Any mortar specialists here?

>>33568046
Yes mortar is a nice weapon

>>33568046
I'll dig into my Ukrainian folder. They are just about experts when it comes to this stuff.

>>33568090
Very insightful about the topic.

>>33568098
I Appreciate this, thanks.

>>33568046
The impact blast seems to be directed into the ground from Southwest, I'd wager.

it looks like(and this is tentive) it came from the north, as the crater is deeper towards the south
t.dude is just using guess work

>>33568046
I mean... it looks to me like it angled in from the North East, but the real mystery is why the warhead was filled with latex gloves.

>>33568110
Fuck my life.

I meant that it came from northeast, going southwest.

>>33568112
I was thinking the same. Would also appreciate the data on the range of 60-75mm mortars range.

>>33568110

Seconding it came from south-southwest, most of the fine debris is scattered towards the north-northeast.

t. also a random dude guessing

>>33568124
>I meant that it came from northeast, going southwest.
No fucking way, it would mean... oh shit.

>>33568124
>>33568121
Thanks for input guys. got any back up for your claims? I would like to compose some actual graphic.

>>33568127
the 60mm M224 had a max range of 3490m

>>33568124
This is what I was thinking at first glance, nice to see I might be right.

>>33568105
Hold your houses or go back to /pol/ I'm looking for it.

>>33568148
the jews?

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>>33568148
Just guesswork based on the predicted effects of force transfer

>>33568165
And the old 82mm ?

>>33568178
Pretty much.

>>33568211
the max range of the russian 82-PM-41 is
3,040 m

>>33568178
The artist formerly known as JFS formerly known as Nusra front formerly known as al Qaeda, aka HTS

>>33568153
What, as in graphic representations of craters done by mortars?

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>>33568138
Looked at actual info, retracting my guess.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/policy/army/fm/6-121/fm612_9.htm

Main axis method (pic related) tells us it came from north-northeast

>>33568238
Thanks, that helps a lot!
Just to clarify, SAA is 11kms away from the frontline.

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https://www.bellingcat.com/news/uk-and-europe/2015/02/17/origin-of-artillery-attacks/

>>33568255
this is the chemical attack, right?
i thought the sarin was in bombs?

>>33568259
This isn't relevant, it's for relatively flat angled shots from nearby guns or similar.

>>33568267
No bombs. Terro fags launched a mortar shell from 4-5 clicks away and called it a gas attack.

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>>33568259
Bellincat are degenerate cucks but they did one hell of a job in Donbas.

>>33568211
I don't know about modern max range of the 81 or 82, but in ww11 our 81 had a max of 3.3km

>>33568283
>>33568259
>>33568247
Hold on. Now I'm confused.

On one hand, the blast could've been directed into the ground from Northeast, but on the other hand, it could've come from southeast, and most of its blast pushed debris forward.

Does it change depending on the explosive type?

>>33568292
world war eleven?

>>33568301
if you mean what kind of explosive used (eg tnt,rdx ect) no.

I'd say it is more important to positively identify the type of the weapon than direction it came from. If it is a 82mm it does not really matter where it came from, no 82mm has 11km range.

>>33568313
Change shape maybe?

>>33568314
It was rumored earlier that it could've been 152mm artillery shell, pardon my ignorance on weapons, but the crater should've been much bigger than, no?

>>33568046
I think it came from above

>>33568320
a HEAT round(assuming the ground did not behave like ceramic) would leave a round, smaller hole

>>33568320
What about arc of projectile?

>>33568404
Arc seems to be pretty wide given the shape of the crater if it came from northeast. Something about ~30 degrees.

>>33568304
Fuck I've just jeopardized 3 separate timelines.

>>33568404
Yes, but that is a crater that was made by a projectile with a steep trajectory.
Compare other examples,
>>33568247
>>33568283
and contrast with flatter trajectories like
>>33568259

>>33568046
76 mm

>>33568432
i think as a rule of thumb, the more sloped the floor of trhe crater, the shallower the angle

>>33568459
Approx range?

