AVENGE RHODESIA In the 1970s, Rhodesia, which was a prosperous

>>33600021
i would be down as long as we don't have to fight a competent army

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>>33600021
Rhodesia did nothing wrong.

>>33600021
>We
I didn't do fucking shit

>>33600021
Why do you retards who have never even been to Africa keep harping on about muh Rhodesia?

Africa fucking sucks, especially "Rhodesia", it's full of fucking niggers in the millions, the place is in ruins, the land is fucked, there's next to no resources left to harvest and export for money, even if you took control it would take decades and mountains of funding and importing to rebuild, funding and work a bunch of fat, out-of-shape parents house dwelling faggots on an anime image board can't possibly afford and there is zero fucking chance the international community is going to give a bunch of foreign based militants any form of help.

Make a new one somewhere less shit or just stay in whatever shithole you live in and make that place better.

Stay the fuck out of Africa and stop making these LARP threads.

t. African

>>33600021
South Africa is the Rhodesia of our time. The things the Boers are being subjected to would turn even /b/'s stomach. I'm talking about the gang raping of 4yo children, crucifying children, lighting children on fire, and the rape and murder of Boers by the tens of thousands. The fact that there is not a word spoken in the media indicates they are all complicit. The South African blacks are just as bad if not worse than ISIS, yet most people have no idea at all about what is going on down there currently.

>>33600608
we have the technology

>>33600684
I just got back from 3 weeks backpacking in S.A. near cape town, never saw shit all. Half the reason it's not in the news is cause all the touristy areas are pretty tame, pickpockets and petty crime mostly. If you want to help S.A., make what is going on in the lesser seen areas known

>>33600692
we can rebuild it

>>33600608
>Why do you retards who have never even been to Africa keep harping on about muh Rhodesia?

White supremacists fetishing it

>>33600472
>fight a competent army
Zimbabwe's army has periods of months without pay and most of their equipment has been beat to hell. The military they inherited is a shadow of what it once was. Thanks to the hyperinflation and infinity corrupt government there is no shot that issue will be fixed.

There are also only a handful of decent armies on the continent. What I would be worried about is if the Chinese seize the chance to go full colonial and send "peace keeping" troops to instal another inept jackass into power.

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>>33600021
Why do white people choose to live in Africa after the age of colonialism? It actually boggles my mind. Why don't they move back to whatever country colonized their area in the first place? Any European or North American nation is without a doubt going to offer a higher quality of life and be more receptive to whites.

I'm genuinely confused.

>>33600886
>My family has lived here for 5 generations
>Gee guess I'll just leave

>>33600910
Are you using the meme arrows to imply that you're actually a White African or are you just saying that would be there hypothetical thought process.

Once again, I'm legitimately curious.

>>33600886
Emigrating to the west has restrictions if you're white

>>33600920
I'm implying that's the thought process.

I guess I shouldn't complain since my family has been in Sweden since at least the 14th century and I'm considering emigrating after I get my degree.

>>33600920
Not him, but the Boers have been in Africa since 1652. There are many than can trace their ancestry back to the voortrekers that founded the Orange Free State and the Transvaal.

They are just as European as Americans are.

1. Zimbabwean army is shit, we /k/ommandos could easily beat them with a few hundred guys and disgruntled negroes.

2. Once we're in power, we only have to display minor competence to win the negroes' allegiance.

3. When the rest of the world unites against us, we ask for Russian support.

4. Muh white power

>>33600995
Better to leave before you get run over.

>>33601060
Good idea, Mugabe's bixnoods should stay out of our way

>>33600608
keyword: IS a shithole
wasn't before the genocide

>>33600740
>touristy areas are pretty tame, pickpockets and petty crime mostly
Yeah, it sounds great.
>If you want to help S.A., make what is going on in the lesser seen areas known
I was literally doing just that in the post you are replying to.

>>33601443
You people keep using that word

>>33600831
thank you, I actually really appreciate it when people care to comment on what I said

I've always wondered about Zimbabwe and what not, also I agree with you that China would arrange some stupid operation like that. Thanks anon

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>>33600815
>White supremacists fetishing it
>White solidarity is bad because politics are based on principles, principles which definitely have nothing to do with Whites!
>White supreme meme!
>Racist!
>White genocide lol!
Calling it a fetish is a nihilistic argument, which is self-defeating. Also, I hate you.

>>33600831
>china sending troops to afrika
top mother fucking kay eee kay
You puny little boys have no idea how geopolitics work and are waaaaay over estimating China and it's "army".
Go back to bed.

You fucking rhodeaboos are a bunch of dipshits.

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>>33600886
>>33600920
Because they become a distinct ethnic group. Do you really think an American or a Boer is indistinct from the countries they emigrated from centuries ago?

>>33601060
Except there will eventually be nowhere to run to. There is this idea in America that solidarity is for losers when that is the opposite of true.

>>33601643
>That pic
Only image that would be more /pol/ than this would be Pepe with a Trump wig and a swastika shaped cock ring.

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>>33601663
Why do I even try?

>>33601643
How come the only ones who are smiling are the Asians?

>>33601588
China has a huge interest in Africa and have since the 60s when they first put their dirty little fingers into the Bush wars by financing and arming rebel groups. Mugabe has a "look east" policy for fucks sake. The Chinese have already sent troops to South Sudan and have sent arms to Zimbabwe in 2008 when Mugabe was poised to loose the election. There were even rumors that China sent some advisors to Harare when things really started to look bad for ZANU.

Then shit like this happens in 2014.

http://www.zimbabwesituation.com/news/zimsit_china-plans-airbase-in-zimbabwe/

If they loose Mugabe they loose mining rights. Stop being a tard, don't underestimate Chinese greed.

>>33601703
They own the rooftops.

>>33601663
It's 100% true tho

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>>33601517
>You people keep using that word
Before the final act of genocide can happen, first you must disenfranchise them. Only a fool would believe otherwise. They are going to try to take away the Boer's land, and you're a fool if you don't see what happens next. The blacks are completely convinced that their unfortunate position is entirely whitey's fault. That is so completely untrue; the Boers are a great people.

So how and why did rhodies allow the blacks to win?

>>33601796
Foreign support is a decisive element in civil conflicts. That is also why apartheid was ended in S.A., and why they are now a real, actually oppressed minority.

>>33600021

There was a reason Africa as a while was great for white people in the past, and that's because they were the only people on the continent.

Since then the world view has changed, and blacks are now considered people, and when you can't enslave them you find that having loads of niggers isn't an asset it's a liability.

>>33600516
Thats the fucking problem, is that we didn't do shit to help them

>>33601887
>having loads of niggers isn't an asset it's a liability.
What are you getting at? What slavery?

>>33601887
You know, at least most rhodeaboos have a modicum of integrity and try at least to hide the fact that they are white supremacists.

>>33601796
They were massively outnumbered, and the US threatened to attack South Africa, which finally ended their support there.

The soviets had tens of thousands of troops + were arming the negros
The west was helping the communist blacks too.

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>>33600021
we turned our back because britain was still salty they ceceded
and the day mugabe is dead is the day the world gets better
MAKE HARARE SALISBURY AGAIN!

>>33601887
blacks in rhodesia weren't even bad, educated blacks aren't bad at all
the problem is they let the black supremacists who think education is the worst thing ever to come from the white devil come into power

>>33601985
>You know, at least most rhodeaboos have a modicum of integrity and try at least to hide the fact that they are white supremacists.
You sound like a whiney antifaggot that doesn't like other opinions because nazis or something.

If you're going to bait, at least try. 4/10.

>>33601943

Not literal slavery, but government systems and social constructs which are favourable to whites. Apartheid, white land ownership in Zimbabwe, resource exploitation with profits all gong to white owned and run companies.

Once you lose the ability to exploit them and their resources, there really is nothing to gain. Apartheid fell to Mandela and the ANC, Rhodesia fell to the commies, both of them went from white colonial rule to black rule, from shining examples in their respective fields to shitstains of crime, violence, starvation and corruption. The golden era of whites in Africa is over, it ended when blacks realised they have rights and whites (as a general rule) were violating them.

>>33602057
Don't make me post that new anti fa pasta you fucking cunt.

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>>33602075
Do it faggot, you sound like you want to anyway.

>>33602045
>educated blacks aren't bad at all
If you keep them in their place, in a strictly second class status, and don't let them vote

Sure, you can live with them.

But as we've seen, that sort of system is not sustainable in the face of egalitarian propaganda

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>>33602061
but when zimbabwe implodes like venezuela and mugabe dies, just about anyone will be able to buy it out for literal dollars
>>33602144
>educated blacks
>treat them like second class citizens
if they're educated they know what's right just like educated whites
you don't treat them like second class citizens or they have a reason to fucking call you racist and overthrow you then be racist right back to your ass
why do you fucks not understand racism never works against anyone
it didn't work for us and it isn't working for the blacks
not in the same way, but it failed either way

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>>33600815
/pol/ might like it for white supremacist reasons, but /k/ just loved the fighting.

