Gas - why it should be more common than bullets

>>33578628
Pisses off munitions suppliers.

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>>33578628
>Its humane

>>33578628
You have to be 18 to post here.

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(you)

I'll pretend this is a serious post for a second.
Gas is indiscriminate. It will kill anything it is deployed near with no chance to surrender or retaliate.

>>33578652
that's pretty

"Saddam Hussein throws a little gas. Everyone goes crazy."
"You had Iraq and you had Iran. And I said, they fight, they're always fighting for decades and decades, for generations. They fight, that's what they do. They fight. How we ever got involved in this mess is hard to believe."

>>33578640

Munitions troop here.

I love gas.

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>>33578628
>humane
Because coughing up your innards is preferable to just getting shot.

>>33578628

>Its humane.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXUeLwAit3Y

>>33578628
>Why the taboo
WWI and all of the horrible suffering and injuries caused by gas it also contaminates the area and is far messier than a gun.

>see Cape Town or Baltimore
yes those shitholes should be gassed

>>33578682

>Implying you won't cough up your innards after being shot in the gut.

Fuck gun owners today are retarded.

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>>33578628
>humane

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>>33578697
>Fuck gun owners today are retarded.
Get of my board gasfag.

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>>33578644
Death by gun = 5 minutes bleeding out, pain everywhere

Death by gas = 1 minute of confusion because body seizes followed by blackout

Gas should be more common and causes much less collateral damage. Syrians are a violent race and often die violent deaths, gas is a much more peaceful way to go than their usual deaths.

Do you pluck wings off of flies or do you simply spray the flies with a can of Raid?

>>33578682
>coughing up innards
Oh please, their deaths were no where near dramatic you little dramaqueen.

Gas is considered indiscriminate - weapons that have the unlimited capacity to kill beyond their initial use such as Nuclear bombs, gas and land mines

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>>33578628
>>33578678
>>33578697
>humane

>>33578710
Bombs are also indiscriminate you stupid fuck

>>33578724
>Precision guided weapons
>indiscriminate
I want /pol/ to go

>>33578724
Good thing its no longer 1942 then, isn't it. Everything is guided these days.

>>33578710
>indiscriminate
This makes me think. What if there were biological agents tied to target strict genetic sequences? Since this "indiscriminate" thing is such a big issue to you people, would precision biological weapons that drop a family tree finally make it okay to use them in war time?

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>>33578707
Kek you had to delete and repost the same drivel.

>he thinks being gassed is painless and more humane than a bullet.

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>>33578742
>collateral damage doesn't happen bombs are so foolproof

This meme again.

The use of gas was the right choice. And everyone should start using it for temporary area denial.

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>>33578724
>he doesn't know about guided weapons

>have a war so terrible you decide to ban certain weapons afterwards
>literally 100 years later some retards who have never seen gas warfare think it's okay
This is why we need history class children

>>33578724
Literally no. Bombs only kill the thing you drop them on. Dropping a bomb on somebody that isn't an enemy combatant does not make bombs indiscriminate, it makes the military indiscriminate.

Cluster explosives are considered indiscriminate due to their large area of effect, but that seems more of a political reaction to their use in the Middle East and elsewhere than an accurate estimation of the weapons' deadliness.

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>>33578761
>biological weapons
>temporary area denial
I'd go back to playing CS:GO if I were you.

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>>33578774
Guided bombs delivering chemical agents

>>33578743
>Since this "indiscriminate" thing is such a big issue to you people, would precision biological weapons that drop a family tree finally make it okay to use them in war time?
How is literal purest-definition-of-the-word genocide and improvement over simple mass murder?

>>33578777
this
Gas warfare is shitty, troops in ww1 pissed on rags and tied them to their mouths to try and survive.

>>33578743
No because the possibility of genetics-based biological warfare is infinitely worse than blanket gas attacks. Are you retarded?

>>33578803
>genocide
Its a precision strike, nothing more.

>>33578666
So will some soldiers and all bombs...

>>33578628
The largest issue I see is in our current conflict, a hostile element is hiding among a "friendly" group or non-combatives, So using AOE styled weapons as effective as gas would harm the larger "friendly " group.

That said, if a there were a large hostile element hiding in say a valley, and there was no possible way for friendly fire, then go a head.


tl:dr Friendly fire is bad press.

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>>33578628
>Its humane

>>33578813
>isolate genetic markers of XYZ race or ethnic group
>develop chemical agent that activates only upon reaction to these genetic markers
>not genocide
Idiot

>>33578799
Cannot exist because gas is carried by the wind.
You fool. If it were that simple then the German in WW1 would have just turned off the gas when the wind blew it back at them.

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>>33578666
>>33578710
>Gas is indiscriminate
Trucks are indiscriminate to. We should bomb Sweden for using trucks on their own people.

Memes aside, indiscriminate is not an argument. Bombs can be indiscriminate, bullets can be indiscriminate, it all depends on how its used. A gas attack on a remote military base is not going to kill any more civilians then a bombing it flat.

>>33578828
>isolate genetic markers of XYZ race or ethnic group
Because that's so easy to do.

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GRIFFITH DID NOTHING WRONG. CASKA WANTED IT

Seriously though. The gas was nothing to get upset over. Hope it gets more use.

>>33578741
>bombs
>in any way precise
YOU ARE FUCKING RETARDED

It fucks up the area so that nobody can live there.

Bombs explode and then go away.

>Doesn't understand the ethical contentions of indiscriminate weapons
>Thinks violent prolonged convulsions leading to uncontrolled vomiting and projectile shit followed by death is "humane"
>Avatarfags as muh "based" Assad
underageb& confirmed

>>33578864
>It fucks up the area so that nobody can live there.
You are thinking nukes my man.

>>33578864
You think the gas was permanent? It did its job and the enemy died. Everyone moved on.

