ITT: We post the worst guns in history

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Nigga

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>>33550787

the reason we lost nam

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>>33550787
>not seeing the chuachat as the first response
ya'll niggas is slow

>>33551458
obligatory post about how the chauchat in its native caliber wasn't actually shit and blah blah 308

>>33551475
caliber doesn't matter when your magazines HAVE A FUCKING OPENING ON THEIR SIDES

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Beepedy Bahpedy, why-a you jam-a

>>33551458
The Italian Breda 30 was objectively worse despite having an enclosed magazine and coming some 25 years later.

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>>33551374
Beat me to it

>>33551374
Newfag to /I/ and pretty new to guns in general, is this a meme? What's wrong with glocks?

>>33551547
thats because it's Italian.

>>33551571
Nothing. If you're a fag. You a fag, anon?

>>33551605
N-no

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>>33550787

>>33551571
>>33551605
Shit. Sorry. My baser nature got the best of me. It's a board meme aimed at pissing off glock fags and the whole "glock perfection" ethos. Nothing more.

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>>33551571
Why Glocks are bad sit in three categories, listed from biggest issues to least issues,
>The owners are fucking obnoxious faggots
>It's ugly
>Reliability
There are no greater faggots in the world of firearms than Glock shills. These are the most obnoxious, annoying retarded firearm owners you will meet next to the proper definition of Fudds.

The gun is plain ugly, hideous and ghastly in appearance.

With a tagline like "perfection", and every Glock shill saying it's flawless, you'd think it wouldn't jam 100% of the time when fired while limp wristed.
It jams 100% of the time when fired while limp wristed.

That being said the last one is more of a complaint than an issue.
Also it's a big nono for concealed carry as it's safety is virtually non-functional, and you have a loaded gun ready to fire pointed at you at all times, so if your holster isn't worth $200, prepare to ND into yourself getting into your car.

>>33551571
Literally nothing, just butthurt fanboys of other handguns.

>>33551674
>With a tagline like "perfection", and every Glock shill saying it's flawless, you'd think it wouldn't jam 100% of the time when fired while limp wristed.
>It jams 100% of the time when fired while limp wristed.
>That being said the last one is more of a complaint than an issue.
>Also it's a big nono for concealed carry as it's safety is virtually non-functional, and you have a loaded gun ready to fire pointed at you at all times, so if your holster isn't worth $200, prepare to ND into yourself getting into your car.

Absolutely none of that is true.

>>33551694
You're fucking retarded

Glocks will always jam when fired limp wristed because of their weight placement.
Literally just google or youtube glock limp wristing you uneducated fucking hillbilly.

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>>33551709
>glocks will always fuck up 100% of the time if you use them wrong!
Even if that weren't a product of your confirmation bias, this is still in no way a condemnation of the Glock itself.

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Without a doubt in my mind. People like to romanticize the BAR but it was a heavy piece of shit made with outdated tactics in mind and woefully useless for the role it was pushed into.

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>>33551549
>Glocknade meme
>Posts a 9

>>33551458
The chauchat gets a pass because it was realistically the first LMG pushed into actual service.

And only then it was only really let down by its magazine. I wonder if any nations ever fixed that mistake.

>>33551709
You seem upset

>>33551709
Why are you shooting limp wristed

>>33551674
>are fucking obnoxious faggots
So they're like you, but own a Glock? Cause you're sperging out like an obnoxious faggot right now friendo.

>>33551774
He's a faggot

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>>33551735
Back On-topic, the M60
inb4
>but it ran fine in 'Nam
This thing's design was just fucked and is a stunning example of how the U.S. shits the bed when it comes to interwar military development. Before Vietnam it was shit, after Vietnam it continued being shit and nothing was done about it.

For those that don't know:
>quick change barrel system with no forward handguard, literally have to use a fire glove to change barrels
>gas system shoots itself loose immediately, had to be wired on in nearly all field models
>gas system can be reassembled after field strip in such a way that the gun becomes straight pull single shot
>all weight on front end due to retarded bipod placement, same weight on every barrel change assembly
>Trigger shoots itself loose and will fall off, only 1 sheet spring and 1 pin
>auto sear disconnect breaks itself in normal use, leading to gun 'running away'
>top latch components break if forcibly closed while bolt is forward = smashed gun in field use
>bolt peens itself due to retarded kinetic rotation system
>all of these are "known issues" that would cause any other milspec weapon to be rebuilt before deployment
>refurbish system = save the trunnion, replace everything else

And the best part:
>design is a goddamn MG32 duct-taped to a Lewis Gun in fucking 1957

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Nig-tier gun.