>>33602174
>if they're educated they know what's right just like educated whites

Except "educated whites" are generally commies who want to see all white people dead

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>>33601985
>rhodeaboos have a modicum of integrity and try at least to hide
>integrity
>hide
Holy shit. And then
>the fact that they are white supremacists
lol but wait, it gets better
>Don't make me post that new anti fa pasta you fucking cunt.
El oh fucking el.

>>33602014
>because britain
Exactly. Rhodesians, Boers, and Americans should all be able to agree the English were the real bad guys.

>>33602217
that's because they're "educated" with left wing propaganda

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>>33602203
I just hate commies.

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>>33602234
Nah, just the labour party and UN. "Self determination" within specific guidelines.

>>33601913
>Thats the fucking problem, is that we didn't do shit to help them
>we

I was born in 1984 but Rhodesia fell in 1979, what the fuck was I supposed to do?

>>33602284
pick up a sperm rifle and help out Rhodesia

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>>33600021
>rhodesia had already fell before you were born

>>33602174
>why do you fucks not understand racism never works against anyone
But it does. It has worked against conservatives practically since the term was invented, because taking your own side is bad, even when you're dealing with dishonest opportunists.

>>33602306
no, it doesn't
someone's gonna get prejudiced against you, and eventually they're going to get power SOMEHOW, and that's when you, or your children, or your children's children will pay the price
if you aren't racist against them, they won't become prejudiced against you, and they can't use racism as an argument against you
if you think well adjusted, educated blacks are bad purely because they have dark skin, or they "don't exist", then you need to get your head out of your ass

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>>33602203
I'm pretty sure that pic is Executive Outcomes

>>33602306
Not that anon but personally I think it's pretty simple to use the golden rule. If you treat people as equals and they still rebel, come down on the rebels like a fucking sledgehammer.

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>>33602203
>>33602368
Ah shit really? If so whoops.

>>33600021
I wonder what the protocol was to get hired by a government as a mercenary back then.

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>>33602389
Still cool, still fighting, I'm sure /pol/ likes it cuz it's white people fixing Africa. I saved it anyway.

>>33601039
This.
I honestly think /k/ could defeat them but not because /k/ommandos are tier 1 operators, but because the Africans are simply a pack of retards who just may be the one army we can beat. Now, the problem would roll in AFTER we seize control is holding it.I mean sure we can kill Africans but can we lead them?

>>33601643

I love how the Russians are like a half shade darker than the rest of the whites lol

>>33602464
Get the country working again set up non-rigged elections and I think they'd be pretty damn happy.

>>33602464
>I mean sure we can kill Africans but can we lead them
educate them
be it with right wing propaganda, or whatever, and they'll follow your lead

>>33602237
This. FUCK commies.

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>>33602375
Part of being a law abiding individual comes from social pressure, a.k.a. policing your own. The reason we can't treat out-groups as individuals is that they do not identify with our values and will not respond to that kind of social pressure. However, if you collectivize the punishment of out-groups, then they will police themselves. Individualism only works for the in-group.

Game theory can explain why ethnocentrism outperforms humanism, and this truth explains the evolution of tribalism. Being moral doesn't mean we should commit suicide, anon. We have the right to freedom of association. A nation's right to defend itself is simply an extension of an individual's right to self-defense.

It also bears mentioning that there is one heuristic that fits extremely well when you try to characterize the disparate groups in coalition against conservatives: they are all anti-White. It is the only thing that unites feminism with Islam, environmentalists with open-borders activists, blacks with Asians, etc., etc. Simply call them anti-white; they have no arguments because it's true.

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>>33602650
>However, if you collectivize the punishment of out-groups, then they will police themselves.
If you need evidence of this principle in action, look no further than the accusations of racism ITT. Non-whites treat Whites as an out-group, collectivizing the responsibility of a few slave-holding individuals with their countrymen and their posterity. The response of Whites is... to police their own. However, due to the post-modern definition of racism, Whites' ability to define others as an out-group is defeated. We have to use "dog-whistles" and "code words" which are easily defeated by calling it what it really is. I could go into why I think racism is such an effective smear of White people, but that is beside the point. The first thing for you to realize is almost all the political defeats on the right have been along this front.

>>33601588
There are already Chinese troops in Africa. Quite a few and widely dispersed, actually. Just fucking google "Chinese troops in Africa", you stupid moron. How can you not know this

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>>33602963
>I could go into why I think racism is such an effective smear
Please do, you're making some good points. This thread is already political as fuck so you can't ruin it by dropping some redpills

>>33602650
Honest question: has collective punishment ever actually worked in history? It seems like killing a bunch of unrelated people would just cause a domino effect of getting more rebels.

>>33602963
>>33603427
Here's hoping this thread doesn't get too /pol/ to where it gets deleted.

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>>33603511
Not him but I would say when an entire population is converted to a new religion it has:

>destroy holy sites
>adopt enough of the old beliefs to make the new religion palatable
>lure in some of the believers
>kill the holdouts
>this pushes those on the fence convert
>in a few generations nobody remembers the old religion

You break a people's spirit until they don't remember being broken. Look at Europe with Christianity and the Mid East with Islam. 2017 years ago they were all pagan.

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Reminder that like apartheid SA, Rhodesia was a zionist proxy state heavily backed by Israhell

>>33604045
You think everyone and everything is a zionist proxy , /pol/.

>>33604045
The Israelis make good weapons, you gave to give them that. Also, if both the West and the commies are against you and Isreal is the only country willing to help you, wouldn't you turn to them at least for as long as you needed them?

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>>33604045
>Reminder that the US is a zionist proxy state heavily controlled by Israhell
It sucks but one of the costs of living in a developed country is being a Israeli sock puppet

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>>33603427
One theory is that environmental factors combined with the chance of history encouraged a certain culture/morality that was conducive to a high-trust society. This would explain how Europeans were able to run their institutions with relative efficacy. However, over time decadence erodes in-group preference, and so we allowed people who didn't have the high-trust society we had to share our institutions. I think how this happens is the lack of adverse outcomes leads to an underdeveloped amygdala, which is associated with less in-group empathy. However the actual process works, the result is widespread corruption and fragmentation as the invaders/minorities vie for dominance.

>>33603511
>has collective punishment ever actually worked in history
Yes, it's called "war." Classical rules of war considered all subjects of the opposing nation state to be enemies, and rightly so. However, it is usually more effective to target the military sections of society (but not always).

But you're talking about civil conflicts, aren't you? In multi-ethnic empires, one cannot craft laws to fit everyone with anything approaching efficiency, and empires really want conformity not efficiency. Generally, each group would be entirely justified in preferring local rule. The problem America fell into is that we could not practice empire abroad while keeping a republic at home. We were not bad as a biracial republic, and segregation was humane by most accounts. Though I think that was an exception to the rule, and minorities are usually mistreated. Minority rule is also really bad; they are always swallowed up or cast off.

The fairest solution is for each group to rule itself as separate sovereign nations. Fences make good neighbors you know, and you're in for a hard lesson when you take them down without knowing why they were put there in the first place.

>>33600740
Guess you only visited the tourist containment area ae'der?

>>33604045
>>33604102
>>33604186
This has a lot to do with modern Christianity, frankly. Christians think Zionist Jews are like those good ol' Old Testament Jews for some reason.

>>33604045
No not really. They were at the time both considered pariah nations. Jews just wanted minerals while funding black commies via ussr.

>>33600021
As with the rest of Africa, control went back and forth with the one with the most cunning and power. First diamonds. Along came farming. Then oil. It wont end until maybe there is a strong central government.

>>33602363
This

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>>33602363
>if you aren't racist against them, they won't become prejudiced against you,
I'm afraid this is wrong. Pic related.
>if you think well adjusted, educated blacks are bad purely because they have dark skin, or they "don't exist", then you need to get your head out of your ass
I didn't say they were "bad," only that I don't want them in my society. I'm a libertarian, so I think it is only right that they are allowed to live free in their own society. Ironically, ending segregation was the worst thing we could have done to the black community, because all the educated blacks that would otherwise serve as leaders in the places they grew up move to White neighborhoods. Viola, permanent black underclass.

>>33600021

good

keep your anus loose dylann roof

>>33605123
Have fun paying for your wife's black son

>>33604045
Israel was actually the only country that supported Rhodesia until the bitter end

UK/France/Belgium abandoned support in the late 50s/early 60s when anti-apartheid stuff became really popular domestically

South Africa abandoned support in the late 60s to try and improve relations with UK and show they were "different" than those evil Rhodesians

Portugal abandoned support after their revolution in the 70s

Fun fact: the last aircraft to fly out of Rhodesia and not Zimbabwe was an Israeli air force C-130 carrying Rhodesian intell/military officers who feared persecution under Mugabe. They eventually ended up settling in Argentina IIRC.

>>33605148
>marrying a woman

nice try, i married my guns

>>33605150
The first plane that flies into New Rhodesia will be carrying white South Africans to their new homeland

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>>33601060
fucking savage.

>>33605150
>Argentina
At this point I wouldn't surprised if a quarter of the population are ex military escapees.

>>33601663
I think I have that one...

/pol/ time.