>>33578863
Off to google with you

>>33578873
>prolonged convulsions
Less then 1 minute counts for "prolonged" now eh.
Seriously this whole "it's ok to murder people, just so long as they don't suffer to bad" thing is disturbing.

>>33578843
And when gas is used it suddenly becomes acceptable.
There's a reason certain weapons are banned or heavily restricted, you don't want everyone having them and you do not want the mindset to become it's okay to use them.

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The problem is gas seeps into the earth.
There is still alot of land in France that is COMPLETELY uninhabitable due to WW1 and its gas munitions. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zone_Rouge

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Gas is great, gas is good
Let if waft above the hood

Reminder that Iraq wasn't a hellhole when the gas was being doled out. Gas kept a belligerent nutjob populace of rape-babies/incest-babies under control. The same applies with modern day gas use.

>>33578892
This

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>noone has posted this yet

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFSjkNOSwcQ

being blinded for life and have massive blisters form inside your lungs is the most humane way to go tbbhl

>>33578897
That has more to do with UXOs and the chemicals that come from them than anything else.

>>33578911
Vs a hole in their chest followed by blood, tissue, and feces mixing together and making contact in areas in shouldn't until death.

Yeah, normal death by bullets is so much better.

Your soapbox is a little soggy.

>>33578915
True, but it also mentioned the soil having chemicals in it (And tons of human and animal remains). The danger has since passed but immediately after the war I could see it being a problem.

>>33578892
Its all about do unto others, since most people would prefer a quick and instant death over a drawn out one. Thats really the basis of the western outlook, just because we've spent the last 20 years fighting niggers doesn't excuse nigger behavior in ourselves.

What about biological weapons like fleas carrying plagues? The edgelords here would argue that's humane too.

>>33578906
Removing Saddam and the Ba'ath party from power was a monstrous mistake. I don't fucking care what his regime was doing to Shiite and Kurdish scum. He was a solid, secular pillar in that region. Fuck, I hate being American.

>>33578964
Japan tried that and it backfired. They are a shitty delivery platform.

>>33578966
Muslims need dictators. Something to genuinely fear otherwise they act out on their most basic instincts.

>>33578897
At this point wouldn't it be more effective to just use controlled detonations to blow off the top few feet of soil and smash up all the poisoned ground and unexploded ordnance?

>>33578934
Lmao edgy

>>33578982
Precisely why I support Bashar and Hussein. Powerful and secular rulers. "Muh democracy" faggots are truly short sighted people.

>>33579009
t. fatlus who never leaves his basement and jacks off to pics of Putin.

>>33578966
And we hate have niggers like you in our country

>>33579009
Keeping dictators in power just so we don't have to see Muslims committing human rights violations on our soil is not a long-term solution.

>>33579029
But I'm not a nigger, Schlomo.
>>33579027
America has no place in Eurasia. Piss off.

>>33579032
Actually, it kind of is. Democracy and Islam don't go together. Tolerance and Islam cannot mix.

>>33578628

Killing people via small arms and explosives is more expensive and harder than gas. This is all a scheme to keep the poor countries down.

>>33578892
>Less then 1 minute counts for "prolonged" now eh.
>Less then 1 minute

For acute exposure only.
For most of the victims, they are only hit with trace amounts of the substance. It's common to see the time to death reach or exceed 15 minutes.

>>33579049
So what about Qaddafi? He was a dictator and he was funding terrorism.
Regardless of if they are "secular" or not, they are still tyrants. If Assad gasses his own people then what exactly makes him better than a terrorist group leading? By that point they have become the same thing.

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>>33579049
>Actually, it kind of is. Democracy and Islam don't go together. Tolerance and Islam cannot mix.

Bingo. But careful anon, /k/ is full of faggots who would gladly let shitskin vermin pour into their countries just so long as their firearm laws remain untouched.

>>33579078
>his own people

Ah there it is. The magic phrase. It's his people. Let the Turks deal with that area.

>>33578828
I presume you're developing it in your evil layer on a island in the middle of the pacific? Do you have henchmen, maybe a smoking hot female assassin?

>>33578875
Not true, there are places in France and Germany that have so much unexploded chemical munitions, they they're off limits.

>if Assad gets killed we won't have to deal with these kinds of retards anymore

Hopefully he'll be a goner within a year and /pol/ refugees can stop spamming us.

>>33579078
>His people
His people
His problem
His final solution

>>33578839
>the german
You mean everybody involved in ww1

>>33578628
Uhhhhh, i seriously hope i don't have to point out that this is a troll to you guys.

Oh, and newer gasses aren't easy to clean up. the older stuff like Sarin was volatile enough to just evaporate on it's own after a little while, but that VX has the consistency of motor oil and tends to linger famalam

>>33578996
>lets Blow up contaminated soil putting poisenous dust and Gas residues Back into the air

Sounds like a good Plan, i don't get why the responsible partys in france didnt think of that yet

>>33578628
It does not discriminate between friend and enemy. It does not destroy material resources either.

It is also obviously illegal.

Its ok we know millennials are a moral hole already

>>33578628
>>33578697
>>33578707
>>33578724
>>33578761
>>33578863

Can /pol/ plz git and stay git?
This is just next level trolling and autism.

>>33579186
Says the millennial.

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What's the safest gas to use on these people?

>>33578850
Well to be fair she wanted his d for the longest time..

>>33579205
VX.
Drop it in Detroit, Chicago, and a few other choice places, everyone else there would be acceptable losses.

>>33579205
Bacon gas

>>33579091
>>33579126
And when it stops being his people?

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>>33578749

>>33579049
>Tolerance and Islam cannot mix.
So we either redefine tolerance as the radical left has done, or we force Islamists to redefine Islam.
I'm more in favor of the latter than the former. Let the ones in the desert be cast in the same light as Christian radicals in, say, Africa. It's time Islam had a reformation of it's own.