>>33568499
cant find anything on 76mm moarter

>>33568046
It came from the North-East.

What's the context of this?

>>33568460
This works well enough most of the time, but the presence and shape of side sprays is probably an easier indicator.

>>33568528
WW 3 prevention.

>>33568540
Gas mortars?

>>33568536
side sprays?
please explain good sir

I guess I should have add video, silly me.

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_1fkKEEJ5E

>>33568555
I'm drunk and bad at words but see >>33568259
for a labeled graphic.

Side sprays only show up when the projectile impacts the ground at a sharp angle. Mortar impacts (and also OP pic) don't produce any.

>>33568605
but a shallower angle would mean it was firing from a longer distance, right?

>>33568638
Not necessarily, you can fire close to the ground from any range really, depending on obstacles in between, and the velocity of your ammunition.

>>33568638
Only to a point. Once you depress the elevation past a certain point you start losing range.

Guys i have a question from /pol.
How are supossed to detonate the chemical mortar? In the air, when hit ground, etc?

>>33568638
An angle shallow enough to produce side spray would mean you're using high velocity ammunition, direct firing and/or firing from a relatively nearby position. "Sharp" in >>33568605 was supposed to also mean "shallow", I dun goofed.

Also >>33568654 is kinda right, a steep angle doesn't mean diddly in itself.

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>>33568046
it's obviously just a rubber glove drop

stop hyping this shit

nothing to see here, move along

>>33568702
i assume it was a binary shell, which means two chemicals stored together which when relesed o impact combine to form the chemical weapon

>>33568046

Why is the crater covered in bunnies?

>>33568730
Because it's almost Easter.

>>33568148
Ground fire from the North of the location would indicate that it was rebels shelling a rebel location.
https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/fr/map/desyracuse-syria-civil-war-5-march-2017_131222#10/35.3538/36.5460
We're working in the Khan Sheikoun area; green is FSA controlled, red is govt. controlled areas.

>>33568775
>it was rebels shelling a rebel location.
Tell me something new

>>33568702

This guy >>33568720 got it right. Sarin is usually deployed by storing methyl phosphonyl difluoride and isopropyl alcohol separately in a single round together with a catalyst that speeds up their reaction and produced on impact after the containers burst and the contents mix.

>>33568801
What about chlorine gas? That's what it seems like it was now.

>>33568814
nope. the victems displayed SLUDGE syndrome, which points to organophosphate posining. aka nerve gas

>>33568799
Yea I was clearing up the mystery you carelessly left behind after your open-ended comment.

>>33568831
I was not the guy you replied to before.

>>33568826
But they was being washed with water before being handled, and sarin isn't water soluble.

>>33568814
Chlorine isn't usually used in mortar ammunition, we noticed this was a bad idea back in early WWI.
The problem is that it's not very lethal compared to the alternatives and disperses more quickly.

For reference, past chlorine attacks were usually carried out by loading a truck full of mortar shells and chlorine tanks, the explosion usually killing more people than the gas.

>>33568871
i dont quite understand what you mean? how would being washed with water prevent symptoms from developing?

>>33568880
It wouldn't. That's the point.

>>33568880
Not him, but I think he means the helpers would have fucking croaked after handling people who came into contact with sarin without proper decontamintion.

Which may or may not be true depending on the dosages involved, mind you. For all we know, the helpers might've gotten more minor cases of poisoning.

>>33568943
>>33568934

i see what you mean now

>>33568871
third world doctors. also might have used detergent, I didn't see vid yet.

the /pol/ was archived.
Can someone create a new one, I'm very bad making those general threads

>>33568934
sarin degrades in water due to the p-f bond

>>33568046
south

>>33569003
Here,

>>>/pol/120046509

>>33569016
the /pol/ thread is a shit storm

>>33569016
That's about the quality of discourse I've come to expect from /pol/.

>>33569065
Well, if you want to stay in here, go on. I can adjust. Anyone can create a nice graphic about this missle being fired from?