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Daily reminder that despite how shitty Zimbabwe is and how cool the Selous Scouts were, that Rhodesia was a racist apartheid states that black citizens would be perfectly justified in rebelling against. Most of the anti-apartheid reforms that people cite to prove Rhodesia wasn't racist come from the Internal Settlement passed after the government had lost the Bush War and the guerrillas had surrounded the capitol.

> inb4 muh short shorts

Yeah, Fireforce was cool as fuck, that doesn't make Rhodesia not a racist apartheid state. If you support racist apartheid states, that's fine by me, but don't try to hide what you're supporting.

>>33602075
carry out the aforementioned deed, sodomite.

>>33604227
>I think how this happens is the lack of adverse outcomes leads to an underdeveloped amygdala, which is associated with less in-group empathy. However the actual process works, the result is widespread corruption and fragmentation as the invaders/minorities vie for dominance.

you pulled this right out of your ass

>>33605272
>Most of the anti-apartheid reforms that people cite to prove Rhodesia wasn't racist come from the Internal Settlement passed after the government had lost the Bush War and the guerrillas had surrounded the capitol
Wrong, the government still had control of other cities and territories. Secondly, the Internal Settlement Plan was set up with moderate Black African Groups such as Sithole's ZANU (Who agreed to surrender their arms peacefully and come to compromise with the Rhodesian Front Government, which created a big schism against Mugabe's ZANU-PF), and Muzorewa's United African National Council. The Zimbabwe-Rhodesian government still had control of their nation by the time elections arrived and the ZANU PF and ZAPU were still relying on camps and bordering nations to provide refuge. The main reason how they managed to get an upperhand is cry to the UN how they were rejected in the elections for being terrorists (Even when they had a chance to participate in the Internal Settlement Plan, hence the Schism) while shooting down 2 civillian airliners with Soviet supplied missiles

>>33605413
To further add, the war ended by the time the British convinced both parties to become a colony and set up another election under the Lancaster House Agreement, which was three months later. Britain took control of the whole nation and both parties decided to cease fighting for the sake of participation of the election. At no time was the capital of Salisbury surrounded by an organzied forced of insurgents that was still practicing guerilla warfare

>>33605413
>still denying reality after 3 decades
>thinks the rebels got the military upper hand by complaining to the UN, which was not even present in the area

rhodieboo rearguards are even funnier than vietnam rearguards

>>33605272
>prove Rhodesia wasn't racist
They were on their way, but it just didn't happen fast enough. Just like the South, slavery would have been made obsolete by advances in automation in a matter of decades and we could have avoided the bloodiest war in our history. But look what impatience has resulted in for the Zimbabweans. They were not ready to take over and now they are starving.

>>33605354
>you pulled this right out of your ass
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3092984/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24367583
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3079404/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22571458
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3265335/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22571458
http://pss.sagepub.com/content/early/2013/05/13/0956797612466415.abstract
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biology_and_political_orientation

>>33605470
No one thought Hitler would one day make Germany more powerful than ever before

>>33602237
The interviews and documentary clips on YouTube about the raid are fucking epic

>>33605510
>what is intent and causality

perhaps the japs lost ww2 because they wanted to make better cars than detroit

>>33605470
>Denying reality
>Not a single source citation
>hurr durr muh rhodieboos
And there you go showing your retardation and thirst for (you)'s. How about you read a book.
>Abbott, Peter; Botham, Philip (June 1986). Modern African Wars: Rhodesia, 1965–80. Oxford: Osprey Publishing. ISBN 978-0-85045-728-5.

>Britannica (1976). Britannica Books of the Year 1971, 1972, 1974 and 1976: Events of 1970, 1971, 1973 and 1975 (First ed.). Chicago, Illinois: Encyclopædia Britannica, Inc. ISBN 978-0-85229-158-0.

>Lohman, Major Charles M.; MacPherson, Major Robert I. (7 June 1983). "Rhodesia: Tactical Victory, Strategic Defeat" (PDF). War since 1945 Seminar and Symposium. Quantico, Virginia: Marine Corps Command and Staff College. Retrieved 19 October 2011.

>Moorcraft, Paul L.; McLaughlin, Peter (April 2008) [1982]. The Rhodesian War: A Military History. Barnsley: Pen and Sword Books. ISBN 978-1-84415-694-8.

>Sibanda, Eliakim M. (January 2005). The Zimbabwe African People's Union 1961–87: A Political History of Insurgency in Southern Rhodesia. Trenton, New Jersey: Africa Research & Publications. ISBN 978-1-59221-276-7

>>33602237
>stooping so low as to allow commies to gain the moral high ground

that takes some doing

>>33605654
Wrong. The rebels claimed it was a refugee camp. Later evidence provided by captured ZANLA documentation proved that they were active combatants and combatants being trained
>Stiff, Peter; Reid-Daly, Lt. Col. Ron (1982). Selous Scouts: Top Secret War. Alberton (South Africa): Galago. pp. 397–406

>>33605654
>he thinks we aren't all communists now
Wealth leads to resentment leads to government intervention leads to forced equality leads to stagnation leads to barbarian invasion.

>>33605647
>thinks copypasting a bunch of lines from a wikipedia bibliography is a source citation

how about you quote the actual relevant text in said books

or you can just read the part of the wikipedia article which you ignored because it didn't fit your narrative

>The larger problem was that by 1979, combined ZIRPA and ZANLA strength inside Rhodesia totalled at least 12,500 guerrillas and it was evident that insurgents were entering the country at a faster rate than the Rhodesian forces could kill or capture. In addition, 22,000 ZIPRA and 16,000 ZANLA fighters remained uncommitted outside the country.
>By putting the civilian population at risk, ZIPRA and the ZANLA had been particularly effective in creating conditions that accelerated white emigration. This not only seriously undermined the morale of the white population

tldr: this means the Rhodesians lost the bush war.

>>33605691

The moral high ground is not in reference to one battle, dimwit.

The reference is on western support for Rhodesia pre-UDI allowing the communists to claim the moral high ground in support of the native rebels.

>>33600472
>Africans
>competant army

Pick one

>>33602491
That's central Asians I bet Russians are whiter than whatever shit balls country you come from

>>33605705
>implying you are thinking at all with your pseduo-intellectual bullshit

speak clearly and explain your words, this is an 18+ board

>>33605706
1.) Not once did I say they lost the bush war.
2.) None of the sources say their capital was surrounded (Yes, I have taken the time and effort to research those sources in libraries for an AP world history project.)
3.) You're changing your argument.
First you say their capital was surrounded, then you say I'm denying that they lost the bush war.
Well let me break it to you bud, sporadic groups of guerrilla caches in the countryside doesn't mean they have surrounded the population centers. A majority of the fighting and combat was in rural areas to exploit the uneducated peasant population into supporting their cause. Not once had they decided to do a strategic siege of the cities. Then you claim that the Internal Settlement was after the Bush War, which is also incorrect as the war was still going on.

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>>33605745
>western support for Rhodesia pre-UDI allowing the communists to claim the moral high ground
Fun fact: the word "racist" was coined by Trotsky

>>33605766
>speak clearly and explain your words, this is an 18+ board
Feel free to respond to any of these, mister mature 4chan user
>>33602650
>>33602963
>>33604227
>>33605102
>>33605503

Daily reminder that white Rhodesians were as dumb as the blacks, and killed 40000 elephants because they believed they were destroying the environment.

>>33605791
>AP world history project

oh lawdy, we get to read the revisionism of an infant with an ideological axe to grind

>Not once did I say they lost the bush war

Yes, that means you are wrong.

>None of the sources say their capital was surrounded

In COIN, failure to control and protect the countryside means they are surrounded, i.e. islands of control in a sea of hostility. Same with Vietnam. No one claims the US military bases were surrounded and under siege (except for a few cases), but they were indeed surrounded by hostile territories.

>You're changing your argument.

No, you.

>strategic siege
>in COIN

topkek

>Then you claim that the Internal Settlement was after the Bush War, which is also incorrect as the war was still going on.

Rhodesia already lost the war by 1978, deal with it.

Here is a juicy read
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhodesia_Regiment
>The Regiment was virtually destroyed in the last year and a half of the COIN war after being stocked by rapidly trained African volunteers and conscripts from 'civvie street'. At the same time the experienced European members, many of them family men, were emigrating to South Africa as the end drew near, so that by December 1979 the Regiment was barely recognisable for what it had once been, all through its long association with the colony and republic of Rhodesia. Morale was shattered and the Regiment, as happened to many others, disappeared when the British peacefully took over the executive powers of the country, Zimbabwe-Rhodesia, in that month. With the creation of Zimbabwe, the Rhodesia Regiment ceased by definition.

>>33605853
>the people who turned an African wasteland into a paradise in a mere generation were as dumb as the blacks who had created nothing over millennia
Okay, what you mentioned sounds more like a lack of good information than anything else.

>>33605843
>Fun fact: the word "racist" was coined by Trotsky

oh rly

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism#Etymology.2C_definition_and_usage
http://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2014/01/05/260006815/the-ugly-fascinating-history-of-the-word-racism

oh look even the white supremacist site doesn't think trotsky came up with it

http://nationalvanguard.org/2015/06/on-the-origin-of-the-word-racist/

>>33602237
>>33602598
How many of you actually lived during the Cold War?