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>>33579269
Well, now they are France's and Germany's people. If he was simply allowed to gas them from the beginning, the entire immigration crisis would be nonexistent.

Enjoy your fucked countries that have to accept one of the most fucked up cultures on Earth now.

>>33578743
MGS FOXDIE...

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>>33578934
>Yeah, normal death by bullets is so much better.

consider why veterans who experienced 5 years of machineguns and shrapnel thought blister gas was by far the worst and would steal gas masks from their wounded friends just to avoid it

the mode of death was usually from extreme irritation and blistering on the air sacs of the lung until the lungs became too torn up to work combined with skin blisters and blindness

>They cannot be bandaged or touched. We cover them with a tent of propped-up sheets. Gas burns must be agonizing because usually the other cases do not complain, even with the worst wounds, but gas cases are invariably beyond endurance and they cannot help crying out.

>>33579464
They screamed the same screams from infections from normal wounds my no-source friend.

>>33578777
/thread

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>>33579542

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=hUQHDAAAQBAJ&pg=PA184&lpg=PA184&dq=%3EThey+cannot+be+bandaged+or+touched.+We+cover+them+with+a+tent+of+propped-up+sheets.+Gas+burns+must+be+agonizing+because+usually+the+other+cases+do+no&source=bl&ots=YjQEhf7srC&sig=R5IlFNWaKH3OllQf-OgEjss26No&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjXsP-Y_pXTAhVmDMAKHUxBBSwQ6AEIKjAD#v=onepage&q&f=false

Gas cases are terrible. They cannot breathe lying down or sitting up they just struggle for breath, but nothing can be done. Their lungs are gone - literally burnt out. some have their eyes and faces entirely eaten away by gas and their bodies covered with first-degree burns. We must try to relieve them with a tent of popped-up sheets. Gas burns must be agonizing because usually the other cases do not complain, even with the worst wounds, but gas cases are invariably beyond endurance and they cannot help crying out. One boy today screaming to die, the entire top layer of his skin burnt from face and body. I gave him an injection of Morphine. He was wheeled out just before I came on duty. Where will it end?

"Laws" of war are hypocritical in general.

>fire bombing civilians
OK
>executing crew of bomber
War crime

Gas is cool and this was a good use of it

>>33578937
especially with the sheer firepower every country can bring to bear, we can see a fucking tiberium earth type environment.

>>33578628
Cannot target non-civilians

>>33578669
That's a bismuth crystal.
They are awesome.

>>33578628
Because it is too good for killing civilians and much easier to make than nukes. Game theory tells us that it is profitable for top military countries to ban this stuff so underdogs couldn't blackmail them with attacks against civilians.

>>33578644
Pretty sure they make gasses with opioids that more or less take the pain away.

Wouldn't be a bad way to die.
Maybe even enjoyable to some.

>>33578966
>He was a solid, secular pillar in that region.
Who constantly waged wars against neighbors just for fun and needed to be put down buy combined Western efforts. It is funny how people conveniently forget about his NBC programs, Iran war, Kuwait occupation, Kurd war. Is this your definition of stability lol?

>>33582301
Weaponized LSD derivative was real.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M43_BZ_cluster_bomb
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3-Quinuclidinyl_benzilate

>>33578628
>nuclear weapons are way more efficient than guns
>deaths are quick and painless
>fear factor far greater

police forces should be armed with nuclear weapons too then you edgy faggot

>>33582415
>nuclear weapons
>>deaths are quick and painless
High power nukes (aka modern nukes) has much larger lethal areas from thermal radiation and radiation contamination than from blast effects. So most casualties would be from burns and radiation poisoning. This is ugly stuff.

>>33578742
>Everything is guided these days.
Well, not Assad's barrel bombs or the shit Russia drops for him.

>>33578863
We can put an SDB through your window and mostly just kill you.

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>>33578877
>It did its job and the enemy died.
Real threat to his regime laid out there.

>>33578892
>>33578934
You usually have a chance to shoot back when it's bullets, you fucking piece of shit.

>>33578628
Gas can't be contained very easily, which leads to collateral.

>>33578966
>Implying the Kurds aren't the greatest bastion of decency and sanity in the region, or that it wasn't a massive mistake to divide Kurdistan among three nations

>>33583389
I thought cunny threads were against the rules

>>33578996
>>33579171
yeah because that shit would definitely be better flying around the country as poisonous dust for everyone to inhale than staying in the soil

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>>33578628
>Its humane. Its efficient.

Causes suffocation, blindness, bone-breaking involuntary muscle spasms, intense burning and blistering, liquid build up in lungs leading to asphyxiation (just to name just a few). Also due to environmental factors it is rarely distributed ideally, resulting in less than lethal concentrations that often leaves soldiers maimed. Said environmental factors may also make the weapon useless as most chemical weapons are effected by humidity, wind, and precipitation; it can only be used effectively if the weather is just right.

It is neither of those things and is also very easy to protect against, you moron.

>>33583445
>tfw /pol/acks on /k/ keep shilling for horrid dictators when there's actual underdog /k/ommando bros fighting Muzzies and Turks for freedom
Why bother anymore honestly.

>>33578628
>Its humane
Do you know anything about what you're talking about?

>>33579126
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7qT-C-0ajI

Goofy as the scene is, that government power functions by mandate of the masses is still valid, and the civil war started because "his people" refused to live under his tyranny any more.

I mean, fuck, rebellions and civil wars have been fought over less than Assad's crimes. Like taxation without representation.

>>33583555
Reminder that only the Kurds stood up and fought to protect the Yazidis from ISIS.

A Babylonian non-Abrahamic religious group that has been repeatedly treated like shit because their particular religion's beliefs sound like Satanism to hard-line muslims.

>>33584195
If it is not in the Bible it is not a religion but made up cult.

