GIGN adopts CZ806 in 7.62x39

>>33651249
Do you know where I can directly get the info about this?

All I'm getting is firearms blog and shephardmedia. GIGN's site is coming up blank, but the news they let out might've been deleted a while after they stated it.

>>33651249
Someone got paid a lot of money for this to happen. Which is fine as the source of ther terror attacks won't stop any time soon.

Maybe the sand people who raid the armouries will find it familiar.

>>33651286
>Maybe the sand people who raid the armouries will find it familiar.
Has it ever happened?

>>33651398
It will, Camp of Saints is pretty much happening in slow motion.

>>33651267
That's the point anon. There are no other sources right now. Just the right people to ask for the right info.
The pic is almost an exclusive, there aren't more than 5 places on the internet where you can find it yet.
Don't worry, it won't take more than a few days/weeks for the complete story to unfold.

>>33651249
>No they didn't select .300 blackout.

It was never offered for testing. It's still a niche round that you need to go looking for. You'd never find it in Europe. Not until the american SF gets their .300 PDWs and we see if fragmenting .300 is any good.

>>33651403
But launching a raid on GIGN's armoury sounds a bit suicidal.

>>33651267
Here's the confirmation if you want, marketing guy at CZ confirming the deal: http://www.euro.cz/byznys/ceske-zbrane-proti-teroru-francouzska-specialni-jednotka-si-objednala-pusky-bren-2-1339716

>>33651414
It won't fragment any better than .300 blk, are you retarded?

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>>33651414
>You'd never find it in Europe.
>imblying

>>33651414
>It was never offered for testing.
With HK having .300BLK conversions for their 416 under their sleeves, up to the point they recently shown the HK337, I'd say we don't know that.

>It's still a niche round that you need to go looking for. You'd never find it in Europe.
The netherlands acquired some rifles chambered for the round.
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2016/12/09/dutch-marsof-officially-purchase-300-blk-sig-mcx-rifles/

>>33651445
The end of France is going to be a slow decay, Rome didn't fall in a day. The police and military will be first defanged and then disbanded as local sharia is seen as good enough.

>>33651398
Not in Europe, that I know of, but:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Qala-i-Jangi

>>33651449
What won't fragment any better than .300 blk? What did I say would fragment better than .300blk?

>>33651451
That proves nothing. I know for a fact they never considered the round.

>>33651504
They went with 7.62x39 and I assume you think .300 would less effective.

>>33651449
>>33651525

Are you illiterate? His intent in this post>>33651414 was clearly to establish the following:
>.300BLK was not in testing with GIGN
>.300BLK is difficult to procure in Europe because if has only recently taken off in the US
>.300BLK may become more popular overseas once special operations units procure short barreled .300BLK carbines and can attest to the effectiveness of the round in the field

What he definitely did not do was bring up 7.62x39 anywhere or try to compare the two rounds. You sound like a slavboo so eager to do damage control, you see any discussion on any round to somehow be a biased comparison against 7.62x39.

>>33651452
>The netherlands did it, that means GIGN considered it!
Since when are the netherlands property of france?

>>33651629
I'm drunk, I was debating the caliber selection and assumed his observatio. that some 300 blk loadings did not have reliable fragmentation matters to people who chose x39.

Lapua already makes all kinds of nifty 7.62x39 ammo for the Finns though. Should already be plenty of choices.

>>33651631
He was replying to the point anon made about .300 being unavailable in Europe, you retarded fuck.

>>33651249
>something inbetween 5.56 and 7.62x51,

but that's wrong tho

>>33651249
Shoulda gone 6.5 grendel like the Serbs

>>33651398
Wait till some liberal demands GIGN have diversity qutoas.

>>33651414
Mil contracts are why niche rounds exist and procurement for such things don't involve the units buying the shit from walmart. Jesus Christ anon>>33651414

Why do they have the giant face shields?

>>33652971
It's a very old thing in the GIGN. They are very often shot at when facing drunken tards with some shotgun, or criminals. In the 80's several members of the group were hit in the face with slugs, buckshot, stuff like that. Since they have a strong "first entry" culture with assault collumns, they needed the extra protection.

The movie "the assault" depicting very accurately, according to first hand witnesses and the GIGN gendarmes themselves, the events which happened on flight 9869 in Marseille Airport in 1994, confirms at least 2 lives were saved by these ballistic visors.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aHYHT6QEd0
Watch at 3'43 and 11'11

Since then, these masks never ceased to be improved. They sometimes come with a neck-covering piece making their helmets very close to a samourai's "Shikoro" helmet, design-wise.

