Proofs

>>33623048
Said weapons being found in craters in the middle of the street rather than inside some building, for example.

>>33623048
There isn't any, turkey was the first country on scene and they hate Syria, no surprise they said whatever they could to get Syria whacked by US power.

>>33623078
do you have photos or video, preferably from a credible source? (once again not wanting to be a vatnik, i just want something to base my opinions on)

>>33623048
There is no definitive proof, only indications. Even the first attacks in 2013 have not yet been officially attributed to anyone. The factfinding mission confirmed that chemical weapons had been used, that is it. However, usually one can assume that the simplest explanation is closer to the truth that any complicated theory: who has/had chemical weapons in the region? The syrian government. Is it likely that large amounts have been stolen on several and repeated occasions from the magazines? No. Is it possible that some CWs were hidden in 2014? Yes. Who controls the storage facilities? The syrian government. Could the so-called IS manufacture a decent amount of sarin? Probably. Are there easier ways to terrorise people than build complicated, difficult to handle and hard to deliver CWs? Yes as well.
As long as no one talks and gives conclusive proof, we can only deal with indications.

>>33623048
>those cuts immediately before the explosions
seems legit

>>33623342
>Is it likely that large amounts have been stolen on several and repeated occasions from the magazines? No.
But only small amounts of gas have been used.

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>>33623048
>Without wanting to sound like a vatnik, what proof is there that Syria released chemical weapons from their air

None whatsoever.

Your best evidence that this is a false flag is that the ONLY sources in the matter are the White Helmets which is a media production company funded by the US and the UK among others.

Another nail in the coffin of this fake attack is that the Western fake news cabal picked it up so rapidly and so willingly, and finally you have the bipartisan approval and gushing over it by the Neo-Cons, Israel-firster whores like Graham and McCain, Hillary, Israeli agents like Bill Kristol and Netanyahu himself.

It's fake as fuck and just proves how easily ((they)) can get what they want out of the bovine Western public.

>>33623418
who's "they"?

>>33623430
Hang on and let him fix his tinfoil hat - he's still shaking from actually exerting an iota of a fucking brain cell.

>>33623452
Lol'd

>>33623048
More like they bombed chemical factory not thiking that chlorine gas is in the tanks as a bi product.
They fucked up big time but they did not used chemical weapons if they did there would have been thousands dead and the sight would have been inaccessible for at least few days..

>>33623378
Yes, but for several attacks you need more. One or two containers for an attack might be sufficient.

>>33623523
What's the point of a tiny gas attack that kills fewer than a proper bomb could?

>>33623452

>Hurp a durp

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>>33623610

Obviously Assad wants to commit suicide by Trump.

He's a lunatic with no basic instincts of self-preservation that got him through 6 years of fratricidal civil war...

Oh wait, none of that makes even vaguely any sense.

>>33623452

What's the weather like up your own asshole Hillary?

>>33623610
Fear?

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>>33623418

>>33623857

Lights.. camera... FAKE CRISIS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HCFol7g-FU

Your narrative is falling apart before your eyes. What's your next move?

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>>33623101

Bombs found in craters at the sight appear to be the aerosol delivery derivative of the Soviet FAB-250 aviation bomb, the OBAS-250-235.

The OBAS delivers two primary agents, Sarin, or an undisclosed Novichok agent (probably Novichok-5/A-232).

Picture is from the sight.

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>>33623902
>>33623101

And here's an image of the OBAS-250-235

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>>33623902

>Picture is from the sight.

Says fucking who? Turkish proxies who operate in the area?

Is post coup Turkey a place where truth is valued above all else?

>>33623922
>>33623101

And here's an image of the cap, which is a different part to the OBAS-250-235 than to the FAB-250, which doesn't have this part in the same way

>>33623048
You won't find reliable proof of anything since there are no credible agents on the ground to attest what really happened. All you can do is speculate, figure out the most probable scenario.

I'm inclined to believe the Syrian Army dindu nuffin, not because they're good boys but because they known the political cost of using chemical weapons outweighs whatever they would achieved tactically.

It's a desperation weapon and the it's the headchoppers that are getting desperate, not Assad. If anything, an US or UN intervention is their only hope of not getting BTFO at this stage. The headchoppers have every motivation to stage the attack themselves, including killing their own people if need be.

Look at what kebabs do everywhere when they're desperate to score political points, they'll bait Israeli in bombing a hospital, schoolyard or a mosque. They'll send their own kids to get mowed down in front of cameras if it helps them make their enemies look bad. That's how they wage war against a stronger foe and it works more often than not.

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If Trump said it's true, then it is. That's all the proof I need. Also, if you ain't infantry you aint shit.

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>>33623963

Forgot image.

>>33623933

You can find several visually similar images in several sights. It doesn't appear until the day after the attack anywhere else on the net.

Two first sources on Google:

https://americanmilitarynews.com/2017/04/7-intense-videos-deadly-syrian-chemical-gas-attack/amp/

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://twitter.com/JakeGodin/status/849217167467974657&ved=0ahUKEwiZhuuP_J_TAhVj0YMKHZ2ODk8QFggiMAE&usg=AFQjCNFyJhv1_cSbPI7_5pyrqLQ_qRB_Cg

>>33623048
I would say we got only 2 facts regarding this case :

1. US satelite images that planes flew near alleged location (eventho maybe attack didnt happen there , rebels claim that)

2. WHO concluded that people that they inspected in Turkey died of Sarin

everything else is based on opposition / rebels claims


no strong proofs when attack happend ,where attack happend , where people that were inspected in Turkey actually died etc...


90% of whole case is based on oppostion claims

>>33623610
Non, chemical weapons are as ineffective as they are cruel. That doesn't mean he didn't do it though. It really could be any party in the conflict that did it. The only thing we can surmise is that it probably wasn't the US because Trump wouldn't need the justification .

>>33623902
>>33623922
>>33624013
Good work, looks pretty solid

>>33623452
Kek

>>33623610
>>33623839
>What's the point of a tiny gas attack that kills fewer than a proper bomb could?
We are talking about a country where you were arrested for peaceful protesting as you were an ISIS tier fanatic, only to get starved and tortured to death, chopped up and send back to your family to "send a message". Syria is a dictatorship, such shit happens in dictatorships, life aint worth much down there, the life of enemy even much less, few people have very much power and hardly anyone to answer, if you think it intimidates the enemy or gives you satisfaction and you can get away with it, why would such people not do it?

>>33623452
Did chuckle.

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Here's a pic of un-boxed sarin gas tanks at the airbase before it was bombed.

"Mossad photoshop" etc tho.

There's a reason Russia just vetoed an international probe into it.

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>>33623452

>>33623610
Opposition forces had recently made a lot of gains by the base, and they wanted to flush them out of the urban areas. Russia bombs everything massively all day and still every battle is an enormous schlog for them.

assad was able to use chems in the past without retaliation.

>>33624621
They're cluster munitions boxes, Israel

>>33623048
Read dis https://twitter.com/EHSANI22/status/852183604692230144

i see a lot of people claim that this is a false-flag and that the chemical attack in 2013 has also been proven to be a hoax or at least not committed by assad. is the 2013 really not by him?

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No proofs . Donald Duckf is a neocon kike.

>Be Assad
>Oh boy look someone is in power who doesn't want to overthrow me
>I know what ill do! Needlessly provoke him by gassing loads of civilians for absolutely zero personal gain
>Great idea

This is really what sheep actually believe

>>33624692
Probably wasn't Assad personally but broken chain of command rather.

The SAA as a government entity no longer really exists outside a few Republican Guard units and the Baath Brigades, the rest are government alligned militias (Hezbollah, Tigers, Hawks, Iraqi shiite militias, IRCG, etc) who have access to all kinds of hardware.

It is entirely within the realm of possibility that some Hezbollah unit requested it to be done, especially since that theater had a very high up IRCG guy get fragged a few days before the chemical attack. They probably were angry and didn't believe the west would retaliate due to the Obama administrations unwillingness to get involved and the fact that they have had quite a bit of momentum moving forward since Aleppo was captured. Combine that with Russian support, I can totally see why they thought gassing would be an option they could get away with.

>>33623839
>Obviously Assad wants to commit suicide by Trump.
Alternately command and control is slipping/being bucked by agents on "Assad's side".

For profit, out of antipathy towards Assad, out of incompetence, or out of stupidity, etc.

I don't think that Assad literally ordered this, unless he bought the globalist claim that Trump was Putin's Manchurian Candidate and decided that his position was unassailable because of his Russian backing.

But the only other possible sources are nearly completely implausible.

