new mud test

Now that we have established that the SKS is a shit innawoods gun, what is /our gun/?

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>>33551623
ar15

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I just watched this, was a nice gun non the less.
Feels kinda bad to see my raifu fail (Serb). But shes still my go tountil i find an ar build i like.

>>33551572
yup, mud tests are still interesting to watch for curiosity sake, even though they're pretty predictable before they even fire
but they're retarded and anyone actually basing purchases on the results of one is even more retarded

Are guns with an inbuilt magazine more prone to failure than magazines?

>>33551572
>it did worse than the AK which explains why they switched to the AK
yep, I'm sure mud test results are why the soviets switched from the SKS to the AK

Why do they waste time making these videos that don't matter?

>>33551707
Its a fun curiosity, don't take it so seriously.

>>33551707
easy there nigger

>>33551623
Moist nugget

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>>33551623
AR-15

>>33551812
>>>/pol/

>>33551572
FAL, now and forever.

>>33551706
yes because an open action is needed to feed them

Have they tested any other DI guns other than an AR15? I would imagine they work best because they blow the mud right out of the action.

>>33551877
>>>/reddit/

>>33551893
no, the ar works because it's a sealed system not because of the operating system

>>33551892
What if there was a "Dust" cover?

Would that help immensely?

Only issue the bullets would neet to eject elsewhere.

Maybe downward behind the magazine?

>>33551874
This
Since you can build one for less than $500, plus it's clearly superior to any ak you could buy.

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>>33551623
ar15

>>33551707
To rustle the jimmies of people like you on the internet.

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>>33551572
ar15 of course

>>33551909
yes, if you redesign it into a sealed system, it will fair much better but a detachable mag will still be better because it allows the gun to be emptied without spilling all the loose rounds in the mag.

>>33551948

Ahh ok.

Thanks.

Anywhere we I can find out about different designs of parts and features with positive and negatives of them?

Like different mag releases etc.

>>33551948
It also allows you to reload the gun without having to manually put in one round at a time. Plus the closed off system would remove the ability to use stripper clips.

>>33551572
I wish they would figure out a way to drop the guns in the mud rather than pouring it over the receiver. It would be far more realistic

>>33551902
Yes but the slow-mo footage shows the gas ports on the BCG blowing away mud before extracting the round, giving less chance for mud to enter while cycling.

>>33551982
>Thanks.
ok, but the reason the ar did so well is because it's a sealed system

>>33551969
check ian's facebook and youtube, he should have plenty of links for that stuff

>>33551975
this, they make $4k/month for that channel alone, you think they would be able to buy a large(2'x4') plastic container or maybe an old truck tool box

>>33552016
Forgotten weapons?

>>33552016
>but the reason the ar did so well is because it's a sealed system

Technically not when the rifle is cycling, and its interesting to see if the gas ports on the BCG maybe in a factor in keeping dirt out of the action while firing.

Wonder how an MCX would do. It worked on sending those queers in FL to hell and it's basically sealed like an AR upper wise. Wonder if water egress would fuck with the springs like it did in MACs test.

And F2000 would probably be mint. PS90 less so as seen by the RDB.

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>>33551572
still no Mud test with the free Bulgaria AK

Karl is cancer

>>33552068
explain

>>33552044
yup

>>33552048
when the bolt is all the way back, the ar is like every other gun where only the bore is tossing gas into the receiver.
the advantage the ar has is how the opening is angled, it's got a bit of an outward flare making it difficult for shit to fall in the action.

>>33552072
people are convinced that expnsive AKs will magically perform better even though the deign is shit. Meanwhile poorfag nigger tier plastic lowered AR lower/stock single piece abortions run 100%. As do expensive oldfag M16s/Nam era SP-1s.

I kinda wish they would do one that's more realistic like "oops I am poor peasant soldier who drop gun in mud" not just piling it on and basically forcing it in.

>>33552072
people complained that the Romania part kit built in the AK mud test have a G-2 trigger

the G-2 trigger cause the bolt to hang up, the same phenomenal as seen in the mud test video
it can be fix easily and a well know problem
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krtsjUKrLmo

Karl got a free Bulgaria AK from Arsenal, never mud test it, instead he made 10 video about he not hate the AK and slavshit in general

>>33552094
>people are convinced that expnsive AKs will magically perform better

but it is true

just watch the AKOUL sand tornado test

>>33552052
What's your logic here? The ps90 is more of a closed system than the ar15?