>>120047173 This is right though, it seems that the mortar shell indeed fell from rebel-held territory, since none <82 mortars have a range of more than 11kms and the directions make sense.

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>>33569087
Pictures compiled with evidences I need those!

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>>33569116
It's not like you didn't ask for it... Literally what was posted there, it makes sense nevetheless.

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GUYS IT CAME FROM A 45 DEGREE ANGLE

>>33569146
Max range whould've been on 40-42 degrees though.

>>33569167
then it came from in side its max range

>>33568332
If the idea is that it was a chemical warhead, no. Those only have small bursting charges.

>>33569146
>>33569167
The angle of that shot cannot be measured with sufficient precision from that image to say if it was 40 or 45, or somewhere in between.

>>33569194
not at all? any way we could get a semi accurate idea?

>>33569287
Only roughly. The error there is easily +/- 5 degrees.

>>33569332
thats a good start, not going to lie

>>33568046
nice try isis

>>33569366
Thanks jew. Learning from the best.

could we get help on the /pol/ thread? its not a shit storm any more

>>33569417
No fuck off.

Go suck left wing nuts.

>>33569420
good day to you to sir

>>33568046
It came in from the south. Somewhat far away.

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>>33569582
What led you to that conclusion? This Seems to indicate the opposite.

>>33569582
I'd like to ask what tells you this, assuming it is some sort of gas shell, from the OP picture alone I'd like to think it came from the north due to the steeper walls on the south side of the crater, the shallower side being indicative of the direction that the shell came from since the shell would penetrate into the ground somewhat before exploding.

>>33569732
We're not trying to do anything with the missiles, it's the gas attacks that they were launched in response for.

The crater images are the only reported evidence for the gas attacks, currently the narrative is that they were carried out by a plane, but on the ground footage would indicate that the gas was delivered via an artillery shell, if this is the case it very well could have been a dud launched from rebel held territories that fell short, we are simply trying to find the direction it was launched from to verify that.

>>33569689
Im not him and im no missile-ologist, but the OP is slightly oblong in nature, leaning to the northeast. Knowing a basic amount of explosive physics this would leave me to guess the round came from the southwest. Explosives like to focus their force up and away from a hard object, Perpendicularly in fact if laid right on top of it(how claymores work). the non symmetrical pattern would therefore imply that the round detonated at a slight angle most of but not entirely through a ballistic trajectory and originating from the opposite direct of the blast crater's lopsidedness.

but again im nowhere near an expert on this type of thing

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Guys I'm from /pol and i had this idea, at least i think that hit crater should be half and half and i've developed this theory but I'm not sure about shadows, maybe shadows confuse me.

>>33569855
Thanks for thought out response though. You're the first to mention southwest, so we should look into that too.

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>>33569940
You've got the red arrow backwards. The visible debris is the stuff that didn't have enough energy to be blown away from the impact site because the explosion was directed to the (relative to the image) 6 o'clock direction. I if you looked at the area from further away, you'd find a much larger dispersion of asphalt and shit in the direction that looks like there's nothing there.

That's also why the crater is deeper but ends abruptly towards the origin, because the shell came in at an angle, and the explosion was directed down and forward, digging out more material, abet at a shallower angle *away* from the impact point.

Think of it like throwing a rock at water. The deepest part is where it hits, but the largest wave is away from the point of origin.

>>33568046
about 343

>>33570651
Fuck. Not six o'clock. Four o'clock. I should not be realposting while drinking.

~off to shitposting now.

so how does any of this prove it didn't come from an aircraft?
can MiGs only fly in one direction?
you guys are fucking idiots, honestly.

>>33570707
>can MiGs only fly in one direction?
At a time without catastrophic failure, yes.

>>33570707
It was artillery you dunce. Try reading next time.

>>33568046
Just being a plebeian observing, it looks to me like the it came from the north-northwest and at a fairly steep angle, given how the crater is shaped

>>33570736

I haven't seen anyone actually explain why we're assuming it was artillery.

>>33568871
They're 3rd world rescue workers/crisis actors. They don't know how to properly deal with NBC attacks.

