Shayrat Airbase Attack Analysis Thread

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>>33565200

>>33565200
>pound a bunch of sand in one-off attack against a shitty remote airbase 100% irrelevant to anything other than Assad's retarded revenge bombing of civilians in rebel areas
>Limousine liberals and Neo-Con retards laud you as a hero
>Russia pretends to get mad for a week, then back to business as usual
/thread

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>>33565316
Any one know what those lines are for?

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>>33565316

>>33565267
wait, 2/3 are still ok?

>>33565237
I'm still on the fence on this one, but is Assad more or less likely to continue using Sarin gas on civilian areas now?

(Yes, I get that the 70 people killed by the gas are a drop in the bucket at this point,, but media coverage, etc.)

>>33565387
One was wiped out and the other three seem to have been penetrated. I don't think that anything that was there is going to fly.

>>33565387
Cement, yes. What's inside? No idea.

>>33565408
I doubt Assad is in any control of what is used as weapons by his army at this point. And i highly doubt he or any pro-assad forces are responsible for that gas attack. This is really stupid, pointless and pretty much is an act of shooting yourself in the leg.

I imagined there would have been more damage to the air strips themselves

>>33565415
Oh I actually didn't see the penetration on them.
Anyway, even a close hit would stop planes from flying, I'm surprised the shelters are not flattened

>>33565387
2 or 3 aircraft survived, all others are destroyed or fled before the attack.

>>33565408
>Assad more or less likely to continue using Sarin gas on civilian areas now?
What the fuck do you think?

Assad probably didn't even order the attack, it makes zero sense from a military or diplomatic perspective when he is already winning bigtime. Probably not a false flag (see the retarded explanation given by it) but a rogue decision by some retarded warlord (one of many who control the fragmented "SAA") or asshurt SyAAF commander.

>>33565408
I still think this was some SAA officer looking for promotion acting on his own. That's why US bombed the place. To send a clear message to Assad to keep tight control over his CW. To make sure they don't end up in the hands of any of the numerous anti US groups fighting for Assad.

>>33565450
*explanation given by Syria & Russia
>hurr Nusra imported Sarin into the country just to false flag us

>>33565457
>looking for promotion
>hurr let's do the one thing in the world that will get my boss fucking bombed by everybody
Why is it so hard for you fags to understand the concept of a motive?

>>33565457
>To make sure they don't end up in the hands of any of the numerous anti US groups fighting for Assad.
Ghanima looting is all over the place for 6 years already, m8. Assad had plenty of chems before the war spread all over the country, now they can be anywhere in Syria, even in the hands of people who literally have no way to tell a high explosive shell from a chemical shell.

>>33565462
*"Sarin-like" substance

>>33565436
Why? Maybe they were testing the resolve of the new WH. After they got a signal that Assad could stay maybe they wanted to check if it was a blank check to finish this quickly. Remember that Saddam asked US about their position on Kuwait and possible solution to Iraq-Kuwait dispute. US said they had no position. Saddam invaded and than US intervened when Saudis got spooked.

>>33565450
The "retarded warlords" have no air force under their command.
Asshurt SyAAF commander don't get promotions for ruining diplomatic relations.

>>33565462
>Nusra imported Sarin into the country just to false flag us
yes?
>hurr Germany gave Lenin free passage just to start a revolution

>>33565482
>in the hands of people who literally have no way to tell a high explosive shell from a chemical shell.
How likely is it that this is what happened? A mistake?
You'd think Assad would just admit that then and execute the shit out of some techie, but that would also admit he has no control over a bunch of missing nerve agents

>>33565482
I think there was one base, 111 regiment or something that had CW or was connected to CW that rebels captured early on. But compare that to the shit Hezbollah got from SAA. You know Israel would flip if Hezbollah was given CW by some SAA commander.

>>33565493
Maybe some SyAAF fag got mad because his son got killed in the Hama offensive or something. Who knows?

>the US did the Sarin attack
just fuck off
aid to the rebels ended in January weeks before Trump was inaugurated

>>33565450
How much control does Assad have left then? Either he's about to come down on some asshole like a thunderbolt for costing him a facility and planes in exchange for 70 dead civilians or...

He's no longer the strongest guy and we should start negotiating with whoever is.

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>>33565492
>Why? Maybe they were testing the resolve of the new WH.
>Syria
>something new
Ahem.
>After they got a signal that Assad could stay maybe they wanted to check if it was a blank check to finish this quickly.
Too complex. Also they would have used it in a more problematic place, Idlib is hardly the focal point right now. And he knew perfectly well how it will end.

>>33565493
It was clearly an artillery shell, there are claims it is of Iraqi origin.

>>33565525
>the US did the Sarin attack
I never said that. The terrorists have enough another backers who are retarded enough to give them chemical weapons for false flags or even plain misuse

>>33565462

The White Helmets propagandists corrected themselves after the Sarin claim was debunked so now they're calling it some organophosphate cocktail.

Bullshit alarms should be going off for everyone with 2 brain cells.

>>33565477
>people protesting corruption
>hurr let's have the army open fire
No one can claim SAA is full of smart people. Could be revenge, could be wanting to scare the people. Could be testing the limits due to recent change in western speech.

>>33565530
There is no strongest guy.

None of the factions are capable of controlling the country.

>>33565540
>Nerve agents are commonplace and easily acquired by the likes of Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Qatar!
lol what.

>>33565408
I don't think he did it. The SAA just got out of a clusterfuck of a battle which was Aleppo and they've had more than enough opportunities to use them in that battle, and they didn't. Why would he do it now?

>>33565497
It is more likely a mistake than Assad willingly shooting himself in the head.

>>33565437
Why? A tomahawk can make a nice crater in the pavement but unskilled labor is dirt cheap. Fixing a runway is just shovels and a concrete mixer. Damaging an aircraft or fuel truck requires parts and skilled labor to get operational again.

>>33565539
They didn't know how it would end. If I asked you two days ago what would happen if there was another use of CW in Syria by Assad what would you have said? Be serious, no one knew how Trump would react. I still remember all the "US can't do shit with Russia there", here on k, pol and r/scw.

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>>33565563
>He really believes that the Syrian and Iraqi stockpiles are destroyed and not scattered through the whole middle east

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>>33565437
Runways are easy to fix. Hangars and planes are not.

>>33565592
>Nerve agents are commonplace and can be found in any bazaar!
Stop.

