I'm designing my near-future home. I want to keep home defense

>>33583067
Just staple dragon dildos to every surface and call it a night.

>>33583079

That's not a killbox entryway, that's my bedroom design plan.

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>>33583067
how much autism?

>>33583123

Low with occasional flare-ups to severe.

>>33583088
you have no idea how much i want to do this to an entire room, and im probably the straightest male on 4chan.

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>>33583221
pic related.

>>33583335
>straight male
>4chan.org/k/

make the entry door come into a room with only one door, the door being steel and thick as shit.
and the entry door having a switch to actuate a hydralic arm that closes it from a safe place outside, and then steel bars lock the door like a safe.

make sure all the walls are insulated with armour, so it looks normal but nothing can penetrate. maybe add some of that sound foam people use in studios too so its not loud as fuck outside the room.

add a port to the room just big enough to shoot threw.


congrats, there is now a room that seals like a cage, and has a hole to shoot threw.


but honestly the court will want to know why you didnt just leave them in there and call the cops lol

>>33583355
i was brought here by a friend years ago for /g/, i stayed for /k/. its possible, im proof.

>>33583419
>but honestly the court will want to know why you didnt just leave them in there and call the cops lol

Yeah see that's toooo much. I need a justifiable homicide killbox design.

The reason why is I will be building this house on a lot in a "transitioning" "gentrifying" neighborhood. Or it will be in about a decade. I will be buying up other lots/houses in anticipation. Thing is, in order to gentrify, a neighborhood needs a number of brave whitefolk to build sexy ass modern homes that make them targets of the current neighborhood.

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>>33583428

>standard security system, and motion sensor activated lights
>steel door, steel doorframe, no less than 3 deadbolts, no doggy doors or mail slots
>security bars over tinted windows, preferably tempered glass
>steel cages over any external a/c units or electrical boxes (negros/white trash/common garden gnomes will steal anything unprotected)
>surveillance suite (cameras, mics, etc)
>narrow entrance corridor leading into antechamber with generous cover
>walls lined with DIY composite armor
>bright emergency lights pointed in direction of entrance, blinds intruders and reduce your visibility
>integrated sound system to blare noise/music to disorient intruders
>concealed passageways into panic room or covert exit
>non-expired, quality fire extinguishers in every major room

Prophylactic measures in a poor neighborhood:
>pay the locals a generous amount to mow your lawn/do menial tasks regularly.
>don't announce vacations on social media until after coming back

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>>33583704
whatever.

>>33584071
>pay the locals to case your house regularly while signalling to them that you have enough disposable income to pay them to do menial labor

>>33584172
Spoken like someone who's never lived around poor people. Building a good reputation in the neighborhood is an effective barrier from thieving nigs, who prefer the schizoid loners with no social connections.

>>33584071
>pay the locals a generous amount to mow your lawn/do menial tasks regularly

Great advice, except this one. This one is just horrible.

I like the bright lights pointed towards entrance idea, definitely going to integrate that one.

I figure I will have to kill a few for them to get the message. Of course they will monitor my movements and just hit the house when I'm not there, but if I'm not there to be tortured for whatever money/drugs/jewels they imagine I have then I'm good.

>>33584240
>pay local kid to mow lawn weekly
>get to know contractor (his uncle) around the other culdesac, keep him as a regular for minor detailing work
>both tip me off when strange cars start casing my house, let me know who it probably is

It works, but it just doesn't match the paranoid /k/ worldview.

>>33584234

OP here, I grew up poor. You don't know what you're talking about. The reputation being built following your advice is that you have a lot of money to blow, not that you're a good guy or a guy to be feared.

>>33584302

Will be only white guy in the neighborhood, they will not be so magnanimous.