>>33600608
>next to no resources left to harvest and export for money
So are you actually retarded

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>be me
>see Rhodesia thread
>jump in expecting many glorious images of short short clad operators removing commies with their babby poop FALs
>instead find a bunch of /pol/tards autistically screeching about MUH WHITE GENOCIDE
>mfw this is what my beloved /k/ has become

>>33606064
>containment board moot said
>it'll be fun moot said

>>33606064
Hey buddy, you forgot the enabling retards and their whole MUH RAYCISM AND APARTHEID argument

>>33606064
Rhodesia will rise again

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>>33602363
>someone's gonna get prejudiced against you, and eventually they're going to get power SOMEHOW, and that's when you, or your children, or your children's children will pay the price
>if you aren't racist against them, they won't become prejudiced

>>33605947
The word "race" has existed for a long time, but it was applied in many different ways. Per your sources, in 1902 Richard Henry Pratt used "racism" to mean NOT forcefully assimilating Indians. Whereas Trotsky used it in the opposite sense of RESISTING universalism, e.g. communism, liberalism, progressivism, etc.

>>33606129

wew laddie

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>>33606064
Who do you think is going to join the South African civil war? Do you think it will be exclusively /k/ browsers, exclusively /pol/ browsers, or will it be /pol/ac/k/s?

>>33606241
Hopefully none. There's no hope of white South Africans taking their country back, but we can bring them into our new Rhodesia to balance out the negroid population

>>33600021
They were independent and did not want any foreign intervention, get the fuck over it or kill yourself.

>>33606143
Surely this time Marxism will unlock the mystery of turning off human behavior

>>33606261
Holy shit that's smart. There must be several million whites in South Africa, so if they moved to Rhodesia, they'd suddenly make up like 40% of the population

>>33606241

None of the above. The /k/ommandos will remain on /k/ and argue about tactics and gear, and the /pol/lacks will continue to sperg out about jews and white genocide on every available internet page they can find.

>>33606311
They aren't moving. The ones who haven't left yet are living on 6th generation farms. They will stay or they will die.

>>33606348
I think White nationalists ex-military types will outnumber disinterested /k/ mercenaries. I could be wrong.

>>33606373
The white nationalists tend to have little to no combat training or experience, as the refuse to "fight for the Jew"

>>33606144
>Trotsky wasn't the first person to use the word
>Trotsky used the term in a way that is entirely different from the contemporary meaning

Then he didn't fucking coin the word now did he?

>>33606459
You have no idea how many white nationalists I met while in the military.

>>33606064
Better get used to it, it's been like this for a while. Not that I support it, it's just an undeniable fact now that /k/ is basically an extension of /pol/.

>>33606373
Lmao sick meme.
Most of these WN's are still forcing the "based stickman meme".
The only white nationalists who are probably combat ready would have to be at least late 30's to mid 40's, be ex-military, and involved in groups like the American National Socialist Movement.
All the other "white nationalists" are LARPing faggots who participate in their pathetic "meme war" and think they are doing valuable things for the movement and "the fight against the Jew".

>>33606724
Also forgot to point out that a good majority of people who identify as a WN are the latter as compared to ones who have had involvement with that ideology for years and have actual combat experience.

>>33606570
Wat country and/or branch?

>>33606468
>Trotsky used the term in a way that is entirely different from the contemporary meaning
How is it different? If you think Trotsky didn't use it in a derogatory fashion you are wrong. Essentially he thought we could all begin again after a tabula rasa, and anyone who disagreed would be the victims of history. Pretty much in complete agreement with le current year.

If you are referring to the post-modernist definition of "prejudice+power" I will concede the point, but only fringe leftists and humanities departments understand it that way. Trotsky popularized the form most people understand, that it is racist to believe identity cannot or should not be overcome with some universal ideology.

The prior use of the word in 1902 that NPR cites represents a meaning that no one, not even actual Neo-Nazis, understands it today, that is something along the lines of manifest destiny.

>>33606724
>Most of these WN's blah blah
Okay, that's not what I was asking. I was asking, of the people that do go, which groups will they come from?

>>33606760
Not him but my platoon sergeant was, for one.

>>33606789
Were there non-whites in your platoon/company?
If so, how did he treat them; did he view them as fellow soldiers or as unwanted invaders/not American?

>>33606831
He made lots of racist jokes. That was about it. The one black squad leader didn't like it. There was one other black guy in my platoon, but he was an African so he was more racist than anybody. The Hispanics didn't care.

>>33606873
Huh.
Sounds to me like he was just some edgy /pol/ack or was just vaguely racist. I always thought white nationalists would be more serious or at least say "non whites get out reeeee" or something. Whatever I guess.

>>33606873
Also
>African was more racist than everybody
top wew

>>33606891
>Huh.
That's because your familiarity with WN ends at /pol/. Look, WN isn't about hating individuals, it's about seeing how people act as groups. I can get along with black people, but I am still White and he is black.
>>33606900
>top wew
Have you ever met someone from Africa?

>>33606064
There are literally more comments of people complaining about /pol/ than there actually are /pol/acks being racist.

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>>33600684
>The fact that there is not a word spoken in the media indicates they are all complicit.

Actually, Turkish media has reported on it.

https://www.dailysabah.com/africa/2016/04/27/more-than-1000-white-farmers-killed-in-south-africa-since-1990

>>33606915
So I am getting the impression that you are a WN?
(not that there is something inherently wrong with that, it's just that I prefer not to be. Casual racism is fine though because everyone is racist to some degree)
Also I'm messing with you, I have heard from others that native Africans can be quite racist, even to other African ethnicities.

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>>33606990
>So I am getting the impression that you are a WN?
I'm a radical traditionalist, 100% Polish trans-American, butch lesbian trangender male, and I use he, him, and his pronouns. My favorite gun is the AK, and my favorite color is green.

>>33606990
All of history & the world works in terms of groups, aka nations

To push the liberal agenda they have created a totalitarian police state unlike anything in history. Noone even sees the problems which exist or are developing..
All of society is fucking dysfunctional, and our rulers hate our existance.

>>33607117
Sweet, good to know.
Nice chatting with ya.
Good night.

>>33606986
>Since 1990, a total of 1,081 white commercial farmers have reportedly been murdered in South Africa
That's about 10% of farmers, and the figures for non-farmers are also bad. Since democracy was established, about 2% of Whites have been murdered out of a population over 4,000,000.

>>33600021
>We turned our backs on them. We forced them to make a treaty with the reds that put Mugabe in power.
I think you're missing the part where they were losing the fucking war

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>>33607225
>2% of Whites have been murdered out of a population over 4,000,000.
That's the same percentage of Jews living in America. Imagine if we KILLED EVERY JEW in the country.

>>33600608
>settling a land of savages can't be done.
>Literally never happened through history guys!

What a defeatist pussy attitude. How weak of a man you must be.

Why should I fight for my white """"brothers""""? I'm primarily a Norwegian, I don't give a fuck about Dutch people or Polish people just because they have white skin. Fuck off with your New World garbage.

>>33607473
Breivik was 100 % in the right

>>33607473
My wife has Norwegian heritage. That's some sweet pussy, bro.

>>33607505
He was a kike asslicker

>>33607511
>muh heritage
Your wife is probably an European mutt like most of you are

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>>33607473
Then don't fight you little attention whore. Go fucking wait for Sweden to collapse cus "who cares about Race right? XD" and see your shithole be swallowed up because of your faggotry.

>>33607528
>"who cares about Race right? XD"
I care about ethnic Norwegians faggot. I never said africans and other niggers are welcome.

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>>33607531
If you haven't noticed, Europeans are a minority in the world. You can be a particular nationalist or a pan-European nationalist, it doesn't matter. The rest of the world sees you as White. "Why does it matter what they think?" you might ask. Because you cannot decide where or how you will fight your battles, at least not all of them. If the enemy attacks you by sea, you cannot defend by massing troops on land. Europeans and their descendants are on the defensive. We will not survive without solidarity.

>>33607238
only as a result of everyone else turning their back on them

I don't think anybody here will actually do anything, /pol/ has been playing around with the idea of creating their own micro nation for years now and they always fail. Every thread is always "We should make our own white nation, we're all engineers right so we can do it! :)" only to find out that very few of them have any kind of post-secondary education or real life experience. We counted all the people with any form of useful skills and even with counting hobbyists as professionals we still lacked electricians, plumbers, energy engineers or building engineers. We got a lot of guys with "strong backs who could do manual labor" so I guess they'd be able to do something, the "farmer" was a guy who kept potted plants in his living room, the soldier (whose job was to fight real armies that try to remove us from the territory as well as fight thieves) was a guy who's dad owned a shotgun, the mechanic was a guy who said he wasn't going since he had a pretty good life where he lives and couldn't convince his gf to follow (we still counted him though). Then the problem of porn came, you know the story, one guy likes men, another likes hentai, another likes feet and another wants to kill the them for fapping. Whenever we had to do any discussion on laws it always devolved into fighting, "porn should be banned", "women shouldn't vote", "non-whites shouldn't be allowed to have kids" and even gun rights was fight over since guys where afraid that crazy people would have guns and kill them in their sleep, others asked how'd they even get guns there. Then the question of "how do we get women to join" always gets brought up" someone always says something like "women won't come in the beginning but once our society gets prosperous they'll join" and I guess he's right but how prosperous is a village without running water?