>>33565602
Stop being retarded

>>33565592
Iraqi stockpiles would be older than most guys here. Shit would be shit it was fucking steel let alone chemicals. Or what you think some Achmed had a CW storage facility in his fucking basement. And Syrian shit would also be 4-5 years old.

>>33565572
To reenforce to rebel civie populations that the US is not coming to help them, and that they need to drop their shit and get in line.

Or that's the prevailing theory anyway. Shit's been fucked so long over there, who knows. I can't even look at pictures anymore because I remember what Damascus looked like back in the early 2000s.

>>33565576
Depends on the size of the crater. Damaging an aircraft is best case scenario, but this does not work when you tell your enemy about your attack, all functional aircraft most likely escaped. Bringing a new fuel tank and new fuel trucks is a problem but not a big deal.

>>33565587
They knew. Exactly the same way as previous, a massive international chimpout, that was pretty scary, i bet. Another chimpout even without a cruise missile attack is simply not worth it, the attack killed, like, 50 people. He could drop conventional bombs at them with same effect but with no consequences whatsoever. There is exactly zero point for him to use chems. Ever. And he is winning right now anyway.

>>33565625
Not really. Binary gas is pretty stable and can be stored for decades without much trouble.

>>33565200
You can find the before pictures on Google maps btw

>>33565200
Get ready to get of your transgender asses, you are going to war faggots. Hahahaha good luck ;^)

Wow, I'm pretty impress by the precision. They were quite accurate with minimal collateral damage.

>>33565633
Excluding US what has anyone done is response? Nothing. Had Trump stayed out of this, a realistic possibility due to his rhetoric it would be a clear signal that SAA could use its CW to move against rebels.

It's interesting to see how this will play out. This is obviously a psy op

>>33565685
Once again: chimpout alone is not worth 50 people dying. A mistake or intentional use to make Assad look bad is far more likely.

>>33565650
You really don't want US conscripts with automatic rifles on your land, anon. Trust me on this.

It would certainly alter perception of foreign policy though.

>>33565746
I don't. Too bad the service won't take me because I'm a "criminal" I feel i could be a valuable asset, as I know how stupid Americans are.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/850401622970728448
Airfield is still functional.

>>33565781
Drug charges?

>>33565811
If you can't help me, I'm not going to give you any info. Sorry cheif.

>>33565808
Ofc it is, the runway was not damaged, there is no indication of massive fuel storage hits, and, according to photos, 2 or 3 Su-22 survived.

>>33565825
Not a lawyer, so fair enough.

>>33565746
>US conscripts
uh

>>33565808
The Runways weren't targeted

23 or 59?

>>33565866
40 something different targets were hit. Additionally certain targets may have been hit twice for added effect.

>>33565839
Just saying, if the opportunity arose to join a "secret" paramilitary organization, I would probably do it. Haha. I think alot of good soldiers can't get in, and are being replaced with idiots.

>>33565408
>Assad more or less likely to continue using Sarin gas on civilian areas now?
We don't even know what exactly happened. Why would he put himself in such a compromising situation by using gas, even though he already got shat on for this kind of stuff before?

>>33565842
I assumed he meant the draft was coming back.

>inB4 ass, you, me

>>33565919
Because he got no choice ?

Syrian army on the ground is now a ramshackle mess of regulars, paramilitaries and mercenaries with weak to no central command.
Its equipment is outdated and ill-maintained.
They rely on Russia for anything other than holding the line and Putin's priorities aren't the same as Assad's priorities.

If Assad does use it, he get a slap from the Free World but it can crack a few rebel groups.
If Assad doesn't use it, he doesn't win any political credit but his forces get a kick from every rebels around.

>>33565237
t. someone who is clueless

>>33565945

Question for anyone in the military: Do any of you actually remember what half of these fucking acronyms mean, and if so, how long does it take to learn them all?

>>33565827
>indication of massive fuel storage hits
Yes there is.

>>33566000
>If Assad does use it, he get a slap from the Free World but it can crack a few rebel groups.
There is literally no difference between a CW artillery shell and a 500kg bomb. Actually bomb is more reliable.
>If Assad doesn't use it, he doesn't win any political credit but his forces get a kick from every rebels around.
Still no reason to use CW.

>>33566044
No there isnt. There must be several massive fucking fires from underground storage with tons and tons of fuel. I see none and a couple of rather small unprotected tanks being destroyed. This is a big airfield. It is supposed to have massive fuel storage.

>>33566053
>There is literally no difference between a CW artillery shell and a 500kg bomb. Actually bomb is more reliable.
CW can cower the populace.

The psychological fear of the CW vs a conventional weapon is not even comparable.

>>33566075
>CW can cower the populace.
Not after 7 years of war. Now it will can only produce more hate.

>>33566085
> it will can
Fuck, i am drunk. Sorry.

>>33566000
>Because he got no choice ?
He already won. There's no need to rush for him. He has russian support if he ever need to bomb something somewhere. He doesn't need this kind of inane shit.

>>33566067
>No there isnt
Yes there is.
I know you don't want to believe it, but there is. Some of the fuel storage facilities did survive, but others were hit.

This is going to be just like this morning. All you moron slavs are going to claim that only 23 targets were hit, and that the rest crashed or were shot down.
Then evidence come out that was wrong, and now you are claiming that, well maybe all the missiles did hit targets, none of the targets were important.

It would be funny if it wasn't so pathetic. Well maybe it is still a little funny to watch.

When the condition of the fuel facilities becomes common knowledge what will you run too then?
Can't wait to be honest.

>>33566085
Assad seems to have a different opinion than you.


>i am drunk
that explains your lack of critical thinking.

>>33566108
What is winning though let's be real. Having the thorn in your side of endless insurgency doesn't feel like winning. The country is arguably fucked for decades. It'll take them decades to reach pre-war economic levels.

As long as Assad or his buddies are in power its guaranteed resentment and endless insurgency.

>>33566116
Show me the evidence of massive fire then. It must be still burning.

>>33566121
>Assad seems to have a different opinion than you.
Does he? Do you have specific evidence that he used CW?
>that explains your lack of critical thinking.
Its you who should be concerned with critical thinking, CW attacks are clearly much more beneficial for rebels than for Assad.

>>33566108
>There's no need to rush for him.
How cheap do you think war is? You honestly think that he want's to take his fucking time, and wear down more equipment, lose more trained soldiers, test more of the West's patience?

You honestly think that if offered a way to end the war sooner with some risk of a backlash he wouldn't want to end it sooner?