>>33552107
i think the reason they don't is to not get mud in places it doesn't matter so it's less work to clean.

>>33552145
you mean the test where the cheap ar outperformed all the ak's?

>>33552158
downward ejection exposes the action to mud, see mud test of the RDB.

>>33552163
all Bulgaria rifle passed those test with zero malfunction

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>>33551623
The AR15. Cheaper, more modular, and more reliable than anything else.

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>>33552118
> made 10 video about he not hate the AK and slavshit in general
What did he mean by this.
Also did he get a 7.62 or a 5.45 ak?

>>33552191
oh

>>33552068
>>33552118
>Butthurt Slavs

>>33551884
FAL did worse than the SKS though.

>>33552249
a 5.45 AK

during the AK mud test shit storm, he upload many video with AK and Russian gear and go one Facebook and post about trainning with AK and stuff

it was full on damage control

Fuck off with your AR shit
Bushmaster ACR for life!

>>33552178
A. Dust cover on ejection port
B. Bolt is closed over ejection port
C. Even with an open bolt there is nowhere exposed for mud to go.

>>33552118
Don't arsenal rifles come with g2 triggers?

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>>33552428
no, it comes with a two stage trigger and i really hate it. Most of my other friend who have it also arent a big fan of it, but i know a couple guys who actually prefer the two stage trigger.
I personally find g2 to be more tolerable, but theyre both shit compared to my alg.
t. arsenal owner

>>33552052
"It worked on sending those queers in FL to hell" It takes a special level of asshole to side with ISIS. I hope you ND and blow your own brain outs you shitstain.

>>33551910
>tfw SKS's now cost more than AR-15's
How the mediocre have fallen

>>33552410
if only the video I referenced multiple times addressed this. fuck off retard.

>>33552507
>fags
>ISIS
easy choice, especially when they barricade doors like the mentally ill faggots they are and murder their own. basically ISIS tier anyway with their militant cocksucking being included into every facet of our lives.

>>33551572
Slavaboos must frankly be suicidal at this point

Man, are the ARfags annoying.

>>33551623
So the SKS failed a test that gorillion other guns failed. Are you going to value a rifle by failing at one thing that's pretty unlikely to happen in the first place? Dunno about woods where you're at, but mud doesn't rain from the sky and dunking your rifle in a pit of mud and firing it immediately after is just dumb anyways.

That being said, I didn't think it'd fail to extract that bad.

>>33551652
Pretty. What were you blasting? That's a lot of dust/debris being kicked up.

>>33551909
the type 38 arisaka might be a good example of what you mean

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>>33551572
I wonder how they get the guns they test. I live in Arizona and would be down with letting them borrow pic related, to see if a piston ar holds up the same as the DI ones they've tested.

>>33553531
My assumption is that it would do as well, but if enough mud got up in the handgaurd slots it might gum up the piston and cause a jam.

>>33552662
Does the video show a ps90? Because the rdb is wholly different. Not defending the p90, but you're doing the equivalent of saying the ar and AK have the exact same reliability and faults because they eject out the right hand side. Which makes you look pretty retarted.

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>>33551623
Glock fowty

>>33551707
This

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[autistic slavaboo povertyfag screeching]

>>33552507

shariah law is the only thing that save america.

http://dvmusa.com/blog/2010/04/02/guns-the-kalashnikov-rifle-in-security-contracting
GUNS: The Kalashnikov Rifle in Security Contracting
http://dvmusa.com/blog/2011/03/28/the-kalashnikov-rifle-in-security-contracting-part-2
GUNS: The Kalashnikov Rifle in Security Contracting - Part 2

Romanian AK’s are the bomb

Out of all the AK’s here in Iraq the Romanian AK’s are far superior to all others I have used. I tested 6 Romanian AK’s by firing thousands of rounds through them every week and then storing them in a damp conex over a 6 month period without a single cleaning and they still ran like new.

Those Romanian AK’s are still going to this day [coming up on 8 months without cleaning]. Even more impressive some of the Romanian AK’s I use and test were made as far back as 1961.

So if you are working in Iraq and you have a choice, get your hands on Romanian made AK’s

On a side note I tried to do the same thing with an M4 and it didn’t make it to the second week before it stopped feeding rounds completely.

>>33552240

isnt it kinda sad that half a century has passed and nothing has surpassed this gun yet?

>>33553656
Whats that piece of shit get an AR-15!!!

>>33552507
Carry harder you faggot. It's a shame you weren't one of the fags who got theirs at that club.