>>33607563
>The rest of the world sees you as White
New Worlders sees you as White*

fixed. "White" is an idiotic identity killing term only used by Anglos. Europeans judge other ethnic Europeans by nationality

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>>33607531
But the world doesn't care about (((Ethnic Norwegians))).

Do you understand now?

>>33607590
The problem for them is that they couldn't escalate, they fought asset full force from the beginning and yet didn't win while their opponents kept getting stronger as the war progressed.

Also the Catholic church was against them.

>>33607611
I'm English and understand that Ethnicity can only come back once we regain our lands back. Until then it's a team Europe thing, or White.

>>33607591
If anything, the Namibian Plan is still ongoing, but away from the eyes of the public after vice news decided to screw them over. Last I recall on the update (Which was 2-5 years ago), they were in the middle of a fundraiser and/or trying to get some sort of investment for the business town they're trying to establish there. Dunno about now since I haven't been on the other chans for a while

>>33607611
I was talking about the North Africans and Middle Easterners that are invading your continent and the South Americans that are invading mine, Olaf. Work on your English and I promise to learn the difference between Swedes and Norsk.

>>33607617
What defines "white"? Are Greeks white? Are Spaniards white? Are North Africans with brown hair and green eyes white?

>>33607630
Who defines your family? Is your second cousin your family? Third cousin, twice removed? Half-brother? Step-brother?

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>>33607640
yeah nah I won't fall for you (((pan-europeanism))) new world-tier tricks. I want my people to keep blonde hair and blue eyes, and not mix with swarthy """white"""" Europeans. We're really not the same people at all, despite being from Europe.

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>>33607630
Turks are white right?

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>>33607651
Of course :^)

>>33607664
Good, otherwise, geeks and anybody in the Balkans wouldn't be white since they're half-Turks :^)

>>33607648
That doesn't change how non-whites see you though. I'm from Minnesota, btw. Very Scandinavian and guess what else? They also have a Somalian problem, too! Just like you guys do! What are the odds, eh? Scandis and Somalians are like magnets!

>>33607630
>what defines "White"

Obviously Northern Europeans are mostly the Whitest, but at the minute we need allies, so shitting on Greeks and Italians won't help us.

>>33607648
No one is saying for you to lose your phenotype, you dumb norwegian faggot. We're saying we need to defend Europe and Europeans.

So you being a broody cunt up in the North while your Nation is being rapes (literally) and the Southern Europe crumbles, helps no one.

Consider Europe protective umbrella for your people.

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>>33607670
I wonder (((who))) puts them there?

>>33607225
> 1000

More people die in florida a year to overdoses

>>33600815
Same way they have a fetish for the confederate South and Nazi Germany. Funny how those white Utopias all failed in less then a generation

>>33601039
And Russia helps you because?

>>33607700
At least we put up a good fight. Africans got what? A handful of African warlords fighting over mud and sticks using children? Can't even war properly, ignorant negroids.

>>33607700
What is a world war, you dumb faggot?

>>33607688
What are proportions?
>>33607700
Keep shitting on Southerners and Germans, it actually reinforces our identity.

>>33602464
Africans tend to not bother listening to other more educated africans... They sure as shit aint going to listen to fat whitey, they'll wait till you're sleeping, then slit your throat before burning down the food silos.
Then once all the dust has settled, they'll want more handouts.

>>33607675
Calvinists?

>>33606891
You have no idea what nationalism is do you?

>>33605636
Nah, they just needed an excuse to make more hentai

>>33606789
>it is racist to believe identity cannot or should not be overcome with some universal ideology

On the contrary, your reading would be a fringe interpretation of the term.

Most people don't view the term "racism" through the lens of identity politics, whether it be the victim-hood and grievance industry of the minority group, or the reactionary majority group. The term merely means prejudice.

Amusing your reading puts the stormfags and black identity niggers into the same fringe.

Rhodesians weren't real whites, they were mostly working class goons, bank clerks and blacksmiths.

Not really surprising that the West (especially Britain) weren't going to risk anything for them.

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>>33606129
That better be said ironically. but sadly you /pol/cancertards might actually believe this, like yea sure the south is totally gonna rise again. lmfao what a fucking joke.

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>>33609238
I find your analysis shallow. How could it "merely mean prejudice" without any moral connotations? That is far too objective and most people exhibit a trained emotional response when confronted with it. The question you fail to ask is "Why do they exhibit an emotional response?" The answer is, whether they can articulate it or not, they believe identity must be overcome with universal ideology. You would discover this in yourself if you bothered with the barest introspection. You said yourself it is "amusing" and then compared anyone so foolish to value the sacred inheritance of one's ancestors to "stormfags" and "niggers." I suppose you view everything as a Platonic abstraction and strive to be a purely rational creature who ought not be tainted by history, language, country and blood. Allow me give you some perspective, son: cutting out your heart does not make your head bigger. Castrating yourself does not lead to enterprise and honor. Deconstructing sentimentality does not make you less susceptible to propaganda; it's quite the opposite.

>>33601588
>Acts like hot shit
>Doesn't actually know anything at all

https://nytimes.com/2017/02/25/world/africa/us-djibouti-chinese-naval-base.amp.html

>>33607736
You realize that most people in America are of German decent, it's not some super secret club.

>>33607651
Some are

>>33607675
What are you implying?

>>33610902
>most people in America are of German decent
One of our first big mistakes. :^)
>it's not some super secret club
Most people have no idea what it even means to be German.

Rhodesia is ripe for a takeover, their leader's almost dead and there will be a power vacuum that we can use to move in and take over. We can immediately import hundreds of thousands of disgruntled Americans, Brits, Aussies, S. Africans, etc.

>>33609646
What do you want, a nation of lawyers and academifags?

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>>33610743

>>33607748
We can have negro spokesmen and some token negroes in our government to appease the vast majority of them, and the rest can be dealt with by the resurrected Selous Scouts

>>33610743

Your analysis is biased from the get-go because you base your identity on the supposed "inheritance" of your "ancestors", then presume that they are under attack from some "universal ideology". To each his own, but to claim that Trotsky coined the the term "racist" based on your own fringe ideology is ludicrous to the extreme.

By the way, the most obvious prejudice would be on the multiple facets of personality: a set individual traits that is unrelated to your group identity. Even if you accept that cultural norms differ across groups, the recent trend of analyzing racism through the prism of group identity is a recent trend, practiced by small groups of racial realists of which you seem to be a member of. Certainly not a mainstream practice.

Lastly, this obsession with "ideology" is obviously projection, so your call for introspection is additional amusement.

>son

From someone who quoted his AP world history paper? Goddamn.

>>33611383
Who cares, this is a thread about restoring the once great Rhodesia

>>33611548
>deconstructing the childish fantasies of the primary strain of rhodieboo isn't relevant in a rhodieboo thread

hey now

>>33611383
>analysis is biased
All analysis is biased by its very nature. From this I get the feeling you think (1) bias is inherently bad and (2) your own perspective is unbiased, good and true?
>base your identity on the supposed "inheritance" of your "ancestors"
Nice scare quotes, you selfish faggot. Identity is made of two main categories: elective and inherited. To say you don't value your inherited identity is to spit in the face of tradition. Punks like you think this is liberating, but it is quite the opposite. Resisting your ancestors is to exert your own control and limitations over you posterity for reasons that are entirely your own.
>implying you want children
Yeah, actually you probably shouldn't.
>based on your own fringe ideology
Not an argument!
>the most obvious prejudice would be on the multiple facets of personality
Given that people's first impression of others is made in the first second, I don't think personality is all important, and certainly not the most obvious.
>this obsession with "ideology" is obviously projection
You are like little baby fish in water.
>AP world history paper?
Not true.

>>33611621
The guy was ranting about some philosophical shit that belongs on /pol/, we're going to actually get off our asses and slaughter any communists who try to stop Rhodesia from rising again

>>33611679
>All analysis is biased by its very nature

Sophistry. Honest dialectic depends on an open mind, you are talking with the closed mind of an ideologue.

>Nice scare quotes

Yes, thank you. Ideological buzzwords deserve and demand scare quotes.

>To say you don't value your inherited identity is to spit in the face of tradition

I value using one's tradition to develop and enhance their own identity. You call for the use of tradition to bludgeon individuality that you find disagreeable. Those are two entirely different things.

>Not an argument!

It certainly is when this whole thing started with your claim of a Trotskyist etymology, which has already been demonstrated to be false.

>Given that people's first impression of others is made in the first second, I don't think personality is all important, and certainly not the most obvious.

It's hardly my fault you spend the first second to assign group identity. Most people don't do this. Don't presume everyone is as shallow as you are.