Face it. They made a political calculation that this chemical weapons attack would be ignored like the dozens of suspected chemical weapons attacks since 2012.
That calculation turned out to be wrong.

Why does it seem impossible for you to think that countries and leaders sometimes make mistakes?

>>33566108
>He's already won.

Specious claims that even he has heard before. He'll believe it when he has a victory parade in Aleppo.

>>33566139
>What is winning though let's be real.
The winning is that he doesn't have any pressure anymore. He can just slowly and surely take back as much land as he can.
Definitely no point in using chem weapons near civilians.

>>33566146
>Show me the evidence of massive fire then. It must be still burning.


WHERE ARE THE PROOFS?

>>33566146
>Show me the evidence of massive fire then.
I saw it in the Russian drone footage.

>It must be still burning.
No it doesn't. Depends on how large the opening was in the tank and how much fuel was in it.
You are making the assumption that it was full. Considering that they had an hours notice, I would suspect that a lot of the fuel was used to get stationed air craft out of the airbase.

Even an empty storage facility is useless if its been ruptured by a bomb.

>>33566146
>Do you have specific evidence that he used CW?
I have the radar track.
>CW attacks are clearly much more beneficial for rebels than for Assad.
Assad seems to have a different opinion than a drunk guy on 4chan.

>>33566158
>The winning is that he doesn't have any pressure anymore

huh? what I'm telling you is there will be -endless- pressure. And time benefits the rebels more so than it does Assad. He's already scrapping the bottom of the barrel manpower wise.

Like the latest "5th corps" created in part and stocked by Russia, you see their inauguration photos and its like pictures of the volksturm.

>>33566183
>I have the radar track.
Radar track of what?

>>33566191
http://abcnews.go.com/International/us-releases-flight-path-plane-syria-chemical-attack/story?id=46651125

The aircraft that delivered the chemical weapons.

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>>33566193
Well, you'd probably be surprised to find out that the CW attack was carried out with an artillery shell.

>>33566219
allegedly. Could those theoretically be dropped via plane? I know its not standard, but the SyAFF is all DIY at this point.

>>33566243
Thats strawman and you know it. Assad has plenty of bombs.

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>using $100,000,000 of tomahawks instead of a single bombing run

W T F

>>33566015
Yeah it means fuck off vatnik!

>>33566255
Not even trying to strawman just genuinely asking. And clearly he doesn't have tons of fresh bombs available if he's been making and employing DIY bombs dropped from helicopters.

>>33566219
>find out that the CW attack was carried out with an artillery shell.
No.
Ive seen all kinds of jury rigged weapons in Syria.

>>33566259

retard

>>33566266
>Not even trying to strawman just genuinely asking.
Anything can be theoretically be dropped from anything, even from a secret space shuttle in orbit. Does not mean anyone would be dumb enough to try and DIY an artillery shell to an airplane while having shittons of perfectly functional aviation bombs directly from Mother Russia.
>And clearly he doesn't have tons of fresh bombs available if he's been making and employing DIY bombs dropped from helicopters.
Helicopters is the key word here. He never used DIY ordnance from airplanes.

>>33566149
>dozens of suspected chemical weapons attacks since 2012.
OK

>>33566295
>Helicopters is the key word here. He never used DIY ordnance from airplanes.

not sure of this? At least I'm not. How are you sure?
And who's to say it wasn't a helicopter. Though I guess the US is specifically claiming planes(?).

>>33566296
There's been sporadic chlorine attacks in Idlib for a while now. Seems like every now and again its a "fuck you" addition to a bombing run on a rebel town they seemingly hate. And its not some conspiracy like they are faking it, chlorine causalities are relatively easy to identity, so someone is hitting them with chemicals. I really believe this is just another DIY chlorine attack construed as Sarin, I don't think it's Sarin.

>>33566296
Is 63 what you would call 'dozens?'

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use_of_chemical_weapons_in_the_Syrian_civil_war#Reported_chemical_weapons_attacks

>>33566324
If it's so commonplace why has this attack picked up so mcuch attention when all the other attacks have been ignored?

>>33566349
Thats probably the very question Assad is asking himself today.

>>33566288
not an argument

>>33566193

>A fucking dick drawing
>No proof it was aerial delivered

Try harder.

>MUH ONLY 23 MISSILE!

Slavs BTFO

>>33566370
Yeah im sure its just a crazy coincidence.

>>33566332
Do you know what "dozens "means? Or are you a fucking moron?

>>33566349
Kind of a question I asked myself. Combination of causalities and media hype/narrative I suppose.

Quite a large amount of deaths and injuries this time around compared to the usual no deaths or single digit deaths.

I think the media frenzy is silly, don't get me wrong. Bunch of war hounds.

>>33565866
58 of 59 missiles hit their target with one missing due to GPS failure.

>How can you detect kremlinbots?
>Unfortunately, you need some personal experience from facing them. But their main red flags are: high aggressiveness, general stupidity, wide use of propaganda cliches such as: yurop is on the verge of societal collapse, the USA is on the verge of economic collapse, muh massive shootouts in the US, muh refugees in Europe, muh radical LGBT madness everywhere in the world, everything you've been told and taught is a lie, RussiaToday is the sole credible news outlet, Putin is a good boy he dindu nuffin, and so on and so forth. Their most beloved tactics are: whataboutisms, blatant ad-hominem, avoiding the subject, appeal to emotion instead of logic, shifting the argument. Their methods are effective only against inexperienced opponents.

general reminder that the vatniks are in full force today. Kill a homo vatnik today, save the world from russian AIDs and STDs.

>>33566378
Yes. Multiple sets of 12.

63 is more than one set of 12. Thus it is dozens.

>>33566332
63 is literally literally literally 'dozens'.

>>33566219
Nope, insufficient range. The nearest syrian firebase with possible CWs is more than 25km from the strike locations. At the optimal firing angle of 38 degrees, their artillery can only reach 17.5km.

Also you saved the wrong range image. When drag is factored in, the furthest range you can reach is not by firing at 45 degrees, but rather by firing at ~38 degrees.

>>33566377

Considering bombing in that area is constant, yes it's just a coincidence.

Also wouldn't Syria being a com block armed nation prefer the standard delivery method of using Grads?

And hasn't the DOS confirmed a while ago that all the chemical weapons were given up?

Has there been confirmation that the gas was military grade sarin and not some backyard concotion?

>>33566391
I know. thats my point.

The poster I replied to doubted tht there had been dozens of attacks. I showed him a list of 63 attacks since 2012 and asked him if he considered that "dozens".