>>33624691
Nah it's Sarin. RT uploaded the pic but immediately took it down when they realized what it was.

http://by24.org/2017/04/08/russian_chemical_weapons_zarin_at_syrian_military_airbase_filmed_by_russian_journalists/

And why is it "Israel" to say he used chemical weapons? Are you that butthurt over your precious sand niggers being BTFO?

Personally I don't give a damn when these dumb monkeys gas each other. But it doesn't mean they aren't doing it.

http://by24.org/2017/04/08/russian_chemical_weapons_zarin_at_syrian_military_airbase_filmed_by_russian_journalists/

>>33624621
Nice false flag shitposting.

>>33624692
I wish a lot of those people would witness such a "false flag" chemical attack first hand, would shut them up good.

>>33624719
assad barely controls his military anymore. Syria isn't a real country and the old SAA is basically a mess of warlords all loosely allied to Iran.

Not that Assad makes any decisions anyway. He's hold up in a bunker praying that he isn't killed by his own people like Saddam and Gaddaffi were. Russia makes all of his decisions for him.

>>33624692
The 2013 attack investigation basically concluded that it wasn't possible to prove who did it, and that it was possible that the rebels had access to the necessary materials.

>>33624750
FALSE FLAG FALSE FLAG EVERYTHING I DONT LIKE IS A FALSE FLAG

>>33624747
They're submunition containers.You can see the nose cones of the munitions they're loaded into too.

They CAN contain chemical weapons, but they don't have to. Plus you wouldn't leave a pile of chemical weapon containers in a heap on your own base.

Not saying they didn't do it, but they didn't do it with those.

>>33624763
No one who is pro Assad regime had anything to gain at all from the gas attack and everything to lose. There is no way around that.

>>33624782
>Plus you wouldn't leave a pile of chemical weapon containers in a heap on your own base.

This is the "SAA" we are talking about, they are hilariously incompetent and are essentially divided up between pro-government warlords at this point. Who knows what kind of shit these guys have stored away.

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>>33624747
>by24.org
I ain't clicking that nigga

See pic related

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/02/syria-hanged-13000-saydnaya-prison-amnesty-170207035230495.html

I think so many people like the idea of Assad being the good guy that they convince themselves that he isn't actually a brutal murderous dictator

>>33624783
Hezbollah and the Iranians give no fucks about Assad, they only care about preserving the Shiite Triangle, them and the Russians are going to sell out Assad in any peace deal and everyone knows this.

>>33624747
You should post this on /sg/ on /pol/. Watch how many (You)s you'll get, 90% of which will complete and utter butt-hurt cries.

>>33624791
No, if you can run a functioning air force with correct storage of conventional weapons and fuel you don't leave a pile of chemical weapons in enough of a heap to kill people who go near it.

>>33624837
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH

>>33624823
Of course he's a murderous cunt, but that's not proof

>>33624783
That is so stupid it starts to hurt.

>>33624840
Wrong, you're assuming once again the SAA is competent. Their airbases have always been munition cogs in their logistic base. Why do you think the FSA pushed so hard to capture as many airbases as they could in the beginning of the war? They literally armed the rebellion, and continue to do so. Just a few weeks ago ISIS captured a major munition depot in Dez with millions of rounds worth of ammunition and explosives.

They've always stored everything from weapons to chemical munitions at these airports. Even when Russia "disarmed" them they were all coming out of airports.

>>33624840
>What is a binary chemical weapon
Google that shit.

>>33624621
everything right so far, but those containers could be cluster munitions, and considering how they stored the remains youd think they probably were.

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>>33624860
How about posting an argument then dumb fuck?

What exactly does Assad gain from this action? Enlighten me dipshit.

>>33624824
Thats fine with me. still my point stands that the Assad regime had absolutely nothing to gain from this attack.

>>33624823
I once saw Syrian Partisan Girl post about the mistreatment of Palestinians when they got jailed in Israel and how Assad would never do such a thing to them, that he only ever locked up Al-Qaeda. I then posted this article to her to see what she would thin of it, because she would normally respond (and quite quickly too)

https://english.palinfo.com/news/2016/9/1/1,100-palestinian-refugees-missing,-449-tortured-to-death-in-syrian-prisons

She ignored me. Feels bad, man.

>>33624840
You know chemical weapons need starters right? They aren't "live" while sitting around, binary chemical weapons are a thing and is what they use bud.

>>33624891
Correct, the Hezbollah and the other pro-government backers did, they defanged the rebels offensive in that area with this chemical attack. You have to remember the people "fighting" for Assad don't really give a fuck about him, its much more sectarian at this point.

>>33624719
>>33624891
ah, the mexican pedophile is back. still upset over getting btfo in your containment general, @pakarina_is_god?

>>33624877
>Airbases are used as munitions depots

>Therefore they'd be storing chemical weapons in a rusted heap in the open

There's a massive disconnect of logic here

>>33624891
>smug respond picture
>spoonfeed me answers that literally had been answered all over the thread
Another shitposter begging for yous.

>>33624893
I genuinely think shes autistic.

>>33624914
Binary chemical weapons, google them. They aren't live and are essentially harmless until they are active. That is how they store these chemical weapons.

>>33624908
People like trump, McCain, Graham etc. And all the people who support this always go on about muh Assad though.

>>33624909
>Mexican

Not who you think I am newfag.

>>33624908
>You know chemical weapons need starters right? They aren't "live" while sitting around, binary chemical weapons are a thing and is what they use bud.

Yeah, and?

>>33624924
No one has explained what Assad had to gain from this you idiot because he didn't have anything to gain and this is akin to shooting his foot.

>>33624931
And they can store them anywhere, thats the point, you are acting like they were keeping Nukes out in the open when in reality it is just a few precursors sitting in a box lol.

Thats why the whole "hurr we bombed a warehouse that had them" doesn't even begin to make sense because precursors are harmless without a starter and even if you bombed it nothing would happen.

Oh, still begging hard for those yous. Sorry, you aint getting any for playing stupid.

>>33624930
Neocons gonna neocon, it is retarded they did it but there are a lot of reasons why SAA aligned fighters would launch an attack on that area.

They were getting hit hard by HTS and the IRCG lost one of the highest ranking guys to date in the theater, they could have launched it as revenge for him or some other autistic reason. Everything about this war defies logic honestly, it is just a really weird war littered with incompetence from virtually every participant.

>>33624927
No, it's not. You think that because you've seen a picture of that container, and a picture of some people in CBRN gear with a similar container.

You don't actually know what they contain, or if that's what Sarin looks like when it's stored. You've assumed that part.

>>33623985
lol

>>33624954
So, they're binary weapon containers that contain both parts to make Sarin

But they're ALSO dual containers that only contain one half of the ingredients?

Why are you making this up? Have something to back it up or realise that you're trying to fill the gaps in reality yourself.

>>33624990
It just seems so nonsensical to do it against non combatant civilians. You're right, it really does defy logic.

Do we know if any combatants even died in the attack? Or was it all civilians?

>>33623452
But hes right senpai

>>33624992
Either you are stupid or you are trying to derail, that responds doesnt make any sense.

>>33624992
They are binary chemical weapons bud, sarin weapons aren't stored in green orbs like the movies or anything, it is just precursors in a box dude.

You're acting like this shit is super lethal and toxic and needs to be carefully monitored but its virtually harmless without a starter since they are binaries.

You're going incredibly far down into pure speculation and its obvious you have your opinion made up so have fun, not going to bother replying to you anymore.

>>33625013
Idk what you're talking about (you're probably the same guy I just replied to above seeing as you're exactly 90 seconds apart), they are binary chemical weapons, they are precursors which are harmless until they get a starter. You can store them anywhere and in anything basically.

>>33625026
Well, that area had been getting hit for the entire duration by conventional strikes. I believe it was a major gathering point for HTS before they hit the frontlines south of the town judging by the roads leading into the area.

Its really retarded, I agree.

>>33624621
These are cluster munitions boxes, pham.

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Those "Sarin binary containers" are PMF-1 munition containers. Here's one with submunitions in it.

They're a universal container. There's no unique chemical storage capability about them.

>>33625047
I think the guy you are responding to, is trying to use illogical and non related implication making answers to ruin the discussion and to distract from the fact he is wrong and knows little over the subject.

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>>33625069
And here you can see four of them alongside a KMGU-2 cluster munition

>>33624925
I get that feeling too. Before she hit the """"big time"""" she would often engage with people on her video's comments section, always losing her shit when proven wrong on things. She actually just did a show with David Duke yesterday or the day before.

>>33625069
Correct, and they are stored all over Syria. It is really weird how this guy thinks it so far outside the realm of possibility that they don't keep chemical weapons stored in their airports despite 6 years of civil war proving the SAA loves to keep their logistic hubs based out of their airbases.

You think the SAA digs a hole somewhere and buries the PMFs until they decide to gas a town?