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>>33553844
Okay.

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>>33553656
Beautiful. Something about SKS's in nature/outside.

Also,
[screeeeech]

>>33551572
>A completely open top rifle from over half a century ago that was replaced pretty much two years after it's adoption isn't a great gun
I'm shocked!

>>33553766
M4 wasnt kept wet i take it? what kind of a round count?

>>33551572
Oh hey, another test of how guns fail if they're not impervious to literal rocks in the action. I'm sure this'll be a good thread

>>33553974
read the link.

I have joined my country's Army several years ago.
I hate to clean AR, M14 was more easier to clean.

>>33554025
>I hate to clean AR, M14 was more easier to clean.
Fuckin' lol.

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SLAVSHIT BTFO

>>33553826
It's kind of crazy, yeah.

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Can someone change this to AR-15 since so far it is really the only innawoods rifle?

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>>33554698
>>33553826
>implying
the true champion has already come and gone.

>>33554873

>can someone change this meme so that my internet friends don't make fun of me for owning a cowaduty mall ninja range queen anymore

>>33554932
Did you know the only people who use green text without quoting are redditors?

>>33554047
this. I was going to comment on how fucking stupid it was but then I realized if he had recent M14 experience he was either reservist baltnigger or a jungle midget Philippians.

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>>33551572
cyka blyat, why you haf mek me sad ameriki. I try hards to make glorious carbine for mother country

>>33554962
>you must be new here
>kindly see yourself out

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>>33554873

>>33554986
Can't wait to see your reddit spacing.

>>33554962

what's wrong with you?

>>33551572
These videos are pure AIDS.
AR15's are the most unreliable service rifle put into service. InRange TV is a trash teir channel.
https://youtu.be/vjMH94PuT_I
There are VOLUMES of eyewitness accounts, military tests, and documented after action reviews of AR's failing in combat.
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/the-usas-m4-carbine-controversy-03289/
That's way SOCOM went piston, that's way the USMC went piston.

>>33551623
AK, sure its not reliable if you pour mud into it but it will last without proper maintenance far longer than an AR will,

>>33555033
You hit the shift key to use a question mark but won't use the shift key to capitalize the W in what's. Redditors are so easy to spot.

>>33551572

Wasn't it kind of obvious that the SKS would have trouble with mud? The fact that its entire top is open to get gummed up with mud and shit means it would be prone to jams if you submerged the thing in mud.

What would be more interesting to see is if you got a bunch of guns filled with mud so they couldn't fire, but then rated them on how easy it was to clean to them out without any sort of tools besides maybe a rag and a stick.

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>>33555074

thanks for answering my question.

>>33553766
>WASR master race.

>>33555088
You're welcome.

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>>33555051
are you upset?

>>33555126
What rifle bit him? A fucking Lahti?

Obligatory

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IJU0zm1glY

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>>33555079
>Wasn't it kind of obvious that the SKS would have trouble with mud?

It should be kind of obvious that shovelling mud onto a rifle isn't representative of any real-world situation. The SKS, AK, AR-16, etc. all have fine records in sustained combat conditions, and yet here we are.

Instead of opening up discussion about what reliability actually means, it's just low-effort TFB TV levels of clickbait shit to perpetuate retarded memeing rather than furthering any sort of discourse or productive discussion.

>>33555189
You should also post the video where they used a BCM rifle and it passed the test flawlessly.

But yeah not all ARs are made equal and I'm not a fan of DD personally.

>>33554982
Go away boris and make more videos.

>>33551707
Also explains why the Chinese stuck with the SKS - they don't have mud in China.

Oh great, another "I acted like an idiot and abused the fuck out of this gun/knife/gear by doing something with it that it was never intended to do, and lookie here - it broke! What a piece of shit!" video. You know, exactly like that video where Nutnfancy smacked the spine of some Cold Steel knife against a rock until it broke. I can just imagine these guys doing car videos: "I drove my car drunk and blindfolded backwards down a freeway after not putting oil in it for a year, and for some reason it didn't work out well!"

So what's the fucking point of this video? To show us that literally every mechanical device in the world requires a certain modicum of maintenance in order to continue to function properly? Well thanks, but I'm not a pants-on-head retard, so I already had that figured out. Other than that, this is a waste of my time.