>>33551799
Wasn't M60 based on FG42. Design which designers of M60 didn't understand.

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>>33551871
Yep, not sure where he's getting that idea

>>33551871
The gas rod is from an FG42 iirc, but the FG42 got it from the Lewis Gun

>>33551826
When you consider purpose/intent hi points are amazing.

Figure out how to make a better $120 pistol

>>33551571
>/l/

>>33551749
The big issue with the BAR was that the US just kept adding weight to it and not exploring additional functionality. IIRC other countries overhauled the BAR into something much more user-friendly while the US just sat on their hands with it between WWI and II

>>33551774
This is the real question here.

Calling out a weapon's problems doesn't count when you're deliberately misusing the weapon to force it to malfunction.

>>33551385
We weren't issuing 180s in 'Nam.

>>33550787
>reweld/shitty hodgepodge
>curved mags
>ugly as shit
check
>not called
>orkdakka.jpg
it says ur a grot

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>>33551674
>Yfw

>>33550787
you know I think I saw that exact gun at a gun show in costa mesa ca

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>>33551458

Wrong pic

>>33551735
That doesn't make it not poorly designed.

>>33551382
triggered

>>33550787
Not sure what's up with those welds, but the Type 99 was a pretty good LMG for the time.

>>33555161
It was probably a parts kit. Plenty of guys do rewelds with milled AK kits

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>>33551475
As an LMG it wasn't very good compared to others such as the Lewis gun or the Madsen (pic related).
Its long recoil system causes extremely awkward recoil which makes it really hard to keep on target
The magazines have fucking huge holes in them and the mag capacity is shit due to those weird 8mm Lebel mags.

While it wasn't THAT bad, it wasn't good for the time either.

Actual answers :

-Tec 9 and similarly shitty semi-auto only "smgs"
-Streetsweeper and similarly shitty revolving shotguns
-That slam fire shotgun made by a "professional" company, viper something.
-That .223 semi-auto rifle/12g shotgun mix

>>33551547
>>33551541
This. Probably the worst single firearm to be adopted by a military. Literally bad at everything

>>33555210
Hey the Original Crossfire Carbine would've been awesome.

Who the hell wouldn't want a Semi-auto 12 gauge/.308 rifle?

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>>33551541
This and the Type 89 gets my vote

>>33551871
>>33551932
>>33551935
In operation (bolt, bolt carrier, how the trigger interacts with the bolt) the M60 was based off of the FG42 and had a MG34/42 feed system, plus a bunch of just fuck my shit up "improvements" like the gas system and barrel change.
The FG42 used a lot of those elements from the Lewis gun but with a normal recoil spring.

>>33555280
shit meant type 11

>>33555161
A lot of people just dismiss Japanese guns are crap. The only truly "bad" one I know of is the Type 94 pistol.
Everything else could arguably be called dated in the 1940s, but still worked design wise.

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>>33555526
Compared to the US a lot of stuff was outdated, but if we compare Japanese weapons to British ones for example, the difference isn't that bad.
Really the clearest gap in the Japanese armament was the extreme rarity of SMGs. Other than that, all their arms were generally pretty good for the time.

Unless you're facing the yanks with automatics out the wazoo, of course.

That said, I bet the Type 96 must be pretty damn good, being in 6.5mm and all. They even had weird, periscopic scopes on some of them. I bet it would do better as an LMG than a BAR.

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who remember when they adapted the BAR for airships

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>>33557028

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>having a box magazine-fed machine gun in WWII

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I win

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>>33555280
>>33555288
Type 11 is interesting considering what it is. Being able to feed your machine gun not just from common rifle ammo, but from rifle clips every soldier would be carrying makes logistics extremely easy. Which was crucial for Japan supplying island garrisons.
Rate of fire is not great but it's comparable to other Japanese machine guns.

If someone made a semi-auto Type 11 I would be very interested in it.