>>33625081
Thats what it looked like, I honestly had zero idea what he was trying to say so I just repeated myself to not get baited lol.

>>33625047
>They are binary chemical weapons bud

Prove it. Post one iota of proof that those are binary chemical weapon containers, or you're just assuming.

>>33625099
Prove they aren't, Syria got its chemical weapons from their Russia allies during the cold war so of course they'd store it in the same PMFs they designed to store them in.

Once again, do you think Syria doesn't use binary weapons despite virtually every CWU on the planet using binaries? You think they have green orbs they drop out of helicopters that kills everyone in a 10 mile radius?

They use binary chemical weapons just like everyone else on the planet does, tough shit bud.

>>33625125
>Prove they aren't

I just posted a photo showing one containing submunition bomblets.

You've yet to show anything that they're some kind of "binary container"

Everybody watch those two now:
>>33625061
>>33625069
They said something contradicting, but will they debate each other over it? No. Why? Because thats not what they are interested in. They want to tell everybody, that those ARENT chemical weapon containers, while actually those are general purpose containers, which means there could or had been be anything in them and anything also can mean chemical weapons, which is while it is unlikely, still simply true and should be said. But they wont say that, since they have an agneda behind their postings that forbids them to do such things.

>>33625125
Just because they might store them in those containers doesn't mean they were in those containers pictured. I'm not sure why you're arguing with this guy so vehemently.

Telling someone to prove they aren't is incorrect. Burden of proof is on the one making the claim.

You seem to not be a moron so I don't see how you don't get this.

>>33625125
Nobody is saying Syria doesn't use binary weapons, he's saying that those aren't binary weapon containers.

>>33625170
>They said something contradicting

>One says it's a submunition container
>The other says it's a universal submunition container

What the fuck are you talking about.

>>33625173
Even if I found a picture of the cluster munitions saying "SARIN INSIDE" they'd still claim it wasn't true, I am just arguing because I am bored. They know I'm right I guess which is why they are harping on this point so hard.

>>33625168
Believe what you want, you obviously have your own theory, no amount of arguing and proof will sway you.

>>33625179
He can believe that then, but anyone with a brain knows those very well could be (probably are) the same PMFs that stored their CW.

>>33625170
>which means there could or had been be anything in them and anything also can mean chemical weapons

>There's no unique chemical storage capability about them.

I think maybe you need to learn to read? This says what you're trying to say.

>>33625202
You have no proof though you just told the guy "prove me wrong" that's the argument people who believe in God use whilst ignoring the burden of proof.

>>33625170
This is like the elephant in the room in almost all those threads.

>>33625207
You don't need any "unique" chemical storage capability for binaries, they are harmless without a starter hence the Soviets storing their own CW inside PMFs, we've known this since the 70s dude.

>>33625218
PMFs can store binaries just fine, if you don't think they can then that is on you.

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>>33625202
>"I've posted proof, if you want to contradict it present your opposing evidence"

>EVEN IF I POSTED IT YOU OBVIOUSLY WOULDN'T BELIEVE IT, IT'S SO OBVIOUS TO ME WHY WON'T YOU BELIEVE IT WITHOUT PROOF

Sigh

>>33624909
I know who you're thinking of, they post the same pictures at times. This guy, however, posts under an American flag. Still a pedophile, just on the other side of the border unfortunately.

>>33625231
NO ONE is saying they can't store them I am saying you cannot prove that those specific containers ARE storing them.

>>33623048
Trump said they did, and he's been right about everything else so far

>>33625202
>Asked to prove point wrong
>W....Well you wouldn't believe me anyway!

Christ man you couldn't make it more obvious that you have nothing to back it up.

>>33625239
Cool, then you can believe what you want. They obviously use PMFs to store their binaries, if you guys want to be wishy washy then so be it.

>>33625236
PMFs can contain binaries just fine.

>>33625245
Believe what you want, but binaries have been stored in PMFs since the 70s.

>>33625231
>You don't need any "unique" chemical storage capability for binaries

Okay, so prove that sarin binaries are kept in those containers.

Prove that you're not assuming that they're binaries because you can see two cylinders.

Post anything at all to back up your point.

>>33625256
I don't have to, PMFs can contain binaries just fine and have been used since the 70s and across Syria's own CW production for decades now.

If you think they don't have sarin, so be it, I'm not here to change your mind.

>>33625249
>binaries have been stored in PMFs since the 70s

Proof?

>>33625249
>They obviously use PMFs to store their binaries

And you think that because....?

>>33625265
What do you mean "proof", what do you think PMFs are lol?

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>>33625264
>>33625256
>Post anything at all to back up your point.

>I don't have to

/k/ - Weapons

>>33625277
Because that's how the Soviets stored their own binaries for decades and Russia continues to use them today.

You clearly want to force a narrative that Assad dindu nothin, I for one don't give a shit, these Arab bastards have been slaughtering each other for centuries with no signs of slowing down.

>>33625294
It's 4chan, I'm arguing with strangers on an anonymous image board, if you think PMFs can't be used to store CWs then so be it.

>>33625284
>What do you mean "proof"

I think we've found the crux of your argument here bud

>>33625194
Dont act dumb now, we all know what this is about. One of them watched the vid with the russian journalist, the other saw the picture. One is a container that holds cluster AMMUNITION, the other is one that holds cluster MINES. Is that the same? No? But why did they didnt say those hold both, but only one instead, either because they just saw one thing and dont know it, or they know it and do t say it because they know that when this is clear, someone uninfirned might get thise are used for much more to hold, like chemical weapons. It is lying by not telling everything. And since you always go for it, i didnt said those containers had hold chemical weapons at the base.

>>33625311
Are you denying PMFs haven't been used to store chemical weapons?

>>33623897
I thought that was for the mannequin challenge?

>>33625227
Yes, it is called shills at work, or useful idiots depending on the case.

>>33625317
Hello Russian, you need to work on your English

In my opinion the most likely suspects in order are Assad, Mossad, the CIA, and then insurgents.

Nothing Assad says can be trusted because he's a middle eastern despot and he probably has less control over his military than he thinks. Alphabet agencies are never to be trusted and have a lot to gain from deposing Assad (kikes are more likely because they're power hungry oily oven dodgers). Terrorists are the least likely because despite being crazy enough to do it they're still retarded.

>>33623610
Same point as a large gas attack that kills a lot of people.

Fear.

He is losing to rabble, it is entirely plausible he simply gambled on whether other countries would get (seriously) involved over a handful of chemical weapons, and guessed wrong. Lord knows he's done dumber shit in the past.

It's also entirely possible that pro-Assad forces used them without his consent, it's been pretty obvious that "his" forces operate with an extreme degree of autonomy.

>>33625284
>What do you mean "proof"

This person actually thinks not being able to present evidence to back up their point makes it valid

No wonder information comes to this board to die

>>33625365
>It's also entirely possible that pro-Assad forces used them without his consent, it's been pretty obvious that "his" forces operate with an extreme degree of autonomy.

This is a great point and the most likely imo. IRCG/Hezbollah took some heavy hits in the opening offensive, including losing one of the highest ranking officers within the IRCG to date. I could easily see them turn up the heat and deploy CWs to try and get the rebels to back off.

>>33625376
You think PMFs can't hold chemical weapons?

>>33625376
>It is not shitposting when i do it.

>>33625202
They could or could not contain Sarin, you have no proof either way. They are also used to contain cluster munitions. Which is more likely, nimrod?

>>33625393
And you have no proof they aren't sarin either, the whole argument is a non-starter.

PMFs can easily contain binaries since they've been used that way for decades now.

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>>33625307
>if you think PMFs can't be used to store CWs then so be it.
That's never been said.

>>33625421
>>33625393
>exactly 90 seconds apart
>IP count didn't change

Lol are you really posting on cool down

>>33625393
>They could or could not contain problematic stuff, you have no proof either way. They are also used to contain almost everything.

>>33625406
Except you're the one claiming they're proof of Sarin at the base. I'm not sure you know how burden of proof works.

>inb4 lel its 4chan I don't need proof.
Then shut the fuck up.

>>33625436
Yeah, I'm reading through your reply chain and replied to one of your posts, then saw the retardation in the second one and replied to that a minute later. Your point?

>>33625444
Yeah, pretty much, yet it's being claimed exclusively in the post with the picture of them that they're the containers for the Sarin used in the attack.

>>33625393
The irony in this post is astounding

>container literally designed to contain virtually anything
>hurr well MAYBE it didn't have sarin good luck proving it!!!!

>>33625462
Eat a dick, PMFs can contain binaries just fine and have been used by both Syria and Russia for decades. If you think the Syrians are burying their binaries in the desert then so be it, but you obviously made up your mind and think Assad dindu nothin despite him having virtually zero control over his own country and military at this stage of the game.

