It's back!

>>33651752
>has been seen taxing
I too can get a wooden plane mock up powered by grass cutter engine to taxi.

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>not posting the vid

2 ENGINES HOW CAN THE FAIL 35 COMPETE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x95JmBfQgj0

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>>33651773

>>33651752
>>33651773
>>33651786
I'd love to play DCS in that.

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>>33651796

me too

>>33651796

>tfw it flies the same as the F-5

>>33651765

You can see the heat being emitted by the jet engines behind it, could be shopped though

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>>33651773
>Canopy transparent as a fucking beer bottle

Fixed nozzle on a jet fighter, have the iranians hacked flow mechanics??

>>33651773
That's a really cool car they've got there, does it fly too?

>>33651803
Game plz?

>>33651844
It does look legit jet propelled, but I wonder what model of Jetcat they're running...

>>33651752
I wonder if they got the 8 track player working? He's probably jamming some Boston in the cockpit.

I think people actually underestimate this thing a little.

There's no real direct counterpart to it in other airforces. To me it looks like it's built entirely out of fiberglass and CF. It's basically a jet ultralite and built more like a giant RC plane than a traditional aircraft. Assuming they studied RAM on the crashed RQ-170 would it even take much effort to make a non-metallic aircraft difficult to detect?

By jetfighter standards it would cost next to nothing to build meaning they could shit out hundreds of them. Weapons would be limited to a few ATGMs and maybe IR missiles. If you take a possible opponent such as Saudi Arabia if a swarm of these things can get to their patriot launchers and airbases it doesn't really matter if they are really shit planes. I doubt many would make it back but Iran wouldn't consider that a huge issue. They would fill a role cruise missiles usually take in western military forces. Throw hundreds of them at Saudi air defenses then have their F4s destroy everything properly.

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>>33651752

The lengths countries go to for internal propaganda nowadays is quite astounding.

>>33652212
Just... no

>>33651752
why does this plane loook sooo familiar?

>>33652212

The canopy is barely transparent, the engine inlets are in the wrong place, the wings are a clusterfuck.

This thing is for internal propaganda for illiterate mountain goatherders. It is not intended to be a real airplane.

>>33651857
>taxi test
Is this an actual thing or did they make this up?

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>>33652212
Couldn't they just spam regular airplanes then?

>>33652212
>I think people actually underestimate this thing a little.

nope

>>33652254
Oh no, its real. Every craft goes through a set of very basic teat like the taxi test, extended idle, throttle up, throttle down. I think Bell is shooting for a taxi test sometime this year or beginning of next year for the V280.

>>33652254
Taxi tests are a real thing; they're to ensure the landing gear suspension is fine, that the aircraft's centre of gravity is fine, that steering works, etc.

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I'm pretty sure they are using
GE J85 engines. At this rate of aircrafts cannibalism, they will have no airforce
>>33652242
Pic related

>>33652106
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLYlU5jyGZw

>>33652326
>they're to ensure the landing gear suspension is fine, that the aircraft's centre of gravity is fine, that steering works, etc.

Nah, it's just to ensure the Propaganda and " WE ARE STRONK, FILTHY INFIDELS".

Heck I can make shit like this in my garage, better than it.

>>33652212
I really wish people would stop using the term swarm in reference to aircraft formations. Yes, you can make hundreds of aircraft but actually competently crewing them (particularly if they're suicide craft), maintaining them and training up pilots negates the 'simple made' defense.

Look at the Japanese decline in air ability following Midway.

>>33652283
These would be so much lighter. Carbon and glass fiber reinforced plastic has gotten to the point you can build a plane in your garage with more advanced materials than military aircraft.
Some slav university students made a CF replica of a L39 only 500kg.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=di9IkdY7fvs

Even if you made it much stronger and included an actual jet engine it would still be a long way from the original 3500kg version.

>>33651752

Is this thing capable of going supersonic? If yeah, then that's pretty impressive for a dinky fiberglass shell.

>>33652462

Hard to say, what with the fact that it hasn't flown yet. Maybe they can truck it to the Bonneville Salt Flats and it can taxi at supersonic speeds.

>>33652358
WW2 fighters are actually difficult to fly, cheap consumer quadcopters have more advanced flight computers than older F-16s. There's nothing stopping them taking any of the flight controllers and autopilots from RC planes.