>>33583067
Storm shutters and a antechamber are a good idea. pretty much a front door, then a small narrow room not much wider than said door and 3-4 feet long before hitting another reinforced door. This will give you valuable time. Other than that a few pieces of strategically placed furniture that's sturdy enough to serve as cover are also good

>ensure any landscaping is neither cover nor concealment
>landscape using small rocks for ground cover as they are impossible to move over silently and will reduce fire hazards
>multiple buckets of water to drop any CS grenades into
>heavy curtains (surplus lead lined works well) to reduce launched/thrown projectiles
>3m window film to reduce glass
>barred windows to reduce launched/thrown projectiles
>holes in the floor to insert steel anti-vehicle bollards rapidly
>entry cages on all doors to stop all entry teams
>steel doors + door frames
>sprinkler system throughout the facility
>firing ports in hallways
>perimeter lights set behind 6" lexan to stop small caliber rounds from taking them out
>no fire hazards near house
>escape tunnel at least 150% the distance of your perimeter
>property lines outlined by steel 3 rail fence set into concrete
>bamboo planted in any open areas to deny helicopters/staging areas
>venomous snakes around perimeter
>pulldown security gates throughout the house

>>33584388

Yikes, I'm worried about dumbass gangbangers doing a home invasion, not SWAT.

>>33584388
>Define a fixed perimeter and have no obstacles between you the edge
>Pre-stage firing positions at key areas (windows, chokepoints,etc) with rifles, ammo and other gear required
>Ensure the cover at your firing positions is hard and heavily bullet resistant
>Position obstacles to block your firing positions when not in use
>Build firestops into walls and utilize anti-cut materials like a metal mesh to prevent drywall knife access
>slope the roof with mexican style tiles and leave a couple loose (if in a low wind area) to make sure that nobody is on your roof
>security covers on locks to prevent pick/vandalism
>nightlocks/door angels on all doors
>top all perimeter walls with broken glass to avoid climbing
>line any trenches or low ground with broken glass to stop crawling baddies
>keep all grass trimmed short
>park all vehicles within the perimeter with a hardlocked garage.

>>33584460
Dont be a pussy, 70-80% of the same stuff applies

>>33583645

Have an indoor balcony that looks over the entrance of your house. Make sure the first room people enter is it's own room, lock the door in that room, then it's fish in a barrel.

>>33584477
>>33584388
One final key point
>only solid core doors in the house

Neato that I rolled dubs in both posts

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>>33583067
>plant thorny/needle plants like blackberries on inside of fences
>anyone who hops the fence gets cut up by thorns
Wouldn't stop the hardcore breaching team every /k/ommando seems to imagine, but it'd deter a casual thief.

Bonus: you get fruit.

>>33584351
20 bucks a week for lawncutting doesn't qualify you as bourgeois status.

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>>33584582
>20 bucks a week for lawncutting doesn't qualify you as bourgeois status.
t. Mr Moneybags

>>33584481

I see, then I make them say hello to mah lil fren, just like in Scarface

>>33584582

In these neighborhoods fuck yeah it screams "HEY I HAVE MONEY AND STUFF WORTH STEALING".

Because you know what? That neighborhood kid is going to brag how much he's getting paid.

>>33584599
for a manual pushmower work, it's a bit scrimpy

>>33584629
>t suburban airsoft player

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>>33583067

>>33584681

Wh-what exactly am I looking at here?

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>>33584767
Everything is fake and full of concrete and cannons

>>33584767
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEOLonBfaD8

video i saved of em, james bond shit.

Depending on how much you are willing to spend on landscaping, land mines and spike traps will usually stop break-ins. I personally like to dump boiling oil on people but to each his own.

>>33584681
those look comfy as fuck

>>33584554
Good luck spending keeping that shit contained, there's a reason it's on every parks and wildlife list as an invasive species and to be destroyed.

>>33583355
i think I remember seeing this

>>33584866
its a plant not a fucking zombie apocalypse

some monthly trimming or a gravel standoff works just fine

>>33583067
How much open space and garden/landscaping do you plan to have around your home?