You cannot prove they didn't contain Sarin just like we can't explicitly prove they do contain Sarin, so find a new argument, like gee, maybe it was a falseflag!

>>33623839
>He's a lunatic with no basic instincts of self-preservation that got him through 6 years of fratricidal civil war...

He really doesn't, the first thing he did when the protests came was to open fire on them.

The only reason why he's lasted this long is because Iran and Russia are helping him out.

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>>33625393
I think the fact that there were KMGU-2 cluster bombs seen outside the same hangars indicates that they were mostly likely cluster munition containers. I mean there's even a photo in this thread with them both next to each other.

>>33625491
Wasn't that his retarded brother who killed the students in Homs? His family and the rest of the old guard Baathists are the real reason why shit went hot so fast

>>33625406
>since they've been used that way for decades now

Uh, you have no proof that they contain sarin binaries. I assume you're going off that one photo that shows some Russians standing next to one in a chemical weapons disposal facility? You don't know what's inside it or how it's being stored. You're a liar.

>>33625469
>container literally designed to contain virtually anything
Yeah, so which is more likely, it contained conventional munitions or the SAA is leaving contaminated containers littered all over their base?
>>33625490
Holy fucking Jesus you are one dense retard. -No one- has said they cannot contain sarin. You claimed, unequivocally that those are the containers for the sarin used in the attack; when it's been established that they can contain literally anything. Like here, where they are next conventional bombs. >>33625498

>>33625469
What really is annoying is, how the Assadbros and russboos are dishonest and always say it is this ONE thing, while it is in reality a general purpose container, that ,while it is unlikely, still can be used for chemical weapons. No matter how often you explain this, next thread or often enough a few posts later the same shit starts from the begining.

>>33625530
Wrong, PMFs have been used to store CWs for decades now. They are literally multipurpose storage containers.

>>33625537
Binaries are non-toxic, you can easily store PMFs with binaries next to other non-CW PMFs just fine.

>>33625544
Yeah these guys are beyond delusional but its funny to see how rabid they get. It looks like just one samefag though.

Same amount of proof that there were WMD's in Iraq, zero evidence.

>>33625537
>-No one- has said they cannot contain sarin.
That sounded a lot different in this thread, my friend.

>>33625563
>Wrong, PMFs have been used to store CWs for decades now.

Yeah, I know they've had chemical weapons in them before.

What you don't know is if they've ever been used to contain Sarin.

>>33625589
Why wouldn't they be able to contain the precursors for Sarin? They can easily store it just like they can store any other precursor.

>>33624621

been debunked, there Cluster munitions.

>>33625611
Wrong, those are PMFs that can contain anything from CWs to CMs.

>>33625563
>Binaries are non-toxic

>Methylphosphonyl difluoride
>Methylphosphonic acid dichloride

>Methylphosphonyl difluoride is both reactive and corrosive. It is absorbed through skin and cause burns and mild nerve agent symptoms. It reacts with water producing HF fumes and methylphosphonic acid as a result. It is also capable of corroding glass.

>Methyl phosphonic dichloride is an organophosphorus compound. It has a number of potential uses but is most notable as being a precursor to several chemical weapons agents. It is a white crystalline solid, with a low melting point.

>It hydrolyzes readily and must be handled with care as it is exceedingly toxic.

I can't wait to see you try to talk your way out of this one.

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>>33625544
>Assadbros and russboos
Furthest from it.
>say it is this ONE thing,
What, that there's no proof this pile of generic munitions containers were used to store the binary components for sarin?
>while it is unlikely, still can be used for chemical weapons
Holy shit, it's almost like I said that exact same thing multiple times in the last 10 minutes.
Do you enjoy circle jerking or are you samefagging?

>>33625563
>Binaries are non-toxic
That still doesn't mean they're just thrown out into the open. I don't care how incompetent you are.
>It looks like just one samefag though.
Nope.

>>33625599
So you admit you're assuming?

>>33625537
>Its a container for X
>But it also can hold Y and Z
>No those are containers for X!
>They are containers for X!!!!!
>AND they also can contain other stuff or are you denying that?
>REEEEE! You cant proof they have Z in them, also no one said they contain only X
Fuck off, shitposter.

>>33625563
>Binaries are non-toxic

Binaries for Sarin are EXTREMELY toxic.

Five fucking seconds on Google would have prevented you losing all credibility in your pathetic argument.

>>33625626
I bet you think gunpowder is exceptionally dangerous as well bud.

Binaries aren't nuclear weapons, they are mostly harmless precursors that are specifically designed to be as easy to store as possible.

>>33625644
What? PMFs can easily contain precursors including Sarin's own requirements.

>>33625628
Sure it does, the SAA are hilariously incompetent and have proven time and time again that storing munitions isn't their strong suit based on 6 years of Civil War and the near routine capturing of said depots by the opposition.

>>33625654
Samefagging again, 90 seconds apart
>>33625626

And no, they really aren't that toxic compared to any other industrial binaries out there.

>>33625599
If any metal container could be used to hold Sarin precursors what makes you assume that it's these?

>>33625624
Yes, but those PMFs are sitting next to other conventional weapons. You have no proof those specific PMFs were used for CWs, yet you claim as a certainty that the exact ones pictured were used for CWs.
>>33625652
>strawmanning this hard
Literally not what I said, but you're just shitposting so whatever.
>>33625663
>storing munitions isn't their strong suit based on 6 years of Civil War and the near routine capturing of said depots by the opposition.
So being unable to defend your ammo depots = not storing your ammo properly?

>>33625663
>"Sarin precursors aren't toxic"

>Discovers that they're extremely toxic

>"Nu-uh they're harmless"

I must admit I wasn't expecting a straight up head-in-the-sand response.

>>33625671
Decades of usage by the Soviets and Syrian's own authorities show they use PMFs to store CW. Where else do you think the SAA stores what munitions they have left, a giant hole outside Damascus?

>>33625684
You have no proof they aren't Sarin either, PMFs with CW can easily be stored next to essentially any other munition just fine. The binaries are perfectly safe in storage.

>>33625692
They aren't that bad, you are acting like you can't store binaries at an airfield for some bizarre reason despite 6 years of civil war proving the hilarious incompetence of the SAA showing they use these airbases and logistic hubs for the rest of their operations throughout Syria.

>>33625712
>You have no proof they aren't Sarin either
You're the one making the claim that they are fuck head. The burden of proof is on you. PROVE THAT IT'S PRECURSORS TO SARIN IN THOSE CONTAINERS.

Whatever, I'm going to dinner. This is just fucking circle talk. Are you Arab by chance, or more of a long nose?

>>33623048
>Without wanting to sound like a vatnik, what proof is there that Syria released chemical weapons from their air as opposed to their story that they destroyed an ISIS/rebel weapons factory that was working on chemical weapons - ISIS has already been recorded as using chemical weapons in Iraq.


Pictures of the impacts look like airdrops not mortars, rockets, arty etc

>>33625731
Nah, don't have to, PMFs can easily contain CWs as they have been designed to contain for decades. Syria obviously uses them for their own CW supply because what else are they going to use, a giant pit somewhere in the desert?

>>33625712
>They aren't that bad

You said Sarin precursors are non-toxic.

Are you sticking with this claim, or are you going to admit you were wrong?

>>33625628
Say it is a general purpose container, which contains most likely something, but dont say it is a container for one thing. This is basically a lie combined with an assumption, in order to trick people new to the topic to fall for the wrong direction.
>Holy shit, it's almost like I said that exact same thing multiple times in the last 10 minutes.
It is the fucking turning point of that string of the discussion, dont act like it would not be misinterpreted the second it doesnt gets repeated.
>What, that there's no proof this pile of generic munitions containers were used to store the binary components for sarin?
There is no proof for one way or the other.

>>33625753
They aren't that bad, any industrial precursor obviously be somewhat toxic. But they are perfectly able to be stored in PMFs just fine out in the open with no worry at all.

>>33625741
Now this is what speaking with authority from ignorance looks like.

>>33625779
Not sure what you're talking about, PMFs can contain CW precursors just fine as they were designed too.

>>33625774
>any industrial precursor obviously be somewhat toxic

>>33625563
>Binaries are non-toxic

This is what we call "moving the goalposts"

>>33625803
You got anything else you want to nit pick?

Maybe you need a diaper changed?

PMFs can store CWs next to other munitions just fine. The precursors aren't anywhere near deadly enough to warrant separate storage.

>>33625803
>>Binaries are non-toxic
> This is what we call "moving the goalposts"
Or taking out of context by you, we are talking about fucking chemicals and chemical weapons.