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>>33566219
>without air resistance

>>33566408
My bad.... misread.

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There are multiple russian warships en route to the syrian coast right now, seems like a naval clash is in the making

>>33566400
>Has there been confirmation that the gas was military grade sarin and not some backyard concotion?

no, but frankly fingers point to a subpar concoction, not pure legit Sarin. Like I said before I don't even think it's Sarin, its probably strong chlorine. Sarin is a chemical weapon through and through, by Syria could still easily get its hands on and work with chlorine.

>And hasn't the DOS confirmed a while ago that all the chemical weapons were given up?
yes, theoretically.

>>33566332

Only like 6 are confirmed SAA though.

in b4 Dealmaster Donnie strikes the yugest deal of all time with Russia, exchanging Pootie Putes cracking down on Assad's chemical attacks in exchange for dropping anti-Russian sanctions, thus ending this totally real conflict between them which proves they're not in bed together in a bigly way

>>33566428
Yeah. It's a kind of tit for tat.
The random Idlib towns getting hit with sporadic chlorine drops mixed in with airstrikes seem the most damning. Like you really think the rebels could get away with a false flag on the town they occupy? None of the population is gonna comply with that, no one wants to get gassed, so it'd have to be kept secret. You REALLY think the rebels have good opsec? You think they're opsec is so good they can repeat this process multiple times without being found out. (inb4 they were found out. I'm talking real big smoking gun shit here)

>>33566424

>by Syria could still easily get its hands on and work with chlorine.

Yes but they could get their hands on Sarin which is more effective just as well. Also there is a known Al Queda chemical plant in FSA territory.

>yes, theoretically.

So do you think that the SAA or the SyAF would be dumb enough to bring chemical weapons to it's largest airfield, or a nearby airfield that would be capable of a strike, load up a make shift bomb that has a low chance of successful deployment and fly one plane in a dick patter to strike the area?

>>33566428
But weren't some of the stockpiles raided early on in the war? Like before there was a big push to destroy Syrias stockpile?

>>33566465
well it could clearly be more than 1 plane, it probably was more than 1 plane.

>Yes but they could get their hands on Sarin which is more effective just as well.

Plausible deniability maybe? Just throwing it out there. Like I said Sarin's use is blatantly as a chemical weapon. Chlorine can be utilized to do a bunch of things, not just kill people. Also maybe to cover themselves saying "oh we just struck rebel chlorine stocks they were hiding".

>Also there is a known Al Queda chemical plant in FSA territory.
source? just curious for further info.

and well if were doing a stupid competition the SAA have definitely won some prizes in the past...

>>33566452

> You REALLY think the rebels have good opsec?

There is no one rebel group though. One more competent rouge one or even a foreign group could do it with ease.

Not to mention there is a civil war in the FSA currently.

And as has been said before by others what would the SAA gain from gassing civies?

>>33566420
Source?

>>33566452
Wan't it one bomb? Not multiple attacks like you're claiming.

>>33566478
Good question. Would be nice to have a definitive source but I think it'd be hard to ever fully know. It's not like Syria's chemical storage facilities were publicly displayed.

>>33566502
I don't know, I couldn't tell you if it was just 1 chemical bomb or more. It was definitely more than a single airstrike.

To fly all there way there for a single bomb is extremely illogical.

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>>33566498
>>33566498
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-04-07/russian-warship-steaming-toward-us-destroyers-syria-coast

Was the SA-6 battery given a YOLO mission of attempting to shoot down some cruise missiles?
Those guys were part of the KIA right?

>>33566497
>There is no one rebel group though. One more competent rouge one or even a foreign group could do it with ease.

I'd question with ease. I'd question the morality too. If it truly was a false flag how many people are in on it? how many people can keep their mouths closed? Surely they have moral battles if it was true, you are agreeing to gas people you claim to protect, you'd have to be extremely heartless and calculated. Similar to the whole 9/11 conspiracy theories it'd be hard to get everyone on the same program. What happens if you tell Ahmed your plan and he's like "nah that's not cool at all, in fact I'm gonna warn everyone". It just has soo many loose ends. Makes it seem very improbable.

>And as has been said before by others what would the SAA gain from gassing civies?

Military gains, nothing really. But I see it as psychological gains. They are telling the towns "oh you want to rebel? oh you want to buck our authority? here have this." A terror attack of sorts. A way of telling them you DARE to question our authority we got this coming for you and much worse when we arrive and clean house.

Just my humble opinions.

>>33566494

>Plausible deniability maybe?

Would make sense but would it really offset the fail rate?
>source? just curious for further info.
NVM it was under control until the Aleppo offensive last year. The plant was captured by Nusra in 2012.

>and well if were doing a stupid competition the SAA have definitely won some prizes in the past...

There were definitely cases of the dumbs, like not digging in at the artillery base, even though they had troops there for 7 FUCKING YEARS

But I would expect at least the air officers to show a modicum of brain.

>>33565525
>Maybe some SyAAF fag got mad

Or maybe you should stop being coy and realize that the most likely scenario is that it was authorized at a high level

>>33566515
>a Russian frigate armed with less missiles then the missiles carried by the two US destroyers which are designed around shooting down the missiles carried by the frigate

>>33565525
>got mad
I'm pretty sure using CW without authorization would get you and your family thrown into a torture dungeon.

>>33566515
>zerohedge

>>33566515
Torpedoes away?

>>33566552

> If it truly was a false flag how many people are in on it?

Could be as small as a special task force or a single rebel group.

> Surely they have moral battles if it was true

Do you think they have morals after that much war?

Do you think anyone has morals in that god forsaken region at this point?

>you are agreeing to gas people you claim to protect

Not everyone has agreed to protect them, that's why the fact that the FSA has a civil war going on and it's made up of multiple smaller parties makes them not look so noble.

> A terror attack of sorts

Why use an Illegal weapon when the SAA has the Buratino and have used it in the past to kill of like 200 people or something.

That's the problem. Even if they wanted to scare the people shitless they have thermobaric munitions which do the trick without the UN yelling at you.

>>33565200
Tomahawks confirmed for a piece of shit. More than half of them didn't even hit the targets.

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Russian evolution over then last 18 hours.

Russia cucked for all eternity.

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>>33565408
>is Assad more or less likely to continue using Sarin gas on civilian areas now?
>continue

>>33565945
>>33565966
I really like the Spanish people making these, but I wish they'd release English translations.

so now that we know that Assad has used chemical weapons how long until he falls?