Will there be a driveway and a garage? Will the house take up the entire width of the property or will there be spaces either side of it, and is there going to be a back yard?

I'm not sure why you'd want to go to all this trouble unless you're intentionally luring robbers into your property to shoot them.

Either way, a good solution would involve having a C shaped courtyard with the entrance at the middle, and a mezzanine above it that lets you fire down at the intruder while providing plenty of cover.

>>33584240
Use high power ultraviolet lights alongside visible lights to maximize the blinding effect.

>>33584810
I remember those huge blast door in the basement of my home as a kid (we still have them but it's a different building). I was scared of playing with them because I thought I might accidentally lock myself inside and never be able to get out because no one could break them down.

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This might help you. I always wanted to have an up stairs with a trap door that leads to the bottom floor in a closet. And have it lead to a closet below but just drywall the celing so its not to noticeable. Need to leave the top floor bust right thorough fast. Also theres these house around me that have circular brick cylinders before the front door. Sure they are huge valted ones on rick peoples homes but it seems like a good idea.. Idk tho. Sorry for my spelling.

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Star fort

>>33583067
Get a house on a corner, remove all trees, plant spikey shrubbery such as holly bushes below all windows. Make sure the house is made of brick.
Maybe put some 1/4 in steel behind the bricks in key areas behind the drywall. The best defense is one that isn't obvious.

>>33584810
>"sir, we are taking fire from a farm house, we need support"
> "how much fire?"

Sound of 40mm autocannon firing from behind 8 feet of concrete

> "a lot"

>>33584810

>"here in Switzerland we are a peaceful, neutral country, we will never be an agressor"

>"just fucking try invade us tho"

>>33583355
I played that level in cawadoody: black ops. It's not as secure as you think.

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>>33585034
did somebody say star forts

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>>33585061
>The best defense is one that isn't obvious.
This guy gets it. I will go one further and tell you the key is camouflage. That's why 99% of /k/ommandos will die within the first week of the race war.

You can keep your interior nice, but let the outside look like the rest of the neighborhood. Put some old appliances on the lawn, a broken down car on blocks plus a older car to get around, don't wash your siding, put your trash in conspicuous locations, don't look like a NEET/hipster/"""bourgeois""".

Then you can add passive defense, like window bars, solid exterior doors with multiple locks, good locks on outbuildings, and a loyal dog. Security signage will do just as much as a real alarm if you're away (if the neighborhood is as bad as you say it is), and the dog will alert you if you're home.

Make it clear: there ain't nothing here worth your trouble.

Once there is a larger presence of Whiteness then you can clean up, if only because you will have less to worry about.

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>>33585295
Pff, star forts alone can't adequately defend undersea cables. All you need to do is walk past the star fort and snip the cable a bit further down.

What we need is to dig underground canals underneath the star forts.

>>33585455
oh my god i love you

>>33584958
>I'm not sure why you'd want to go to all this trouble unless you're intentionally luring robbers into your property to shoot them.

I'm going to build a nice-ass home in the middle of a ghetto that will be gentrifying. I'm getting in early and building a fucking nice home so I can sell it to yuppies in 10 years and make a buttload of money. I will hopefully be replicating this throughout the neighborhood to catalyze and hasten the gentrification.

Its pretty much guaranteed I will experience at least one home invasion.

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>>33585400
>>33585061

I'm building a house that I want to sell to yuppies later.

Here's a rough sketch of the layout I'm thinking. A gate, walkway, then a heavy front door. That should give me plenty of time, also an additional killbox.

>>33585563
Alright, have an open-plan lower courtyard entrance with a nice, easy to break glass front door, with a mezzanine up above that circles around the room, but doesn't actually overhang, allowing you to fire down from any angle. The walls of the mezzanine will, obviously, be armor plated so that you can't get shot back at.