>>33625803
context, theres a difference between an industrial acid and sarin gas

>>33625803
This is what we call the "nitpicking vantik" who gets desperate in a discussion, really liked to be made by a "totaly not a vatnik, quite the opposite i swear".

>>33625880
He lost his argument so nitpicking details is all he can do at this point

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Uh, if I could just put this to bed

The containers are labelled "AO-2.5RT" which is a Russian anti-personnel cluster bomblet.

>>33625822
No, please continue, I love watching you squirm after revealing your ignorance so blatantly.

>>33625884
And tomorrow, next thread, someone will magically reappear, same opinion,with just removed the most obvious errors, demanding to be taken serious.

>>33625884
The real problem is, how we basically all knew how it would end, it is so fucking repetitive with his kind.

>>33625941
Ebin post, anyways, PMFs can be stored with binaries just fine next to any other conventional PMF.

>>33625851
Those are the precursors to Sarin you moron

>>33625822
>>33625826
>>33625851
>>33625880
>>33625884
Jesus what was it about that fact that binaries are toxic despite the moron saying they aren't that brought the dicksucking brigade out?

Why do people bring up the bomb thingies at the airport? Wasn't it that missile shaped think that delivered the gas?

>>33625963
Sarin gas isn't a precursor to Sarin gas, learn to read Vitaliy.

PMFs can store those binaries just fine out in the open or in a box stored inside a warehouse, that is what they were designed for.

>>33625980
Because it is entirely unrelated to the overall discussion, the slav went down that route to move the goal posts. He realized he lost the argument about PMFs so he got all autistic and is pretending like binaries are WMDs when in reality they are just your average industrial chemical that are used all over the world.

>>33625985
I think it was a large freefall bomb

>>33625980
Do you have autism or anything? Everyones wrong but you?

>>33625985
No, was a russian free fall chemical bomb.
Read those
>>33623902
>>33623922
>>33623963
>>33624013

>>33625997
Yet you said the precursors are non-toxic. Given that you should have known that they are, it kind of ruins any credibility you have talking about the other aspects of chemical weapons, doesn't it?

>>33624719
>>33623839
>>33623610
Did these idiots forget that Assad gassed a bunch of people in 2013 and Obama did nothing? He had no real reason to believe that there would be consequences this time around. Before the Tomahawk attack Trump had showed little interest in fucking with Syria.

>>33626020
Irrelevant, precursors are about as toxic as any other industrial precursor, they can be stored in PMFs just fine out in the open or in airbases.

Anything else you want to nitpick? Maybe your diaper is full again?

holy fucking shit /k/ has become a damn dumpster fire

>>33625980
Learn into context.

>>33626016
>No, was a russian free fall chemical bomb.

Wow, that really changes things, I read on /pol/ that the rebels used a missile to bomb their own people.

So it actually was Assad's guys.

>>33626037
>Irrelevant

Convenient

>>33625761
>don't say it is a container for one thing
I didn't. You must have me confused with someone else. In fact I've explicitly agreed that it is a general propose container. That's the crux of the issue. It's a GP container being claimed to have contained specific compounds without proof.
>there is no proof one way or the other
Holy shit you're getting it! Yet it's being claimed those specific containers were used specifically for sarin without anymore evidence than, "they can be used for sarin as well as other things,"

>>33626059
Nah, just the vatnik and /pol/tard related threads are especially bad.

>>33626073
Someone aligned with Assad, I for one don't think Assad was dumb enough to gas his own people twice, especially at this stage in the war.

It was much, much more likely one of the local warlords in the theater that thought they needed to do something to defang the rebel offensive. A lot of blood has been shed in that area.

>>33626088
So nothing else to knitpick? Good, glad to see you agree with me.

PMFs can be stored just fine out in the open next to any other conventional munition, binaries are designed for this explicit purpose of being easier to store over live CWs.

Need that diaper change now, baby?

>>33625980
He's samefagging to make it seem like there's a consensus. Notice how every post that agrees with him is a congratulatory circle jerk?

>>33626073
/pol/ is not a good source, they bait you with a somewhat better raw data approach, but in the end it is just a filter bubble, that got so many stuff "right" because they dont care when they are wrong or dont allow it to be wrong.

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>>33626037
>If I say something I don't need proof
>If something I said is instantly proven wrong it's irrelevant

Oh god, mixed with the childish insults this is fantastic

>>33626114
Look at the post timers retard, most are within a minute of each other.

>>33626123
PMFs can be stored just fine anywhere anyplace, binaries were designed for the purpose of not having to deal with salting the earth anytime one leaked, transporting and storing becomes much easier when you're working with precursors that can be found at any industrial site.

Looks like someones diaper got full though! Oh no!

>>33626091
A local warlord did it while a Syrian/Russian jet was flying around overhead? No. It seems much more likely that Assad just decided to go for broke since there were no consequences the last time he did it.

>>33626103
That's not what agreeing is. I'm pointing out that it's convenient that you're ignoring when you're wrong.

>>33626135
The Russian drone being the area is very weird, I agree, you could be right, but I do think it might have gone through SyAF high command without Assad knowing.

>>33626139
Still knitpicking?

PMFs can be stored just fine anywhere anyplace, binaries were designed for the purpose of not having to deal with salting the earth anytime one leaked, transporting and storing becomes much easier when you're working with precursors that can be found at any industrial site.

Context is a real thing, Yaroslav!

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>>33626131
>Gets outright called on his bullshit
>Reponds with "your diapers full!"

I need more of this

>>33626114
>guy samefagging pretends to be someone else and calls others samefaggers
It is like pottery. Also check the posting times of those posts, they cant all come from one person

>>33626172
So you're agreeing with me PMFs can be stored in the open just fine alongside other conventional munitions? Good!

>>33626151
Context isn't saying one thing then saying you meant another thing. I don't know why you think that's what it means.

>>33626184
Ahh, still knitpicking :)

PMFs can be stored just fine anywhere anyplace, binaries were designed for the purpose of not having to deal with salting the earth anytime one leaked, transporting and storing becomes much easier when you're working with precursors that can be found at any industrial site.

There is literally no reason why the PMFs can't be stored alongside other non-CW PMFs.

>>33626182
Nope.

Keep saying that though, and you can trick yourself into thinking it's true.

>>33626151
>Knitpicking

It's spelled nitpicking.

>>33626180
Prove I'm samefagging retard. I came into this thread 100 posts in. You're talking to multiple people and are too retarded to realize it.

>>33626195
I think you need to learn what knitpicking is.

Saying something wrong and it being pointed out isn't nitpicking, it's your point falling apart because it's not credible.

Something tells me English isn't your first language here.

>>33626200
You have anything to prove that PMFs containing precursors cannot be stored alongside other conventional PMFs? No? Oh alright.

:)

>>33626208
Kek

Has someone been called Armatard at a different occasion before? I think this thread, at this point really needs this question.

>>33626212
Ooooh still knitpicking because you are wrong about PMFs I see! It's okay I'll help you learn!

PMFs can be stored just fine anywhere anyplace, binaries were designed for the purpose of not having to deal with salting the earth anytime one leaked, transporting and storing becomes much easier when you're working with precursors that can be found at any industrial site.

There is literally no reason why the PMFs can't be stored alongside other non-CW PMFs.

>>33626026
>I'ma gas muh people for no reason

Fucking normalfag neocon suckers

>>33626209
So where was your prove?

>>33626215
You've actually yet to prove at all that PMF's could be used to store Sarin precursors. Please back your point up with evidence, or it's just opinion.

>>33626235
>no reason

Assad is locked into a complete slog of a civil war with no real hope of regaining full control of his country, CWs could be deployed as an avenue for his regime to continue to drag on the war and claw back as much as they can.

>>33626241
PMFs were explicitly designed to be multi-purpose containers that can hold anything from binaries to cluster munitions.

The Russians themselves have used PMFs to store CWs for decades now dating back to their original designs in the Soviet era.

>>33625490
Look i personally think SAA probably gassed those people, but that doesn't excuse you being an illogical retard. lemme break this down for you

1. PMFs can contain CWs or conventional weapons as they are a general purpose container.

2. That picture/vid shows PMFs in the background.

3. Judging by points one and two that means that we can safely conclude that those containers were LIKELY used to contain EITHER CWs or conventional weapons.

4. THIS DOES NOT PROVE IT WAS CW, MERELY THAT IT COULD HAVE BEEN A CW. IT IS ENTIRELY POSSIBLE THAT THEY CONTAINED CONVENTIONAL WEAPONS.

am i getting through to you now, champ? When you can prove that something was X or Y, that does not prove it was X, as the very nature of the evidence is that X and Y are possibilities.

