The Daily Reminder Thread

>>33543564
Don't forget your Ballistic Advantage™ barrel!

I'll go next: Paying for an expensive rollmark is completely fine considering you won't be lumped in the same category as Anderson and PSA and Aero fags that think their garage builds are on par with LMT and KAC. Not saying OP is one of those fags, but I have my suspicions.

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>>33543564
Paying a little more for a non-terrible rollmark is money well-spent.

>>33543618
>lumped
Are we using weapons of war or fashion accessories?

Aero precision makes lowers for many gucci tier brands. Your build quality is going to be determined more by choices in upper, barrel, trigger, buffer, handguard, optics etc

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>>33543618
People that think "pedigree" matters in an AR build are the fucking worst. The reason they think their aero build is just as good as lmt is because it basically is. Unless you cheaped out on the wrong parts, you aren't getting anything out of the extra 1.5k you spent.

>>33543564
>muh barbie accessories is better than yours

>>33543564
>Vortex is just as good as Kahles at 1/2 the price!!!111XD

Every time.

It is inconceivable another person's budget is different than yours, and may perhaps be willing to pay for a different roll mark.

Obviously though, this isn't the case because the only company that sells lower receivers is Aero Precision. Nobody else has ever sold a different lower receiver.

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Daily reminder that the ak platform is horribly outdated with an awkward manual of arms, inability to mount optics properly, and intended to be discarded when showing problems rather than repaired

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>>33543874
>Are we using weapons of war or fashion accessories?

What are you trying to imply? That "weapons of war" can't have aesthetically pleasing rollmarks? I'm familiar with Aero and while it's nice, its hardly the end all be all of AR's.

>>33543564
>2017
>not milling your own lower receiver out of a billet of aluminium

>>33544125
>inability to mount optics properly
The side rail is God-tier, shut your mouth.

>>33544123
Ironically, only a handful of places actually manufacture lower receivers. They change the rollmark and send them to other companies who have to sell them at a higher cost to make a profit.

Buying a kac lower over an aero lower affords you no increase in quality. The same cannot be said when purchasing an aimpoint over a vortex. If you want to buy a more expensive lower for the rollmark that's fine, just don't delude yourself as to why you're doing it.

It hurts because it's true.

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>>33543589
BA does have a bretty aesthetic rollmark desu senpai

>>33544151
Enjoy your off center optic

ITT poorfag insecurity

>>33544187
>t. Someone with more disposable income than good sense

>>33544158
The word you are looking for is "Forging".

LMT, CMT, Cerro, Smith and Wesson, and a few others.

It is further diffused by limited numbers of these companies choosing to broach magwells, or in turn limited numbers of end machining/retailers abilities to broach magwells or not (protip you average CNC equipment is not capable of this)

Most billet manufacturers do not produce receivers based on forgings (there are some limited, strange processes out there) and do their own production in house.

Buying an SR15 lower over Aero gets me a much better designed ambidextrous forged lower than Aeros shoehorning of PDQ bolt catch or outdated norgon magazine release

>>33544187
When your aero precision lower has a geiselle trigger, geiselle buffer, lmt sopmod stock , kac trigger guard, and a rainier arms upper with mlok, aimpoint pro, and kac irons its pretty hilarious to call it a poorfag build

>>33544158
But why stop there? Why not just get $30 Andersons if we don't give a shit about rollmarks and our only concern is it's base utility?

The rollmark pissing matches that always erupt online are all the result of people projecting their budgets onto others. If I'm hilariously rich, and want to build an AR, why would I forgo a KAC IWS lower over a PSA complete? Alternatively, if I'm a regular guy with a regular paycheck and have regular kids to feed, why the fuck would I buy a Noveske N4 Billet lower when it does the same thing as an Aero?

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Reminder that if you own any soviet handgun that it is a stolen and copied design.

>>33544244
If it were an Anderson or Windham it would still be a poorfag build tho, amirite?