Even jet trainers are stupidly easy to fly if you have a big runway. Dealing with the radio and traffic controllers is more work than flying the plane, then the average light aircraft is filled with equipment from 1960 because overregulation made it too expensive to develop new components. So you end up with pilots doing things like adjusting air/fuel ratios mid flight because they don't even have EFI engines.

>>33652223
if you replace Putin and russia with Hillary/Trump and USA... you get the same result... makes you think, doesnt it?

>>33652462
>Is this thing capable of going supersonic?
definitely not, because of the air intake shaping.

stealth cargo cult aesthetics aside, it might actually be a decent COIN aircraft.

>>33652462
>Is this thing capable of going supersonic? If yeah, then that's pretty impressive for a dinky fiberglass shell.
No, it will be 400-600km/h max. I'm guessing it weighs maybe 1500kg with pilot and weapons.

Consider a mig-21 is 5800kg empty in comparison. This thing will be a low cost ultralight, Iran doesn't have the ability to operate things like predators and reapers because they lack communications, however they can get similar results by putting a pilot in a small lightweight plane.

>>33652663
>stealth cargo cult aesthetics aside, it might actually be a decent COIN aircraft.
Are you sure it isn't actually somewhat stealthy? If you consider the thing is mostly plastic, Iran has had some access to US RAM coatings, the air intakes are on the top and it has no engine nozzles, would it really be that easy for ground based radar to detect it from the front? I'm not experienced enough with radar to know how difficult tracking some CF or fiberglass object covered in RAM would actually be in comparison to a 10,000kg aluminium jet fighter.

>>33652670
thats probably why they mounted a grocery store security camera underneath it

>>33651752
Is that the Firefox?

>>33652612
>its all the same
>everyones doing it
>but please ignore the proportion and amount or it doesnt work anymore
vatnik going to vatnik

>>33652754
>it has no engine nozzles
stop posting.

>>33652754
Just making it out of plastic doesn't make it absorb or be transparent to radar. Even if you used a 100% radar transparent material, the radar energy would just be bouncing off the internal metal structures, which are not even remotely optimised to have a low RCS.

>>33652670
>>33652462
I'd be surprised if it flew at more than 250 knots.
Also, they can operate things like Predators / Reapers; they just use ground-based comms.

>>33652663
A Super Tucano would be a better COIN aircraft.

>>33651773
lol its so fucking tiny compared to the pilot

>>33652856
you can probably build 5 of these for the cost of a super tucano

>>33652901
Only by virtue of it being built in Iran; try to build a version of that in the US (ie complying with all safety standards, etc) and with the equivalent basic avionics and you'll spend more.

>>33651752
What's up with the wing tips?
What purpose does that even serve

Pretty qt desu, would fug

>>33652856
>Just making it out of plastic doesn't make it absorb or be transparent to radar. Even if you used a 100% radar transparent material, the radar energy would just be bouncing off the internal metal structures, which are not even remotely optimised to have a low RCS.
Is CF radar transparent? I thought the B2 is covered in it due to its radar performance. I remember the US air force got sued when they first showed it because a US company had various vague CF patents.

>>33652988
carbon fibres are conductive, so no.

>>33652223
>Euromaidan
Hohol plz

>>33652962
Boeing used them to replace the vertical stabilizers, but honestly I don't know their use in this Iranian prototype

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>>33653384
Forgot pic related

>>33652339
Boeing had a taxi test with their T-X trainer recently. All manufacturers have them. No doubt this plane is trash but the taxi test itself is a legit test.

Can't Iran get some Russia or Chinese aircraft?

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>>33651773

>>33651752
>>33651773
>>33651786
Stealth Cessna?

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>>33651752
I remember the grand unveil of this aircraft and will never forget its cockpit.

>>33653333
>Hohol
Vatnik plz

>>33654161
Are these bad? Seems like stuff you would find in your small cheap aircraft like cesna? I mean you gotta start somewhere, they dont have engineers with knowledge how to make proper avionic hardware.
They probably modeled the aircraft frame in some sim and then added the avionic shit they had in some warehouse.