>>33568046

That's not a mortar

It's a bomb crater, and it's point of direct is S

>>33568871

Have you considered the dumbass hajis responding to this were poorly trained in NBC warfare?

At the start there were already reports of rescuers developing symptoms because lol nogloves

>>33570884
>t. CNN
Wrong.

>>33570736
>Try reading next time.
Reading what? The inconsistent ramblings of bedroom sleuths who cite supposition as fact?
I had to stop reading after the first few posts because it's actually fucking embarrassing.

>>33570894

No, that's what my EOD skillz are telling me

Bomb came in from the S/SW and with point detonating fuze; blast damage goes S/SW into the ground based on the impact velocity

It's not a mortar or artillery shell

t.EOD, .mil and now civil

>>33570917

I read it and I can confirm they just started off assuming it was a mortar without challenging that assumption.

>>33568121
possibly anti-personnel mines disguised

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>>33570925

2 seconds in paint showing a reasonable conclusion

Seriously how do we known it wasn't an aircraft

mortars fire HE rounds [1]

"The mortar has traditionally been used as a weapon to propel explosive mortar bombs in high-arcing ballistic trajectories. " [2]

That means when a mortar hits the ground it comes from a high angle and explodes. Probably at a 45 degree plus angle

Using my 165 IQ I concluded that you can not know the direction a mortar was fired from by looking at the crater because the explosion creates the crater not the impact of the bomb

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M252_mortar
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mortar_(weapon)

>>33570925

except why would a mortar have a directional charge? So it can direct the explosion into the ground? the bombs are like grenades, meant to spread shrapnel in all directions

>>33568046
Looks like bearing almost due south so fire came from the North.
I'm not a munitions expert or anything but if it impacted and blew I'd expect it to slightly penetrate and blow out the dirt behind it. If airburst then I don't know but that doesn't look like an airburst.

>>33571065
>Using my 165 IQ I concluded that you can not know the direction a mortar was fired from by looking at the crater because the explosion creates the crater not the impact of the bomb

>what is physics
While this is mostly autists using ms paint, making fairly precise calculations of the direction and distance a mortar was fired from has been a thing for decades. You really need to have access to the crater though, preferably more than one.

>>33570963
i also believe this theory, it is still a directed explosion and the tearing on the southern side would indicate most of the stress

>>33568046
I'm a forensic scientist, and while I don't have much expertise in explosives, I'd say the rocket was bearing 170 degrees at a 20-30 degree angle from the horizontal

>>33570917
D&C from shills. Keep at it, everyone. Verify the claims.
If we weren't onto something they wouldn't be here haranguing people. It's far more energy efficient to laugh and move on than it is to drop a few sentences to berate someone.
So why are we only seeing pictures from the road?
Where are the photos from the silo area?

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>>33568046
Radial stress fractures in the concrete are going to generally run in the direction of impact.

Ignore the orientation of the image, placement of the sign, and lighting effects and look at the direction of the fractures on the southern edge. This would indicate direction of travel between 160-180 degrees at a low angle below horizontal. How steep that angle would be, would require measurement of the depth of the crater.

>>33568178
When is it not?

>>33568046

Nice try. I drive through that pothole every day.

It's on the 105 West on the way into LA.

Those white things are used condoms. Their everywhere, and an important source of nutrition for the homeless.

The California ecosystem is kinda strange.

>>33571657

>D&C from shills

This isn't your fucking safe space faggot, you can't deflect criticism with buzzwords. Answer his question.

>>33571657
So, shitposting is just shitposting, except when there's a conspiracy afoot. Then it's da j00z.

Some guy from curacao said it wasn't a plane. So it wasn't a plane. Dumb shills.

>>33569689
>>33569710
From what I can see is that the plane within the crater is angled towards the south due to the angle of impact of the shell and shockwave. The angle is also somewhat steep indicating a low arc of fire.

the round came from the north

Do modern mortars still make that distinct whistling noise as they fly? What's the maximum range of a mortar?