This area could act as an indoor garden or lounge so that once the robbers are inside, they'll be faced with a few expensive-seeming (but ultimately quite cheap) items like stereo and TV sets. The actual entrance to the house would be on the far end of this courtyard, a solid door with multiple strong locks that even a SWAT raid would have trouble breaching.

>>33585610

Hmm I'm trying to visualize what you are describing. I'm not going to do the big box McMansion interior where the 2nd story is really only half the square footage of the first story. I think that's what you mean for the mezzanine?

I considered something similar to an ancient Roman style that faces inward on a central garden/courtyard but with the required 20ft setback I'm losing too much square footage already. Plus I need to consider resaleability.

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>>33584554
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prunus_spinosa
I have this little bastard around my yard, it's the thoughest natural obstacle I know. The thorns are incredibly solid and spicky, and they're kinda poisonous, it hurts immediatly (like a bee sting) and for hours. You'll need mechanical means to pass through it, a machette is not an option.

>>33583355
That's a deathtrap

Cover above it

All you have to do is get to an elevation above it and game over

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>>33585017

>>33585602
i actually hadn't thought of a door that was set back from a gate. That definitely creates a good killbox, but I imagine that creates an extra place for a burglar to hide (at least from lateral view) while breaking into an empty home. But I guess if your door and lock are heavy enough, they probably aren't getting in through that door.

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VFG, AFG, or hand stop?

>>33585602
That would work for a killbox, although >>33586063 is correct. You've created dead space by limiting your lines of sight. You could use a small, inconspicuous convex security mirror at the gate so you don't get ambushed coming and going.

>>33586135
AFG

>>33585602
On second thought, this is a bad idea. If you are coming home you will have your back turned and no one will witness someone coming up on you. Have you really thought about what priorities you are designing this for? What is the likelihood of needing a killbox?

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>>33583067
Just kill a few monks.

>>33584941
you have no idea. man i have seen brambles coming out of pavments. they are satens pubic hair

>>33585103
>yeah a A-10 should do it

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@2.25
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPW7vZkaQh4

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>>33586431
On third thought, if you could have a full height gate with a keyed lock and door buzzer that would work pretty good. It might freak out the delivery guy but you would essentially have people walk into a cage before they are allowed inside, plus a lockable gate gives you added security. Just have it lock automatically when it closes and you won't get raped in your own entryway.

>>33583355
>>straight male
>>4chan.org/k/
It's more likely than you think.
Call today for a free consultation

>>33584681
Leave it to the fucking swiss to maintain that alpine A E S T H E T I C

>>33583645
like the cuttayer jib
what area may I ask?

>>33584388
>>33584477
If you want to keep your sightlines open, how are you also planting bamboo everywhere?

>>33584071
>no doggy doors/mail slots
>not making a doggy door that's the equivalent of a chinese finger trap
>not walking into your front hall to see Jamal frantically struggling to extricate himself
>not standing above him, grinning like a madman as you plan your weekend
It's like you've never seen Pulp Fiction

>>33583067
Reinforced frames, steel doors.
3m window security film. (protects from niggers, raids, and storms)
tear gas traps.
Proper lighting.
Like 3 deadbolts on your garage door.
Airlock style double set of doors for every entrance to the house (front, back, garage, etc). (You can justify them as mud rooms)
An audible alarm.
A large dog/s. (it won't do anything, but it has a statistical impact)
Strobe lights and speakers everywhere.
Axillary power.
Nerve agents.
etc

For niggers you want to increase the effort, noise, and time that it takes to gain entry to your house.
For police, you want to force them to exit the house, delay their efforts, and funnel them into hallways/killzones.

>>33583419
>but honestly the court will want to know why you didnt just leave them in there and call the cops lol
So have your firing port be from an angle that makes it look like you didn't use a firing port.

>>33583123
The cool thing is a building like this would cost as much as a small office building to build with modern masonry methods. People just have no fucking taste and build everything out of plywood and stucco to look like some adobe Mexican shit.