>>33584195
The Kurdish PDK Peshmerga ran like bitches (or were paid off) when the ISIS blitzkrieged their checkpoints west of Mt Sinjar. They ran alll the way back to Erbil leaving Mosul undefended.
THEN, the PDK went to the Assyrian Christian villages surrounding Mosul and disarmed the militias (who were rushing to defend those villages).
tldr Reminder that you're a dumbass

>>33582349
LSD wouldn't be very humane imho.
Something opiate based would at least knock you the fuck out before you died.
I think the Russians used something like that during a hostage crisis where they ended up ODing some the Terrorists and a few of the hostages.

>>33584216
Go fuck yourself you child. Abrahamic religions are just as made up.

>>33584268
>A few
Wasn't that one in the hundreds?

>>33584255
>Small checkpoints versus a bunch of militants moving in force

>>33584216
Protip most core stories of the bible(ex jesus) were blatantly ripped off of earlier religions in the region

>>33580135
Brainlets GTFO

>>33584328
Hell, one of the biggest differences with the Yazidi is that they don't worship God, but through his angels, the greatest of which, the Peacock Angel, is the one they pray to and so on.

The "Satanic" part is that he rebelled and was imprisoned, but was later forgiven and restored.

>>33578628
mutagenic properties give people cancer years later and cause mutants

>>33584255
Everyone runs like bitches when ISIS comes for them. It started with Americans run over the ocean from them.

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>>33578628
Have you ever seen the victims of a gassing? There's a reason it's a war crime.

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>>humane
This point has been beaten to death but fuck it, some people are still not convinced. Gas is not humane, it's not like a lethal injection, you don't just go to sleep. Mustard gas causes fluid build up in the lungs. It drowns you. It scars the lungs. It blinds you, which may or may not be permanent. Nerve gas targets the nerves, it shuts down your body bit by bit, leaving you conscious as your heart stops beating and lungs stop expanding. Gas lingers in an area, is indiscriminate, and can be impossible to detect. It has killed in great numbers, from the trenches of WWI to the mass extermination of Jews (and other "undesirables") during the Holocaust, to the recent attack in Syria. This is no overreaction, you won't just "go to sleep." You will die, slowly and painfully. All this debate on its use, its legality, is pointless. Gas is terrible. End of story, end of thread.

>>33584372
most blister agents are mutagenic btw, that's like mustard gas

nerve gas just kills them painfully

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>>33578628

>Baltimore
>Sweden
>"a populace"

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>>33578628
>Its humane

Literally what? Do you think they use carbon monoxide or some shit to make the pretty little soldiers go sleepy sleepy?

>It's efficient

At what? Drastically changing from a slight breeze? Lingering on battlefields for months, infecting soil and local waters? Poisoning your own men? Yeah, real efficient.

>Lethal gas should be more common in the battlefield and in law enforcement uses, not less
>its cleaner than any gun could be.
>cleaner

Chemical weapons are literally the exact opposite of everything you said. They are the epitome of dirty and inhumane fighting, which is exactly why they are banned. Jesus people like you actually exist. I hope I just got baited.

>>33578628
>humane
No.
We choose weapons that kill quickly and painlessly because they are humane. Gas does not kill quickly, it causes undue harm to non-combatants, and it lingers in the area for a long time. A weapon that takes time to kill is a garbage weapon for combat. A weapon that kills both enemies and civilians / friendlies who get too close is useless in all but the most extreme situations.

>>33578628

Even Hitler thought gas was evil.

>>33578996
>more effective to just use controlled detonations to blow off the top few feet of soil and smash up all the poisoned ground and unexploded ordnance

Literally what? Do you think all of the dirt just vaporizes and goes away like magic? Are you clinically retarded?

>>33584216

Technically, the Babylonians ARE in the Bible.

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Is this the thread where we pretend to be retarded, edgy little children just to get (you)s?

>>33584600
Don't spoil it for him.

>>33578784
>Cluster explosives are considered indiscriminate due to their large area of effect
I'd argue it has more to do with their tendency to leave a large amount of duds, but your point stands. Also, gasfag is an idiot and needs to go back to his containment board.

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>>33579193

Excellent point my friend

gas is good because you don't have to rebuild stuffs after you secure the perimeter

>>33584520
Looks like Mustard Gas fixed his face. Seems like pretty humane stuff desu.

>>33578628
mein fuhrer is that you?

>>33578628
Gas is ok against lesser races,but I would feel sorry for the innocent birds,cats,dogs and the rest of the critters.

>>33584783
Hitler did not like chemical weapons,partially because he got fucked up in ww1.

>>33578628
>efficient
>literally beholden to the fucking wind that day for both speed and direction of saturaiton
>lingers for weeks

Faggot OP is a faggot as usual.

JFC go back to /pol/ with this shit. We banned these weapons because they're hard to control, kill in utterly agonizing ways, and are, for these reasons considered repugnant. Anyone who would rather be gassed than shot doesn't have even the most remote concept of what a gas attack results in.

Why don't we just use laughing gas and put a smile on everyone's face? Don't worry. Be happy.

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>>33578628

>it's humane

Please drink this whole jug of sarin.

>>33578628
Because nobody wants to slog around in MOPP4. I did for an excercise for 4 straight hours and the fucking sweat was sloshing around my boots and gloves.

assad shills pls

>>33582301

Even when you try and justify the use of non-conventional weapons by engineering them to be 'humane', we don't want to set a precedent where use of a wider variety of types of weapons becomes the norm (gas, radiological, biological, nuclear).

That's not a direction most people want the world to move in, because as that technology develops it's going to become more widely available, to more governments, more non-government actors.

>>33584304
Nyet comrade.
Was glorious succes for spetznas forces.

