Thoughts on this blade?

The sykes-fairbairn is a combat standard. The handles are uncomfortable, and the blade is only good for stabbing or slitting throats. I'd collect an original, but I wouldn't carry one.

Hmm....yep, looks like a knife to me. Probably used for stabbing or cutting things.

>>33580860
best fighting knife ever designed. Could be improved with a full length tang and a more ergonomic handle, though.

>>33580860
Girp looks kinda ugly. I guess it's okay though.

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>>33580860
That's not a knoife
This is a knoife

>>33580968

Only plebes would choose a Bowie knife over a FB Sykes. Muh utility be dammed.

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>>33580949

It's been done.

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>>33580978

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>>33580949
>best fighting knife ever designed.

Disagree. It was cheap and expedient, like most of Brit WW2 hardware. It was effective, though, and like the Sten it was a big bang for the buck.

Compared to the Randall, it was kinda junky.

>>33580949
>Could be improved with a full length tang

fairbairn skyes IS a full-length tang secured by a pein nut at the end.

in fact the best way to identify a genuine original FS pattern is that the pein nut is deformed with chequer-cut vise clamping marks on the nut.

>>33580860
Ok concealable knife for thugs. Stupid fro other applications. Guard is just bad, screwdriver has better handle.

>>33580860

https://youtu.be/uDGHKyB3T_U

Ask this guy.

>>33582540
>guard is just bad
it keeps your hand from sliding onto the blade from the ferrule, how is it bad

>>33582954

Post YFW you realize that no Brits will ever be born like him again

>>33582954
>>33582970

How could a country fall so far in only 70ish years?

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>>33582961
>it keeps your hand from sliding onto the blade from the ferrule
But it doesn't. It is ok for hammer grip but you can do much much better fro this grip see rondel dagger or baselard, rock solid and bombproof. Thing is commandos were taught fencing handshake grip and for that sykes-fairbairn grip and guard makes no sense at all. When held horizontally guard doesn't help against fingers slipping at all. Even more guard presses against thumb's and can damage finger, especially first iteration with larger guard. On later patterns its possible to place thumb on the flat of the blade to prevent this.

If you want to see really good handle for fencing grip, look for cold steel warcraft tanto.

Fairbairn is meh design only praised because of britbongs advertasing like other bribongs things
>muh dagger
>muh tea
>muh rifled tank gun
>muh longbow

>>33583063
An article I read about the planning for the queens funeral had a severe undertone of how it'll be the final nail in the coffin of a once great country

>>33580860
That was the first knife i ever bought, i was 12 or 13. I got it from an Army Navy surplus store for about 30$, no idea what they cost now

>>33583202
bruh
I wasn't talking about the hammer or icepick grips, I was talking about the fencing grip that you mentioned (you actually know what you're talking about tho, so I congratulate you).

If for some reason your hand is at risk of slipping onto the blade, e.g you hit a rib, your thumb slides onto the flat of the blade and the cross guard presses onto your index finger, effectively stopping your hand from progressing into the first stage of a blood pact between overzealous boys.

I do agree that the cross guard is of a somewhat poor design, then again it was mass produced on a whim to some very specific dimensions so there were bound to be some oversights in the design. The grip is pretty shitty too, so we agree on multiple things

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>>33580860
makes me want a Highland Dirk i can name Diggler

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>>33580860
>not an Arkansas toothpick

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>>33580860
It is by far the most aesthetic knife to ever be conceived. Daggers in general are just cool.

the FS knife was great for removing individuals, but as a general combat knife it's lacking, this is evident by guys in the field who would prefer stuff like a kabar over it because it offered more utility, had a stronger tang, and was still good enough for stabbing a motherfucker if needed

>>33580978
This
If you know how to handle a knife in a fight you would always go for a thinner double sided blade rather than a big and heavy single edge.

>>33581012
The pommel on a fighting knife is supposed to be a metal dome, for cranium crushing.

>>33580968

That scene could of went wrong. Picture if one of the gang members pulled out a gun and just shot them both.

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>>33580860
>Thoughts on this blade?

Everyone seems to live the F-B, but the V-42 is arguably superior for the same purpose.

>>33585403
The F-B inspired the V-42.

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>>33585879
>The F-B inspired the V-42.

Sure, but has plenty of improvements which in general aren't well recognized, it's a bit sad.

>>33585403
whats that round bit on the base of the blade for? to put your thumb on? or so it wont get stuck?

>>33586021
>whats that round bit on the base of the blade for? to put your thumb on? or so it wont get stuck?

Certain stabbing motions require you to put your thumb on it. It's serrated for grip.

Other improvements:
- Skullcrusher pommel
- More grippy handle
- Padded guard to prevent you from hurting yourself in a struggle
- Different point design allowing you to literally punch through a german helmet if need be (doing so may damage your blade though...)

>>33580860
Once upon a time someone on /k/ quoted a viable opinion of some special forces vet on that knife.
I think it was a quote from saids vet book.