>>33583067
Every house is difficult to clear. Just make every hallway and doorway tight, every door enter into the middle of the room with the door pulling out, add hides like extra closets all around a room and just clutter it with furniture. Enjoy your shitty life living in a horribly designed house too while you're at it, and hope to the gods you never have to clear it yourself. In fact this is a huge reason NOT to purposely design your house to be raid proof. Even if you know where shit is you're still dealing with all those tight fits and hides.

If you want a "killbox" design a house with a secret entrance, and a big welcoming main doorway in front that only leads to a great room with a loft overhead (fortify the railing as you please). There's no way up and you push a button to lock the door behind them, or make the floor around the door fall into a punjee pit. This is also incredibly fucking stupid and a waste of space/money. A panic room/tunnel to bomb shelter is probably the best form of security.

What is the name of that tunnel used in an ancient invasion that forced the defenders to use their left arm because of the geometry of the tunnel?

>>33591946
Ham tunnel.

>>33586481
get cutter
ded

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>>33583067
Go full psyops.
Leave creepy dolls and paintings everywhere.
Make sure to cut out the eyeholes on some of the paintings.
Fake windows on walls.
Curtains in random places for no reason in particular.
Cartoonishly small doors that you can only barely fit through by squeezing.
Doors that look like they're inward opening but are actually sliding.
The only entrance to a room is actually a trapdoor that's underneath a rug in another.
Revolving doors and gates. Preferably one-way like the ones in zoos.
Buckets of water on top of doors.
Doors that lead to brick walls or open air.
Ladders that look attached to the wall but then fall over once you're like four feet up.
Halls of mirrors.
Rooms painted with optical illusions.
Long, twisting hallways that don't actually lead anywhere.
Floors covered in armed mousetraps.
Leave ball bearing and other things people slip on everywhere.
Irregularly sized stairs. None of the steps are at consistent heights.
Tripwires that don't actually do anything but trip people.
Motion-triggered strobe lights.
Put actual skeletons in closets.
Ballpits. Some normal, some with nails at the bottom, some filled with lube.

Basically, take notes from equal parts Vietnam and Home Alone.

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>>33592369
This is gold.

>>33592369
I unironicaly think this would work well

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>>33585602
M8, that's foolish, you should do something like this:

It will solve the lateral blind spot on exiting the house, and as long as windows are barred+alarmed, and both doors to the stormroom are alarmed, they ain't getting in w/o you knowing about it. Alarm console would be inside beyond the stormroom, with decent, sturdy furniture to provide cover in the living room directly beyond it. If someone decides to kick the door, you get on the phone with 911, while taking cover in the living room and MAKE SURE 911 KNOWS YOU ARE ARMED TO DEFEND YOURSELF. That'll make the cops get there quick, fast, and in three different kinds of hurry. Make sure you sound scared, and also this thread is gonna fuck you right in the ass in the event of a home defense scenario, with words like "killbox". Prosecutors are gonna look at that and slap you with a premeditated murder charge. It may get dropped, or dismissed, but it WILL happen.

>>33592912
>also this thread is gonna fuck you right in the ass in the event of a home defense scenario, with words like "killbox"
"I let a day laborer use my computer"

Innocence only needs to be plausible.

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>>33587888

>>33592639
The idea is to get them to say 'fuck this' and give up by the third room.

If you want your house to be a "kill box" you might want to consider decoration design tips from gacy/bundy/gein

>>33592369
>Buckets of water on top of doors.
You goddam monster

>>33593215
Hey, at least it's not paint, piss, or semen.

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Okay, I've compiled a list of security measures I think any good house needs

>constructed of ICF rather than timber for fire resistance and bulletproofing
>windows are bulletproof and laid in steel frames
>all exterior doors are steel in steel frames
>property is surrounded by a wrought iron fence, and hedgerows are grown around the fence to make it inconvenient to climb or blowtorch, and to make it look more fancy
>gate in the fence that is remotely activated so you don't have to get out of the car
>mastiffs inside fence to bark if anyone tries to get past the gate or the fence, and to maul if anything makes it over the fence
>widows walk on second flood of the house with clear views of everything, as a firing position to defend the walls
>stockpiles of food, water, and porn

Bam, now you have a ridiculously safe house that doesn't look different from any other house in an upper class or rural neighborhood.

