Shotguns

>>33559573
Old production 870 or any 500 which ever one looks cooler to you.

>>33559573
Remington only if it's pre 2007 otherwise mossberg 590 or ithaca if you're a hipster

Remington is heavier, better for absorbing recoil of full-brass ammo. Also slightly classier looking but shitty QC and will rust.
Mossberg is lighter, cheaper and slightly more tacticool looking. Though it can also be classed-up.
Either is fine, fondle both and decide which you prefer.

>>33559625
Ithaca is love
Ithaca is life
Got a service 37 for $100 after tax because the guy couldn't move it because "no one likes wood on a shotgun anymore" Love it to death.

>>33559664
slamfire

>>33559671
You know it bby. Love my Winchester 97, 12, and Ithaca.

>>33559713
enjoy your cell

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>>33559730
Oh no, what ever will I do. Certainly there can't be a clause about the age of the weapon making it ok can there?

>>33559760
Cite it for me.

>>33559784
ATF ruling. The "trigger" on old shotguns is the pump action in that case. Perfectly legal to own, as for making one yourself or modifying one idk because idc. Also any new production shotguns would have to have been built with a trigger disconnect per ATF regulations. Tahdah.

>>33559881
Link?

If you go for the mossberg just save $100 and get a maverick 88, exact same gun except it has a crossbolt safety and the forend is slightly harder to replace

>>33559898
www.Google.com
Alternatively
www.BATFE.gov

>>33559898

maybe just kill yourself you euro piss baby

>>33559898
>not him, but
How about do some research and lurk a bit more.

Benelli

>>33559905
Last I checked the 88 only has one action bar.

OP, you might want to look for an older, used 870P or wingmaster. Both should have the metal trigger housing instead of plastic.

A cut down vent rib Wingmaster for that Romancing the Stone aesthetic.

The wingmaster has a longer forend that fucks with some sidesaddles but improves ergonomics. The 870P often has a corncob forend that looks good but is sort of awkward to reach.

>>33559905
>If you go for the mossberg just save $100 and get a maverick 88, exact same gun except it has a crossbolt safety and the forend is slightly harder to replace

This, if you're looking for an 18" to 20" home defender. The 500 kit that includes an 18" and 28" barrel are good if you want to hunt and shoot burglars. Remington 870s have an alphabet letter in the serial number, If you find a good condition 870 with an A through M in the serial at a good price, buy it. N through whatever is a crapshoot for quality; some are OK, most suck.

>>33559573
the 870 police magnum on the top is the hotness.

Here's the tips for the Rem870 vs Mossberg500 debate.

The old Remington is better. The new ones have plastic trigger groups and generally lower quality. It's still cheap as shit to get a metal one and upgrade it anyway.

The 500 is good out of the box, but if you want a combat shotgun get the 590. Don't get the 88, the budget quality is disproportionately apparent compared to the budget price. Only pump action i've seen off face.


Get any 870 and add the heat shield. 590 comes with a heat shield.

Also, remington 870 handles contamination better, down position carrier, etc. Mossberg is lighter overall.

>>33559923
Yeah but to the specific part.

>>33559925
But I live in the US

>>33559944
How bout no, he introduced a claim he can back it up SJW.

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>>33561134
*inhales*

No.

>>33561335
I accept your defeat, enjoy your cell time.

>>33561373
I'm enabling you to do your own research. I'll also offer a suggestion of killing yourself.

>>33561373
>Literally millions of ithica 37's, model 10's, winchester 97's, model 12's, and reproductions thereof owned bought and sold in the united states
>Literal pages of them on any gun selling website
>One or two in just about any gun store that specialized in used guns
>"They're basically machine guns brah"

>>33561388
Someone's salty bout being wrong!

>>33561423
Hey, not my words, the laws words. Also cite the millions for sale.

>>33561441
Millions bought and sold over the years, from 1897 to the 1960s you idiot.

>>33561441
>Also cite the millions for sale.

I said millions owned. The number of these "Machine guns" sold on a daily basis is probably merely dozens to low hundreds.

http://www.gunbroker.com/All/BI.aspx?Keywords=winchester+97

Feel free to browse though.

>>33561470
>Millions bought and sold over the years, from 1897 to the 1960s

Well, that certainly is a very helpful observation. Thank you for your precious help.