>>33654535
That's the point, their fighter put together with consumer grade Garmins. I've seen cyclists with more tech on their handlebars than the Iranian Airforce.

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>>33651752
>Qaher 313
I love when they put big numbers on the plane to make seem more awesome. When they've literally built one plane before this one. It should be F-2 or baka

>>33654161
Is the text in Turkish?

>>33652813
Not even a vatnik but common, you have to be pretty blind not to realize everyone uses pretty much the same basic template for propaganda. Except China, China just fucking flat out denies everything.

>>33654872
It is. That was the first or second image that popped up when looking up "q-313 cockpit", surprisingly informative.

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> Iran is the world's only user putts the f-4 aircraft

We have to save them /k/, w have to break into Iran and save those f-4s.

>>33651752
Forget that,Look at those beautiful hueys with them sexy camos in the back

>>33655161
Are you trying to say that only Iran used F-4s?

Japan, SK, and I think Turkey all still use them.

>>33655161
Not the only airforce the JASDF will still be using F-4s onto 2018.

>>33652335
Ace Combat 7 looks amazing

>>33653408
The Bird of Prey looks dead sexy in that top picture. Then you see the bottom one and it's butt ugly.

Also, the Qwhatever-313 would look pretty cool if it was scaled up to proper dimensions rather than being an eggplane.

>>33655161
>saving irans f-4s
>not their f-14s

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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>>33651857
>mfw taxi test

>>33654535
>are these bad?

For a supposedly 5th Gen stealth air superiority fighter that's supposed to go against F-22s....yes. They're bad.

>>33651786
is there even space for the landing gear?

loving the burgerking butthurt

>>33657073
they barely managed to build 1 of these. meanwhile US and friends are churning out 5th gens like nothing.

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>>33651752
>This is actually serious

>>33651773
>2 ENGINES HOW CAN THE FAIL 35 COMPETE
By being made by people who know what they're doing.

>>33654945
The difference here is that in the West the state doesn't own all of the media, nor have the power to crack down on dissent like in Russia and China.

>>33656804

If we take the F-14s back to America, they'd just get chopped up by whoever chopped them up the last couple years back.

>>33652988
Not really; stealth aircraft are primarily designed to reflect radar energy, just not in the same direction as the source.
To that effect they actually coat the carbon fibre composite with something like silver (in the F-35 they simply wove a very conductive mesh into the carbon fibre, because conventional conductive coatings delaminate easily) to ensure that those reflections are controlled.
RAM (Radar Absorbent Material) is then laid on top of that conductive layer, with extra thickness in areas where radar has a chance of reflecting strongly back to the source (eg, the flat metal bulkhead that the radar sits on, also the edges of wings, etc).

>>33657844
>in the West the state doesn't own all of the media

No, just a small handful of Jewish people. Much better.

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>>33652553

>>33658396
Cheney was behind that, and thankfully that fucker is retired now. Also, if you use google maps you can see that a few F-14s in the boneyard were spared

https://www.google.com/maps/@32.1507312,-110.8338519,82m/data=!3m1!1e3

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With such amazing technology at the forefront of the Shia jihad, Al-Quds will be liberated from the Jews any day now, if only those farmers in Syria weren't in the way

>>33656804
F-14s are a lot harder to maintain, in large part because it wasn't exported anywhere else. Iran scrounged F-4 spare parts from Turkey during the short Erdogan-Assad honeymoon period (2009-2011)

The Spanish also provided them with some F-4 parts in 2005 or so IIRC.

>>33658693
And yet there's still a broad range of both centrist, left, and right-wing that report their bias. Versus "what the rulership want you to hear."

>>33652553
If say more because the plane itself was built in 1970 and as long as you do it right the fuel/air works fine. Less possible points of failure leads to simpler aircraft with less maintenance hours which take less time to learn and understand.

It's funny how everyone immediately turns into an aerospace engineer the moment some third world country announces some new plane.

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>>33651773
IT'S SO CUTE!

>>33661081
I am an aerospace engineer. At best this is a scaled prototype for low-speed testing; at worst it is a bad hoax.

>>33661124
timestamped pic of degree or stfu.

>>33661081
I was a maintainer, an there is a test for every part of a jet.

