US legal AP rounds

>>33623698
that's a philips screwdriver round

>>33623698
m193 fired from a 14.5" barrel or longer

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>>33623698
RIP rounds. They've got electrolytes that chew through armor like a bell saw and shit.

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You can own any AP round. It's illegal to manufacture for civilian market now. Guns show/gunbroker will have it most likely. Or else I would suggest the extreme penistr8r

>>33623698

I have silicon gel test and that X tip bullet goes deeper than any other bullet it gets tested against.

its tip is still flat so I doubt it will go through armor.

>>33623698

.30cal M2 AP

>>33623698
.50 BMG API

You can just buy 5.7mm, .308, .50BMG. Those usually do the trick. If you really want to stop them go 10mm.

>>33623878
It's what plants crave

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>>33623878
give'em a squeeze

>>33623878
It's the stuff they use to make brawndo.

>>33623943
This sounds like some kind of idiocracy

Depends on what armor you want to make it through. Most fucksticks dont realize that gramps' durr huntn aught6 will smash through armor better than their scar.

+p solid copper 9mm hollow points will go through 3a armor.

Steel core surplus tokarev will go through 3a.

>>33623787
That sounds like a gimmick. Sources that they actually work?

>>33623793
So you can handload all you want?

>>33624042
I'd like handgun ammo that can go through 3a. I figure if someone's attacking me wearing hard armor I'm fucked unless I have a rifle, but I'm concerned about criminals buying vests to commit robberies and such. Specifically, .357 ammo.

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>>33624154
>That sounds like a gimmick. Sources that they actually work?

electrolytes a gimmick
Mfw

>>33624042
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6x59iN4KMz4

fittycal

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>>33623749

From the same company. Gotta give them props for creativity.

>>33623797
Naval AP shells are/ were flat. Pointy will bounce off any oblique angle.

>>33623890
What's so fucking magical about 10mm?

I carry .357 so I think I'm already a step ahead of 10mm

>>33624097
If solid copper 9mm +p penetrates 3a, isn't solid copper .357 even better?

>>33626239
but... but physics

Pointy (spitzer if you like) means all the force is concentrated on a smaller surface area, which means more pressure on that one spot, which is what is needed to penetrate materials...

Ok, OP here and I'm refining my question:

Based on the little info from the thread so far it sounds like .357 will penetrate soft armor as long as it's pointy solid copper at high velocity.

Is there anywhere I can get solid copper spitzer .357 rounds that will fit in a revolver? I did some searching but couldn't find them.

>>33626239
"steel armor is the same as kevlar armor, rite guise?"

No, fucko. AP ammo in pistols has no chance against rifle plates so it's clear OP is asking about rounds which will penetrate barriers, ehavy clothing, soft vests, etc. and not hardened steel.

>>33626523
make a die and cast them yourself if you like. Otherwise use a rifle caliber "pistol" like an AR pistol build or draco or TC contender.

just get m855 for an AR

>>33623878
The stuff in Gatorade.

>>33626637
The complicating factor is that I'm pretty broke and not a reloader. I could spring for one nice box of factory ammo to carry, not thousands of dollars of reloading equipment. I'm worried about the future generation of armored criminals (especially if SHTF), but a .357 is what I've got and I need to make it work.

I'm surprised how little info there is online about defeating armor, esp. with a handgun. No one markets their product specifically to defeat armor, or gives good, scientific testing of rounds that penetrate it (all testing videos I've seen for .357 rounds against armor are made by fucking inbred hicks who use fucking like level 2 armor and don't bother giving details about the round they use)

>>33626657
Oh, I get it. Splash the armored assailant with a bottle of Gatorade to weaken the armor before shooting. Or maybe dip the rounds in Gatorade.

What fucking assclown even brought up electrolytes anyway? It was probably an autocorrect

Shocked that it's gotten this far without
>Hello ATF

>>33623698
APFSDS fired from the artillery of your choice.

>>33627053
it's a meme you dip

>>33623779
this[1]

[1] The Wound Channel

>>33623880
this, once in awhile you might be able to turn up a raufoss or a slap round too, although that's questionably legal.

>>33624614
i'll buy torx head rounds too the second they offer them.

>>33627027
http://www fortscottmunitions.com/ammunition/9MM%20Luger%20Fort%20Defense%C2%AE%20Handgun%20Ammo
IDK the price, but these look promising

>>33624154
>criminals buying vests to commit robberies and such
How does it feel living under a rock?

>>33623698
>What's the most effective armor-piercing ammunition civilians can legally own in the US?


.270 lead free brass tip cuts through an ar500 plate and fucks whatever is behind it

OP is a faggot

>>33623698

I thought Liberty Civil Defense did good against soft body armor, or did I get meme'd by a Youtube video?

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>>33627499
The price seems to be $19.60 per 20 rounds
Solid copper, 80 gr, standard pressure.

>>33627591
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLyla_Db-a0
There ya go, armor piercing fully legal 9mm ammo at around $1 a round.