>>33578628
1. It's indiscriminate and hard to control.
2. It's easily defeated via respirator or bottled oxygen / rebreather.
3. If you don't have a respirator, etc you can't use it in close quarters.
4. A negligent discharge could kill your entire fireteam.
5. People exposed to lower quantities will suffer for hours, days or weeks (suffering from fluid in the lungs, etc) before dying.
6. Low enough exposure might not kill you, but depending on the chemical, it can leave you with permanently damaged mental capacity, motor-control problems, heart diseases, birth defects in offspring and a host of cancers, etc.

>>33578628
Basically all chemical warfare gases kill you in horrific painful ways. Dying of blood loss is way less painful than that.
Most of these gases are heavier than air and will accumulate in below-ground level areas. Wind dispersal is also a problem, the wind will blow it in directions you don't want it to go. Some of these gases are also flammable and will cause uncontrolled fires.
Like many anons said, gas attacks kill indiscriminately. Other methods might be misused sometimes to kill indiscriminately, but gas literally has no other use case than killing indiscriminately. And soldiers actually have a better chance to survive than civilians because of gas masks.

>fire bombing
Aren't those banned as well by the Protocol III of the UN Convention on Conventional Weapons?

>regular bombings
Civilians and military personal will flee underground and can be besieged. So soldiers can surrender and civilians don't get killed unnecessarily. If you have to do area attacks, then regular explosives are the least of all evils.
Also drone strikes and targeted missiles are obviously useful to minimize collateral damage/deaths.

>>33578628

WW1 I guess. That's a pretty fucked up way to die.

>>33584441
I loled

>>33584642
>Is this the thread where we pretend to be retarded, edgy little children just to get (you)s?
That is exactly what it is.

>>33584854
>Anyone who would rather be gassed than shot doesn't have even the most remote concept of what a gas attack results in.
It's a basic premise of /pol/tard thinking that all the edgy things they advocate, will only happen to people they hate.

>>33582143
muh poopy meds

>>33583427
>It's not sporting chap ;_;
That's not why it's banned by the western rules of war, it's because it is fucking annoying to have to issue every soldier with mop gear and the decontamination infrastructure of such. See: the pain in the dick being boots on the ground during the first days of the Iraq war when they thought Saddam might say "fuck it, nuke me" and use sarin on the US curbstomping his army. If nothing sides agree not to use it, then they can back burner all that shit with the underlying fear that a desperate enemy will sucker punch your troops with it in a last gasp.

True total war in the modern era (say a fight for survival against ayys) you'd see nuclear, chemical, neutron bombs, explosive smallarm ammunition, etc.

>>33578628
>Its humane.
No, it's not. Dying by gassing is fucking agonizing.

>>33578707
>causes much less collateral damage
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

>>33578875
in austria a place near to my home there are roebucks with abnormale horns because of the gas residue in the ground. Ok there was a plant for chemical agents mostly mustardgas which was dumped into the ground but you see the impact even about 100 years or so latter

>>33578777
trips of truth

>>33584600
And it must be noted that Old Testament Jehova basically says there are other gods, but that the Jews should only worship him.

I think we are all missing the real point. 500k people have been killed and over 7 million displaced... why the fuck do we care when 100 civilians get gassed. We have seen people get their heads chopped off, burned to death in cages, get blown up etc. gas is just another means to die albeit an ineffective one, only 5 percent of the fatalities in ww1 were from gas. The rest were artilary and guns. Not to mention its pretty easy to avoid the gas they used as it has a noticable smell like moldy hay. You can avoid it by moving to a higher elevation as phosgene is pretty dense. Also adoes this mean if assad killed these people with a bomb it would be okay.

Honestly its their fucking war imagine if britan attacked the north during the civil war because of shermans march to the sea . Its not our fight and i could give a fuck

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>>33585999

>all gas is the worst gas

>>33578828
FOXDIE????

>>33586122
Nah i would rather get hit with chlorine then vx. I can run out of a chlorine cloud with minimal damage.. VX gas ill be dead without an atropine injection.

>>33578774
This is why drone strikes are so popular in Palestine and totally never end up killing unintended targets right?

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>>33578628

This is actually a reasonable argument.

But I would argue that it has to be a potent and lethal gas instead of the half-assed home-made shit the White Helmets used in Syria a few days ago.

>>33583427

>Muh humane bullets

Talk about edgy... r/The_Donald is that way -->

>>33586318
Still far better than CBRN weapons edgelord.

>>33578741
>>33578724
>>33578863
>>33583358


Precision Guided Munitions refers to missiles

"Smart" and guided bombs are far less indiscriminate than your standard MK82/83/84, but they aren't foolproof either.

The main thing about gas that causes bombs to win over them is that bombs don't get blown off course by a slight breeze. Gas does.

We have to factor this in for things like smoke flares and other illumination/signal devices.

Why do people worship Assad? They treat him like he's the greatest fucking guy in the world and could do no wrong. Don't get me wrong I'd rather have him stay in power until the war is over but I want Kurdistan to take Syria's place but that's unlikely.

>>33586401
In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is treated like a king.

Similarly a secular semi-dictator who at least tries to make it look like he is running a democracy appears to most people as the most sane man in the asylum.

>>33578628
Just because you enjoy huffing gas doesn't mean everyone else does you aboriginal cumstain.

>>33578628
cos the whole point of war is depopulation also

imagine if there were weapons that didin't kill but only mamined people you would have to take care of them after the fight which would mean it would cost you time and money looking after them

>>33586511
>cos the whole point of war is depopulation also
No, no it isn't. Generally it's about conquest of resource, and is the application of violence to force your political will on your enemy.

>>33586659

Get a load of this faggot.

>War isn't about the thing it's been about for centuries since the dawn of time

>It's only about this retarded thing we've been doing for about 40 years now.

>>33586704
Edgelord detected.