>>33659908
>If say more because the plane itself was built in 1970 and as long as you do it right the fuel/air works fine. Less possible points of failure leads to simpler aircraft with less maintenance hours which take less time to learn and understand.
It's not like that, the aircraft industry is a disaster. Excessive regulation, lawsuits and patent trolling have made it nearly impossible to develop small aircraft in the west. You have to build planes that generate billions of dollars in revenue to cover the legal costs.

Planes being produced right now are using motors from the 1960s that are less reliable than modern car engines. Car manufacturers won't make aircraft engines because they would have to sell them for millions of dollars to cover legal costs. Back in 1960 these costs didn't exist but once something is given the ok to fly it's forever. So the aircraft industry is basically stuck using 1960s tech. Anything modern is restricted to home built planes, ultralights or multibillion dollar projects.

>>33654535
Considering that non of the shit is capable of being used with a radar or weapon system. Yeah it's bad.

Everyone said that this thing was a propaganda piece and we'd never see it again....wtf?

>>33661244
They saw the mock-up and were dumb enough to think it was a prototype.

Its probably a ground-attack plane.

>>33658693
>believing inforgraphics from /pol/

If you think they're just as bad as the other, you really don't grasp how bad things are in Russia.

>>33661300
How bad are things in Russia again?

People try to meme it but it's a great tourist spot with cool scenic and beautiful women.

>>33661315
It's a Kleptocratic Oligarchy that pretends at democratic elections headed by a Stalinite former KGB agent that is dependent on foreign export of natural resources and low-price military equipment that countries that can afford/won't be sold to by US and Europe manufacturers depend on. Neither of which is a particularly stable or reliable, especially as western technologies massively outpace theirs and they burn a ton of money trying to keep up with a country that can casually spend ten times as much on its military at a lower overall burden on its economy.

Or in their own view: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrU1hZxSEXQ

>>33661244
>Everyone said that this thing was a propaganda piece

It is.

>we'd never see it again

They literally just stuck jetcats in the tail and made it taxi around the runway for another round of propaganda.
That's about as close to an operational Gen 5 stealth fighter as industrial tubing with fins and a model rocket engine are to an ICBM.

>>33661367
Most people there live simple lives, m8.

They really don't give a shit about politics unless someone want to harm mother Russia.

>>33661315
The government has been taken over by one party and its one leader. This party then controls the media, which means the state media has full control over public opinion. Public opinion then decides who gets voted in, and we have a loop.

If you take the US for example, the media have views and bias independent of the state. This means that the state can't control who gets elected, and therefore there's never a loop where one party abuses the system to hoard all of the power.

It doesn't seem like much, but it's a fundamental difference, and Russian lives are impacted by this all the time. Westerners wouldn't even consider nor grasp how badly Russians can get fucked over by their state. Russians don't even grasp how bad it is because their media covers it up.
But yeah, Russia is a nice tourist spot because you can get the fuck out of there once you've seen the nice things.

>>33661419
>They really don't give a shit about politics unless someone want to harm mother Russia.
And that's kind of the point, Putin is channeling that to make it look like Russia is "just bullied threatened nation who want peace" while aggressively working against that.

And your statement on individual lives doesn't really invalidate the national level details I put down.

>>33661401
>plane is put on display
>hahahahahah it's just a plexiglass model
>how dumb do they think the world is?
>plane is shown moving taxiing
>errr....well they just stuck an old engine on it and drove it around like a car
>plane is shown flying
>well...err...it'll never be as good as an F22! USA! USA! USA!
Americans are silly.

>>33661431
I wonder who Putin will get to play Musical Chairs with him in 2024. While Medvedev was playing seat-filler they extended presidential terms from 4 to 6 years so Putin could sit it for 12 instead of 8 years before having to pretend to be Prime Minister for four years, and I've heard Medvedev isn't in quite as good a place with the boss as he was in 2008.

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>>33652339
Look, everyone knows this plane is a giant scam, but taxi tests are a very real and very common thing, so you should shut the fuck up instead of jabbering.

>>33661455
Wtf is your problem mate? I was just adding to what he said you fucking wanker

>>33661435
Even IF it flies, there's no room for munitions, it has weird fixed exhausts, the intakes are tiny for twin engines, and even for a prototype it has "trying way too hard" written all over it.