>>33570083
He's not the first to mention it (that was me >>33568138), but he's also most likely wrong, sorry to say (see >>33568247
>>33568283)

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>>33574496
Is this image correct?

It must have come from the South West right?

I'm using >>33568247 as reference

>>33574508
I'm not going to even try and reconstruct that degree number in the fourth pic, but judging from the position of the (bent, mind you) shell that's stuck in the ground next to the disk, I'd assume the direction of origin is closer to 5 than 4 o'clock.

Apart from that, yes. This looks about right from what I can tell.

>>33574508
>>33574522

Wait no, you're nearly 180° off. The shell is probably tilted away from the direction of the mortar (if it was one, that is) because the rear kept going for a fraction of a second after the impact.

Goddamnit now I feel stupid.

Also, keep in mind that if this wasn't a mortar after all like supposed EOD dude said, all bets are off

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>>33574522
>>33574543
Are you sure? Made a new pic showing what I mean.

Deepest point being the point of impact

But yes I see what you mean that the bottom right pic on previous post is tilted away

How do we know it wasn't a motar?

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>>33574579
>>33574543
Fuck me wrong pic

This is the one I mean

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>>33574508
Update on the debris: Cross-referenced it with some known chemical delivery systems, it seems to be similar (but not identical) to pic related. Note especially the overall shell shape and precursor separator disk.

Judging only from what I can see, it does seem to be a binary chemical weapon canister. If it really is an artillery shell, it was fired from a gun, not a mortar, WELL below maximum range. Alternatively, it may just be a bomb instead.

Either way, it hit the ground at a steep angle coming from north-northeast.

>>33574584
Look at the main axis method picture again. Counterintuitive as it may be, the *flattest* side of the crater points towards the direction it came from. I'm just a random internet autist with no relevant real world experience, but I'm almost positive we're looking at something that hit the ground from the northeast.

We don't actually know if it was or wasn't a mortar, but >>33574589 makes me think it was an artillery gun or a plane.

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>>33574614
>Look at the main axis method picture again. Counterintuitive as it may be, the *flattest* side of the crater points towards the direction it came from.

Fuck me, I see it now thanks.

Wouldn't that mean pic related is NOT tilted?

Also an SU-22 isn't capable of dropping 152 mm artillery rounds

>>33574629
>pic related is NOT tilted?
I don't quite understand what you mean. The direction in that pic should be 10 or 11 o'clock, not 4, but the angle marker isn't really useful at all. All we know is that it was a fairly steep angle.

>an SU-22 isn't capable of dropping 152 mm artillery rounds
I realize that, but there's always the possibility that the distorted shell is actually a bomb shell and was just loaded with a canister similar to the aluminum one in >>33574589

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>>33574657
Am I understand this correctly?

As in the main axis method, the "flattest" side of the crater is where the hit is from? This makes sense as the splash side occurs due to kinetic energy in that direction.

But why does the Main Axis Method state TO MOTAR on the splash side opposite of the flattest side?

>>33574690
But anon, the splash side *is* the flattest side. I meant "flat" as in "not a steep cut into the ground",*not as in "has little debris or jagged edges".

Most of the blast energy in the direction away from the mortar is directed into the ground or somewhat straight up, leading to a rather clean, steep slope in that direction.

>>33574657
>that the distorted shell is actually a bomb shell and was just loaded with a canister similar to the aluminum one in
Cluster container is just a lightweight freefall thingie made out of aluminum or steel. It wont make a crater. Also, they do not contain explosives, since they do not spread CW being on the ground, they deploy immediately after leaving the cluster container. So if it was an aviation container we should see no significant damage on the pavement and container itself deformed, but more or less intact and identifiable.

>>33574718
Alright sorry, I'm finally on the same page as you.

I thought that when you said 180 degree off in >>33574543 you mean't that it originated from North East, so I got confused.

I get what you're saying now. The angle of impact drawing is wrong because the residue got tilted 180 degree which reinforces the fact that it came from South West.

Thanks for the patience.