>>33544223
Lefties are an abomination and I'm ok with them paying a tax for their deficiencies. An AR is less safe with ambi controls

>>33544307
> An AR is less safe with ambi controls

Time to stop posting

So do you guys all make these assault rilfes from different pieces, or what? I don't own a gun but this looks a lot like /r/buildapc to me. The rifle thing is like your custom PC build and you put different scopes and watercoolers and LEDs all over it, but they all end up looking fairly similar in the end.

>>33544325
>aero lowers are inferior
> cites a totally niche feature that most shooters wouldn't utilize

Really tickles the almonds

>>33544335
your perception is 100% accurate

>>33544338
>makes blanket statement
>it doesn't cover everything
>hurr durr

Kill youself

>>33544335
Anything that can be built of parts will have the potential for discussions over what parts to use. Thank you for displaying your autism and immediately running to the PC building comparison

>>33544335
Uhh guys, I think a redditor wandered into /k/.

>>33544355
You convinced me, I'm buying an overpriced lower with features that only make remote sense for degenerate lefties and faggots who don't understand how to use a bolt catch properly

>>33544307
>having an opinion regarding handedness
>having this much free time
retarded

>>33544338
>Most shooters wouldn't utilize

Why do I, the consumer, give a shit about the needs and wants of "most shooters". I like having right side bolt release because I can actuate it with my firing hand. Nice try moving goal posts too, faggot, explain how a ambi lower is "less safe", and please try to not sound like a retard whilst doing so.

>>33544390
Why would you ever need to manipulate the bolt release with your firing hand? And yes, having a safety on a side you'll never use means it's more likely to be engaged by something you didn't intend

>>33544451
Top kek

>>33544390
>hurr nobody will use this feature

>>33544451
>so now let me cite something that will never happen to make my point about a feature nobody uses

Interesting how a safety selector on both sides of the rifle makes my finger more likely to pull the trigger

>>33544223
You forgot to add "I'm just plain better than you"

Seriously, if you NEED to justify the extra cost, just call it art. But don't try and convince the world that you bought into a gimmick for any reason other than to show off your price tag

>>33544451
Because it's easier and more convenient?

Consider, for instance, the FAMAS style safety. It's located in the front of the trigger guard, and is such that you can actuate it in one direction with your trigger finger, but you need your support hand to flip it in the other direction. It's not a huge deal, but it does force your support hand to shuffle back and forth if you're using the safety lever frequently. This whole exercise is completely negated by a thumb-actuated fire selector like on the AR15, which allows you to operate it fully without having to move your hands from their normal positions.

Or consider the AK-style charging handle location vs the FAL-style one. The former is on the right, because it's an old design and it was simple to make. The latter is on the left, because it is more convenient for a right-handed shooter to actuate it with his left hand on the left side of the rifle.

Little details like this are what differentiate modern gun designs from older ones. I don't see why anyone would have a problem with this.

>>33544451
I said don't sound like a retard. There has literally been no complaints from anyone about ambi safeties becoming more standardized, so I think you should try again.

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Daily reminder that all you need is a basic rifle for defense and not a $2500 /arg/ fashion show rifle

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>>33544158
>Ironically, only a handful of places actually manufacture lower receivers.
That's forgings. Forgings come like this, you don't just 'change the rollmark'. It IS possible to fuck this up.

>>33544641
Daily reminder that people who aren't total poorfags are ok with spending a little more on something that is more comfortable and feature-rich, and shouldn't only stick with a Hi-Point and SKS as their go-to guns.

>>33544664
Aero is arguably the maker of the most standardized AR lower in the field. Short of some niche features I've seen argued above, they're the standard bearer of a lower receiver

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>>33544641
I bought a BadAss, tricaliber, stanag accepting, hotrod of a gun that also cost 2.5k.

You can't stop the signal!

>>33544615
I understand an ambi safety, but a bolt catch for the shooting hand is retarded. Hit it with the hand loading the mag and your trigger finger will be ready to go instantly

I mill my my own 80%.

Checkmate atheists.

>>33544726
>the most standardized AR lower in the field
>comes with screws for adjusting the upper-lower fit and retaining the rear takedown pin detent and has rollmarks on both sides
choose one

>>33544784
You're right, they should charge extra for these niche features. Accuwedge must hate them.