>>33611707
>we're going to actually get off our asses and slaughter any communists who try to stop Rhodesia from rising again
>we

Is there anything sadder on this board than a rhodieboo?

>>33606003
Maybe leave your screen and visit what was once Rhodesia like I have then let me know what is left other than trees and some shitty metals that nobody will want to mine because westerners are lazy fucking workers, retard.

>>33607302
I'm a boer, I know all about settling and having niggers steal everything, you mouth breathing idiots from Europe and the US are the reason Africa is a shithole to begin with, if you had kept your liberals out of our politics and business Rhodesia wouldn't have been ghosted by ghouls.

Also you faggots don't see the big picture, you're just too busy stimulating what few neurons you have stroking each other on the rotbox to these LARP fantasies you can't afford and couldn't physically make happen because you're too stupid, too weak and too poor to do anything other than a weekend camping trip.

>>33611801
>Honest dialectic
Feel free to start any time.
>your claim of a Trotskyist etymology,
Right then, here it was>>33610743
>they believe identity must be overcome with universal ideology
>which has already been demonstrated to be false.
Demonstrated? It hasn't even been argued. All you did was make a claim that I was biased and held a fringe ideology.
>you spend the first second to assign group identity. Most people don't do this.
This level of delusion belongs to what you would call an "ideologue."

bored bush pilot here. i'd totally be down to pilot nigger riigged attack cessnas if i get to be the head of our air force after we win the war

>>33611801
>honest dialetic depends on an open mind, you are talking with the closed mind of an ideologue
>Don't presume everyone is as shallow as you are.
Says the idealogical shitstain that is calling everyone that disagrees with him a rhodieboo, and can't understand Rhodesia declared indepence because the West didn't support them. Give it a rest.

>giving the commies the moral high ground.
It was obvious what the UN and west wanted to happen. Majority rule. In Africa that means who is from the biggest tribe and/or can coerce enough people to support them. It doesn't help that the Soviets and Chinese backed the terriorists and nobody batted an eye. South Africa sends some helicopters and Israel is trying to help Rhodesia? Those backward racists? The "international community" looses their damn minds. But when the terriorists stone women in the streets and blatantly lie to avoid any backlash its all good.

>babbling about COIN and the Rhodesia Regiment
Again, a small nation with a shoe string budget and little support kicked the crap out of the enemy backed by a super power as long as they could. It's amazing they made it to 1980 without being overrun. ZANU and ZAPA were notorious for lying about what happened. Like during Operation Eland, Operation Dingo, and every single fireforce raid that happened. It was always "only civis killed, no combatants."

>lost the war by 1978
Good thing a coalition government was elected soon after with a black prime minister, a 1/3 white parliament, and cooperation. Then Mugabe had to bitch that he wasn't included and the country was forced to vote again, and have a genocide 13 years later.

Say what you want. But at the end of the day Ian Smith gets the last laugh from the grave.

>>33611841
>you mouth breathing idiots from Europe and the US are the reason Africa is a shithole to begin with
This.

>>33605214
>quarter of the population are ex military escapees.
>still can't win a war
Should have imported winners.

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>>33611801
>I value using one's tradition to develop and enhance their own identity.
This hateful rhetoric is so toxic! I'm literally shaking!

>it's another "/k/ jerks off to the thought of being an organized fighting force capable of doing anything besides setting up the occasional local meetup" thread

>>33600021
fuck rhodesia and fuck south africa

>>33612005
>Says the idealogical shitstain that is calling everyone that disagrees with him a rhodieboo

Nice projection. Calling someone a name isn't an ideological statement, especially a meme name.

>can't understand Rhodesia declared indepence because the West didn't support them

Their reasons are clear. Their motivations are clear. I just disagree with both. Why are you so triggered by this?

>It doesn't help that the Soviets and Chinese backed the terriorists and nobody batted an eye

Political oppression creates resistance, some of which might be violent? Shocking, really. Maybe the west should have been consistently anti-oppression instead of giving the communists an opening.

>a small nation with a shoe string budget and little support kicked the crap out of the enemy backed by a super power as long as they could

inb4 the body-count argument. They lost the war, get over it.

>Good thing a coalition government was elected soon after with a black prime minister, a 1/3 white parliament, and cooperation

Too bad Rhodesian stubbornness was what caused said coalition to dissolve. Selective memories, as always.

>But at the end of the day Ian Smith gets the last laugh from the grave

Honestly I think he is smart enough to see the lack of causality in this statement, unlike you lot.

>>33604045
I fucking hate /nu/pol so much. Am I really supposed to believe that a country ran by Communist niggers is better than Rhodesia because Israel?

>>33605272
Ethnostate >>>>> states where race isn't a contributing factor in societal hierarchy > apartheid states

>>33606064
Go on Reddit if you want racism free gun discussion and "LMAO DO ZANY XDDDDD" gun stories.

>>33612320
Yeah, they go way too far with the Zionist theories. When we restore Rhodesia, it'll be great no matter what the /pol/acks say

>>33612437
I'm a /pol/lack myself, but the extent to which le joos get blamed for everything is fucking absurd.

Of course there's a group of Jews who are motivated to maintain power for their people and preserve their culture, just as there are segments of the white population interested in doing the same for theirs. But it's fucking absurd to insinuate that everything every Jew does ever is a plot to undermine the white man and that Jews are even half as good at manipulating populations and world events on a macro scale as they're made out to be, sometimes Zionists interests happen to coincide with the interests of white counties and sometimes they don't.

>>33612319
>Nice projection. Calling someone a name isn't an ideological statement, especially a meme name.
then you say
>anti-oppression
You're and ideologue. Don't try and hide it by saying you just want to trigger rhodieboos.

>I just disagree with both.
So you disagree with people that don't want their nation to fall into ruin? Got it. But now you understand why Rhodesia declared independence and had no western support? Don't try and latch onto pre-UDI western support as an argument for western. Just keep ignoring what majority rule in Africa means.

>Political oppression creates resistance, some of which might be violent? Shocking, really.
People want to keep their well running country from collapsing so they do everything in their power? Shocking, really. Maybe the west should have pulled it's head out of its ass and saw the communists for what they were instead of a romanticized image of "freedom fighters" like they were portrayed in some instances.

>They lost the war, get over it.
They did, after kicking the crap out of the enemy. You claim to understand COIN so much, then you'd understand that that political side of insurgencies is how Rhodesia lost, not through some cunning act of the enemy. I said it's amazing Rhodesia lasted as long. Reading comprehension is a wonderful skill to have.

>Too bad Rhodesian stubbornness was what caused said coalition to dissolve. Selective memories.
Mugabe and Nokomo continued the fight in 1979, not Ian Smith. The coalition dissolved because of the Lancaster House Agreement which the terriorists groups agreed to end the fighting if they were included on the ballot, that was signed by a black prime minister. Not Ian Smith.

>Honestly I think he is smart enough to see the lack of causality in this statement, unlike you lot.
>Rhodesia, Zimbabwe-Rhodesia, Zimbabwe
Don't use words if you don't know what they mean.
http://www.zimbabwesituation.com/news/zimsit_ian-smith-has-the-last-laugh-in-his-grave/

Deep in /k/'s inner mind, under their unkempt hair, deep inside where they get the satisfaction from scoring hits on a steel plate, or feel the bond with their prey when they become "blooded," there is also an uneasy feeling. There is something... something that needs to be done. Somewhere... out there... where death lives. The Dark Continent is calling. Even the brave among us are afraid to seek. Seek. Seek. Seek... and Destroy. Destroy ourselves. Destroy our fear. Fear of the psychic violence of our own conscience... where the darkest darkness truly lies.

>>33612670
Rhodesia calls to us all, and it is our duty to restore it. It will be 4chan's finest hour.

>>33612607
>You're and ideologue. Don't try and hide it by saying you just want to trigger rhodieboos.

Being against political oppression makes one an ideologue? I guess self-determination is an ideology a century or two ago when it was rare, but in the last half century? Hardly.

>So you disagree with people that don't want their nation to fall into ruin
>People want to keep their well running country from collapsing so they do everything in their power?

Causality fallacy for both lines. If you want to deny political representation because you don't believe in it, just say so.

>They did, after kicking the crap out of the enemy.

Yep, it's the body-count argument all over again.

>The coalition dissolved because of the Lancaster House Agreement which the terriorists groups agreed to end the fighting if they were included on the ballot, that was signed by a black prime minister

And how do you think the radicals managed to hold so many cards. Take a guess

>Don't use words if you don't know what they mean.

Causality would mean majority rule itself is responsible for the Zimbabwe disaster. It isn't, Other African nations with majority rule testify to this. National development is not contingent on racial minority rule.

>http://www.zimbabwesituation.com/news/zimsit_ian-smith-has-the-last-laugh-in-his-grave/
>written in 2013
>Smith died in 2007

>>33600021
>And how do you think the radicals managed to hold so many cards. Take a guess

The negroid communists only "held the cards" because Rhodesia was running low on supplies and fuel due to sanctions by the entire world, and being outnumbered 6 gorillion- 1

>>33612768
>dismissing the existence of multi-factional opposition and their internal struggles entirely

typical rhodieboo ignorance

>>33612712
>political representation
Pretty lies. Violence is at the root of it, and the side of "self-determination" was much more oppressive in the end. It's all lip service and self-satisfaction.