>>33626228
>Adults suffering from autism tend to repeat the same words, phrases, and behaviors throughout the day.
>Some common signs are: having trouble maintaining a conversation, finding challenges expressing their needs, or having trouble processing thoughts.
>>33626240
You mean proof? Where's yours? I explained the reasoning for my claim, what's yours?

>>33626251
>PMFs were explicitly designed to be multi-purpose containers that can hold anything from binaries

Alright, I've seen proof in this thread that they can hold cluster munitions, where's your proof that they're also used to hold binaries.

>>33626235
Maybe one of his lieutenants got drunk on impending victory, maybe Assad overplayed his hand, maybe it was a UK falseflag.

Honestly hard for me to make my mind up. Assad has nothing to gain from this move, it doesnt really seem like chemical weapons are uniquely effective in ending the civil war, but it could be that hes just lost it from his bunker or he had no direct involvement in the matter.

>>33626225
Dont think so, but could be him, normally he is much worse.

>>33626254
You can't prove they aren't CWs just like I can't prove they are CWs, it is a non-start as an argument from the very beginning.

>>33626260
So yeah, PMFs can easily contain the precursors for CWs as they were designed to do.

>>33626265
PMFs are multi-purpose containers that have been used by the Russians for decades to store binaries for their CW munitions. This is public knowledge and there is proof within this very thread that you've obviously ignored or dismissed.

>>33626215
I'm glad someone got that

>>33626294
It was quite clever anon

>>33626286
You're not evening replying to posts about PMFs anymore. You're also missing the point entirely and it's funny at this point.

>>33626251
Ya gassing 80 some civilians and provoking the us when they didn't want to get involved. Great idea! Makes alot of sense.

>>33626212
>>33626228

It's still spelled nitpicking.

>>33626286
>its a non start as a argument from the beginning
Then why did you say the specific containers in your photo were used for sarin?

>>33626260
>You mean proof? Where's yours? I explained the reasoning for my claim, what's yours?
So you dont have any. Little embarressing, specially since you refered to posts that that were to close together posting time wise. You probaly are mistaking people resonding to an rather obvious facepalm worthy post with samefagging.

>>33626310
Last time he did it the US did nothing, and a lot has changed in favor of the SAA since the dark days of 2013.

Retarded to do, yes, but I can see why they got cocky enough to do it.

>>33626319
Why did you claim they weren't? It goes both ways and thus is a non-starter.

>>33626286
>PMFs are multi-purpose containers that have been used by the Russians for decades to store binaries for their CW munitions. This is public knowledge

This is a logical fallacy, argumentum ad populum, because you think something is so well-known that you don't need to prove it.

>>33626333
Nah, PMFs were designed to be multi-purpose containers that can be used to store anything from cluster munitions to binaries for CWs as they have been used for decades now.

>>33626328
Yes but why do it in the first place? Ask yourself that. There is zero to gain.

>>33626339
"If I repeat it enough without evidence, it must become a fact"

>>33626341
There is something to gain, it stopped the rebels dead in their tracks in that theater lol.

>>33626346
Are you denying PMFs are multi-purpose containers? They've been used for decades to store anything from cluster munitions to binaries.

>>33625927
WHY DID THIS NOT END THE THREAD

YOU CAN READ THE FUCKING LABEL

>>33626328
>Where did you claim they weren't?
That's a good question. Where, pray tell, did I say that PMFs cannot be used for sarin? I asked for evidence to support your claim, and asked what was more likely, they were used for sarin or for the cluster bombs sitting next to them pictured here >>33625498 and here >>33625927

>>33626352
>Gassing 80 non combatant civvies stopped rebels in their tracks

Ebin. Simply ebin.

>>33626311
>please be patient i have autism
He misspelled nitpicking on purpose, so you could nitpick about it and show everyone how you knitpick about useless stuff. Yes, the last one was on purpose. Sorry!

>>33626370
It did, HTS hasn't made any gains at all since the attack. Are you now claiming the rebel offensive wasn't effected by this attack?

Getting fucking gassed is quite the moral drainer, doesn't matter who you are.

>>33626368
PMFs can contain the precursors for CWs just fine and stored in the open, airfields, doesn't matter. They were designed to be multi-purpose containers.

>>33626388
Except for the fact he gassed civvies and not actual rebel forces.

>>33626352
>>33626339
>>33626286
>>33626251
>>33626228
>>33626215
>>33626195
>>33626182
>>33626151
>>33626131
>>33626103
>>33626037
>>33625961
>>33625822
>>33625797
>>33625741
>>33625712
>>33625563
>>33625490
>>33625406
>>33625307
>>33625264
>>33625249

Almost four years on /k/ and I've never seen a single point asserted so hard without a single citation.

This thread is an absolute trainwreck.

>>33626400
The village he gassed was a major stopping point for the rebels on their offensive in the south.

It stopped the entire rebel offensive dead in their tracks, are you denying this?

>>33626410
(you)

PMFs can contain binaries, prove me wrong.

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>>33626388
>PMFs can contain the precursors for CWs just fine and stored in the open, airfields, doesn't matter. They were designed to be multi-purpose containers.
>if I keep repeating the same thing maybe he'll notice I'm not actually addressing any relevant point.

>>33626419
When you're done wondering why this thread is laughing at you look up "burden of proof" and "Proving a negative"

>>33626286
>"i cant prove they are CWs"

Sooo, you admit you don't have any proof those are in fact CWs? Your argument therefor is effectively, i cannot prove that x is true but x is a valid belief until you prove it's impossible. as other posters have posted evidence indicating that those were in fact containers for cluster munitions. This is asking to prove a negative, which is logically retarded. You're effectively one step away from arguing god of the gaps at this point kiddo.

Also, you claim that these precursors are harmless and can "be stored in a open box in a factory" and that they are totally non dangerous.

However both precursors actually react readily with water and are organophosphates meaning that they produce milder versions of the symptoms of nerve agents(very bad particularly over any extended period of time). they could not be stored in the same way as conventional binary explosives, they are fairly toxic, and they would react with atmospheric water and rain over time to become useless or seriously degraded.

>>33626431
It is true, PMFs can indeed contain the storage capability to hold things such as precursors or even cluster munitions, all depends on what you want to put in it.

Are you denying PMFs cannot be used to hold things like binaries?

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>>33626026

>Did these idiots forget that Assad gassed a bunch of people in 2013

You mean after Americans recovered samples from Ghouta and then compared the physiochemical properties against the Syrian stockpiles which AMERICA was liquidating on the Mediterranean in a merchant marine vessel re-purposed for the task, and then Dempsey taking the evidence (or lack thereof) personally to Obama to halt the NATO strike, which was looming with a much broader scope than Trump's missile strike, on the grounds that they wouldn't be able to build a legal case?

Amazing how little you kiddies know. Fucking loud-mouth trailer trash.

>>33626419
Or maybe the rebels or groups attached did the gassing to civies to get more support in the fight on Assad? Instead of them magically stopping their offensive because 80 civvies got killed when far worse has happened before?

>>33626443
Well, PMFs were designed a long time ago to be used as multi-purpose storage containers. The Soviets used them for anything from CWs to things like cluster munitions, it entirely depends on what you want to put in it.

>>33626451
Quite the leap in logic since the rebels basically threw themselves at Mas'Ud almost immediately after the gassing along with the CP north of Muhradah.

So, now we've gone from the gassing did nothing, to the rebels did it so they could stop their offensive? Lol?

The rebels got blown the fuck out dude, the gassing combined with the amount of men they lost in the north Homs offensive is staggering proof they got wrecked.

>>33626444
>It is true, PMFs can indeed contain the storage capability to hold things such as precursors or even cluster munitions, all depends on what you want to put in it.
I've never denied this. I've repeated myself ad nauseum and can almost write your replies for you at this point.
>Are you denying PMFs cannot be used to hold things like binaries?
Have I ever? There's photo evidence that the ones in your photo were used for cluster bombs. Refute this.

>>33626481
Nah, don't have to, PMFs have been used for decades by the Soviets (now Russians and Syrian's) to store their binaries.

Quite simple stuff really.

>>33626478
I didn't say they did it to stop their offensive. This attack has done more to help the rebels than most things they could've done and it threw the target back on Assad. I don't think that's a leap in logic. Benefits the rebels far more than it benefits Assad.

>>33626500
>don't have to
Then you have no point and are shit posting

>>33626507
I get what you're saying based on the evidence we've seen and what munition was used, I don't believe the rebels have access to a jet that could drop an aerosol container.

Like where would they even get the starters for their binaries? It's much more likely the SyAF did this without Assad's consent on behalf of whatever local warlord was in the theater in my own opinion.

Sad thing is we'll never know for sure how it really went down.

>>33626514
Nah, I don't have to do anything, PMFs can be used to store binaries just fine.