>>33544742
Don't forget, the bolt catch does two things; it releases the bolt, but it also locks it back. The speed advantage of a firing hand bolt catch is debatable (technically you can shoot slightly earlier if you use a magwell grip after loading and rest your thumb on the paddle, but you'd have to hold the mag like a beer can). But when you need to lock the bolt back to clear a stoppage, you are forced to rack with your firing hand and actuate the catch with your support hand. With a firing hand catch, you can rack with your left and your right hand stays put. It greatly speeds up the process and you don't have to shuffle the rifle around like a retard.

Get a cheapo BAD lever or something and give it a try, you'll see the difference. Is it absolutely necessary? No. Does it add to the convenience? Yes.

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>>33544147
This.

Rollmarks are shit and almost every lower is the same in quality, fuck off.

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>>33544187
your local gun & accessory salesman appreciates this and furthermore,'Have you seen the new shiny products we just got in stock? Right this way. Would you like a latte and a handjob before we begin?'

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>>33543564
Agreed. Aero Has a GOAT lower for only $20 over what an Anderson goes for.

Mil spec is mil spec

>tfw paid 50 dollars each for 4 anderson lowers
>same quality as my 150 dollar stag receiver

>>33544909
Anderson lowers are god for the money. I personally think the screw tensioning ability for a tight upper lower fit, and the nicer feel of the Aero lower justifies the price difference but 50 bucks a lower is a great price for anything that isn't polymer.

>>33544979
Very true but for me my AR's are mostly beater rifles. My stag receiver is on my "precision" 24 inch AR build.

I totally get the whole buy once cry once mentalility, however I can justify buying nice glass but not a 300 dollar lower.

>>33544979
Aero lowers feel so smooth it's like running your hands across a tit

>>33544173
>I don't know shit about AK optics: the post

>>33545080
It really just needs a pic rail but those look ugly as fuck on an akm

>>33544871
>actually got a t91 upper
motherfucker

>>33545093
There are several optics for AKs that are centered over the bore. PK 01, PKA Venezuela, Obzor 1P63, Rakurs, etc etc.

>he didn't buy a retro lower from Nodak for his A1
>he doesn't have an iPad loaded with CCR, Jefferson Airplane, The Doors, etc hooked up to a home wide sound system that goes off 1 minute 30 seconds after the silent alarm is tripped
>he doesn't want to burn through 5 20 round magazines fighting off Tyrone and Sharkeesha

>>33545098
I autisitcally bugged AIM surplus over the phone until they let me "preorder" it via a backorder on the product before it was put up for sale. Those guys have amazing customer service and I will definitely buy from them in the future.

>>33545129
Do you have one that isnt pig ugly? Holy shit

>>33543564
Why do people care about this shit?

>>33545374
>gets proved wrong
>w-well they're ugly! So there!

You have to be 18 to post on 4chan.

lower is probably literally the last thing you should worry about when building an AR
first upgrade barrel, glass, trigger, bolt/bcg, buffer, stock, upper, other furniture, brake, whizbang shit like ambi mag releases, bolt release and charging handles, THEN lower, roughly in that order

sure sign of a tacticool safe queen is a Gucci lower with shit glass or a crummy barrel because the owner decided dat rollmark ~aesthetic~ is more important than functionality

Oh and daily reminder that pmags are STILL the best magazines on the market today, paying extra for a Lancer, HK or worst of all USGI mags is paying extra for an inferior product so your rifle can look prettier

>>33545470
At the risk of sounding like a retard that owns an AR, what difference does one notice with a fancier than normal buffer? Or BCG?

>>33545470
Why would a anyone pay extra for USGI? The whole point of them is you can buy them for less than $10 a pop.

>>33545551
A different buffer weight might improve reliability, gassing issues, make it shoot softer, or allow for a faster cyclic rate. generally if your rifle is short stroking, overgassed, or has bolt bounce issues a different buffer weight can solve it easily.

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>>33543564
Remember kids, Aero is only one letter off from Zero.

>>33545609
I dont even like aero but cmon that last one looks like someone took a saw to it

>>33545609
>>33545624
These all look like they were taken on the same table, like someone was just fucking with an aero lower instead of actually providing examples of poor qc. Anon are you, dare I say it, trolling us?