>>33578628
>People who think chemical weapons "gas" is like a cloud of smoke that quickly kills everyone the area and then dissipates

THE MAIN USE FOR CHEMICAL WEAPONS IS AREA DENIAL YOU FUCKING IDIOTS. SHIT LIKE NERVE GAS AND BLISTER AGENTS ARE OILS THAT POOL ON THE TERRAIN AND POISON EVERYONE WHO GOES THERE.
AN AREA OF LAND BOMBED WITH SARIN WOULD FUCKING MURDER A CIVILIAN THAT WANDERED INTO IT 2 MONTHS LATER.

>>33586704
>I'm so dumb I don't understand the fundamentals of anything
Look at this fucking dingus

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>>33586704
Are you twelve? Social Darwinism applies to you as well.

>>33587004

No.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsfUEgoFA6o

>>33578850
>Caska
I bet you say "Beherit" too.

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>>33583389
oh noes dead muzzies. Were they strangled? Was it cholera? Why so many kids on a military target?
Oh, you say it was some kind of gas that you have no proof of. Ok I get it now shill.

>>33578644
Well, that depends on the gas. Modern nerve gases, not so bad if the dosage is strong. Mustard or phosgene? Fuck no.

>>33585635
>Civilians and military personal will flee underground and can be besieged. So soldiers can surrender and civilians don't get killed unnecessarily. If you have to do area attacks, then regular explosives are the least of all evils.
>Also drone strikes and targeted missiles are obviously useful to minimize collateral damage/deaths.
The problem is this doesn't apply to islamic terrorists. They do not behave as rational enemies. They don't care that much about dying and will let all civilians die rather than sharing shelter. By killing them in a "humane" way you greatly extend the length of the conflict leading to even more civilian deaths.

>>33587107
>in US army less than a decade ago
>Thoroughly trained in the nature of chemical weapons and how to defend against them
>untrained civilians pretend to be subject matter experts because they watched an almost 60 year old propaganda film on youtube

Alright fampai don't forget to duck and cover when the reds start nuking your position

The real reason gas is banned is that it's not that effective. If they were actually effective, no one would've agreed to ban them. Look at incendiary weapons. Some pussies wanted to ban them, but the US never signed that convention because we like using them.

Whenever there's a gas attack, it's like 8 people dead, 40 people being treated for mild respiratory illness. Why anyone uses gas is beyond me.

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>Its a better way to deal with a belligerent populace

Look at me /k/ I'm a psychopath, no one is edgier than me! I will wear my edginess like a badge of honour. It is you who are lame for not being as murderous as I pretend to be on the Internet.

>>33578707
>Death by gas = 1 minute of confusion because body seizes followed by blackout
More like,
>Death by gas = 1 minute of coughing and snarling out of your throat in a burning suffocation that feels akin to pouring labs down your throat as you grasp at it, praying only for it to stop

Yep that's more humane

>>33587227

Well clearly since you were "in US army less than a decade ago" you're an expert on literally everything.
Protip: Going through the gas chamber in basic doesn't make you an expert on shit. Sarin isn't a persistent agent.

>>33578847
It doesn't matter if that's easy to do, it's what the guy proposed
This thread is retarded

>>33578843
>bullets/guns can be indiscriminate
Honestly kind of
Someone shooting some woman?-that's the soldier to blame, not the bullet.
But! If I shoot a jihadist, and it passes through him and hits that woman. That bullet is now indeterminate
It hit is intended target, and unfortunately more than that
But by design that's not the case, you don't go around expecting them to pass through to the person behind


But bombs, you know how big they are. When you see the kid around the corner you know you're going to hit
Totally up to the user then, so they're discriminate

>>33579108
That would be the same if I left a bunch of bombs out there.
It doesn't matter that they're chemical, they aren't even fucking active.
Buddy..

>>33579193
It's not /pol/ it's just butt hurt /sg/ fags who are pissed Assad got what was coming to him

>>33578777
Best post.

>>33579196
This is literally something someone under 18 would say..
Don't tell your mom you're on here buddy, she might call the cops.
t. 20 year old burger that hasn't said that faggy Shit in over half a decade

>>33586127
Beat me to it.

>>33587504

>Hurr
>durr
>Lololol u did this thing I think you must think you're an expert because I remember soldiers do this thing and that must be why you think you know more than my opinions gathered from 60 year old films
>arrogant soldiers think they're experts on everything...pshhh I bet they think their "Training" is somehow better than my youtube videos and wikipedia


>This is the typical gasfag

>>33587676

I'm a veteran too dumbass, Sarin still isn't a persistent agent. Cry some more.

>>33587701
>pretending to be a veteran just so he can keep sperging about chemical weapons
>Will probably blind himself attempting to make mustard gas in mom's attic
>Gasfags

>>33583555
>Turks
>freedom
Pick one and only one. Their rebels are also parasites who even threatened to harm our boys aiding the Kurds

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>>33578628

>>33578784
>Bombs only kill the thing you drop them on
>For training purposes, the MINIMUM SAFE DISTANCE for a Mk-82 bomb (all versions) is 1200 meters / 3936 feet.

Kolokol-1? Anyone? Seriously, sleeping gas and such should be ok, the reported deaths at russia were mostly from people drowning in their own puke, or choking on their tongues.
Aside from these problems, they appear to be ok for combat use.

>>33578628
>hemorrhaging out of all of your orifices while you convulse to death over several minutes is humane

>>33587113
Anon, its literally spelt that way

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>>33584441
>this is what gassing victims actually believe

>>33587475
And if you get less than the full dose it's 15 mins puking your lungs out and gasping for air. And even if you don't die you will be permanently damaged.

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somebody say gas?

>>33587153
>Dead children
>Who cares?
Fucking edgelords.

>>33587209
>Implying that by using horrific methods you don't just recruit more people for them

Gay bombs

Make love not war

>>33578707
Cyanide is immensely painful and can take up to 3 minutes it's not like the movies where they drop dead with no pain and being shot has a good chance of killing the nerve endings and you won't feel it at all.