The vet said - "that knife was designed by a surgeon, not by an experienced knife fighter.
Sure, the stab might be deadly, but it won't kill in an instant, for that you need a wider blade that will cause more trauma on the blow"

...or something like that. Maybe some anon made a printscreen.
I think the vet was in favour of ka-bar.

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>>33586054
>W.E. Fairbairn and Eric Sykes
>not experienced knife fighters

Fairbairn was covered in scars he had received during the time he built proto-SWAT in Shanghai. And it's not like the FS knife was the only melee weapon he designed, if you want something bigger there's the smatchet.

>>33582954
these old vets give me feels

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPjXuYxwJNY

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>>33586054

Good luck sticking someone in the subclavian artery with a wide blade from behind, smartass.

(pic times were debunked, but shows the most likely targets for stabbing)

>>33586139
>>33586173
Im just quoting mate, hoping someone saved that comment.
No bully.

>>33581024
I inherited my gradfather's Randall model 1. His best friend and war buddy had it remade for him in the 60's, as after carrying it during WW2 the handle had worked loose. It is beautiful and the best made knife I have ever held

>>33582954
This is why screwdrivers and butter knives are banned in the UK, men like this aren't all gone yet and could probably still kill a bobby a third of their age with a catheter tube.
That knife is one of the handiest balanced blades I've ever picked up, the grip just looks skinny compared to what we use now because it was purpose built for one task. The genuine Kabars were good too but good luck finding one with a full tang.

>>33586054
>Sure, the stab might be deadly, but it won't kill in an instant, for that you need a wider blade that will cause more trauma on the blow"
But that's extremely wrong in one particular way. The FS knife is stereotypically supposed to be used to stick someone in the neck.

If you sever the veins in the neck, it only takes a few seconds for the blood pressure to drop low enough that the brain simply cannot function and sustain consciousness.

Basically, it's an argument of technique versus brute force, something which is pretty common in the world of martial arts anyway.

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>>33580860

>>33586054

That person was dumb. The only reason that this blade is not widely used anymore is because it lacks the utility of the kabar or becker knives. You can't use it to pry, open a ration can, cut rope, or anything really other than straight up murder a dude. If you carry a FB Sykes, you have to carry another knife to do the everyday tasks, which just takes up valuable weight and space.

>>33587138

>prying things with a knife
>opening cans with a knife

you fuckin wot m8?

>>33580860
Never loses reception.

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>>33580860
It's a big ol' meme.

Not saying it's a bad knife, but it's way the fuck overrated because nobody seems to bother looking into the other knives that were used at the time.

>>33587167

Go to /out/ and ask them about the baton meme

>>33586329
Why do you britbongs love stabbing the police so much? If you're gonna break the law anyway, why not buy an illegal handgun?

>>33587257
Maybe because people who break the law usually do so because they are fucking poor to begin with and can't afford to buy a handgun illegaly?

Why the fuck do you think people break into houses or rob stores? For sport?

>>33587273
Find that hard to believe, as even dirt poor fishermen in Somalia can afford weapons.

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>>33585311

Good luck trying to crack a skull with a lightweight dagger.

Get yourself a Peskett device.

>>33587273
Funny. In the rest of the world, its the poor that do all the shooting.

>>33587339
Somalians do not have law enforcement they need to hide their guns from.

>>33587339
they don't have anti-gun regulations in Somalia

>>33587349
If by "rest of the world" you mean "in the US states where anyone can get a hi-point for less than $200" then I guess.

Getting a guns that is easy to acquire and costs less than $200 to rob a store is a sound investment. Looking for an illegal source of firearms and paying a highly elevated price for it is not.

>>33580860
My letter opener of choice.

>>33585403
that looks like a proper fighting knife alright.

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>>33586054

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>>33586664
Pro tip: wider blade requires less precision for severing veins in the neck.

>>33587610
well you can achieve the same effect if you yank the blade sideways after stabbing it in as you pull out. and in a much lighter and smaller package.

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>>33587630
>and in a much lighter and smaller package
This brings the point of Fairbairn's limited experience. He was cop dealing with thugs His field of view was limited by set of concealable thug's knifes. Warriors didn't care about daggers concealability. Quite opposite open carry was proud privilege. But pigs can't comprehend this.

>>33586139
What was that other thing he made, looked kind of like a kukri

>>33586145
>heavier than I remember
;_;

>>33587543
>that looks like a proper fighting knife alright.

Not so much fighting as for silent sentry removal.

>>33587610
>Pro tip: wider blade requires less precision for severing veins in the neck.

Good luck getting that to pierce the subclavian artery though.

Remember that german sentries started carrying their rifle slung in a way which protected their neck and kidneys, so you'd have to go for another target. This being the subclavian artery. Added bonus is that you bleed out internally and don't drip blood all over the place.

>>33580860
>Thoughts on this blade?

Perfect for killing people

Not so useful for other stuff.

Go look up the V42 while you are on a knife buzz

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>>33587273
>Why the fuck do you think people break into houses or rob stores? For sport?
Yes. That's often the literal reason for anti-social types.