>>33566689

>now that we know

We know jack shit actually.

The UNSC hasn't blamed anyone yet.

>>33566620
>Why use an Illegal weapon when the SAA has the Buratino and have used it in the past to kill of like 200 people or something.

>That's the problem. Even if they wanted to scare the people shitless they have thermobaric munitions which do the trick without the UN yelling at you.

Well yes and no. The whole point -is- the chemical weapons. The stigma surrounding it, the terror, the terrible death and injuries, etc.

It's meant to be the ultimate act of hatred, the ultimate fuck you.

IMO.

>>33566639
Most targets got multiple tomahawks. The Russians are conflating number of targets hit with number of tomahawks that reached the target area. If you look at the BDA, many of the aircraft shelters have more than one penetration on their roofs.

>>33566383
Source?

>>33565858
>The Runways weren't targeted
Does that mean they could have just towed all their planes to the runway and taxiways to keep them safe from the missiles hitting the hangars?

>>33566699
So then what about the other chemical weapon attacks that the UN believes happened?

>>33566703
This, It's not that the lives of other people killed by conventional means don't matter, it's that WMDs potentially open up a Pandora's box of badness that most would like to see permanently closed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1U4q-HclCfY

>>33566711
From what people are saying there was advance warning to evacuate people if they ran like hell but not enough to move the heavy equipment. Even so the latest versions of the Tomahawks can be re-targeted in flight.

>>33566721
well, here's the major one:
https://www.hrw.org/sites/default/files/reports/syria_cw0913_web_1.pdf

to be honest it's on my to do read list, I haven't actually read that report. Though that's not the official UN report but I think it pulls from it(?)

>>33566703

>The stigma surrounding it, the terror, the terrible death and injuries, etc.

Besides getting into the whole what's a worse way to go, wouldn't the whole getting turned into minced meat near the impact zone and getting crispy outside of it do that trick just as well?

>It's meant to be the ultimate act of hatred, the ultimate fuck you.

But why show them that you hate them soo much you are gona be a retard for today, when you are winning?

You are pushing on all fronts, you are making diplomatic gains and then let's just risk everything cause fuck you.

Considering that the SAA has not used them in a proper strike when all the chips were down years ago, why now?

I think we are gona start going in a circle now and we both agree if they have done it it's beyond retarded, so the real question would now be, do you think they are that retarded?

>>33566721

Everyone has used gas on small scale in that war.

From SAA to FSA to ISIL to the Kurds.

If you want to take a moral stance on the stupidity level of the prohibition you would have to glass everyone.

>>33565781
>criminal
>calling others stupid
wew you really don't have any grasp on reality, do you?

>>33566764
>But why show them that you hate them soo much you are gona be a retard for today, when you are winning?

Cause it's arabs were talking here. Shame and hatred are a cultural staple...

>do you think they are that retarded?
Yeah, kind of.

I'm not 100% in my conclusion, but IMO my conclusion leans more towards Assad than some kind of rebel false flag. Not even Assad, more like air force commander at the base thinking he's Goebbels and dealing out what he deems as punishment. Hence me previously saying it's probably DIY chlorine, not military grade sarin, since the sarin would need more preparation and approval from higher ups. SAA is very decentralized at this point in the war.

It is stupid, I'll give you that. But Franz Ferdinand's driver getting lost mid parade was pretty stupid too.

>>33565781
I'm glad nobody will let you run around with a gun, I doubt you have the mental capacity to think before you shoot

>>33566764
Nobody ever said they're were smart. They're taking their cues from Russia, which started a proxy frozen conflict in the nation next to them because their guy got thrown out of the presidency, then had their economy tanked because of sanctions. My point being, these people don't seem to have a really strong grasp on the consequences of their actions.

>>33566795

>Not even Assad, more like air force commander at the base thinking he's Goebbels and dealing out what he deems as punishment.

>SAA is very decentralized at this point in the war.

Two things if it was a rogue commander because it's so decentralized he would still need a reason to be mad. I mean there was that battle south of Idlib where an Iranian brigadier general died.

Now that I am thinking of it, Hezbollah could be retarded enough to do it or convince the SyAF to do it, or give them the means to do it.

Actually that is not the dumbest of idea, if it was a Syrian ally not Syrian forces directly it means that Assad can't like blame the nearby commander that did it and spare the country and his gains.

>ITT stupid Ameriniggers mad only 23 made it through cold war Syrian air defense
>air base still fully operational
>basically no casualties
You faggots got BTFO

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>>33566894

>tfw I realized I use "like like like like Stacy" in a sentence, unironically

I deserve to be gassed for that one.

>>33566930

>symbolic strike

>>33566950
>asshurt faggot s moving goal posts
59 missiles is not a "symbolic strike" its too bad for you all of them were shot down

>>33566930
>only 23
LOL.

Crocodil is a hell of a drug

>11pm in moscow

Its almost time for bed vatniks.

>>33566970
You do realize that most of the targets got more than one missile fired at them, right? It would be even more embarrassing if 23 made it through fully equipped, modern Russian air defenses.

>air base still fully operational
Not the planes or supporting equipment on the ground

>>33567138

>Those container can't hold anything else but Sarin
>The attack was done with Chlorine gas
>They would keep the chemical weapons in the open

>>33567161
thank for pointing that out

>>33567161
Attack was done with Sarin gas. Anyway, it doesn't matter because it confirms Assad lied about not having any more chemical weapons.

Reports from the Pentagon says:

>20 planes possibly destroyed.

>60 Missiles launched 1 failed inflight, 59 reached target.

>Airstrip was not targeted nor hit.

>Hangars and bunkers were hit. One S-300 site was attacked.

>100 russians were on site.

>Russian MoD says 23 missiles hit
>photos show at least 44 different targets hit, some multiple times

How will vatniks ever recover.

>>33567217

>Attack was done with Sarin gas.

proof?

> Anyway, it doesn't matter because it confirms Assad lied about not having any more chemical weapons.

Again why would they leave cans of sarin in the open outside of an airbase?

What if they got hit or malfunction and you lose are your pilots.

Not to mention the US and other UNSC members have satellites and drones that would be able to see them from a mile away. Especially since Syria was under investigation and still is since the start of the conflict.

>>33567258
>proof?

PROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOFS

>>33567258
>Again why would they leave cans of sarin in the open outside of an airbase?
You are asking a question about a madman that gases his own people even after beating the shit out of rebels. I cannot answer that.