>>33545662
>Anon

>>33544223
you can broach anything on an arbor press. breaching isn't exactly hard, and the methods certainly aren't trade secrets.

>>33545609
The fuck is this shit?

>>33545609
I've never built an ar so I don't understand, why did you cut up that receiver?

>>33546070
save weight

>>33546070
it's like when you build a mosin SBR from two chopped up mosin's

dude must be buildling an SBR AR15

>>33543618
>buy Anderson lower
>match grade trigger
>match grade barrel
>nice optic/irons
>quality rail
Hurr durr it sucks because the lower didn't cost a lot

Currently working on building a free floated match grade A2/A4 clone. Next step is to order the A2 handguards free float tube.

>>33544271
>If I'm hilariously rich, and want to build an AR, why would I forgo a KAC IWS lower over a PSA complete?
Because there's no significant mechanical difference and nothing about the gun would change either or.
>but mah fee fees

>>33544335
1070's cost more than a 1060 because it will get you more FPS. Gucci lowers cost more than Anderson lowers only because people are vain; Basically RGB lighting for hundreds more dollars.

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>>33543564
>mfw when my lower is the gen 2 aero

Fuck Aero.
If they were the only one who made something I wouldn't buy it from them. They treat their customers like shit.
May fuck be upon them.

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>>33546210
A garbage lower for a garbage clone variant. Very fitting, unlike your trigger pins, povertyponyboi

>>33544132
I like that grip, what is it?

>>33543564
...

AXTS adacs billet lower here on one gun

battlearms LW lower on another (with a faxon pencil barrel, and aero COP m4 upper it's light as fuck)

>>33546638
Out of stock rn, but its this: https://www.hkparts.net/shop/pc/HK-416-MR556-MR762-Battle-Grip-With-Storage-Black-134p17678.htm

You could get the superultrarare v7 for like 70 tho.

(don't)

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>>33543564
idgaf desu fampai

>>33544123
I've never heard anyone say this, but it's not true. The Vortex is great, but it's like 80% of the optic the K6i is at the end of the day.

>>33546679
Thanks man, I'll keep it bookmarked.

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>Doesn't use a polymer 80% lower
>It's like he wants the feds to know of his rifle

>>33546826
got dam post more KAC

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>>33547299

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>COP is a true monolithic upper
>M4E1 completely separates the handguard from the barrel nut

Aero Precision also makes the best uppers too.

>>33547363
>pinned cannon
What?

>>33547564
The can tube has to be permanently attached so it's not an SBR.

>>33547607
1st gen cannon? I know the 2nd gens aren't considered firearms nor destructive devices so pinning is unnecessary.

>>33547564
>>33547607
>>33547849
it was never pinned ever in the design. the pin you see holds the back plate of the tube on which screws onto the chamber. it allows you to take it apart for cleaning

>>33545374

The PK01-VS I have is the tits.

Lowest mounted optic I've ever used on an AK. Built like a tank but lighter than one.
Battery life is 3600 hours and is NVG compatible.
As nice as a Comp MLx RDS.

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>>33547185
>polymer lower
Crickety crack, plastic ain't all that

>>33546625

>Rollmarks: The meme

You do know that only a few foundries make all the lowers and uppers right? Same company LMT gets their forgings from is the same company Anderson gets theirs from.

>B-but the machining makes the difference

While this is true, I've yet to shoot an AR built with an Anderson lower that didn't shoot.

Enjoy your (You)

>>33548423
>Hurr I saw LMT mentioned earlier
>this means I know anything

Protip, Lewis Machine and Tool is a forging house

>>33548423
>confusing foundries, forging houses, and machine shops

There are many foundries, but only a handful of companies forging AR lowers. What's more, the machining makes all the difference. Even if a single shop is machining lowers as an OEM for a number of other companies, the quality can still vary all over the place depending on what tolerances the client specifies.

>>33544125
But my dad already had an ar

>>33543564

Aero lowers cost to much money for such a shitty rollmark. I bought a few cheap LRB lowers and they were no more rougher than a Colt and went together like MEGA lowers i have built so everything was in spec.