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>>33591668
>A large dog/s. (it won't do anything, but it has a statistical impact)

Kek.

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>>33592369
>Tripwires that don't actually do anything but trip people

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>>33583067
Thanks for the reaction image

>>33593323
>holing in
>suburbia

... I mean you could, but why wouldn't you just buy land away from people?

>>33592369
Forgot the confetti bombs going off and silly string spraying at you when you open doors.
You gotta have those.

>>33594727
And the piano that comes hurtling down the false stairway when you're near the top

>>33593323

I definitely want to do ICF, just because random stray bullets are a concern in this neighborhood.

Thanks for all the suggestions. Think I'll skip the silly-string spray traps though. Also open to more ideas if anybody has them. I'm going to digest this thread constantly as I work through the design. I do like the idea of hidden doors and think that actually could be a cool selling point for the yuppy husbands and the couples with S&M fetishes.

>>33595136
Yeah, I was thinking floor hatches under rugs was actually pretty legit when I was compiling the big silly list. Probably a lot easier and cheaper than a proper stairway, too.

>>33583335
Those things are remarkably expensive, FYI.

>>33584810
>neutral country
>sell chocolates, cheese, utility knives and watches
>spend proceeds on supervillain-tier fortifications
>go skiing

I like it

>>33595517

I was just thinking shelving that is a secret door really. Yuppies will eat that shit up.

>>33591863
No question it looks better but hiring Juan and Carlos at home depot for $5 an hour and then just dropping them off at the ICE center instead of paying them is probably cheaper than getting some skilled bricklayers and stonemasons.

>>33595850
That works too.

>>33595517
Floor hatch under living room rug
Hatch leads to another rug weaved to look like a brick floor
Pulling out the rug reveals an actual brick floor
Removing the brick floor leads to a foot-deep hole with a boot in it
Real entry to saferoom is under a very small rug in the furthest room from the entrance

>>33583067
Where are you building and who are you defending from anon? Will there be visitors or will it be a compound in bumfuck nowhere?

If you build it all out of concrete and make it look like its meant to be a castle or bunker people are going to realize that. That means that enemies have time to plan around your defenses, know to expect other defenses and also makes you seem crazy to normies.

Better to have innocuous looking features that just so happen to be defensible if necessary. Retaining walls, outbuildings, water features instead of barricades, observation posts and moats.

>>33584554
Had to clear a long blackberry bramble that grew around a wire fence on my uncle's farm a few years back. Was a fucking nightmare. Couldn't just mulch it because of the wire, wire was so tangled in the bramble we couldn't just cut it with cutters and pull it out.

Ended up just burning a half mile strip of land and pulling the wire out of the ashes. Would be even worse with concertina wire - seen that shit stop everything from 4x4s to caterpillar tracks when it gets tangled up in the workings.

>>33585017
I always wanted to buy up a block of rowhomes in a small rusted out city, like Cumberland MD, Johnstown PA, Youngstown, OH, etc. They are like 10k a piece. Then I knock down the walls between all of the houses in the row and set up pic related throughout. Play Pavlov's House 2.0 when the racewar comes.

>>33591946
Your mother's vagina.

>>33596002
You yanks really have that much trouble with blackberry bushes?
couldnt you have just given up on the wire fence and built a new stretch?

>>33584554
black berry jam is the shit my man

>>33585638
theyre tough and prickly but remember they are flammable m8- in fact it makes very good fire wood

They are *extremely* useful plants , as well as making good firewood they have quite sturdy wood which is used in making canes and the like, the gum is useful if you want to make ink, berries are ok if you want to make jam or infuse gin (good) or use it in making alcohol (not personally recommended), can be used to fortify tea and port, and finally the juice can be used as a blue dye for linen.
Really of all plants to get in a long term survival situation, this is one of the most useful.