>>33661435

Not American, friend. I just understand enough avionics to have a hearty laugh when they shown the inside of the cockpit and the scale of the thing.

>plane is shown flying

Getting a bit ahead of yourself there.
There isn't much difference between sitting on a pedestal and being pushed around on a runway by a model jet engine.
There's a massive difference between these two and a successful flight test, and there's also about the same gap between flying and being a Gen 5 fighter.
This is a monkey see, monkey do tier prop, and if you fail to see that at a cursory glance, you really don't have a business commenting on anything related to aerospace.

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>>33652212
in a way it's the air equivalent of the Iranian anti-aircraft carrier tactics (send a swarm of rocket attack boats to destroy it). Probably just as retarded, too, but it's impressive that they've made the effort

>>33652612
>if you replace Putin and russia with Hillary/Trump and USA... you get the same result... makes you think, doesnt it?

fucking no

Trump campaigned on an explicitly anti-war ticket

they both campaigned on increased economic prosperty

even after sending missiles into Syria the trump administration are trying to wash their hands of it (admittedly not very well)

The thing is, Ivan, that the West doesn't need to prepare for war; Even after 2008 our economies are orders of magnitude stronger than Russia's and our governments are not dominated by oligarchs (at least, nowhere near as much as Russia's is). You russkies have been using whataboutery since the cold war but the thing is your nation has barely improved (in fact, Russia is still significantly weaker than cold war USSR) whereas the West has made great strides in increasing our global power, reach, and prosperity, even having fallen for the neoliberal meme.

>>33661419
>literally le noble savage meme in the 21st Century

LOWER

GDP

THAN

CANADA

>>33652254
>HURRR IS IT REAL HAHAHA
>while every single US fighter has been through the same procedure

>>33651752
Well I think we can congratulate them for reaching Africa levels of engineering. Terrifying.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJAZRLn0Hig

>>33661449
>having to pretend to be Prime Minister for four years
six years though

Well, we can always hope they get a modern Gorbachev. The more they get down into their delusion, the worse it will get.

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Funny how true it is

>>33661435
>T. Iranian

>>33652212

But where are they going to get hundreds of pilots?

>>33661471
>and even for a prototype it has "trying way too hard" written all over it
What the fuck does that even mean?

>>33651752

Until it flys it is a glorified car.

>>33657073

Are you having a toothache, britbong? You should stop shitposting and start working on removing those stupid ramps off your carriers...opps, I mean carrier.

Here's hoping it kills many an Americunt as retribution for Syria.

>>33662823
Start by hoping it can get off the ground lel

>>33662850
What will Americans say if it does actually fly? I suppose there's its small size to make fun of.

>>33662050
Six years now, it was still four at that point.

>>33662742
"Hey, let's make it look really stealth and intimidating even though we don't have any of the experience and tech to build such a plane."

>>33662890
That it's still crap.

>>33663060
>intimidating
I think they'd have made it a bit bigger if they wanted it to look remotely intimidating. The thing is tiny.

>>33652212
>I doubt many would make it back but Iran wouldn't consider that a huge issue.
That would be retarded, trained pilots are more valuable than planes. See what happened to Japan in WW2 after they went all kamikaze.

>>33663079
Again, the point of "trying too hard."

>>33663422
If they were trying too hard they'd have made it ridiculously big, not small.

>>33651752

If this thing actually works, it could send the message that modern fighters don't have to be multi-billion dollar projects that only result in a few hundred frames.

>>33663471
Just being able to fly doesn't mean it can be a good fighter.

>>33651773
that doesn't look like real engines at all

>>33663491
No, but it does mean that all the "analysts" were wrong.

>>33663498
Not really. Was was shown a few years ago as a mockup as if it were the real thing was completely laughable.

The plane as it is now is still aerodynamically questionable and completely lacking in features needed to actually call it a fighter.,

>>33662890
The thing is, if Iran made a fighter jet and was humble about it nobody here would make fun if it, they'd say "ah, that's pretty cool" or "I'm impressed, they've come a long way". But since Iran keeps boasting that their fighter jets are the best thing ever and how they'll destroy the U.S. with ease people here, of course, call them out on their bullshit.

