. Then some motherfucker is gonna shoot a crowd with a .44 lever action, and then lever actions are assault weapons. Then fucking bolt actions are gonna be assault weapons. Then fucking .177 air rifles are gonna be assault rifles. Then fucking rocks

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>>33665519

I'll say it again, the repeating crossbow or slingshot will be reborn in the wake of the most insane gun laws that lead to the banning of most if not all rifles.

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>>33661517
I can't go, I have a job and responsibilities. Otherwise I'd go just to give you shit about your AR in person.

>>33664463
I do every time I go to the range. Anytime someone asks about my rifles, I offer them a mag and a go. Believe it or not, I tend to make friends when I go to the range.

>>33667976

Do you go to a public range? Private range? "Public" but really actually private range?

>>33667976
Not talking about regular people, they're cool and don't care or really know the laws. I'm talking about "those" people who are literal bootlickers, an off duty cop who really really loves his job and thinks he serves the local politics rather than the Constitution, or random state agent popping in for inspection.

There's a well known range in the bay area that actually confiscates standard capacity mags from their customers, while I know most others are against that or just turn a blind eye to it since they don't gain anything from being aggressive.

And another outdoor range that had agents checking in for a few weeks and examining guns.

>>33662712
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/24/us/24scotus.html

California tries so hard that the SCOTUS told them to fuck off.

>>33661566
>you can't import off-orster handguns without an FFL or if you're not a LEO.

Unless you're a new resident, dipshit.

>>33662712
If there were a solid system of sort backing those people, sure.

But with local politics and court up to the regional level being anti-gun, you'd be that lone moron who easily gets devoured.
Fuck, the SCOTUS just barely got a conservative justice, and there's still a possibility that he'll turn on some things since he has literally ruled on nothing yet as a justice.

Right now is not an optimal time to push a lot of buttons and think yourself untouchable.

>>33668094
An actual public range, open to the public 6 days a week. I also go to private spots and private land to shoot, but usually it's just me and my dad during the latter. I go to the public place because it's an hour and 30 minutes less driving to shoot. If it counts for anything, I do live in the Central Valley.

>>33668125
I've never heard or seen agents checking, but it does not surprise me that the bay area has bootlicking commies. I sympathize for gun owners living in that area.

I'll also admit that when I go pig/coyote hunting up in the Mariposa area, I'll bring my bullet buttoned AR. I do fear Fish and Game, really because I want to keep my hunting license.

>>33664548
>as far as I know the only people who have been busted under CA assault weapon laws have been people who were already in trouble for other things but they also happened to possess an unregistered AW

Yep. "Other things" like traffic stops. No honest man would ever suffer one of those.

Something else to consider is that black rifle acceptance has changed dramatically in the last few years. From '89 up until '01, ARs were simply illegal in California, in any configuration, with the exception of the mythical pre-ban RAW. No one got into them until '05, when renewed interest outside of California due to the sunset of the Federal AWB resulted in someone noticing that some AR receivers could again be legally obtained in California. Back in '06, people were getting arrested, left and right, for rifles, both perfectly legal, and less so. Guns were shredded in the course of the investigation, the owners were shit out of luck, even if they were in the right. Up until '10, or so, most CA FFLs still wouldn't touch them. But the Bullet Button caught on in a big way, and in the last six years it has been common knowledge amongst LEOs that ARs are legal.

The fear of catching a felony for an assault weapon is, in part, due to the dark days of the '00s. But another part of it is a worry that, with the new expansion of what constitutes an assault weapon, the silhouette of an AR may once again cause a cop to think "criminal," and start asking questions.

>>33655159
>Any Califags use this stock? Thoughts?

Why not just buy a ruger mini 14 than that fucked up mess

>>33668620
different uppers and the cool kids have ARs

>>33668620
>Why not just buy a ruger mini 14 than that fucked up mess
Fifteen minutes of wrenching, and you can turn that abomination into a good rifle. You can't turn a Mini 14 into a good rifle without melting it down.

>>33668705
or like >>33655351 's pic, 3 screws and off comes the kydex wrap and if you really really want, 1 screw and you swap out the stock for a collapsible.

But that'd be real real illegal and no one should ever do that!

>>33656191
I want one of these on an M5E1.

>>33655159
gay looking

I have a monsterman grip. It's cheap and easy to change out when the spics march.

The HERA stocks look cool I think. Or just do a kydex wrap

>>33668620
they don't have enough RAILS

>>33655159

Literally nobody uses that stock anymore, that's a relic from a bygone era.

There's much better alternatives nowadays.

>>33667951

are you gay

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>>33669410
The U-15 is the first generation version that fell out of favor due to the Bullet Button. That's the FRS-15, the current version, and it is as relevant as ever for featureless builds for people with thumbs.