>>33555831
True. But you get the point.
Outdated does not mean bad. Japan's weapons may not have been the best in WW2 but as guns they were fine. Soldiers using them could trust that they would work and not suffer malfunctions or failures.
It's not about comparisons to what other nations had, it's about if that specific gun was a good design.

>>33557098
What in the fuck?

>>33557439
BROWNINGS
BROWNINGSBROWNINGS

Fuck, I didn't expect to laugh this hard.

>>33557439
You've seen the amount of proof marks on that. So many various nations adopted it, so it MUST be good.

>>33551674
you don't need a fucking $200 holster for a gun that doesn't have a safety, just a holster that matches your fucking gun. at that point its impossible for the trigger to be pulled unless there's something caught inside the holster, which in itself is very, very unlikely. The only thing I can think of is your shirt somehow getting deep in there and wrapping around the trigger, and even then you should be able to notice if your shirt is fucking tucked in your goddamn holster.

>>33557098
If you spray the shit out of them with WD-40, they work pretty good.

>>33552894
exactly

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>>33551541
yeah that even makes the 30-06 cauchaut look good
>>33555280
>M60 was based off of the FG42
directly copied even down to parts that were only required for semi auto, which was reasonable on the fg which fired as a closed bolt semi and open bolt FA whereas the M60 was FA only

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>>33551735
>will always fuck up 100% of the time if you use them wrong!
anything will fuck up if used wrong...soldiers will always use anything they get their hands on wrong

>>33557415

I am not basing this off battlefield accounts but the benet-mercie style MMG/HMG in Rising storm (On the Iwo Jima bunkers) was pretty terrible just because having a stationary heavy machine gun with such a small magazine count completely destroys the purpose of the weapon. Were all Japanese HMG/MMG loading off such an archaic method?

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>>33551541
I'd argue the Breda M1937 was even worse.

>The feed is rather strange as it employs heavy rigid strips holding 20 cartridges. The feed direction is from the left side only.

>After each discharge, empty cases are replaced in the strip before the next round is indexed, so in the field someone has to remove the empty cases from the strips before being able to reload these.

At least the 30 had reasons for being shitty, "ejecting" spent cartridges back into the magazine doesn't make any sense at all.

>>33551749
It was pretty bad by WW2, but at least there were lots of them, they were reliable, and only Germany and Russia really had better machineguns in large numbers.

>>33551571
Basically other pistol holders on /k/ like to hate glocks. No glocks are some of the most reliable guns out there. But they have their issues like shitty stock sights.

To be fair. Almost every handgun these days is fine. Glock, CZ, M&P, SIG, fuck even 1911's if they're made right.

The point is that don't think about it. This place is gun culture and 4chan culture to make some kind of weird fucked up place.

>>33558811
Ch-ch-ch-checked

>>33558909
Type 11 is unique. Other options were the Type 96 and 99 LMGs were like the VZ 26 and Bren- top loaded curved mags of 30 rounds.
Or the Type 3 and 92 which were copies/similar to the French Hotchkiss 1914- fed from ammo rigid ammo strips.

Machine guns were definitely an area Japan was lacking in. Which was not too much of a problem when they were trying to remain mobile and attacking.
It came back to bite them later on in the Pacific when they had to defend.

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>>33558700
Kek

>>33557068
>most of them

>>33558811
>quad-dubs of truth AND a relevant picture
Checked.

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>>33555210
Are you referring to the Cobray Terminator?

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>>33557439
>>33557562
>>33557588

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>Hello there, Mr. Canuck! It sure would be a shame if my bolt slammed back in your face and blew your eye-socket out, now wouldn't it?

>>33561591
except the top one is a 1905

>>33561509

Wauser that's a nice guy.

>>33561509
> Not knowing a geniune Wauser when you see one

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Surprised this hasn't been mentioned yet.

A lot of fuckin memes in here tonight holy shit. This turned into a cancer fest for a minute until some of you started cleaning up again. Thanks..

>>33561763
Hi welcome to memeland home to every meme ever also (you) are the cancer

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>>33561509

Wausers!

>>33551826
This is just wrong. Like the other person that replied to you, Hi-Point is arguably the most American gun company that has ever existed.
>cheap as fuck
>lifetime warranty
>awesome customer service

They basically went out of their way to create an affordable firearm that anyone could own

>>33557432
holy fucking newfaggot

>>33559372
Jap infantry weapons were great when used for their intended purpose, terrorizing Chinese, and Korean civilians.