>>33574744
Found this on a FEMA goverment site:

>The chemical agents are stored in three basic configurations:

>(1) projectiles, cartridges, mines, and rockets containing propellant and/or
explosive components;

>(2) aircraft-delivered munitions that do not contain explosive components;

>and (3) steel one-ton containers. Most of the
stockpile (61%) is in this third form.

Can the crater exclude the non-explosive aircraft component?

Wouldn't kinetic energy from an aircraft be able to cause the crater or is the impact too steep for that?

>>33574744
Huh. Seems like it was a 152mm or similar after all then.
That puts us at a maximum range just under 11 miles, with the shot coming from a much shorter distance.

>>33574748
I did mean it originated northeast, that's where the more jagged, shallow side of the crater is from what I can tell.
Words are hard.

>>33574762
It cant be a container for reasons i mentioned, but it can be a standalone freefall bomb. But if it is a bomb then we should be able to see parts of the bomb, like fins, they stay intact even on high explosive bombs. I do not see a bomb here, looks like artillery crater to me. Artillery shells both have energy to cause significant damage and (probably?) contain some sort of charge to spread the stuff.

>>33574790
>(probably?)
Can confirm all models I know of do contain a small charge, mostly to make sure the container is thoroughly ruptured.

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>>33574776
Can you draw red arrows on where the impact is from mate?

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>>33574827
Here. This is assuming the location and carnal directions on the left pic are correct. Also, this is a guess based on 2D pics, not an exact measurement.

>>33574853
Thanks mate

Left pic is accurate

fuck me this is still up 12 hours later

>>33574892
what are you talking about

/k/ isn't exactly a board that moves like /pol/ or /v/. We get a fair amount of traffic here, but it's not uncommon for a thread to last a day or two.

>>33574917
thats true. is just with the fact /pol/ is coming over to this thread a lot, i thought i would go faster

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>>33574776

Circle is showing 16 kilometers. Could you mark direction on this?

Could someone archive this? Holy shit

>>33575227
You need to widen the circle. Simply changing angle to 38 degrees, instead of 45degrees, gets you to 17.8 km. Over pressurizing and changing the angle gets you to 22km easy.

Remember with drag, 45 degrees is not the optimal launch angle.

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>>33575227
Direction? I assume you mean the position of the gun?
If so, potato related.
It's impossible to say more exactly, really, and even that guess is pushing it.

>>33575314
Not him, but the angle was most likely steeper, not flatter, than 45°. I doubt the gun was shooting anywhere near max range.

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>>33575286
Don't worry, weaponized autism team of /sg/ is on it.

>>33568121
Those are clearly dead babies, killed by a chemical attack from Assad

>>33575335
I think they circled the wrong shell component, the disk looks to be part of the aluminum canister that contains the actual chemical weapon from the shape and size of it.

Isn't the SAA known to drop nonstandard aerial munitions? Have we considered that?

>>33575335
Correction; there would be a crater with a free fall non exploding bomb.

Throwing a hunk of metal at the ground near mach tends to leave a dent.

>>33575358
>>33575372
Got it.
>>33575369
If by nonstandard you mean ammonium nitrate barrels than yes, but not 152mm artillery shells.

>>33575369
This guy has a point, actually. Not every oddly shaped container has chemical weapons in it - they used to lob around propane tanks and other weird shit too.

>>33575335
who the hell are /sg/?

>>33575402
Telegram, Discord, Twitter, Wordpress, /pol/sg/, /pol/ssh/
We media empire nao:
>https://syriagenerals.wordpress.com/

>>33575402
/pol/s syria thread, seen posts about them geolocating isis training camps and sending the coordinates to some guy, those camps ended up getting bombed
>/sg/ airstrikes

>>33575426
yes of course!
is there a discord for this?

>>33575436
There is, but I don't have a link alas.

>>33575387

I thought someone said a couple threads back the FSA didn't have 152mm guns.

Could we do an accounting of the possible artillery assets on either side which could deliver it at that range, and maybe images of what a Syrian aerial chemical bomb looks like for comparison?

>>33568046
>Take a look at pic rel. From which direction the shell was fired? North is set properly, we checked that.