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>>33567265

>My only response to people asking for validation is memes

Oh boy.

>>33567272

>Assad is le ebil man that goes around gassing children by going up to them and going BRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPPPPP in their faces

Can you be less retarded. Also again if those cans were in the open the UNSC would have known about it. Didn't the DOS say just a while back that Assad gave up his last 7% of gas weapons to then UN.

What you are now telling me the US is so retarded they can't check the back of an ammo dump?

>>33567276

I'm afraid the burden of evidence is on you

>>33567258
Some nerve agent. Symptoms were compatible with that. But not a chlorine or mustard gas attack.

Hopefully the next strike Trump orders is using the Minuteman and hopefully it is directed at Moscow.

>>33567287
>Also again if those cans were in the open the UNSC would have known about it
The UNSC did know about it, that's why it was bombed, dumbass.

>>33567161
What exactly is the military use of those canisters then? Seems like they have expended quite a lot of it. So it's not likely something like a lubricant or shit.

>>33567289

>Makes claim that Assad did it
>That he used Sarin
>That the cans were kept in the ammo dump
>Brings no proof

You don't know how the burden of proof works do you?

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>>33567221
>Airstrip was not targeted nor hit.
Why didn't they use AGM-109H TAAM (Tactical Anti-Airfield Missile) to destroy airstrip ?
http://www.designation-systems.net/dusrm/app4/blu-106.html

>>33567306
Sorry, I thought you were talking about US. UNSC obviously didn't inspect everywhere. Anyway, you're the one playing stupid. Those are CW no doubt about it. Doesn't matter if it's not the ones used in the attack. ASSAD LIED.

>>33567306

>The UNSC did know about it, that's why it was bombed, dumbass.

The investigation didn't even begin on that attack before the missiles got lobbed. Half of the UNSC is staring at the US since now the investigation got fucked.

>>33567317
>Y-yea so what if they're chemical weapons? Proof that Assad used them?
Christ, the mental gymnastic.

>>33567317

>You don't know how the burden of proof works do you?

I have made an assertion that you must prove is wrong.

>>33567323

>ASSAD LIED.

Your only proof is a pic of discarded cans.

Considering that nearly all 63 gas attacks, perpetrated by all the parties in the conflict were done with Chlorine. And that there is no way they expended that much Sarin in one strike without gassing the whole city dead those containers could have held anything.

>>33567331

I didn't say that dumbass. I said that all you got is a pick of containers.

You said unless that's the other poster since no ID's since this board is a shit.

>>33567217

>>33567287
The cans were stored inside the HAS before the strike dumbass.

>>33567319
Easily repaired and less effective than destroying Assad's aircraft/fuel.

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>>33566705
>Most targets got multiple tomahawks.
And still some planes and shelters resulted undamaged.

>>33567366

So they are gona fling cans of sarin in the open now?

>>33567333
That's not how that works. You need to provide proof that your assertion holds water. Then the other anon has to provide proof that those are false.

You need to back up your claims first.

>>33567368
Keyword is SOME. Others got completely blasted inside and out.

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>>33567319
They're very cheap and easy to repair. If they took out the runway it'd only stop the airforce for a week, by taking out the planes the airforce is permanently gone.

>>33566186
He's already won though, Aleppo took 6 years to take, he retook rebel part of Damascus, there's no other major part owned by rebels (besides Raqqa which is ISIS not FSA) at this point that can really fund the rebels outside of outside funding through Turkey.

That's why people are saying ti makes no strategical sense to use gas now, when it already took 6 years of war to take the HQ of the FSA and he won.

The ones who back got broke was the FSA because all the people left and no one was left to continue joining them while Assad had control of eveywhere else.

>>33567407
That hangar looks like its a goner. So much buckling in that concrete.

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>>33567401
yeah but not talking so good about tomahawk capabilities if it only can destroy "some" targets and the rest remain intact

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>>33567221
>One S-300 site was attacked.

>>33567221

S-300 confirmed for shit defense system

>>33566721
weren't the UN unable to figure who was responsible for the CW attack back in 2013?

>>33567465
Protip, nobody is going to waste money on bombing ancient Su-7.

>>33566711
They can use Tomahawks for run way cratering. We have used them in the past to do that. We didn't.

>>33567138
Holy shit. Maybe Trump was right.

>>33567161
Maybe they were used and were just used storage units.

>>33567465
Not every hangar may have been targeted. For whatever reason.
Maybe intel thought they saw Russian planes or stored chemical weapons outside they did not want to risk dispersing into the air. I don't have the info they had to give definitive explanations.

There's no massive craters so these look like cluster munitions and air bursts. Enough to destroy aircraft under their shelters, and even knock out the hangars themselves.
I don't think it speaks poorly of the Tomahawk, this was a very limited strike where warning was given. In the past those missiles have worked fine and this was no different. What was different was the amount of damage looking to be done.

>>33567368
of course, the objective was to hit the aircraft and facilities used to deliver the chemical weapons, not take out the entire airfield. If we wanted those planes dead, they'd be dead. Sometimes not all parts of a base will be targeted only certain objectives (in this case planes and facilities used in the gas attacks). Not only that but it also serves as a warning: carry out more attacks and this whole base will be a crater.

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>>33567138
Those are Soviet chemical weapons containers. Here shown containing Soman in Russia.

>>33567571
What would they call these?

>>33567417
There is no "winning" for Assad. Which is why he really does need to go at some point.

>>33566219
>look mom i can use matlab

>>33567571
Not necessarily chemical. Those are BKF containers for KMGU dispenser.

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>>33567533
su-22 inside the shelters seem undamaged, there are reports that are already flying again

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>>33565200
>damgae

>>33567601
I'd be grateful of photos showing them in this function.

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>>33567619
Some targets were spared. Either intentionally or not.

>>33567619
>Russian shills post pictures of undamaged plane ready for sorties.
>>33567690
>Gets BTFO by an official russian news photo showing devastated hangars with smouldering wrecks of planes.
>It even has a watermark.

>>33567314
There are a lot of goats in the area.

>>33567720
kek

>>33567720
>Abdul we need some lub for the truck
>Ok sure.
>Abdul? Where are you going with Hakim's goat?

So this whole thing is still over the pipeline right? Assad was going to do the red team pipeline through Iran and Turkey, John McCain says nuh-uh my pipeline's going through SA and Jordan. Maybe this will mollify that old goat. Obviously we can't have red team get the pipeline, in any case.

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>>33567669
Heres the anti-personnel cluster one. There are very few pictures of what is actually inside.