>>33551571
>ugly
>plastic
>inaccurate
>retarded safety
>hammerless a shit

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>>33561849
I don't get why so many people shit all over hi-points either.

Does it just boil down to the fact that they're not glocks or 1911s?

It's a goddamn x<200 USD handgun, of course there's gonna be build compromises that make it lower-quality.

>>33551571

>What's wrong with glocks?

They're popular, that's what's wrong with them.

How is this a flaw with a pistol? Well, you see, this board, like the rest of 4chan, is infested with contrarian hipster sperglords who hate popular things.

>>33551749
>20 pound **automatic** rifle
>20 round box magazines

>>33561060
>make a shotgun with an incredibly basic ww1-style metal construction
>make it cost almost as much as a pump action shotgun
>make it take 4 times longer than average to reload

Only a company like Cobray could do something like this to the concept of a single shotgun.

>>33559034
>"ejecting" spent cartridges back into the magazine doesn't make any sense at all.
If you're inside of tank it makes quite a lot of sense.

Obviously the rube-goldbergian solutions Italians looked for in LMG's were retarded but this one had some sense.

>>33561849
Can someone give a full rundown on the pros and cons of hi points? Might be fun to buy just for the fuck of it

>>33558909
They worked fine when used in the way MMG/HMG's were used irl. that is sort of long range area denial weapon.

Covering fire is mostly LMG job.

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Wasn't this thing considered a pile of grilled anus?

>>33562321
Super cheap, good warranty, super reliable, great aftermarket.

Terrible quality(key components are done well though, so it's not going to blow up in your face, it's just that it looks cheap as fuck), ugly, poor accuracy(hey, it's blowback!), huge.

The carbines are nice though, you should look them up. Still ugly and cheap looking but very fun.

>>33562260
I think Cobray was a company that just wanted to make guns that would attract gangs as hard as possible but also be the shittiest to use and most unreliable as possible

exactly as planned

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>shitty revolver for its time
>WITH A SAFETY

better order thousands

>>33552884
>>33551735

Majority of handguns have far less of an issue with limp wristing - to the point of almost nonexistent unless you are holding it with an auschwitz survivor's grip. Glock is exceptionally delicate and sensitive to limp-wristing. Ergo, something is wrong with glocks that is not wrong with any other handgun of similar type and caliber (or wrong to that degree). It's not something fundamentally wrong with the action or caliber or nature of a handgun, it's something explicitly wrong with glocks. Again, all handguns can suffer from limp wristing but none are so sensitive about it as glock.

>>33562321
Pro
>You can send a jar of metal shavings to the manufacturer and get a functioning gun back under warranty.
>Cheap as fuck
>Goes bang
>Over built action is almost impossible to KB

Con
>Ugly
>Single stack only
>Roughy the size and shape of a standard masonry brick
>Ugly
>The trigger feels like it is on a return sponge, not a return spring

>>33562350
>Terrible quality
no, just because it looks cheap that doesn't make it low quality - unlike a Glock it will NEVER become a grenade.
>poor accuracy(hey, it's blowback!)
You stupid, stupid cunt, the fixed barrel in a blowback will provide greater accuracy than any other system, especially the tilting barrel of most pistols sold today.
>huge
it's practically identical in size to a Glock, you absolute cunt, it's just that the slide looks bigger.

>>33562350
Thanks. I've seen videos of the carbines and they look like legitamitely decent funs. Only downside I can see in the carbines is the magazine.

Just how bad is the inaccuracy in the pistol?

>>33562388
>>Terrible quality
>no, just because it looks cheap that doesn't make it low quality - unlike a Glock it will NEVER become a grenade.
That's not what he means.
The gun is a half step away from potmetal. Sure it wont KB, but the actual materials used are very cheap, hence why the gun is entirely over-engineered and xboxhuge

>>33562388
>it's practically identical in size to a Glock, you absolute cunt, it's just that the slide looks bigger.
You've never held a Glock, or a Hi-point

>You stupid, stupid cunt, the fixed barrel in a blowback will provide greater accuracy than any other system, especially the tilting barrel of most pistols sold today.
You've never fired a hi-point

>no, just because it looks cheap that doesn't make it low quality - unlike a Glock it will NEVER become a grenade.
I'm >>33562394
Didn't read your entire post before I replied, re-read it and realized how fucking stupid you are.