>>33561441
I'm not even that guy but holy hell you're a fucking idiot. http://www.gandermountain.com/modperl/product/details.cgi?i=695090
Here, new production slam fire shotgun for sale, if the ATF didn't like it they would've jumped on their ass years ago. Go be retarded somewhere else, Elmer.

>>33561486
You asked for millions for sale when he clearly said millions bought and owned. You pedantic fuck.

>>33561491
>You asked for millions for sale when he clearly said millions bought and owned.

I didn't ask for anything, you dumb cunt. I'm just observing you snarling little idiots argue about nothing as usual.

>>33561503
>>33561441
>>cite the millions for sale
Wow, sure showed me.

>>33559664
>"no one likes wood on a shotgun anymore"

I figured fudds would love wood on their guns, none of that Mattel polymer.

A shotgun just doesn't look right if it doesn't have wood on it.

>>33561503
>I didn't ask for anything
>>33561441
>Also cite the millions for sale.

Really makes you think.

Inb4 "merely pretending"

>>33561515
>A shotgun just doesn't look right if it doesn't have wood on it.

I'll agree to that. Plastic doesn't seem right on a gun except Glocks and ARs.

>>33560079
Just bought an 88 a few weeks ago, can confirm it has two action bars. It's just easy to spend $200 for a new cheap shotgun and you don't really have to shop around for it.

>>33561470
Can you cite the page that lists the sales?

>>33561488
Not quite what I was looking for.

>>33561488
One page that's sold out? Nice try.

>>33561514
That's two different people tho.

>>33561517
No I'm dead serious.

>>33561651
>Doesn't reply to the comment that shows him literally dozens of 97's for auction

But as a bonus have a famous youtuber firing one. Protip, neither he nor the hundreds of CAS shooters that use them every year are in jail.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OukmFnhUCM&

I'd show you a timestamped pic of mine, but I sold it recently. Legally. In California. Where they're legal. Because they're just shotguns.

>>33561744
>But as a bonus have a famous youtuber firing one
He got reprimanded for it too.

What are good optics for a 870, or just a pump in general? Is a standard small red dot just fine or would a holographic sight be significantly better? Just looking for something other then alittle bb at the end of the barrel

>>33561767
I reprimanded your mom.

>>33561767
>ATF "reprimands" people for breaking machinegun laws.

Go ahead and source that though.

When you come back from that, check out this 97 that's for sale, right now, on gunbroker.

http://www.gunbroker.com/item/632940729

>>33561787
It's a shotgun, my man. Just point it in the general direction

>>33561796
Mmm baby yeah, I love it. Invite me next time bb

>>33561798
Source what? Burden of proof is on you.

>>33561810
>Say that hickock was "reprimanded" for shooting his perfectly legal shotgun in a perfectly legal way
>Tell me to prove it

Show where he faced any consequences to having owned that apparently super illegal gun.

>>33560111
These trips do not lie.

>>33560524
also accurate.

>>33561805
Just looking for tips because I want to do some competition shooting at my local range 3 gun thing

>>33561824
I didn't understand the question, the burden of proof is on you.

>>33561847
What's hard to understand?

I showed you someone shooting the winchester 97

You said that he was reprimanded in some way

I asked for proof of this.

You did not supply it, presumably because you lack it.

>>33561863
But he was reprimanded.

>>33561872
When? How?

>>33561879
After he posted the video, he got fined for it.

>>33561881
Show me where you found this information.

>>33561879
Wtf is your problem with the 97? Are you some great war era german that got thrown into the future or something? They are perfectly legal, they are exempt from the NFA stuff.

>>33559647
>full-brass ammo.
but why

>>33561879
Sorry
>>33561889
was meant for >>33561872

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>>33561887
I found it online.

>>33561889
Naw it's illegal to own.

>>33561889
You're replying to the wrong anon. I love the 97 and used to own a 30" until I had to sell it.

Otheranon thinks the dog squad will come after you for them, despite how common and widely used they are.

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>>33561909
Ok, that's pretty good. I'm glad I stayed aboard this ruse cruise.

8/10, would sail again.

Anybody owns a FN P-12 here ? I'm thinking of getting one soon and wanted some reviews

>>33561925

>>33561787
Red dot is fine, decent shotgun red dots are cheap too, especially if you're just starting out. But for three gun a bead or ghost sights will work just as well
>>33561805
You're fucking retarded. Buckshot through nearly any choke is still a fist sized group at twenty yards.