>>33567789
A FILE FOR ANTS.

Can someone sauce me on the part where the two destroyers practiced the attack for two days?

>>33567716
>>Gets BTFO by an official russian news photo showing devastated hangars with smouldering wrecks of planes.
There are photos from the same source with at least 2 Su-22 intact.

>>33567810
Did not find any other picture. As far as i understand stuff is loaded into container, containers are loaded into KMGU dispenser. I may be wrong, though.

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>>33567764
Oil pipelines really aren't important, the world has a fuckton of oil tankers and transporting things over the sea isn't expensive.

A natural gas pipeline 'could' make more sense but Europe is going full on renewable energy sources.

Natural gas consumption has decline in EU for the past years, another pipeline is pointless since the existing infrastructure isn't being used to their full extent.

Really no reason to have a war over energy when it's so cheap and abundant as it is right now.

>>33567863
Both the US and Europe are trying to be energy dependent. Its more towards economic hardship than political reality but to understate politics impact is silly.

US has been having its shale and fracking revolution for around 10 years now. Oversupply have depressed oil prices to just barely 50 per barrel. Plus with all the move towards hybrid or electric vehicles, it more than likely that oil will have a significantly lower importance as consumer vehicle fuel. Oil will still be useful in plastics and chemicals but the lionshare of fuel would be less important.

For countries that produce oil, this really hurts. Russia produces a crap ton of oil and needs 50 bucks above to stay in positive monetary conditions.

Saudis are also in the same boat. They are really pushing their economy to move towards more capital intensive sectors and encouraging women to be part of the workforce instead of importing "slaves" from southeast asia. Somewhat late but needed.

Venezuela...is a basketcase on how a fucking rich country could go from top dog to utterly piss in 5 years. Oil is cheaper than water yet it cant fucking provide toilet paper. Saying US sanctions are to blame is stupid, no one can fucking steal all the chicken from every shop in Venezuela. Its impossible. Falling Oil prices made their lives go from miserable to living hell. having a retard with retard friends running the country tends to make things much worse too.

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>>33566002
Wake up, sheeple.

>>33567138
Those are most likely containers that the Russians had deactivated, as they're covered in holes.

>>33567138
>Casually leaving out and walking around "leaking" chemical containers
>no CBRN equipment
nigga these are empty

>>33568604
Most likely to show any spy sats to confirm they are empty.

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Theory as to what is happening in the world.

>actions against Syria open a dialog between the US, Russia, and NATO
>this secures Russia as a modern nation for the coming decades
>explains why the Russians bothered with the election
>Hillary would have had this same situation that would have resulted in war and no cooperation with those damn backwards Russians
>But trump is able to see eye to eye and talk it out as two leaders with very similar ideals
>Russia becomes an ally or at least neutral in US work in Syria realizing that support of Syria will put them in a world of pain
>this relation can blossom into long term relations and total and complete Kebab removal by pooling the resources of the modern world against little Jihad Johnny
>this new stability in the world makes the allegations of Russian meddling seem pointless as it yields a better world

>this leads into a second term for Trump where the big one is waiting
>CHINA
>we remove communism with the assistance of Russia and NATO
>sparked like Syria was from gas attacks with their actions in the south China Sea


>Russia did not totally flip shit when they were informed of the attacks coming and are yet to have any conclusive hostility as a result of this. It would certainly make their work in the election pointless if they did all this just to have total war in the end anyway.

We are equally between world peace and world war at this stage. Removal of Islam and Communism would be the only adversaries against global unification.

>>33567138
>CW containers just left laying out in the middle of the airfield

I can't tell if this means that those containers AREN'T for CWs but instead nigger-rigged barrel bombs or if it's another example of Middle Eastern militaries being hilariously incompetent

>>33568781
100000000000000D CHESS

>>33566451
the fuck did you just type

>>33566674
Close In Weapon System.
Decoy Launching System.
Vertical Launching System.

All I can remember off the top of my head.
Though I'm pretty sure things like AN/SPS, SPY 1D, SLQ32, and SPG62 are just the names of the radars and don't actually stand for anything.

>>33569373
How the fuck did I manage to reply to the wrong guy...
Meant this: >>33566015

>>33565200
http://www.defensenews.com/articles/syria-chemical-attack-us-response

Read this

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>>33567789
and original https://my.mixtape.moe/zhmxow.png

>>33569483
>not picture for ants

Thank you anon

>>33566385
I've been around since the original alphabet boardlist. .......ive seen a many Slavs on /k. They used to be komrads. Now they're kunts. This board used to be enjoyable. Now it's pol with balls.
Fuck it. I'm gonna go buy Opp a shot and beat off to some old Duke and boof.

>>33569524
Get with the times gramps. I used to fuck with snacks in the IRC. Now I'm a full blown /pol/tard and help meme local politicians into power. Times change and the world changes as well. /pol/ is the best source for lulz if you don't tKe it tto seriouslym

>>33565200
Good to know the Russians are doing the after action report for us so we can hit them better next time.

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This was ripped from cnn.

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>>33569483
I put a pressure vessel inside a pressure vessel and put absorbent pads outside of absorbent pads, so you can run from your chemicals as you die from your chemicals.

>>33566970
Minimum of 44 strikes shown in satellite imagery, and that imagery would not show area denial submunition delivery, and might not distinguish between two extremely close hits and one hit.

So the Russian MOD claim is a minimum of 21 missiles light, and the preliminary US claim is a maximum of 14 missiles heavy, but might be accurate.

>>33570137
>So the Russian MOD claim is a minimum of 21 missiles light.

Why do they bother just picking shit out their ass like that?

>>33570183
When russia shills hard and fast, they fucked up something mighty hard to warrant all this shit.

>>33570183
>Why do they bother just picking shit out their ass like that?
It's a tradition bred of decades of strong control over all media sources.

It's going to take decades to finish dying.

>>33567272
>why would he have a good reason for using chemical weapons! assad is a le evil digdador who kills puppies for fun!
yeah no. doing things for teh evulz is a disney meme.

>>33570183
Folks who study disinfo have found that people tend to remember and trust the very first claim they hear about an event, no matter how retarded it is. That's why you get people years after a shooting or terrorist attack regurgitating something they read on twitter as it was happening, even if they later saw it was false. Russia very aggressively tries to get the first word on everything for that reason. Their own media will of course repeat it, and foreign outlets do the same thing because fuck you.