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>>33583202
"fairbairn sykes is a shit knife"

"go for muh cold steel instead"

>>33588345
>german sentries started carrying their rifle slung in a way which protected their neck and kidneys

Seems like you could only protect one side of your neck and/or one kidney.

>>33587703
i thought the fb was specifically for infiltration spook work.

>>33580860
Meh it's ok. particularly if you are practiced with a knife and know a whole lot about anatomy. Most SOF types at the time preferred something more substantial like a KABAR though. usually when using a knife theyd silence the target, then stab them again and kinda fish around while rending them open to incapacitate them more quickly. for that kinda work the commando dagger style proved to be a little too dainty/fragile.

>>33586139
or y'know you could get a bowie, which is more combat effective then a smatchet while being just a utilitarian

>>33588374
Usually it's for drug money combined with an inability to hold a job due to the fact that they can't maintain any kind of a professional relationship for long. Also, illegal guns cost like $300 on average, and many of the people who typically sell them(drug dealers) are surprisingly willing to work on credit if they know you

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>>33580949
>best fighting knife ever designed.

This is objectively incorrect, the FS sacrifices effectiveness as a weapon in exchange for portability. Pic related is a better weapon in every way, it's just not as easy to carry. Since knife use was relatively uncommon in WW2 people started carrying smaller knives because they were easier to carry and still effective enough. This is also why people moved towards fighting/utility knives.

>Could be improved with a full length tang

The hell do you think that pommel nut is attached to dude?

>>33582970
Don't believe everything you read on the internet.

https://youtu.be/xwXlh1zugpA

>>33586329
>This is why screwdrivers and butter knives are banned in the UK

sigh - you know this isn t true don't you

>>33580860
Still issued around the place in small numbers
Lot of armourers would end up re-grinding the tip about a half inch shorter as they where usually snapped off by soldiers doing... well 'grunt things' with them to various shit

>>33583228
>final nail in the coffin of a once great country

that happened when they gave up their gun rights

>>33588783
>reading comprehension
I only suggested to look at handle not knife as whole.

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>>33589562

>actually typing "sigh"

>>33589587
why do brits even post on /k/ if guns are banned in the UK

>>33589538
>Pic related is a better weapon in every way
man...
>compare a fighting knife to a proper dagger
>thinks he is smart
i'm not saying you are not right but it's like comparing carbines to battle rifles.

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>>33589641
>using carbine when you can use battle rifle

>>33589641
>compare a fighting knife to a proper dagger

They're both fighting knives and they're both daggers you dingus.

Also >>33589663

>>33589668
not exactly you see the dagger had an implied role of used in melee combat against heavier weapons. meanwhile fighting knives are not in any way designed to parry medieval weaponry or stab through armor.

they are simply not built the same. the only reason a modern fighting knife could do it is the superior metals and metal working.

>>33589623
The same reason guys who cant get laid watch porn

>>33589663
i wouldn't pick a carbine in most cases over a br but there are circumstances when it's better. like for a pdw inside a fighting vehicle or cqb against unarmored opponents.

>>33589709
your analogy does not work, guys who watch porn can get a woman if they wish, brits cant get guns

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>>33589698
>the dagger had an implied role of used in melee combat against heavier weapons

The larger daggers used in ye olden days were employed against anything that the user might encounter, to include other daggers.

They are knives made for fighting, they are fighting knives.

The fact that the fighting knives of today are generally smaller doesn't magically make older fighting knives into some new class of weapon.

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>>33589538

Have a couple daggers made from nugget bayonets.

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>>33589867
Pretty fuckin' neat Anon.

>>33589777
listen you stupid shit fighting knives are not the same as daggers. not every knife you stab with is a dagger. the dagger for example has a very pronounced guard it has great weight which is important for parry. the other is the blade geometry which makes it more like a prybar and more suited to push through armor than a utility knife. hence why bowies with cross-guard are not daggers.

the fighting knives on the other hand are used in an entirely different manner. mostly against unarmed or knife wielding opponents.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1266170/Disabled-caravanner-prosecuted-keeping-penknife-car-use-picnics.html

>>33585894
I agree, the V -42 is a superior knife in everyway

>>33586036
As used and Battle proven by the SSF in Italy and France

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>>33589908
>fighting knives are not the same as daggers.

I know that.

Dagger refers to blade style, fighting knife refers to purpose. The dagger I posted earlier is a fighting knife, the bowie I posted earlier is a fighting knife, and the kukri I'm posting now is a fighting knife.

>the dagger for example has a very pronounced guard it has great weight

The one I posted does, which is part of what makes it a better weapon than an FS. However, daggers in general do not necessarily share these features. Dagger is a pretty broad term.

>blade geometry which makes it more like a prybar
>prybar

kek, I wouldn't even call the thickest dagger a prybar.

>fighting knives on the other hand are used in an entirely different manner. mostly against unarmed or knife wielding opponents

Which I'm sure has nothing to do with the fact that by the time modern fighting knives really became a thing everyone was using a firearm as a primary weapon.

>>33587257
Same reason muzzies use cars and knives as weapons, guns are hard to obtain.

>>33581012
Anybody got one of these? Does it still use the fencing grip?