>>33626410
>>33626436
>>33626431
>People making up stuff, so it looks like they are right and also pretend the represent everyone else in the thread.

>>33626449
>>33626401
Bring in the disinformation shill posts!

>>33626500
New guy, read the whole argument. You still haven't proved your original point.

First I'll say I'm inclined to believe it was Assad, and I happen to agree that the SAA is horridly incompetent. Fuck him and Putin.

Now that we've got that out of the way, let me explain something to you. It's called "burden of proof"

Here's how it works:

You ARE allowed to state that the sarin gas possessed by the SAA can be and probably is stored in PMFs, as there is evidence to support this.

You are NOT allowed to say that the image you provided is of PMF's containing sarin gas, as you have no evidence for this.

Provide evidence, and I'll shut up and support you. But until this, you're just as bad as a vatnik, going on endlessly about the same damned thing.

You keep coughing up the same facts but failing to correlate them to the actual gas attack.

And yes, my possibly disabled friend, you do have to do that, as the chance that out of the tens of millions of tons of ammunition used by Syria in this war, that specific bunch contained sarin which has barely eve been used in this war.

If you want us to believe that claim, you need PROOF.

And before you respond to this saying the same damned thing "I don't have to prove it", YES YOU FUCKING DO.

Jesus this site is more and more infested with 9-year old and 90-point IQs.

I love how these ''experts'' on foreign policy, Syrian military affairs, etc. immediately conclude that because such a move doesn't make sense to them it never happened and it was obvs the Jews. Ignorance is not a badge of honor.

>>33626539
It's so funny because its obviously one guy bitching and posting the same reaction images pretending like he is the rest of the thread lel, he already got caught samefagging several times and posting on CD.

>>33626590
>IP count didn't change
>same formatting
>new guy

Lol, PMFs can contain the binaries just fine and are used by the Syrian's because what else would they use, a fucking hole outside Damascus?

>>33626539
>Bring in the disinformation shill posts!

The (((narrative))) you're peddling is not even remotely logical. Why don't you Israeli-firsters come up with something believable?

>>33626602
See now you're just lying cause I am new dumb cunt. IP count DID change cause I AM new you dumb motherfucker.

I KNOW THAT. I DON"T GIVE A SHIT. GIVE ME ONE SHRED OF EVIDENCE ABOUT THOSE. SPECIFIC. CONTAINERS.

GO FUNd ME /help-american-move-to-russia/

Also, which one of you is this?

The reckless propaganda attacks continued through the Olympic and have never stopped. Then the Western elite took over Ukraine as part of the Soros, Brzezinski "chessboard strategy" to antagonize Russia and used that as a false pretense for an economic war on Russia. They desperately tried to destroy their currency. They tried to destroy their economy. They collapsed the price of oil. They told blatant lies about Crimea. They pounded Russia with propaganda for standing in the way of regime change in Syria using Islamic terrorists as proxies. They invented a ridiculous narrative about hacking to try to help Hillary Clinton and sabotage Trump. This then led to the ridiculous NeoMcarthyism taking place now.

But why does the Western elite really hate Russia so much?

The answer to that is simple and this was also part of my awakening. You have to understand how the world really works. Everything the Western elite does is about dollar hegemony and the control of energy. Any country that is not a puppet and stands in the way of those things is instantly branded an "enemy" and primed for regime change through destabilization and if that fails then proxy war or direct war.

>>33626626
Lol sure thing samefag, PMFs can contain the binaries just fine as they were designed to be multi-storage containers.

You think the SAA keeps what CWs they have in a cardboard box in the basement of some commie block?

>>33626624
>DA JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSSsSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

>>33626590
He said those can hold the binary for sarin in response to people who claimed they are filled specificly something else, never said those are filled with it, but asked for proof how they could know that there no sarin in them. But even that seems to be enough to trigger people.

>>33626628
50 rubles have been deposited into your account.

>>33626643
The funniest thing is i never once claimed the containers in the picture had sarin, I just said PMFs can contain sarin and that sent them into a rabid tail spin.

>>33626628
>move to a country with more gun restrictions

Get the fuck out of /k/.

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>>33625069

>S-SHILL!

>Hamburger-blasting Cheetoh-stained Mountain Dew connoisseurs magically become experts at Soviet munition containers in between futanari masturbation sessions.

/k/ - where Barfcom comes to laugh at you.

>>33626649
That go fund me is comedy gold

The purpose of my Gofundme is raising money in hopes of moving to Russia and building a new life there.

My entire adult life I have been a self employed business owner. I had always been a productive tax paying citizen. I made very good money in the early 2000's.

Then Barack Obama happened. Even though I dislike George W Bush who is also just a globalist puppet I at least made good money during his presidency.

When Barack Obama took office, I had $50,000+ in the bank. Now I am broke. How did I lose all my money? To make a long story short, eight years of hell. A bad economy, I bought a house thinking it was the smart thing to do and it didn't go up in value and just became a money pit, and general hopelessness and depression that comes with financial hardship. For eight years, I have felt like I have been stuck in a hole that I can't dig myself out of.

I am a great example of the failure of the Obama years. I went from being a big tax payer to having nothing. To make matters worse it looked like Hillary Clinton would be elected who is even worse than Obama.

Donald Trump getting elected provided a rare glimmer of hope that this country would improve. But after a month the globalists already have him by the balls and hes pushing the same Neocon foreign policy and talking points. So nothing has changed beneath the surface.

>>33626635
You want me to screenshot to prove I'm not? I'll do it just to shut your ass up.

I know, I know PMFs can contain sarin.

I imagine they store it at airbases, yes.

Now that I've agreed to that, could you please provide one iota of evidence that that specific picture of those specific munitions was of sarin containers?

You and that autistic partisan girl must have the same strain of autism.

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>>33626641

>MUH CHEMICALS

>MUH FSA

Israel-firsters, ladies and gents.

>>33626532
Yeah we can't know so I'll use my own reasoning and be skeptical and lean towards people who had something to gain did it versus someone shooting himself in the foot after his foreign policy prospects got better.

Even if it was rogue Syrian dudes it wouldn't warrant the US response.

>>33625047
Here's that same autist claiming they contain sarin.

>>33626661
Still it is tried try to spin a different story to it, it is a bit uncanny how often that happens in vatnik interests threads.

>>33626643
He said those can hold the binary for sarin in response to people who claimed they are filled specificly something else
>>33626661
>>>33626643
The funniest thing is i never once claimed the containers in the picture had sarin
>>33624621
>Here's a pic of un-boxed sarin gas tanks at the airbase before it was bombed.

>>33626685
But no one knows if it was or was not rogue Syrians. You're viewing from the perspective of a person assuming the US carried out the attack.

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>>33626677
Can you prove they aren't sarin? There are hundreds of those containers stored around the airbase, good luck proving that.

The entire argument is a non-starter and my point was to highlight how idiotic this entire thing is lol.

>>33626685
Syria is already an international pariah and the warlords on the ground don't give two fucks what people in west think about them m8.

>>33626699
Did you see how they tried to nitpick the precursors then finally gave up kek. This entire thread has been so funny to me, all you have to do is stick to your guns and they just go insane.

>>33626711
That post isn't mine, you quoted a completely random anon who posted that picture.

>>33626681
>It's....IT'S THE JEWS!
That's literally all you've said. Do you have anything else aside from ''IT'S THE JEWS?'' I mean, give us something fresh like...Mormons! A Mormon sex cabal being run out of a KFC.

>>33626643
>who claimed they are filled specificly something else

You can see the markings telling you exactly what's in them. You have no excuse.

>>33626711>>33625047

You did though

>>33626685
>my own reasoning
>be skeptical
>who had something to gain
Posterboy shill post, i literally cant stop laughing.

>>33626734
You can see the markings on ONE container out of possibly hundreds through the airbase.

>>33626741
No where in that post says the PMFs in that photo contain Sarin but rather claiming PMFs can contain binaries (which they can).

>>33626725
>>33626741
Is this a new form of trolling? Just quote random posts and claim they belong to someone who is arguing the opposite of the quoted posts?

>>33626725
Okay let's back up. Do you or do you not claim that those containers held sarin? Not COULD they hold sarin but DID they?

Also, they went insane cause you kept screeching the same fucking thing over and over again.

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>>33626743
The most confidant are those least qualified to give an informed opinion. It's amazing how many /pol/tards aren't in the highest echelons of government with all they know about everything like evil Jew cabals and pizza places.

>>33626762
Looks like it, the post he quoted mentions nothing about the picture but rather discussing what PMFs are lol.

>>33626725
>Did you see how they tried to nitpick the precursors then finally gave up kek.
Sure you didnt ment...knitpick? Cant believe he didnt got it.