>>33578628

>>having Putin's chode this far down your throat.

Humane arguments aside, here's why.
>drop gas
>kills shit
>wind shifts
>kills shit you don't want killed
>possibly kills civilians
>possibly kills your own troops
>seeps into soil
>area is now cancerland

vs bomb
>drop bomb
>lands on target
>explodes
>that's the end of that
or
>miss
>kill shit you don't want killed
>is gone now, won't affect the area anymore
or
>fail to detonate
>accidentally kill something
>again, gone forever now, no lasting effects

>>33578628
Gas has never been humane. It was used for the horror effect. Someone wants to perpetuate the Syrian conflict until they gain control of the oil and oil pipeline land.

>>33588113
It's Behelit.

>>33586385
>Precision Guided Munitions refers to missiles

holy shit you are dumb

>>33590281
WWI was when the industrial revolution really hit warfare, and was when "could we" never met up with "should we" until afterwards.

Chemical weapons was one of those things that were suddenly easy to do, but nobody stopped to think about how fucked it could be until it was too late.

>>33578799
Damn putin is a manlet.

>>33587153
EDGY AS FUCK.

Puta merda, que gordo maldito da porra.

>>33587616
Its /pol/.

>>33592002
Why do you think he stages all those photo ops that make him look many and awesome?

>>33592115
>many
Manly

>>33578777
ahahahaha
This is a good post

>>33578628
When I was a little kid, I had a rubber bouncy ball that looked just like those green gas things in that movie.

>>33586704
Dumb as fuck.

>War is about kill everybody for fun

Are you a real " human bean''?

>>33583555
>>33583445

I want to love them, but I can't trust them

I feel like the Kurds now are what the Mujahideen were in the 80's:

>Oh, man, fuck those Soviet bastards! This Osama guy is pretty cool, he gave up a construction fortune to fight off those damn commies!
>There's actual underdog /k/ommando bros in Afghanistan fighting Russians and Commies for freedom

You see what I'm getting at here?

I really want to like the Kurds, but I feel like if we help them out they will just be a problem in the future

There should just be a god damned conference between the US and Russia where we agree to use all of our nerve agent stockpiles to completely remove the Middle East of its human population, and we can go in and split the oil and resources evenly

>oh, to live in a perfect world...

>>33592314
Nah, the Mujahadeen were just a politically expedient "fuck the Soviets" tool that backfired on us.

>>33584304
Yup. 170 of 50 suspects KIA.

Fe

>>33592407
The last sentence was supposed to be:

*Fentanyl is a hell of a drug


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow_theater_hostage_crisis#Chemical_attack

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>>33589351
Bombs cost a lot of money. Fuck >muh PR. This is the United States. We ARE "the international community." You stupid retards have swallowed your own propaganda. We have a bigger military budget than the rest of the world combined, but you're still worried about PR?

Th real question is why not use a sleeping gas? Or laughing gas?

>Drops sleeping agent
>Everyone goes night night
>Spec ops moves in fast
>Arrests and confiscates weapons
>Civies wake up
>All combatants are gone
>Shooting has stopped
I'm sure it would be tough, dosage and all, but there must be something that can do the trick. A few people not waking up is better than an entire city leveled or people shot everywhere.

>>33584268
It might not be humane, but the safety margin is insane as far as the LD 50. Just a bit more dangerous than pot.

Gás can make weak nations much stronger and is far easier to produce them nukes, so great powers forbide them.

even if military gas attacks killed completely humanely, you're missing the point of war.

the goal of a war is to completely disable the enemy's ability to fight. not completely kill every single member of your enemy.

even in history, things like artillery and pikes weren't meant to massacre the enemy, even if they had the potential to. they were major deterrents. but gas is only a deterrent until it's actually used, after which it becomes just what a weapon of war isn't supposed to be: a tool for massacres

>>33592314
Same. I keep hearing from multiple sources (personal) that they are really no good. All factions of the Kurds are just super extreme. They just are not Durka durka extremists.

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>>33578697
>>Implying you won't cough up your innards after being shot in the gut.

You fucking edgy pseudo intellectual smegma Lord.

There is an area of France bigger than the Chernobyl exclusion zone UNINHABITABLE because of chemical weapons used 100 fucking years ago. The effects are not short term.

Everyone who remembers it is now dead but chemical weapons are a fucking horror best left in the past. It's from the same war where we thought it was a sound tactic to send thousands of men charging across open fields into machine gun fire.

Your battlefield video game doesn't make you an expert on this. Fuck off.

>>33578777
this
people really need to start reading history

>>33578774
>what is wind

>>33579542
You know, when the great war ended, the whole world was terrified about how cruel the gas was, we are talking about people who lost limbs because of sharpnel, explosives and bullets. And yet, gas was the worst of them.

Fuck off man

>>33587153
that edge m8
seguro que no la pones nunca virgen de mierda

>>33593276
You probably would end up killing all the children and babies because of overdose, that is why they ask for your weight before giving you sleeping gas to do surgeries.

>>33592002
>Damn putin is a manlet.
He is but to be fair, Assad is also really, really tall.

>>33578628
Syrian rebels pls go and stay go.

>>33592314
>patchwork of groups who cling to bizarre dogma which mixes conservative traditionalism with hardcore communism and/or anarchism
>forming their own nation state
>who we only like because they shoot arabs and put their women on the frontline
>oh and btw female genital mutilation rate is ~100%, so it's not like they're super women-friendly actually
Damn right we should be cautious

>>33578628
THAT IS THE WORST MOVIE EVER MADE

>>33595602
Yeah? Well fuuuUuuUuuuUUuuUUUuuuuUUuuUUuuuuck YOU

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>OP's fw

>>33578707
Of course, shitting all over yourself, pissing your pants, suffocating, and quite literally feeling the life ebb out of you for a few minutes sounds humane.