But he does kinda have a point. With a shotgun using a traditional stock an optic kinda makes the gun imbalanced. I'd honestly go for irons

>>33561872

Are you retarded?

>>33561941
I know you are but what am I?

Actual question boys:
if i'm mostly trying to joyshoot/learn shooting, buying my first shotgun (never even shot one before), and don't plan on killing anything bigger than whitetails, is there any problem in wanting a 20 gauge instead of a 12?

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>>33561949
No.

>>33561949
20's kind of pointless. It's not as big a savings on recoil as you might think, and with the variety of loads available in 12, anything a 20 can do a 12 can do better.

>>33561967
That's objectively wrong, a 20 is better at being a 20, a 12 is not better at being a 20 than a 20.

>>33561975
and what's a 20 better at?
>>33561967
well, a 7-pound maverick 88 shooting a 20 must have less recoil than a 7-pound 88 shooting a 12, right?
also: bruising. i despise the idea of bruising

>>33561975
>Put in barrel liner
>Shoot 20 from 12
>Have even lower recoil because of mass from liner
>12 20's better than a 20

>>33561987
>and what's a 20 better at?
Being a 20.

>>33561995
Requires an extra piece, 20 still better at being 20

>>33561987
>well, a 7-pound maverick 88 shooting a 20 must have less recoil than a 7-pound 88 shooting a 12, right?
>also: bruising. i despise the idea of bruising

Usually 20's are lighter than their 12 gauge counterparts of the same make and model, which is why the recoil saving isn't as much as you think. You can get very light 12 gauge loads that are just as powerful as a normal load from a 20 (or even lighter than that) but, being fired from the full weight gun, they feel might lighter than the equally powered 20 gauge load.

Also, shotgun recoil is overblown. If you shoot 5 consecutive rounds of trap with a steel buttplate right on your shoulder you might get a bruise, but just put on a rubber pad and/or wear a shooter's jacket and you will never have a problem, especially with low-powered loads.

I had a mossberg 500 as my first shotgun but I would get a light strike every 15 rounds or so, traded it for a new 870

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>>33559573
You know what to do.

870 is the way to go. Break down is easy, and they're solidly build. Any model will do. Keep it oiled and it won't rust. The action on new models is not smooth, but rack that shit like a man and it will do what you want.

>>33559573
If you go with the Remington make sure you get it in 12ga because the 20ga's pump-slide is way too fucking finicky to put back together.

Okay OP here. Seems like both are good choices, but if I can find a pre-2007 870 I should go with that. Thank you for the suggestions.

And I guess thank you for keeping the thread up with the slam fire argument.

>>33559573
mossberg 500, as an 870 owner i can tell you now, the quality is trash compared to the past version

the only quality 870s you can get are the police magnums, the others cut too many corners with trashy rivets holding in ejectors, and extractors that are MIM, with barrels not polished to be a ble to extract cheaper rounds cleanly

If you want to be able to own an 970 and bring it up to standards you will end up spending at least another $100-150 in replacement parts, and thats not including work going into doing so.

But if you can find a police magnum or an older wingmaster, then you are golden
also..blame jews for the fall of remington

>>33559573
Benelli Nova

>>33562484
>>33562036
Freedom group has finally gotten around to sending in shills I see.

>>33564878
>anyone I don't agree with is a shill

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Pre freedom group 870 wingmasters are my favorite

Was at Cabela's earlier, saw an 870 tactical for $360 and a Nova for $350. Any suggestions on which to get? The Nova had ghost ring sights

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Remington Fanboi here.

GET THE MOSSBERG 500. DON'T LOOK BACK.

opinions on Winchester 1897s?

>>33560524
>memeshield

I had an older Remington from 2001, the thing still rusted if it made contact with air. It was solid, had a very smooth action, and handled recoil extremely well. I would not buy a new one, find an old Wingmaster.

>>33561515
Modern fudds hate wood.
>it absorbs moisture and throws off your accuracy!
>durr can see your blued wood stocked rifle from miles away
>wood takes huge amounts of maintenance

The modern fudd's favorite stock is now polymer with a realtree wrap. Durr won't see you coming that way