>>33554962
>implying

>>33551909
Done that, it helps.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0msFCTY7hI

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>>33552052
>Wonder how an MCX would do.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LFCQVLsrnk

What actually would be interesting is fish ARX100 gun. Heard rumors that despite been goofy gun it demonstrated itself as best from reliability point of view.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=synlZgnTnXg

>>33555079
http://youtu.be/TEWAbN938Ro
AK-47 Filled With Fruitcake

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>>33551902

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>>33555284
>It should be kind of obvious that shovelling mud onto a rifle isn't representative of any real-world situation.
>fall into mud pit with your rifle
>oh wait i forgot there are no falling down mechanics in the FPS games, silly me

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>>33552716
I was shooting a 1.5lbs tannerite target with airburst effect. It was suspended on a thin river cane pole

>>33558758
I've never fell into a mud pit with a rifle in hand because I'm not a bumbling fatass like 90% of /k/

>fps

Got me to reply 3/10

In my military experience, AR is good Gun. light and accuracy, but it need clean.
Mud and water are not easy to got in the AR receiver. But if they GOT in the receiver(fall into a swmp or tropical Cloudburst fuckin' rain), cleaning the AR receiver will take more time then other old school military rifle.

Every gun have its break point. A old gun like M14 or SKS is open top, so the mud will go in, but cleaning it isn't so difficult.

And without mud problem, AR need Clean after some shot to make it works well. M14 also need that, but as I say ,is easier .

Sure, for this problem, the King of semi-auto battle rifle is still AK-47. A 10 years old kid can learn how to clean a AK in few hours, and AK also need clean but much less than a AR, or SKS.

And as I know , Chinese PLA like SKS because its more accuracy than AK in semi-auto shot.They made Type 81 Rifle to replace their AK and SKS both. Type 81 looks like AK, but mechanism is more like a SKS.
Sri Lankan use the chinese T81 to end the civil war finally. and a few amount of T81 are used in Myanmar civil war.

>>33559130
>I've never fell into a mud pit with a rifle in hand because I don't own a rifle

Ftfy

>>33559130
>i am literally infallible

>>33558488
I never really got a look at the MCX internals before that video. It's literally a Milled reciver ar18, neat.

>>33551572
Frankly, all I really want is a SCAR 17S mud test.
That, and a test of something with an adjustable gas system with an "adverse" setting.

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>>33558758
>oh wait i forgot there are no falling down mechanics in the FPS games, silly me

Why don't you watch this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYfGq1yk66Q

Notice how they have to press the rifles into the mud and slide them around on the action? That still isn't even close to how much mud is on top of most of the rifles in these tests. Does it really have to be mentioned that if you were a real shooter in a real shooty shooty, you wouldn't be so grossly negligent?

Simply stated, if you think that propping a rifle up on a wheel barrow and shoveling mud onto it is similar to falling into mud, it's probably because you've never walked through mud deep enough to submerge a rifle into anyways. Don't worry though! The AR-15 is the *most reliable rifle on earth* and you'll never have to worry about getting ambushed by a wheelbarrow full of mud next time you shoot it off a bench at the 300m range.

>>33551893
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYfGq1yk66Q

MAS49/56 uses DGI.

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>>33551572
What camo is he wearing and where can i get it?

>>33551948
What if I had both?
A mag and a cover on the top to use stripper clips?

In the event you only have one mag.

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>>33561739
AK can do that just need a custom select to hold the bolt back.
AK can shoot without receiver cover.

>>33561861
Which one?

Is the receiver cover completely removed or does it flip open?

>>33561713
Zfn-WerhAboo '45
commonly available

>>33561713
appears to be a German pattern or a derivative of such, but the garment itself has his channel's logo on it so maybe the have a storefront

>>33561870
https://youtu.be/4Ovyeoyl29I
sorry, I forget not only the bolt but gas piston will block the top of magazine.

Well, if you live somewhere like California that you can't buy a Rifle with detachable magazine, old school open top clip feedable auto rifle is still good choice. Just learn how to clean it.

BTW, I remember Norinco made a model called SKS-M can use AK detachable magazine.

>>33562026

I'm just theorizing gun designs that's all.

Do you think a forked design might work?

>>33562039
Forked design rifle worked in some Hell like WW2 and Vietnam War.
Without pistol grip and straight stock, they are not suitable to full auto. But in semi-auto shooting they are still accuracy enough.
Because their iron sight are closer to the barrel than modern style auto-rifle like AR, in semi-auto shooting without scope they are easier to shoot accuracy, just like old bolt-action rifle.

>>33562106

How would a pistol grip and straight stock affect it?