>>33612712
>I guess self-determination is an ideology a century or two ago when it was rare, but in the last half century? Hardly.
In the case of Rhodesia, as other nations see fit.

>causality fallacy for both lines
>causality fallacy
>correlation does not cause imply causation
>Causality would mean majority rule itself is responsible for the Zimbabwe disaster
So the disastrous policies of Mugabe's power consolidation were not a cause of majority rule? He was elected by the majority of people in Zimbabwe in 1980. The majority did have their voice heard and Mugabe took it upon himself to see that voice be heard. In the process he rand the country into the ground with starvation and hyperinflation.

>Take a guess
Would it be prolonging a conflict that exhausting a nation that thought they found a solution? Because thats what the evidence shows despite the internal fractions.

>Other African nations with majority rule testify to this
Seeing that the majority of Africa can't feed itself and relies on foreign handouts. Next door Mozambique and Botswana aren't doing too well right now. Zambia is actually having a boom, guess why that is.

>written in 2013
>mugabe has been in power for over 20 years at that point
>hyperinflation
>famine
>army isn't getting paid
>Chinese are practically taking over
>laughter intensifies from Smith's grave.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbM_0hRTSiA

>>33612921
>In the case of Rhodesia, as other nations see fit.

And what makes Rhodesia so special? Oh right, its a special pet cause for the "racial realists".

>So the disastrous policies of Mugabe's power consolidation were not a cause of majority rule?
>were not a cause

Did you mean result? For fuck's sake, try harder.

Assuming you did, did majority rule in South Africa end in the same results? No? Then it isn't. The root cause is Mugabe, not majority rule, not political representation. Deal with it.

>Would it be prolonging a conflict that exhausting a nation that thought they found a solution?

Is this even a sentence?

>Seeing that the majority of Africa can't feed itself and relies on foreign handouts

You cite Zimbabwe as the end result of majority rule, but when presented with other examples of other countries, while not doing fantastic, are not in the same dire situation, you ignore the counter-point.

>laughter intensifies from Smith's grave.

Is there *any* evidence from Ian Smith's writings or words that show that he believes majority rule will inevitably lead to economic disaster? If so, provide it. Otherwise, your attribution is a falsehood.

>>33612895
>political oppression enforced with violence might result in violent backlash from some people

Shocking

But that hardly means violence is in and of itself the end-goal or the primary motivation of self-determinism or desire for political representation. You could have said power and that would have been somewhat more correct. Yours is the mindset of a 14 year old.

>>33600684
That's because the western establishment is anti white

>>33607591
Literally you just made all of that up exept for /pol/ making threads about a micronation

RHODESIA SHALL RISE AGAIN

fuck off /pol/ go play with ponies. reported.

>>33614255
>Rhodesia so special
Becasue they said fuck you, we're doing it our way.

>did majority rule in South Africa end in the same results?
South Africa has been on a slow decline since the end of Apartheid, the Rand is down and the economy is stagnant. Their sessions of parliament looks like an episode of Jerry Springer. Zuma just fired his chief finance minister and the kill whitey party is on the rise. Zuma also just proposed a Zimbabwe style land reform. Look how well that went for them.

>The root cause is Mugabe, not majority rule, not political representation. Deal with it.
Wrong. Mugabe is the result of majority rule you stupid ass. Political representation was given to the majority and they voted him in. Stop trying to slip that point.

>while not doing fantastic, are not in the same dire situation, you ignore the counter point
They are, which is why more and more African nations are starting to snuggle up to the Chinese. Zimbabwe is an extreme example of what happens when majority rule is rushed. The counter point is weak.

>Is there *any* evidence from Ian Smith's writings or words that show that he believes majority rule will inevitably lead to economic disaster? If so, provide it. Otherwise, your attribution is a falsehood.
Ian Smith was on record multiple times stating that if majority rule is rushed it will end poorly. Here is an interview of him on Firing Line.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1OzfpPtJoQ

Here is an article you may be interested in.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2007/nov/25/comment.zimbabwe

>Made on 20 March 1976, 'I don't believe [my emphasis] in majority rule ever in Rhodesia... not in 1,000 years. I repeat that I believe in blacks and whites working together. If one day it is white and the next day it is black, I believe we have failed and it will be a disaster for Rhodesia.'

Laughter.

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STILL think Rhodesia is cool?

>>33615230
Oh no the Jooz are on their side

Rhodesia's only allies were 2 very small countries which were both busy fighting their own wars, and they held out for ten years against non-stop communist attacks. Pretty impressive.

>>33605758
What are Zulu impi?
>inb4 he references my favourite movie to dispel their lethalness

>>33615230
>muh jooz
this only works on /pol/

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>>33615230
Portugal is cool, especially with their AR-10s

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>>33615496
The camo was pretty cool also.

>>33615230
Not the filthy Portuguese! I was all wrong about Rhodies, fuck them and we need to remove bacalhau.

For all the haters out there, I can tell you that we've already got a lot of /k/ommandos and /pol/acks in on this

>>33614325
>But that hardly means violence is in and of itself the end-goal
Maybe it should be. 1984 never had communist uprisings.
>You could have said power and that would have been somewhat more correct.
Your strawman is more correct than I ever could be.

OK, so let's suppose we do go through with the plan. How do we take over the country, OP?

>>33600021
No thanks, too hot and full of diseases.
It's like a St. Louis summer but year round there.

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>>33615230
>Der Juden?!?!?!?!
This is /k/ not /pol/, we don't really give a fuck one way or the other

>>33600608
Pretty much this they want a modern power fantasy no different from weebs fantazing about their waifus

In reality these idiots would day of malaria and rape aids

>>33616053
Our staging grounds should be in Zambia since it's only a short distance from their southern border to Salisbury, the capital

>>33616157
If we were only recruiting /pol/acks, you'd be right. Also, who says we aren't recruiting outside of 4chan?

>>33605758
Rwanda's army is very competent, actually. They spend their money effectively, and have fantastic paratroopers, which are extremely important for fighting in Africa, where huge swathes of hazardous terrain prevent normal troop movements and AA is limited.

>>33615196
>Becasue they said fuck you, we're doing it our way.

And that makes them right, how?

>South Africa has been on a slow decline since the end of Apartheid

But it looks nothing like Zimbabwe, so what's your point?

>Wrong. Mugabe is the result of majority rule you stupid ass. Political representation was given to the majority and they voted him in. Stop trying to slip that point.

Majority rule is a concept of political representation that can be applied everywhere, Mugabe is the result in one place. Conflating the two is a fundamental error.

>They are, which is why more and more African nations are starting to snuggle up to the Chinese

So they are all in the same situation as Zimbabwe? They all have hyperinflation and routine political violence? Really?

>Ian Smith was on record multiple times stating that if majority rule is rushed it will end poorly. Here is an interview of him on Firing Line.

He was objecting to the timeline, not to the concept of majority rule.

>Laughter.

Nice cherrypicking:
>He was actually laying the ground work for compromise. And in negotiations with the black Zimbabwean leader Joshua Nkomo, he had privately accepted the timetable of black rule in five to 15 year

On top of objecting to the timeline (as opposed to the concept of majority rule), he said it would be a political problem, not an economic one. So you are still wrong.

>>33616228
We aren't talking about Rwanda, we're talking about Zimbabwe/Rhodesia

>>33616228
This is only a recent thing. Rwanda's army has been trained mostly by Israeli's post-genocide and they've been using all that chink money to buy modern gear.

>>33615920
>Maybe it should be. 1984 never had communist uprisings.

That fictional dystopia literally eschewed violence for other means of control. Did you even read the book?

>Your strawman is more correct than I ever could be.
>You could have said
>could have

Literally not a strawman, but still correct.

Let's get this thread back on topic, how do we go about taking over Zimbabwe?

>>33616272
>literally eschewed violence for other means of control

Nigger, they launch rockets at their own cities.

There's at least one chapter dedicated to the use of torture by the state security services.

>>33616293

you can't, stop being a faggot

>>33616293
ask them nicely

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>>33615230
yes
jews>>>>>>>>>>commies

>>33616296
>Nigger, they launch rockets at their own cities.

As I recall that was a false flag and a minor event.

>There's at least one chapter dedicated to the use of torture by the state security services.

And the entire book's theme is the idea of propaganda and corrupted political language as means of control.

>>33616241
It wasn't blacks who built the country, why should they rule over the whites who did?

Majority rule is about rule within a nation/ethnic group, not about a foreign group taking over your country. At the end of the day you are backing a militant communist invasion & conquest of a white western country.

>>33616301
It's definitely possible, if some Southern hick was able to take over Nicaragua in 1854 before they even had gunpowder surely we can take over Zimbabwe

>>33616353
>invasion & conquest

The blacks lived there long before the whites ever got there.