>>33626488
It has energy of 357, bigger bore and there's glock 20 (damn I wish s&w or walther make a 10mm gun instead) that has a magazine with insane capacity of 15 rounds.

Imagine you can just press trigger 15 times and shoot 357 Magnum, how cool would that be?

>>33626488
Niggers can't count that high so it automatically stops them.

A vest don't help when you shoot them in the face.

Thought


Ball Diameter

3/8"


Ball Material

Brass


Grams per Ball

3.83

so about 60 grain for brass and 93.8 grain for pure copper.......hummm


I have a question anons

A standard 36 BP shoots an 80 grain .3577 lead ball

What happens when you shoot a .375 Brass ball

Ball Diameter
.375 3/8

e.g


characteristic


Nearly pure copper balls, they show good mechanical and corrosion resistance properties, excellent

thermal and electric conductivity. Small amounts of alloying elements as Cr, Zr, Ag, Cd, Mg, Sn allow

to improve the mechanical properties.

Applications
Copper balls are used in galvanic applications and in the field of electronic industry.


Chemical composition:


C11000
%Cu 99.900 min
%Other 0.010 max

EN USA GER FRA UK RUS CHN JAP
CW004A C11000 2.0065 Cu-a 1 C101 M0 T2 C 1100

Corrosion Resistance
Good corrosion resistance in marine and industrial atmospheres, steam, alkali, neutral saline

solutions. They do not resist in contact with oxidizing acids, halogens, sulphides, ammonia, sea water.

>>33627832
Try again

What happens when you fire a 60 grain brass ,375 brass ball or a 90 grain .375 copper ball from a cap and ball revolver with a stuffer cylinder and a wad

>>33627520
I was going to say "what about the North Hollywood incident?" but apparently their body armor was mostly homemade

>>33623698
M2 AP is pretty oldschool, wasnt really designed to penetrate armor but rather steel and cover

Out of a handgun +p 50gr 9mm (liberty defense) will shrek soft armor or some of the elite ammo 5.7 loadings will shrek multiple soft vests back to back. There are some really interdasting 80 grain lead free copper/aluminum loadings on the market right now that I havent got around to testing but they seem like they would go sanic.

Out of a rifle m885a1 is a good choice but generally most rifle rated plates get rekt by velocity so consider a 20" rifle with solid copper ammo. Once again there are copper/alloy loadings that I want to test out that id imagine go pretty quick. If you are open to obscure garbage a solid copper .270 will punch a III plate anytime. When it comes to IV ceramics you are better off shooting them with 338la handloads.

>>33627999
>obscure garbage

.270 is not obscure garbage

ironically that is the standard lead free cali approved round and it fucks ar500 plates

>>33628016
Let me just drive to my LGS and get any tactical rifle in .270.

Fudds should be executed for their insolence.

>>33628024
>Let me just drive to my LGS and get any tactical rifle in .270.Fudds should be executed for their insolence.

I'm sorry. Someone just shot you from 500 meters

>>33623698
1/4 inch toolsteel drill rod turned to a 60 degree angle and quenched, #4 center drill, standard lead bullet

>>33624154
>That sounds like a gimmick. Sources that they actually work?

It absolutely is. Just garbage ammo for edgelords. I mean, the fact that it's called "RIP" is lame enough, but the fact that it stands for "radically invasive projectile" is even worse. They're made to break apart inside a target to cause more internal damage, but they have much worse penetration than a standard hollow point.

>>33624154

you're being memed on. Those rounds are shit and have a reputation for failing to feed.

>>33626506

It also means that there's a lot less surface area of the projectile making contact with the target, which means if you hit at any kind of angle you run the risk of the bullet just sliding/bouncing off rather than burying itself.

You're right though. A pointy nosed armor piercing bullet hitting dead on at a direct angle is going to penetrate deeper in theory, but you have to take other variables into account.

>>33623779
This really. Speed is king when it comes to getting through III plates.

>>33627027

OP, key here is to not be a little bitch. if this is a serious concern for you just buy some:

https://www.lehighdefense.com/collections/bullets/products/357cal-38-cal-xtreme-defense-100gr-bullet?variant=21193151172

buy some super cheap reloading supplies(bullet puller and hand press)

then take a hottish .357 load from buffalo bore or underwoods(but not their hottest you idiot) and swap the bullet. honestly im kinda curious myself how well it would turn out but it should do the trick on soft armor.

>>33628454
OAL of the all copper bullet is going to be your major concern as that can cause peak pressure issues.

>>33628454
oh and this may be illegal fyi idc/idk

>>33628067
Taticool mallninjas are about as bad as fudds. Annon thanks for the info I will research it further as a tikka in 270 is in my wish list

>>33627911
>one incident in like 30 years
If they can afford body armor, they're probably not robbing homes.

>>33630733
We had a few incidents in the Philly/Camden/Wilmington area where some gangs got a few surplus vests and used them for a while. Turns out mag dumping still tends to incapacitate when a hip, shoulder, or head gets nailed in the exchange

>>33623698
Body armor protects like 25% of body. So if you aim at the legs, even 22LR is absolutely effective against body armor.