Any examples of firearms that used this?

>>33562106
Also is there a difference between the gas block being on the bottom or the top?

What are the pros and cons

>>33562127

http://blog.1800gunsandammo.com/six-easy-ways-to-tame-long-gun-recoil/
Six Easy Ways to Tame Long Gun Recoil

>>33562232
I meant affect the forked design.

Sorry for being unclear, not the way the gun works :P

>>33562225
The gas system on the bottom make the sight line closer to the barrel and easy to feed bullet from top.
The Machine Gun like PKM or FN MAG is still use lower gas system.
The gas system on the top are just the opposite.

>>33562225
You don't want the magazine on the top because it would get in the way of the sights. You need the gas block and piston to press on the bolt, and everybody likes a (mostly) symmetric design. If it's on the bottom, it has to get around the magazine somehow. In Garands and the like, this means it needs an oprod that sits to the side of the action. If it's on top, this problem disappears and the force from the gas can travel back in a straight line above the action to the bolt. This works fine as long as you don't need to load stripper clips. In rifles that use them, they use a short recoil system so that the piston doesn't block the stripper clip's path.

>>33562274
Thanks.

I guess I'll just use the stripper for the magazine.

So stripper clips only work with certain magazines?

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>>33562243
Look at this.
The AR has a very big iron sight and the Mini -14's iron sight are smaller.

>>33562289
You shouldn't need clips for any rifle, but any rifle really designed around using them (bolt action rifles, early open topped semi-autos) almost always have clip guides on the bolt. Unless your ammo all comes on stripper clips, don't bother trying to use them to fill magazines.

>>33552716
it's not meant to be a perfect simulator, it's a worst case.
and from the worst case, you can extrapolate what a normal scenario would be.
in short: sks a shit

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And look the line link the shooter's eye and the iron sight.

>>33562299
Also (not that anon), the gas system is under the barrel, bringing the barrel more in line with the sights. The SKS has has the barrel on the bottom and the gas system on top, so the sites are closer ot the bore and don't require a big post in front.

>>33562299

I understand that the sites will be closer to the barrel.

>>33562314
Now I'm confused.

So is the barrel being closer to the sites better or the has system?

>>33562300
I understand. I guess I'll ditch that then.

What design would be better for a dmr, Bullpup or the standard ?

>>33551572
Cetme did it better

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>>33562339
Standard.
Because the Bullpup design make trigger far from the fire action system.

What do you think about shell deflectors?

Specifically for bulpups

>>33562364
Thanks

>>33551572
grab AR-15, go innawoods

>>33562326
The barrel being closer to the sights isn't that important so long as its taken into account when the sights are designed. This is why most modern guns have recoil that travels straight back into the shooter's shoulder and sights higher above the bore axis.

Really, if you're interested in such things, I'd suggest binge watching Forgotten Weapons. He disassembles guns, critiques poorly designed trials guns, and generally provides a lot of information about firearm design. It sounds like you have a lot to learn, so if you're thinking of designing anything other than a mockup or just expanding your knowledge, you should research a lot more and hang around for a few years.

>>33562383
Thanks.
I understand that its the recoil which is primarily being solved.
I have watched a few..

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>>33551623
M95 Russian.
>zero malfunctions on mud test
>that 7.62x54R power
>loads easily with stripper clips
>sexy as fuck

Ridiculous. Putting my sks up for sale. The just gets better with time.

>>33553531
E-mail them nigger

>>33553656
SKS's aren't even poorfag guns anymore sadly.

>>33555126
context?

>>33551707
they do it for the (you)s and the money that comes from the (views).

>>33552507
>Quotation marks instead of greentext
>Butthurt over dead fags

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>>33561383
Pretty much this.
Also, that pic is fukken a e s t h e t i c. What tree is that and where are you from?

>>33551623
PSL.

>>33562693
Reddit uses ">" just like we do, and for when we use green text for emphasis, a redditor would use * ... * for italics.

quotes like that are 8ch syntax for italics. dude is an 8ch user.

>>33562529
Depends where you live. In Canada, it costs less than 200 USD to get a Russian SKS.

>>33551909

The bullets eject from the barrel at around 2800-3000 fps m8

>>33562529
Tr00 enough. There went 2/3rds of the appeal...

>>33563247
>8ch user.
fucking pedo, also a queer. checks out desu.

>>33564198

I meant shells, kek.

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Guys, how about a Kel Tec SU-16 ?

>>33564951
Sorry, wrong post