>>33596856
By the way, to expand on the point about gin, its worth having a garden of the plants needed, theyre usually tough and dont require much care, if any.
Alcohol is the most important thing you will have, to trade , and possibly the best thing you will have to drink.
Maybe make beer if you have a brewery shed and a field or two too

>>33596893
Nearly every self sufficient farm/ plantation of considerable size had a still by the time of the Civil War. It was produced on site for medical, trade, and personal consumption purposes. It is easy enough to set up and is a quick way to create a value added product out of whatever cover crops you grow.

>>33597141
good good, is this still the case?
Also what did you make apart from moonshine? you need to infuse your spirits so did everyone have special ingredient gardens?

>>33597333
No, it is not still the case. This is VERY illegal in the US now. Before regulation, every region used different crops for the mash, but all of them made some kind of whiskey. Every farm had its own specific recipe and process. The one's that were well liked (or well marketed), usually had an elder son in charge of the distillation, some of these evolved into a seperate business entirely (only one of thesr early farm distilleries is still in operation, Old Overholt Rye, my drink of choice; a smooth Pennsylvania Rye whiskey that is now distilled in Kentucky.)

>>33597429
Isnt the US meant to be about freedom?
Not a huge whiskey expert, but its a fine thing to make anyway

>>33597649
The feds have been regulating such home whiskey distilling since G Washington was president. It was the first domestic product to ha a tax imposed on it by the US federal government in 1791, which met armed resistance by the farmers.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whiskey_Rebellion
It is a spirit with a deliciously storied history.

The best defensive weapon is something like a potato cannon that shoots dragon dildos.

>>33598438
As long as the the base of the sex toy fits snuggly inside of the bore, that is entirely plausible. We used to cut two styrofoam disks to the bore diameter, sandwich as many airsoft bbs as we could between them, shove it down the barrel, and clear whole sections of the woods of enemies when I was growing up.

>>33586481
that pic
>has glass walls
>still has windows on it

>>33597766
Fucking puritans, i suppose Washington only ever cared about money but you would have thought more noble souls , like Franklin, would have moved against it.

Federal government is generally a cancer that cant be removed, once something is established it will do all in its power to stay that way, fucking over people just to continue.
Full on democracy mixed with federal departments and bureaus really doesnt work for the people, much less for alcohol and tobacco prices .

What happens if you make your own on your farm now? Would you just need an inspection and some paperwork or is it just no-no?

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I'm telling you man, start forts.
Build a nice little town in there.

Just ceep it away from undersea cables

>>33599404
>Just ceep it away from undersea cables
You people ceep making references to cables and star forts, and I don't understand the connection between the two.

>>33599190
It was only ever about the money, whiskey was also being used as currency on the frontier, devaluing the dollar (unless we were still under Confederation, can't remember right now). This was probably the first major instance of a self serving federal bueracracy, and it happened almost immediately.
If you make your own you're only ok if Uncle Sam never finds out. Even if it's for personal consumption, they don't care, they will get you on intent to distribute. No one gets drunk without gummint getting its money.

>>33593098
>Bleachbit

>know it, use it, be confident.

>>33583645

>purchase the corner commercial property on diagonally opposed corners of the street. Convert to a mixed retail business like barbershop / smoke shop on each. Something that is a business, but not one that attracts thieves like shit does for flies. Additional space for a mini police station. A cop loves a safe place to stop for a good shit in mid shift. Shitter, Keurig, kitchenette with microwave that is accessible with a touch code door lock. You will have a police presence in your area more often. Additionally you will be making rents off the commercial space usage. These gentrified neighborhoods are typically mixed high density residential and small retail areas in my experience.