>>33616301
No one asked you nigger

>>33616310
Suppose we have 200-300 kommandos concentrated in Southern Zambia, less than a hundred miles from Harare. We have FN Fals and plenty of ammo and short shorts. What next?

>>33616372
>triggered

>>33616367
The blacks had their own tribes & lands where they governed themselves.

>>33616367
>caring about other people more than your own
you'll coward!

OP, I'm intrigued. Let's start a new thread free of faggots where we can seriously discuss this.

>>33616405

If they were truly a separate polity, how did the white minority government assert political control over them?

Oh right, they weren't separate at all and you're just talking out your ass.

>>33616423
It's pointless. I have no doubt we would be infiltrated by feds. It needs to be organized by someone already there, and they have too much to lose PR wise to do that right now. Spread awareness and wait. The time is coming.

Here's the link to the new, serious thread

>>33616442

It's >>33616187
Am I needed to be a bullet magnet? Are we actually going to do it?

>>33616241
>And that makes them right, how?
The other nations of Africa that went straight to majority rule faced many problems including ethnic violence and corruption.

>But it looks nothing like Zimbabwe, so what's your point?
You brought up South Africa. The point is that it WILL look like Zimbabwe.

>Majority rule is a concept of political representation that can be applied everywhere, Mugabe is the result in one place. Conflating the two is a fundamental error.
Again, majority rule was implemented, Mugabe was elected, and things fell apart. Those are the facts and you refuse to accept them. Majority rule, in Zimbabwe in particular, failed the people and blew up in the west's face.

So they are all in the same situation as Zimbabwe? They all have hyperinflation and routine political violence? Really?
Empire of Dust is a great documentary you should watch. Industry and roads are a joke in Africa. Africa is selling themselves to the Chinese to fix the problem. Ethnic conflict is a Hallmark of post-colonial africa. Rwanda and the destruction of the San people in Botswana and South Africa serve as two great examples.

>He was objecting to the timeline, not to the concept of majority rule.
The people of Africa were not ready for majority rule when it was implemented and look what we have now. A money pit the West dumps aid into while the Chinese carve themselves a nice piece of the pie.

>He was actually laying the ground work for compromise. And in negotiations with the black Zimbabwean leader Joshua Nkomo, he had privately accepted the timetable of black rule in five to 15 year
Nkomo was displaced by Mugabe in the 80s during his power consilidation. That doesn't matter. Majority rule caused that.

>Nice cherrypicking:
You asked for evidence and you got it. On record, multiple times. Zimbabwe turned into a disaster. Keep denying it, Smith is still laughing. Majority rule failed Zimbabwe and is proving to fail Africa as a whole.

>>33616453
>Oh right, they weren't separate at all and you're just talking out your ass.
You could watch the video I posted in >>33615196 and learn something.

>>33616388
Death and rape by spooky negroids

>>33616553
>The other nations of Africa that went straight to majority rule faced many problems including ethnic violence and corruption.

That's fine. They don't look like Zimbabwe, so you are still wrong.

>The point is that it WILL look like Zimbabwe.

Sounds like the communist line of inevitable march of history. As in, bullshit.

>majority rule was implemented, Mugabe was elected, and things fell apart

By parity of logic, majority rule was implemented, Mandela was elected, and things didn't fall apart.

>Industry and roads are a joke in Africa

Note how you simply shift the goalposts when caught in an untenable position: when shown countries that are not like Zimbabwe, you just talk about how bad they are relative to some first world standard.

>The people of Africa were not ready for majority rule when it was implemented and look what we have now

With the exception of Zimbabwe I am fine with how it turned out. The problem with rhodieboos is their argument will always be a hypothetical of how things might have been: an exercise in stupidity.

>You asked for evidence and you got it.

You posted a single sentence, which when read in the context of the entire speech, contradicts your claim. Smith is dead and he didn't agree with you. Get over it.

>>33616611

Did the Land Husbandry Act not impose control over rural areas where many blacks lived, in these supposedly independent tribal lands?

Point out the part in the video where the interviewee says the blacks lived independently, that is the part where he is lying.

>>33600608
>s-stop it! It's impossible, stop dreaming so big!

Now who in the world would adopt such a stupid, defeatist-

>t. African

Ah, that makes SO much more sense now. Please, continue insisting that your continent cannot be saved by western intervention whilst dreaming about the kings that you never were.

>>33600815
>functioning humans dream about restoring civilization to what was once the breadbasket of Africa

FTFY

>>33616795
>Thats fine. They don't look like Zimbabwe, so you're still wrong
In comparison they are slightly less retarded than the most retarded kid in the class. That's not good.

>Sounds like the communist line of inevitable march of history. As in, bullshit.
Zuma wants a Zimbabwe like land reform and the government of South Africa is corrupt to the core. It will happen, you are just denying it.

>By parity of logic, majority rule was implemented, Mandela was elected, and things didn't fall apart.
Again, South Africa has been on a slow decline since the end of Apartheid. Its only getting worse.

>Note how you simply shift the goalposts when caught in an untenable position: when shown countries that are not like Zimbabwe, you just talk about how bad they are relative to some first world standard.
When they had colonial rule there were roads. They neglected to care for them, hence China comes. Not shifting the goalposts you're just dumbass. Note how you slipped the massive amounts of ethic conflict.

>With the exception of Zimbabwe I am fine with how it turned out.
That pokes a massive hole in all of your claims of how righteous majority rule was.

>The problem with rhodieboos is their argument will always be a hypothetical of how things might have been: an exercise in stupidity.
It was working fine, and Smith even said he was willing to compromise. But it wasn't good enough for the international community. Hense forth the shitshow we have now.

>You posted a single sentence, which when read in the context of the entire speech, contradicts your claim. Smith is dead and he didn't agree with you. Get over it.
I also posted an entire video from 1976 about his opinions on majority rule. Watch it, learn. Smith was a stubborn man but was willing to work with the blacks to keep the country from going to shit. Because like war, economics are tied to politics. Smith is laughing at you from the grave. Get over it.

>>33616854
Again, watch it and see for yourself. Honest dialect depends on an open mind :^)

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>>33616272
>Literally not a strawman
You said
>that hardly means violence is in and of itself the end-goal
>the end-goal
That is something I never claimed, which means you are attacking a strawman. You can check my post >>33612895 and I never implied, nor would any reasonable person believe, "violence is and of itself the end goal." Here is what I said
>Violence is at the root of it
Violence is the root of politics. Power comes out of the barrel of a gun. Keep this in mind because
>It's all lip service and self-satisfaction.
Why? Ostensibly the reason you people want "self-determination" is to provide a better outcome. But
>the side of "self-determination" was much more oppressive in the end
Yeah, that's a fact. They were incapable of determining anything for themselves, because they're a bunch of jungle monkeys. They were too dumb to realize they were better off being managed by Whites, because muh democracy. Sad but true. That's not even the worst part though, because the Rhodesians were willing to work with them. They were too God damned impatient to delay gratification, like the children they are.

you're kinda forgetting the part where the rhodesian bush war was so lopsided was because the rhodesian military had top of the line military equipment and way better training than a bunch of guerrilas with no training and ww2 era weaponry

>>33617264
It was right in the sweet spot where war is the most interesting. Rhodesians had the edge but it wasn't overwhelming. They were fighting it alone and for their homeland, so their spirits were in it.

Gather 20k people and take Brazil, which have ammo for only a single hour of war.
>Unexplored Riches
>Not on Africa
>Land
>Water
>Innumerable resources
>Unarmed population
>Remanescents of germans/italians/japs

>>33617355
Wishful thinking- most of them are gorillas and there's too much territory

>competent army
>Africa

pick one

>>33618051
We're talking about white people here.

>>33618051
Biafrans weren't all that bad, just outnumbered.

>>33618051
Boku Haram

>>33618051
>he doesn't know about how the Ethiopians completely BTFO of the Italians with sticks and stones

>>33606064
But it was, faggit

>>33606241
No one will join. Firstly, because there'll be no South African civil war.

And secondly, because majority of /pol/lacks can barely leave their basements, let alone the country to fight.

>>33600815
>mfw I love rhodesia because fighting commies, it don't matter if you're black or white
grab a FAL faggot

>>33600608
> No resources left...

Thats why the chineese are colonizing africa right now.

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>>33616323
jews = commies

commies = jews

They fund both sides so the goyim die. How new are you?

>>33616147
>I like to be an ignorant goyim tending to my guns

Don't bitch when they are taken off you.

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>>33600021
>When he dies, we must take over and make Zimbabwe Rhodesia again!

>Don't have to be associated with Mugabe because he ded
>Get to fight /pol/roaches

I'll buy a ticket

>>33600021
>we
>>>/pol/
git

>>33618851
*latvians=commies

>>33600492
>that SMG
My dick. Anybody know what's this one?

I hope you fags try this, succeed, and then a UN peacekeeping force of illiterate Nepalese push your shit in

>>>/pol/120745007
GET IN HERE FAGGOTS.

>>33619952

>Implying

None of these fatasses have ever left the country before. They just make these threads so they can fantasize about shooting black people.