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>>33651249
WHY THEY'RE USING COMMUNIST AMMUNITION?

>>33651509
Thing is if they rely on domestic loading of ammo availability of 0.300 doesn't matter. They can produce both 0.300 or 7.62x39 with equal easiness.

>>33653221
they are using a communist cartridge
not communist spamcan steel case ammunition

>>33653221
Sandniggers in light body armor, apparently.

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>>33652971
Why you americans never use it btw?

>>33651451
>We don't have major ammunition manufacturer in France

Weird thing is, we do have major ammunition manufacturers for hunting rounds.

And one of them is creating a joint company with Thales and a third partner I can't remember right know to restart our production of 5.56mm rounds for domestic use at first then possibly export prospects, but i don't know yet if they plan to produce other calibers right from the start.

>>33654176
Because it doesn't work well with their AR15s.

>>33654204
Do you think French made brass cased 7.62x39 will be imported to the western hemisphere?

>>33653140
France makes surprisingly good action scenes

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>>33651249
technically, this is the CZ 807

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>>33654502

>>33654266
Since it was very recently decided to re-launch a national small arms ammunition production for the police and military, and since France still has some quite successful ammunition and ammunition components manufacturers, as well as the ammunition machines manufacturer world leader (manurhin-delta defense) I'd say yes, maybe.

Cheddite France is the european leader in making of cases and primers for hunting rounds they then sell to manufacturers.
http://www.cheddite.com/indexENG.HTM

Nobel Sports France (SNPE group) which is the holder of the ektan company, is the european leader in hunting rounds making and powders production
http://www.nobelsport.fr/?lg=en
http://www.vectan.fr/UK/

Manurhin is the world leader in ammunition making machines
http://www.manurhin-group.com/en/

These companies don't make a lot of publicity, but it is quite possible lots of rounds fired by the average shooter in Europe or even the US may have been manufactured with components or machines made in France.

Bonus : here's the little dictionnary of bullet types from the vectan website :
http://www.vectan.fr/UK/abreviations-of-bullets

>>33654294
It happens thanks to some uncucked film makers and actors. Sadly there are not a lot of them.

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>>33654656

>>33654668
cool as shit. you missed 24 though bro. thanks!

>>33654656

That's less accurate than you'd expect. I shoot a lot of S&B M193 and shoot far better than that.

Also, 120 rounds per soldier per year? They have to be fucking joking right...

>>33654717
>120 rounds per soldier per year?
saw that too.
>europoors
that's like a 1/3 of my range visit with an AR-15. that's not even a basic ammo loadout worth PER YEAR!

So is the Bren 2 not just a SCAR?

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Bitches Don't Know Bout My 9x39.

>>33654779
it's a SCAR in the sense that all extruded aluminum guns will look the same. design wise the 805 was under development at the same time as the SCAR with it actually starting slightly before it.

Extruded aluminum short stroke piston guns result in a blocky bolt carrier and 99% of new assault rifles run a Johnson 1941 style bolt anyway so there's not much difference there.

Neither is innovative desu.

>>33654791

pretty sure russia doesn't export their memeround

>>33654656
>5 shot groups
>''flyers''

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>>33651463

>>33651398
Albania in the 90s.The people literally ransacked the barracks and ammo depots.

>>33654668
>All the performance
>half the price

Just what I want sitting in front of my Schmidt and Bender, ATN tier night vision

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>>33654836

>>33654893
>Arab Alex jones

>>33654717
For the average soldier. That includes artillerymen, tankers, radists, and so on. Of course special forces would have far more.

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>>33654919
>For the average soldier. That includes artillerymen, tankers, radists, and so on.

That's barely enough for qualification, let alone training. That's retarded.

>Of course special forces would have far more.

Considering GIGN shot 150 rounds of full powered Magnums through their MR-73 revolvers each DAY, yes, I'd expect GIGN to burn through a tiny bit more ammo through their new rifles...

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>>33654836

>>33651249
does France not have a small arms industry anymore?

>>33654820
Ok so it is just a SCAR.
Not an insult to the gun, was just wondering what the design was in simple terms.
Any reason GIGN didn't adopt the SCAR or something like a new HK? Have they cited a specific reason for the Bren?

>>33654717
>Also, 120 rounds per soldier per year? They have to be fucking joking right...
POGs don't shoot that much. Pretty sure some "poor" countries don't bother to train support personnel to shoot more than one or twice a year.