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>>33654161

>>33663541
>But since Iran keeps boasting that their fighter jets are the best thing ever and how they'll destroy the U.S. with ease people here
Did they really do that though?
From the Wikipedia page
>It was described by the Fars News Agency as a "logistic aircraft for short distances" and a "light fighter jet used for military and training operations".[17]
Doesn't seem like they're claiming it's a superduper awesome stealth plane.
>and how they'll destroy the U.S. with ease
Source?

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>>33651773

From an Aircraft Maintenance Officer's observation...

>No augmenters on those thrusters
>Turbine intakes are abysmally small
>Cockpit canopy has no apparent LO (Low Observable) material
>What appears to be fucking canvas for skin, definitely non-LO material, let alone RAM (Radar Absorbant Material, which is shit you see on B-52s for Christ's sake

So what do we have except an aircraft that, if it were even flyable, have no LO material, which any radar could detect despite hurr durr angles, and thrusters so visibly minuscule and weak that it could barely hold flyable speeds at low fuel weight, let alone external tanks and actual fucking munitions.

This is a more stealthy aircraft than the fucking Kebab-mobile because of RAM, I can say that without any sarcasm.

>>33655161
why would you want to save a flying brick?

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>>33652212

You're still not understanding Iranian air doctrine here - these would be most likely used for interdiction of civilian merchant vessel movement in the gulf - even if it's not using RAM the conformal stealth features are sufficient to make it hard for civilian shipping's Radar systems to spot, ultimately requiring anyone trying to stop iranian attacks upon shipping between europe and asia to

>>33652254

A lot of planes sometimes have problems during taxiing (the A10 for instance turns in one direction more tightly than the other due to a weird placement of the front wheel and test pilots had to write the manual on that behaviour before it took flight). Furthermore they can do a bunch of things like asymetrically load the plane up while taxiing it around, see if the plane does anything weird while being left in a normal hangar (leaks and similar due to changes in environmental conditions), make sure it's waterproof etc...

>>33665046
>stop iranian attacks upon shipping between europe and asia to

...herp, "to keep up military grade radar systems constantly alert in the gulf, draining resources Iran's enemies could be using on other pursuits, as well as pressuring the EU and Asian trade behemoths to pressure say the US or Russia to resolve things quickly, so pressuring them into not just waging another war of attrition like the Iran-Iraq war that Iran can't really win against either Russia or US"

>>33664216
Why do people by 80-year-old battlerifles?

>>33665552
Why can't some people spell "buy" correctly?

>>33665626
Why do some people have to complain about every little thing that triggers they're autism?

>>33665685

stop being russian.

>>33665685
Because people who can't spell properly need to be shamed until they learn do to so.

>>33665083
>to keep up military grade radar systems constantly alert in the gulf, draining resources

Uhhh...you do realize these are solid state components right?

>>33661220
You're right about over regulations in the aircraft industry, but we fly old designs because price and reliability.

Modern engines are hardly more reliable, even if they are the extra maintenance makes it not worth it. And price is really important, flying is a rich man's hobby, but the industry relies on the middle class dollars too. It's why the Cessna 172 is still in production.

The private aircraft industry isn't very advanced because it doesn't need to be, and it's better it not be.

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>>33665745

No but to do it properly you have to fly AWACS and equivalent planes otherwise they can just use these wing in ground effect seaplanes to fly low under most surface radar systems and continue the attacks without any meaningful response by opposition forces.

And of course those are airplanes which can't be used elsewhere in the region, and they need refueling and relief so for the price of a few strikes by these flying gary colemans they've just committed the US to a massive supply chain drain that cuts into their total operational ability.

Same doctrinal benefit infantry snipers or anti-personnel mines provide - they don't need to kill many people directly, but the strategic benefits to making your opponent have to avoid and deal with them as an ongoing problem far exceeds their direct effect on the battle field. Same with mines or suicide bombers.

Of course they're also basically functioning as a stop gap solution until Iran's ballistic missiles can reach the point of taking over this sort of psuedo-deterrant role, but they're also a good platform for a cheap and cheerful point-defense interceptor as well as a basic R&D platform that you need to create the industrial and scientific basis for better planes.

Do not despise the snake for having no horns, for who is to say it will not become a dragon?