>>33567368
It's always wigged me out a little to see this style of HAS with the open ends - what's to stop an attacker dropping a suface-fused PGM into the concrete out the front and fucking the aircraft over that way?

Or is it just playing the numbers and hoping that's not where they land?

>>33568604
Have a look at the holes in other photos circulating.

The holes are largely surrounded by bare metal, that's not yet corroded - ie, recently made.

The bare metal surrounds show a velocity vector - ie, struck by something moving (fragments?) not drilled straight on

Some of the containers have scorch marks around the holes. Some have dents rather than punctures. Some have the bare metal scuff out towards the edge of the container, and no puncture.

To me it looks like random fragmentation damage rather than a uniform methodical process.

Additionally, to the anon saying "HURR DURR WHY YOU STORE THEM OUTSIDE" - could you conceivably grasp the possibility that the containers might be already empty having been utilised and then discarded? I make that point on the basis that they look like containers from which air-dropped weapons are filled, rather than them being weapons themselves.

>>33570677
That makes so much fucking sense.

>>33567863
It's not about energy cost. It's about propping up the failing fiat currency system by maintaining the primacy of the petrodollar, by aligning petrostates with the US axis as much as possible.

A US-aligned Syria would be a pathway for energy from gulf states to Europe, that would turn Europe away from dependence on Russian energy, and perpetuate the petrodollar.

>>33570587
>forgetting literally every dictator has used chemical weapons as a fear tactic to subdue his people
>forgetting he did it already
>seriously forgetting Saddam
Fucking /pol/lacks need to gtfo

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>>33565919
>>33565572
>Why would Assad use gas now?

Because Sarin is cheap and effective and the new US president has spent five years signalling that he doesn't want to be involved in Syria?

>>33570038
Tomorrow I might try an count the craters and try to get a number of impact areas. That way we can see who is lying about the number of missiles that got through.

>>33572494
Just look at ops image.

It's clear the SSyrians and Russians were lying.

>>33566366
>why not do a single bombing against a large number of scattered targets

retard

>>33572494
>what are airburst and cluster/sub munitions, Alex.

>>33566113
The 23 figure is literally able to be proven wrong just by looking at satellite images.

>Muhammed your airforce sucks!
>You have been bombing this town for two months without results. You can barely hit the town!
>Oh you want results mister army general? I'll show you results!

There. That's what happened.

SYRIANS DIED

RUSSIANS LIED

>>33572773
The US does not use cluster/submunitions

>>33572853
Was getting caught part of their plan?

Wikipedia says sarin has a shelf life from few weeks to 5 years depending on the quality of production, this implies that the sarin was produced during the conflict, where are the chemical plants?

>>33572853
I really would love to see the proof that the sarin gas attack was carried out by the SAA and that the base had it in storage.
Because so far, nothing as been brought up besides more bitching about dead babies from the media.

>>33573180
US released their radar plot which showed that a plane from that base carried out a strike to the area where sarin was detected. You naturally don't have to trust the americans but that's pretty much the only proofs you can get considering the situation, not like Russians or Syrians would ever admit the attack, and will probably produce their own version of events

>>33573129
this shell was a binary, as in it has a one million year shelf life, and it manufactures the sarin during flight to the target when the binary mixes into the final sarin

so the shell itself is the chemical plant

>>33573298
for some reason i find that baller

>>33567319
>http://www.designation-systems.net/dusrm/app4/blu-106.html
>not produced for service use

Maybe that's why. Also because these were not designed to be VLS launch-able.

>>33567407
>>33567465
Notice the ones that were hit are covered in blackened soot and the ones that weren't targeted were obviously not targeted. Hence why they didn't get hit.

>>33570808
Nothing. I supposed the idea is that if they can drop a PGM right outside they can put one on any door you make just as well. Also, the shelters often serve more to deny intelligence than to stop bombs. It's possible even a delay fused SDB I could penetrate that and destroy an aircraft.

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>>33567138

Those are Cluster Munition containers.

>>33573208
playing devils advocate here, has sarin been confirmed? I've heard anything from sarin to highly concentrated chlorine, and i'd believe rebel backed propaganda just as much as assad, as everyone has a horse in this race and can milk it

>>33570869

You do fucking realize that's a standard container shape for Soviet Era stuff right?

Like for example for cluster munitions.

>>33573824
Milk the story that is. not the horse. that would be...strange

>>33573208

No US released a dick drawing. We don't even have a confirmation if the munitions were sarin, or that they were air delivered.

Not to mention that town was bombed daily.

What I don't like about this is how slow Tomahawks launch. It's about 2/3rds slower than Kaliber launch.

>>33566383
I heard it was because of the booster failing to seperate.

>>33569384
It's vocabulary, use them enough times and it's pretty easy to pick up.

>>33573917

Wasn't that the one that failed at launch?

Since they launched 60 but one crapped it's pants at launch.

>>33573965
Oh ok. So 2 failed one at launch and the other ones gps messed up

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>>33565919
>Why would he put himself in such a compromising situation by using gas
Because the Kremlin told him not to and the White House said they were cool with Assad.

Wouldn't be the first time we slapped down an Arab dictator who thought he had our blessing.

>>33566420
Theres only one.

>>33574094
Saudis still untouchable, they can bomb and starve children, but still our precious ally

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>>33565200
It's all very simple.

>>33567217
>Believing the gas attack wasn't a false flag

WEW

>>33574256
Stop reposting this you spastic
I like how people keep throwing out their butthurt assumptions to defend their favoured party, and fucking no one has shown any actual evidence to prove their point

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>>33567217
>Anyway, it doesn't matter because it confirms Assad lied about not having any more chemical weapons.
It does not. Its a universal container. Containers on the picture have AO-XXX markings, which means they are anti-personnel cluster munitions, yet they look exactly the same as chemical containers with BKP-P markings.

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>>33573827
>Syrians got confused and fired Sarin Gas instead of Cluster Munitions

>>33574307
>No evidence
If you knew a damn thing about the current political climate you would see that I'm right.
>Favoured political party
There's no NatSocs involved in politics, silly.

>>33574384
The attack was clearly not a cluster, it was an artillery projectile. Munitions on the photo clearly show conventional markings. Munitions on the photo are for KMGU container, there is no Sarin option for those munitions, only Soman.

>>33566266
Yeah man you have a good point there just /sg/ guys take it as you want it but there not the best people to have a discussion with.

>>33569524
>I'm an oldfag
>/k instead of /k/

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>>33574094
>Kuwait is the richest shithole in the world