>>33655999
>didn't adopt the SCAR
the gun beats itself to death in real world use. the stock itself is a critical component in reducing fatigue on the bolt carrier, that should tell you how well designed it is.

>>33654791
they did
Russian marketed 9x39 to GIGN
but 7.62x39 is more popular

>>33655999
>new HK
this is also a SCAR by the way if you want to play the "FN invented extruded aluminum short stroke piston guns" game

>>33655991
No, they really do not. MAS' assets were rolled into another French arms company, but they appear to be doing no small arms development or production.

Honestly, without a civilian market to supply, if you don't have top tier designs and quality (Swiss Arms, HK, FNH), there's not much point in maintaining a small arms industry. Post-war French small arms were generally inferior to most other major nations. The same goes for the British. When the L85 series ages out of service and they have to replace them, they're going to purchase weapons from the US or Germany.

>>33656513
>Russian marketed 9x39 to GIGN
cood a nigga git sum sauce

>>33651249
>They were please with its accuracy even up to 400 meters.68 rifles bought, some will be modified to fire subsonic rounds with a silencer.


This is why silencer use is a big part of gign doctrine and has been ever since the unique x.51 bis .22lr which had a specific single shot closed bolt mode

>>33654779
the gas system is a bit different, pistol and op rod as opposed to the SCAR's single tiny tappet. Other than that pretty similar

>>33656772
*piston and op rod

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>>33656626
TsNIITochMash had been bring their gun to French Police expo couple of years

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>>33656853
those pic were from Eurosatory 2014 or 2015.

>>33656495
>the gun beats itself to death in real world use. the stock itself is a critical component in reducing fatigue on the bolt carrier, that should tell you how well designed it is.
I fucking knew I hated that ugg boot.

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>>33655999
They wanted something that fired a round between 5.56 and 7.62x51. .300 BLK is still considered to be a special snowflake cartridge and is pretty rare in Europe

BREN 2 is also cheaper than a SCAR and doesn't have an annoying reciprocating charging handle

>>33651249
>7.62x39

7.62x39 is a good cartridge to shoot through car windows and still able to take down a terrorist less than a meter behind it.

GIGN has seen the need to shoot through things. 7.62 NATO is too powerful though in urban environment, therefore 7.62x39. Also well know cartridge performance.

You bet your ass the French tested it through and through.

Any chance of the 806 in 7.62x39 making it to the US civvie market in semi auto form?

>>33656525
That's a shame

>>33657519
Eventually, no doubt

>>33651652
yeah the rk95 is 7.62x39 isnt it

>>33658762
Yep. Finns mostly fight innawoods and 5.45 is dogshit at punching through foliage.

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>>33655991
What >>33656525 said. There are still some little companies here and there, PGM precision for instance makes precision rifles, they do fairly good, but it's a very specialised niche. Since its inception in 1991 they only sold around a thousand of their emblematic .50 BMG bolt action, the Hecate II. Including around 250 for France.
Their barrels all come from Lothar Walther in Germany.

However there are still some major french companies providing equipment, components, or materials for the worldwide small arms industry. I quoted them in this message >>33654560 and you can add to the list the small Aubert&Duval steel factory, which is a major partner of H&K since the 70's, they produce the steel alloy bars and rods H&K manufactures their barrels from, for almost all if not all their small arms line up.

>yfw "muh H&K barrel quality" is because of some surrender monkey steel

So France still retains very strong capabilities related to the firearms industry. But to become a small arms producer again like it was decades ago, both political and economical conditions should be way different. When they used to, small arms business were doing quite good.

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shit tier round with shit tier ballistics
GJ RETARDS

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>>33654257
They make specific stocks to fit around face shields/ gas masks. Granted it wouldn't work on an AR, but there are obviously solutions for other weapons.

>>33660312
It fits the bill tho. More energy than 5.56, capable of subsonic, cheap training ammo available everywhere. What else will they get that can be run subsonic yet is more powerful than a pistol caliber? .300 Blackout or 9x39 would've worked and probably would've been the better choices if they had more funds, but as noted in the magazine article each soldier has only 120 rounds of training ammo PER YEAR. They are going poverty-tier with their ammo.

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>>33656853
I found a bigger version of this pic

>>33651249
>They just wanted something inbetween 5.56 and 7.62x51, more energetic out of a short barrel, which is a need they expressed after Paris attacks in 2015.

Oh yeah I'm sure their great tactical need came into play there.

>>33660526
Man they sure do love their pointlessly high optics don't they.