>>33562388
>>33562393
>Just how bad is the inaccuracy in the pistol?
It's not inherent like for example in open-bolt SMG's, in fact in single shot it is quite accurate but follow up shots are going to be a pain because it's blowback, that's how blowbacks are.

Overall those are good guns, just cheap.

>>33551528
It does matter because the caliber conversion was done poorly. The .308 version was objectively much worse because the system was designed for it.

You can fix the magazine problem with sheet metal.

>>33551528
It matters when it comes to things like ejectors breaking after 200 rounds(well it turns out that rimmed cartridges use bigger ejectors which weren't changed to make them fit well in gun redesigned to 30-06.

>>33562500
extractors, sorry

>>33551762
wrong. Masden lmg is fking way better and saw serve in ww2

>>33559034
not even close, with a crew of three this could continually fire with out stopping, you could load the stripper clip in with the last rounds from the other were being fired https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8nBcS8X1yw

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>>33551749
makes a surprisingly nice assault rifle

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>>33551571

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>>33555210
>Tec 9

>>33561591
>putting your rifle back together fucking upside down so the locking lugs dont engage

Holy shit, you're right, it is really shitty when its not put together correctly just like EVERYTHING.

>>33555208
yeah but here's the catch
compared to the Lewis gun, it weighted nothing
and while madsens are great there werent nearly enough, while the chauchat was being mass produced
Ian did say you get used to the recoil after shooting with it for a bit but the low ass ROF makes it very easy to keep your shots where you want them
the mags were dogshit but second gen chauchats with straight 20 round mags worked very fine

>>33562346
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=folybZhun9M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dc87joWmHFo
SUPERIOR NIPPON HANDGUN
FOLDED ONE BILLION TIMES

>>33562401
You're both silly, ignorant niggers. S&W SDVE is the choice of the true patrician.

>>33562738
The Lewis gun was definitely more GPMG than LMG though. It had considerably more firepower and a bigass cooling thing.

Considering it only weighed slightly more than an MG-34, it was a fantastic gun for its time, I'd much rather have a guy lugging a Lewis than a Chauchat with me.

>>33562346
you can nd if you push on the side of it the wrong way

>>33551458
I see this here so often that I'm getting rather fondof it. I want to build one and do a mud test.

>>33559034
EH MERIN
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VTI0gev120

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>>33551571
>/l/
Don't worry I got you

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>>33551528
It's not the only ww1 gun with an open mag design, far from it.

>>33562720
>His rifle can be put back together wrong.

>>33563949
DELETE

>>33551627
Alex pls go

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>>33551796

>>33563650
The safety does stop that from happening.

>>33564186
not after the update

>>33562699
*battle rifle

>>33551674
is this a copy pasta or is he just a fucking retard?

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Incest is just a word

>>33557415
The logistic advantage is nonexistent, because the type 11 requried weaker "gunso" rounds, similar to the ones used in the type 97 sniper rifle.

I think the japs really lacked standatised cartrigdes. They had(without tracers and similar) three different 6.5 cartrigdes, four different 7.7 cartrigdes, .303 Brit for aircraft guns, two different 8mm Nambu cartridges + revolver ammunition + .32 acp, because many officers preffered other pistols over the nambu.

>>33557098
Well at least it works...sometimes

>>33558909
i bet you're one of those autistic faggots on the uk servers

>>33557098
This reminds me, before the company that did this went full retard on the zip gun, didn't they have a really neat plausibly useful weapon concept of some sort? An SMG or something? I've totally forgotten what exactly it was because they wiped their website of references to it, but I knew I was interested in it way back when as a dumb shit teen.

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>>33551528

>>33559034
Unlike the breda 30, the 37 was actually good.
Basically u had a gunner shooting and a loader constantly loading strips into the gun.

>ejecting" spent cartridges back into the magazine doesn't make any sense at all
Ever heard of reloading?
>so in the field someone has to remove the empty cases from the strips before being able to reload these
Only a moron can think this was actually done on the field.