Its not a regular mortar impact mortar. It was airdropped from the look of it.

>>33575463
prehaps they dont have 152mm arty. is it possible they rigged somthing to fire the shell?

>>33575335

Id it's not a mortar, we should get an FM image for regular artillery craters instead.

>>33575463
They have all kinds of cannons/artillery, see this video for example:
>https://twitter.com/qalaatalmudiq/status/850675228518879232
It's from today.

>>33575475
I'm sure you could African engineer something together

Anyone have proof that this wasn't dropped from a plane?

>>33575335
If it was a mortar you would probably get the tail fin.

Also the Syrian air force is make shift and make their own bombs often out of necessity. Explosives in a bomb or air launched rocket can not be ruled out.

Also that steel tube is not from a 152mm shell or a 122mm.

Looks more like a rocket.

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>>33575778
Forgot pic. More times than not the tail fin of a mortar is left. Especially if it's a smaller caliber.

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>>33575778
Alright, we've managed to get it in better resolution.
So you suggest delete that part about the 152 shell and focus on finding out if it was a rocket or something dropped from the aircraft?

>>33568046

Does anyone know what the video title says? I can transliterate that somewhat, but not yet translate. Could give us a clue as to the origin.

t-k-dh-y-b-an l-l-r-u-a-y-a(t) .. hadha (this) h-u
m-h-m-l a-l-a-s-l-h-a(t) a-l-k-y-m-y-a-y-y-a(t) a-l-m-zh 'a-w/u-m fi (in) kh-a-n sh-y-kh-u-n

Issue with Arabic is that without knowing the diacritics, you can't pronounce the word (no vocals written down except for long A, U and Y), so learning words by reading or translating just from text is a pain in the ass.

>>33575861
تكذيباً الرواية الروسية .. هذا هو معامل الأسلحة الكيميائية المزعوم في خان شيخون (tkdhybaan alrrawayat alrrusia .. hadha hu meaml al'aslihat alkimiayiyat almazeum fi khan shaykhun) means:
This is the alleged chemical weapons plant in Khan Sheikhun

>>33575879

Thanks bro. Sadly no real clue there either.

>>33575463
>>33575475
the FSA has grade launchers and dozens of captured T-72s, i watched a video of them firing some artillery gun a couple days ago. Pretty sure they have 152mm guns in their captured inventory somewhere

>>33577361
Grad* launchers.

>>33575879
>>33575861
The video is posted by Rebels, caption reads this is the chemical attack, something about Russia lying.

>>33568197
>>33568247
seems right that it came from the North East (Up on the picture)

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3MB, 1920x1080px

>>33568046
Using the drone shadow, and depending on the time of day I would say more from the Northwest or Southeast.

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>>33577501
4th April looked like this there.

>>33577588
Can't be sure unless you knew what time the footage was taken. From the looks of it I would guess between 10:00am to 3:00pm.

I'm not sure what to believe about the direction of debris in terms of pointing. That's why I named opposite directions.

>>33577678
Yeah, but it gives completely different results.
If it was indeed mortar/artillery south-east means Syrian Arab Army.
If it was north-west than shelling themselves?
If it was an air sortie, it could've come from any direction, that's why I think getting to know what kind of projectile it was is crucial.

>>33577701
Popular theory seems to be a mortar. Maybe someone thought they were firing HE, instead fired a chemical round which has a different trajectory than HE causing the shell to land short.

>>33577739

Mortar would leave tailfins. We can't just base our analysis on a combination of mortar and 152mm characteristics, it has to be either or.

Right now we have nothing conclusive if we can't establish exactly what the projectile was.

>>33577848
I never said it was a 152, I doubt it was any kind of heavy artillery shell because the crater is tiny.

>>33569855
>
and youre wrong if you look at any of the diagrams posted in the thread idiot

>>33574508
not at all read the thread diagrams

can anyone post the OP video¿

>>33578178
It's here, lazy guy: >>33568575
All you had to do was type: Ctrl+F, embed