>>33579321
He pretty much WAS allowed to gas them from the beginning, or did you forget about Obummer's red line already? That's why there were so many refugees - when they saw that Assad basically had free reign to do as he pleased they noped the fuck out of that civil war.

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>>33588953
>Muslim "children"

Assad was right he just was too hesitant about the use of gas. Should have carpet bombed them.

>>33578628
>Why don't we use a weapon that was so horrific Hitler himself refused to use it due to personal experience with the stuff?

Poison gas isn't some precise, still cloud that kills everything within seconds and then fades away as if nothing happened. While it varies based on the agent, one consistant feature is that gasses tend to disperse unevenly and give people lower doses that leave them in various states of gruesomly and fucked up, if they don't get lucky enough to die within a day or two.

The ride isn't over then either. Some agents, like VX, will stick around on surfaces to ruin people's lives until it's properly cleaned up or degrades.

Using poison gasses is deliberately and indiscriminately torturing people, making anyone who uses it a monster.

>>33578628
Bio fag here, OP is retarded and/or trolling. Lemme break it down:
Sarin gas is an organophosphate nerve agent. Organophosphates are esters for phosphoric acid. In some ways they're good in that they serve as a building block for both DNA and RNA among certain cofactors. Now, one thing that was discovered was when you combined these groups with other chemicals (alcohols and halides), alter the molecular structure, or combine it with a different organophosphate group, you get either a gaseous or liquid solution that disrupts the nervous system. Sarin itself is made by combining the OP group with halides (salt producing elements e.g. chlorine, fluorine, etc. mixed with other elements to form compounds like say for example, hydrogen chloride) while including certain alcohols. The result is gases like Sarin, a chemical where when in contact with the skin or other entry routes begins by inhibiting an enzyme responsible for muscular and nerve cell communication. In layman's terms, the stuff interrupts processes for your nerves and muscles, causing painful convulsions, paralysis, and death by asphyxiation. This is not a pleasant way to go, you are spazzing uncontrollably and unable to breathe. Not only that, but it's a potential carcinogen, and those who survive may have permanent nerve damage to boot. Given the varying concentration of the stuff dropped from planes you'll either be writhing and choking for several minutes and die, or feel funny and start undergoing bizarre symptoms for over several hours. That's just one way, another way is through blister agents that form puss filled growths like mustard gas that can take hours to die from by rapidly destroying tissue and even causing asphyxiation by having acid build in your lungs. I could go on, but some shit is better of banned in warfare because a bullet traveling at excessive speeds and causing great damage to vital organs or the spine is far a swifter and more localized means of lethal delivery.

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>>33587623
Gas has changed though, a lot less painful more like putting you under and then the light go out, rather than Mustard gas where you may not even die but lord does it cause pain.

I mean you could just lock someone in a room and tear gas them to death. Think about that shit. Pretty sure after long enough that will stop being non-lethal.

>>33596010
>Actually believes this
Anon, I'm sorry, but, you have extra chromosome.

>>33578707
During WW1 gas weapons were used extensively. Regions were so badly polluted that there's places that stuff doesn't grow at.

Worse, you'd get cases where there wasn't a strong enough exposure to kill somebody. Maybe a brief exposure before putting on their gas mask or maybe the cloud wasn't at lethal density. Maybe the gas was heavier than air and the man fell into a foxhole.

Regardless, the result was always bad. Strangling damage to the lung as well as crippling damage to all mucous membranes including the eyes and nose. Victims were cripples for life if they didn't spend days coughing to death as their lungs failed.

Bullet wounds and shrapnel either kill you in a day or so or let you live.

>>33578761
The problem is that gas is often less temporary than you think. Modern toxins like VX can remain stable for weeks or years.

More than that, modern gas masks make them ineffective against prepared forces. The real damage will be to civilians with no training or protection against chemical weapons.

>>33578877
Depends on the gas used. Might still be lethal in some spaces and could very well linger on on surfaces for months.

>>33583327
Wrong.
Assad's barrel bombs have 100% accuracy against hospitals.

>>33578892
Assuming ideal conditions, sure, 1 minute until death.

Unfortunately, gas tends to disperse so you'd get people who are under exposed and the gas merely destroys their lungs and eyes.

>>33578996
The detonations might deal with the explosives but they'd just release the poisons into the air. You might be able to burn the gases out but it's expensive and risky.

>>33580135
To be fair, fire bombing civilians was technically a war crime but it's all a bomber can hit in a night raid.

>>33578828
>remove sickle cell

>>33578743
What is evolution?
Bio weapons are the most dangerous kind of weapon because once used they can never be fully contained

>>33596926
And it is arguable that Dresden, as a major industrial center and rail crossroads site, was a strategic target.

>>33586704
Wait, do you think that humankind has only been using force to achieve political goals and acquire resources for 40 years? I just want to make sure I am understanding what you are saying correctly

>>33587749
I don't think the guy you're replying to is "the" gasfag. He is right though, sarin isn't particularly persistent.

>>33579049
>what was the 30 years war
>what was the spanish inquisition
>what was the conversion of the new world
>what was the african slave trade

I love modern Christians bitching about barbaric islam when they're own religion had a 36 year long syrian war 400 years ago.

>because chemical weapons are banned you cant use tear gas to attack
I can understand chlorine gas and other fatal gasses but why wasnt tear gas allowed an exemption?

>>33597636
400 years ago.

>>33579275
The reformers keep getting killed.

>>33578652
Hehe

>>33598723
Ironic shitposting is still shitposting.

/pol/ needs to git
/pol/ has needed to git for 2 years now.
Leave our board alone you fucking autists

>>33587153
Way too much edge

>>33578689

poor bunner

ITT: People responding to obvious bait

>>33578628
because thats a slippery fucking slope imbecile