>>33626749
>They are binary chemical weapons bud, sarin weapons aren't stored in green orbs like the movies or anything, it is just precursors in a box dude.
"They are binary chemical weapons bud, sarin weapons aren't stored in green orbs like the movies or anything, it is just precursors in a box dude. "

>>33626749
Actually in several of the photos taken at the area you can see the same labels. Nothing at all to indicate they had chemical weapons in.

>>33626762
>>33626768
Nope. just made an autistic mistake. My bad.

>>33626764
They could hold precursors just like they could hold anything else they were designed to hold.

>they went insane cause you kept screeching the same fucking thing over and over again.

That was the entire point!

>>33626772
KEK

>>33626774
Correct, binaries in PMFs don't look like anything special, this isn't the movies where they are mysterious, fel looking orbs that you use a slingshot to eradicate a village with.

>>33626779
You can see a handful at most. Weird that Russia doesn't let people come inspect them though!

>>33626670
Because you know, it's the fault of literally anything but your own ineptitude.

>>33626774
They, as in these containers in general, still trying to dragg stuff out of context? Or is it forgein autists with speech barrier problems night?

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>>33626727

>MUH CHILLUNS

>STOP THE BAD MAN WITH GAS

It's like you're a fucking caricature of a Kike puppet.

>>33626743
Yeah sorry I don't blindly eat the regurgitated neocon shit like you you pathetic nigger.

You're probably a cuck grunt too aren't you?

>>33626715
Which is the point. We don't know for sure who did or didn't do it and we're blindly trusting "organizations" that name Assad and then attacking an airfield that has been used to conduct attacks against ISIS? While also angering the Russians? Stupid as fuck. There's a reason old bastards like McCain are the ones pushing for this kind of action.

>>33626725
They will if the west decides it wants Iraq 2.0

>>33626792
But none of this proves the containers hold sarin. Putin doesn't let people in cause they'd find evidence of all the horrible war crimes Russia has committed. Still doesn't link it directly to sarin.

>>33626812
Russia is deeply invested in Syria to the point where they will do anything possible to prevent their work these past two years to be in vain. If that means swapping out Assad with the next Baathist in line to appease the west then so be it.

Iran/Russia/Hezbollah have shed far too much blood and resources propping up the Syrian regime to let it go down the drain because of a broken chain of command.

>>33626826
Indeed, and none of it proves there aren't any PMFs containing binaries either, the entire argument is a non-starter.

>>33626806
They, as in those specific containers. I hate putin and Assad, and I'm all-American, you fuckin faggot.

>>33626792
>binaries in PMFs

Uh, they're not called PMF's.

The one in the image is a PFM-1 container, which is Russian for anti-infantry high explosive mine.

It's the specific type of explosive it contains, it's not the name of the container.

>>33626842
No, I was clearly discussing PMFs in general. No where in that post explicitly states the PMFs in question contained Sarin, or even any mention of the PMFs in said picture.

>>33626812
But again, you're weighing a powerhungry senator vs. a dictator whose shown time and time again that he has no problem with war crimes, and next to no control over his military.

>>33626812
>>>my own reasoning
>>>be skeptical
>>>who had something to gain
>>Posterboy shill post, i literally cant stop laughing.
>regurgitated neocon
>pathetic nigger
>cuck grunt
>We don't know for sure
>blindly trusting "organizations"
>attacking an airfield that has been used to conduct attacks against ISIS
>McCain
The problem with post like yours is you cant tell anymore if it is general retardation or overdone trolling.

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>>33626251
>Assad is locked into a complete slog of a civil war with no real hope of regaining full control of his country, CWs could be deployed as an avenue for his regime to be curbstomped by a coalition of (((Western))) governments just waiting for the opportunity to launch a full regime change operation in the greater Anglo-Zionist-Saudi plot to end Iran, destroy the Shiites and possibly encroach on Russia.

Fixed for you. It all makes perfect sense!

>>33626842
Could you address me as they instead of you in the further posts? Would have a nice royal vibe to it.

>>33626850
Wrong, PMF-1 munition containers are multi-purpose storage containers. Did you google it and your first result was the mines, I know you did because thats the first result lol.

See:
>>33625069

They can contain virtually anything you want to put in them.

>>33626862
The West didn't do shit, they fragged an airbase and took out some old aircraft and radar/fueling facilities. They won't do anything more unless Assad provokes them. Russia and Iran are working very hard to roll back any damage that has been done.

>>33626838
Let's hope they do that. Regardless we eroded the relationship we could've worked with Russia for some shit attack In a Muslim shithole. Pointless and stupid and exactly what trump campaigned against.

>>33626856
>Has no control of his military
>West constantly talks like Assad personally orders these attacks

Every side has an agenda they're pushing and we're stuck in the middle with bullshit flanking all sides.

>>33626857
Still no argument just smug elitism. If you were half as smart as you thought you were I'm sure you'd come up with something.

Go back to watching the news little cuck grunt.

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>>33626877
>The West didn't do shit, they fragged an airbase and took out some old aircraft and radar/fueling facilities.

The precedent is established. More fake chemical attacks, more fake outrage = regime change.

Russia really has to put their foot down here otherwise the regime change comes to them in 15 years after Iran falls.

>>33626905
Trump is a neo-con dude, expect more irrational moves in the Middle East with no real long term thought on the impact they can cause.

Decapitating what remains of the Syrian government will unleash all kinds of hell on the region, the power vacuum it would create would be Libya 2.0 but much bloodier, it would ingite a brand new refugee crisis from all those urban areas the government controls.

>>33626911
>fake chemical attack

Lol.

>>33626877
>Wrong, PMF-1 munition containers are multi-purpose storage containers.

No, it's because ПФM-1 is PFM-1, which is a submunition mine they contain. The label on the picture you're quoting says that.

How the fuck are you trying to argue this with me? We can both see it

>>33626905
>Still no argument just smug elitism. If you were half as smart as you thought you were I'm sure you'd come up with something.
>Go back to watching the news little cuck grunt.
I am enjoying this very much, thank you for larping so passionately, i appreciate your effort.

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>>33624893
b...b...but...MUH PALESTINE!

THEY ARE STARVING!

>>33626911
>implying its fake outrage

>implying the attacks were fake

wew lad, either you're trolling or you honestly believe that shit, go back to your echo-chamber at /pol/, /k/ isn't accepting refugees.

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>>33624763
>assad barely controls his military anymore

Right, you're in a position to make this statement after evaluating the command and control structures of the Syrian central command in between masturbating to dick girls...

You people see these kinds of asinine posts, be aware of legit shills.

>>33626911
>The precedent is established

No, you're just being a fucking mouthbreather.

>Russia really has to

Perhaps the most entirely inconsistent nation on the face of this Earth, and you expect reliability from them? All they do is lie, cheat, steal, and suppress rights.

>>33626933
>implying there aren't some of us who know professionally

Anon, he isn't in control of his military directly, he never was. Any middle east expert, even the most pro Russian one, knows the amount of independence the SAA has, and Assad's Brother's personal division.

>>33626932

/k/ is a minor and largely irrelevant extension to /pol/. Know your place.

So you believe the Turkish government and the White Helmets, correct?

These are impartial actors in your estimation?

What exactly, is the medical name for the condition that you seem to suffer?

>>33623078
you mean the same street that independent reporters walked around touching everything without being affected in an area supposedly contaminated by a chemical weapon?

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>>33626959
>/k/ is a minor and largely irrelevant extension to /pol/.
Picture so old, still so right.

>>33626956

>professionally

Lowly clerks and technicians at best.

>Any middle east expert, even the most pro Russian one, knows the amount of independence the SAA has, and Assad's Brother's personal division.

Alright, let's play along and assume you're right. Do you have ANY evidence from impartial actors that there was even an attack in the first place?

>>33626810
The only thing you can say is JEWS. It's like Tumblr, but except RACIST! it's JEWS!

>>33626959
>impartial actors in your estimation

Look mommy, I'm using big words so I don't look like the paranoid shill I really am!

>>33626920
PFMs ARE the name of the container, they can have anything from mines, to cluster munitions like that picture has.

>>33626950
>inconsistent

You mean poor. Russia has an economy smaller than Spain.

BTW, what's your personal opinion of Russia influencing the elections?

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>>33627010

So you basically admit that you have no credible evidence, expect anyone to take the claims of the Turkish intelligence services, the Erdogan regime (same guy who imprisons university professors and murders journalists) as well as the White Helmets - a US funded disinformation group - seriously?

You have no fucking leg to stand on you worthless, servile shit.

And if you're so impressed with my vocabulary, read a book or something you hick.

>>33627002

>MUH GAS

>>33627014
What does PFM stand for then.

>>33626920
You have a bottle.
You glue a tomato ketchup label on it.
What can the bottle hold? Only ketchup?