>>33551627
DELET THIS

>>33568253
honestly now, a dp 28 sounds much more practical than that little reloader and his small 20 or 30 round bunch of bullets

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>>33550787
Shittiest gun ever

>>33563949
yet those openings are not located where they will be shoved in the mud while prone

>>33558700
Lmao

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>>33568481
especially in it's native environment

>>33568533
the fuck is up with that handguard?

>>33568541
it is made of curry poo

>>33568541
The furniture is the least of the INSAS's problems

>>33551674
I think glocks are really aesthetic. Much better looking than an HK. But that's just me. Glocks are also one of if no the most common gun in America so it makes sense you would have more pictures of catastrophic malfunctions of them. Any gun can blow up, and it is most likely caused by overcharged factory ammo or poorly loaded handloads.

4chan has a penchant for disliking something that someone likes if they particularly don't like that person. Glocks are good pistols. Very reliable ones at that.

I agree with you about the safety though, that's the only thing that concerns me. My friend CC's a Glock 21 without a holster and I'm paranoid of the day that he ND's. With a proper holster (it doesn't have to cost $200) and careful holstering, NDing isn't really a huge concern.

Let me guess, you're all about Sigs aren't you?

>>33551709

You have to be holding the pistol so loosely that you have zero control over its recoil in order to make it jam. Like, archery-tier grip. If I did that w/ a .357 revolver it might hit me in the forehead.

On a totally unrelated note, did you know that if you shoulder an AK upside down, you can't use the sights? What a useless piece of shit.

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This thread is chock full of AR shills

>>33558781
Source on the semi auto parts being kept in the design?

>>33557028

I could see it making sense if you had 2-3 guys with BARs, extendo clipazines, and no windows in their compartment. Looks like they went with a fixed field of fire tho.

>>33568972
Still wouldn't have really worked, the BAR is just too slow firing to excel in that use.

>>33568881
not true, it can be limpwristed a lot easier than that

>>33557861
Oh go on then

>>33561849
If Hi-Point was a person I would hug it.
>nice
>tries to do the best they can with what they have
>never try to Jew anyone
>reliable
>unpretentious
>no bullshit except the part on their website where they say the finish on their grips are nice lel-oh-lel

>>33558811
acknowledging the quad dubs

>>33561591
Ian did a video on this you bleach chugger

>>33551826
In the words of DUGAN

>shitty but lethal

>>33562358
that is one aesthetic revolver

>>33562715
sshhiiiiieeett

>>33562637
the chauchat served WW1

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>>33557439

>BROWNINGS
>BROWNINGS
>BROWNINGS
>BROWNINGS
>MAUSER
>MAUSER

>>33568991
Airships can't carry a significant amount of ammunition

>>33551571
>>33551674
They're fine except for gen 4 which stovepipe and explode hence the meme. Rest are fine

>>33551694
You can make any blow back pistol jam if you limp wrist it bad enough. Limp wristing absorbs recoil impulse from the gun so instead of allowing the recoil spring to work in absorbing the movement of the slide, you do the work with your wrist and arms and the slide looses momentum and doesn't travel as far.

>>33558909

Nothing wrong with the Hotchkiss clone, they were reliable as fuck.

You just need a second dude to shove the clips in, and since you need a bunch of guys to carry ammo and the gun around that's not a big deal.

Also that was basically their only MMG

>>33562715

Hey, ghetto blasters are legit, even if they have no accuracy

>my grandfather died & left a full auto tec 9
>grandma gave it away to a gun buyback

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>>33555210
>That .223 semi-auto rifle/12g shotgun mix
The 90s really were a simpler time.

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>>33557098
>doesn't have an exceptionally high chance of shooting the owner's foot while re-holstering

No you don't.

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>gun is a spent cannon round case duct taped to a stick
>mfw still illegal in California

>>33566518
*heavy counter assault rifle

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>>33551374
>worst guns in history
>posts a grenade

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>>33573715
It counters assault rifles

>>33551595
Italian weapon are so bad?

>>33567773
if you believe anything lindybeige has ever said you have pure autism

>>33575409
Based Mil Hist Visualized called him out pretty hard on a couple of occasions. He had some pretty dumb conclusions about stuff, compared with MHV

>>33562283
How is it make more sense than judt dumping it in a bag under the mg like everybody else does?

>>33562358
To be fair, it's big enough to double as a club.

>>33563922
wheezing