I have nothing against Aero i have used their uppers i just hate their rollmark.

>>33544871
Where did you get that stock dude.

I bought a Faxon lower to go with my ARAK-21. Contours nicely around the upper and the mag release and has a beefy trigger guard.
Come to think of it, why don't most AR lowers have trigger guards?

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>>33544125
>awkward ergos
train
>inability to mount optics
ok kid
>intended to be discarded when showing problems
good thing anything short of destroying the barrel or receiver can be fixed with a bullet, magazine, water, or the cleaning rod attached to the gun

>>33550295
>why don't most AR lowers have trigger guards?

having the trigger guard be a separate piece is milspec

>>33544158
yeah but when I go to the range and someone asks me what gun I have I can start off by telling them the brand rather than just saying "oh, an AR" then divert the convo by talking about my optics.

>>33544212
>someone who doesnt understand why the rich kids wont hang out with him

>>33543564
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>>33550332
So the reason to brandwhore is out of a fear of social awkwardness? Jesus ARs are truly fashion accessories

my $800 AR shoots just as well as the $4000 ones I cmpete against at national matches. I usually win.
all arguments are now invalid.

>>33544979
My Anderson lowers are almost scary tight with their uppers, which are from different manufacturers. Tension screws are for autists or poor saps who can slide their credit card between their receivers

>>33548423
>"I've been on arfcom for twenty minutes": the post

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>>33545093
/r/ing zenitco anon

>>33549812
Here you go Pham.

https://www.model1sales.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_id=466

It's the first option, and it comes with a buffer tube and buffer/spring.

>>33550295
>>33550310

The milspec trigger guard is designed as a separate piece that you can swing down for easier access to the trigger when wearing heavy gloves.

>>33551903
>has a rail mounted foregrip
>holds the weapon by the magazine
why?

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>>33552209
The handguard isn't freefloated, so for precision shots he has to grab the magwell so he doesn't twist the barrel.
Marines with VFGs on their M16A4s will do the same thing, for the same reason.

>>33552209
Because that's the way SlavTac trains their chimps

>>33552389
That makes sense to me, thanks anon. Btw whats going on in that photo? It has a Marine using a MARS sight and another dude in the back with irons.

>>33544335
Its more like building an ikea furniture set.knock a few pins here and there,screw dome things and bing bang boom bedazzle you got yourself an ar15

>>33552209
because he's kneeling? The magazine is being supported by his knee and hand. Ever notice that as you get lower to the ground the supporting hand has a tendency to move more inward.

>>33552453
Its from early Iraq. RCO's had yet to become standardized and some Marine units spent their money on optics and surefires instead of Oakley M Frames.

>>33553815
Cool, thanks.

>>33543564
Is it low shelf?

>>33554500
Yeah, apparently the old ones weren't but anything with the current rollmark will be low shelf.

>>33544871
MIRRIN BRAH!!

>>33554837
Thanks. the QD mount for my optic just arrived. once I finish applying th thread locker and getting the tensioning right I'll post pics.

>>33554894
was being sarcastic. upper looks like dogshit, riced up lower looks like dogshit, and are those cucked mags?

>>33543564
PSA
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I'm just gonna go with ruger parts only for my ruger receiver that way I know that I got good parts in a good rifle.

Which is better and where do I get them?

Forged receiver or Milled receiver?

>>33552389
Ehhh, kinda. Mostly though it's because you get fucking tired pointing your rifle around all day and its easier to just tuck in your elbow and grab it by the magwell.

>>33552389
Naive guy here

What is freefloated and how do you do it so that you can grab the forearm without fucking up precision?

>>33555054
Forging results in a stronger part in most cases.

>>33555133
Damn

I only got the ruger milled receiver because i couldn't find forged ruger receiver.

How fucked am i with the milled ruger receiver?

>>33555123
Free floated is when the handguard doesn't touch the barrel at all besides where it connects at the receiver. Non free floated will slightly bend the barrel throwing shots off. It's nice to have, but not a huge issue with service rifles that are 3-4 moa to begin with with shooting crap ammo.

>>33555123
Free-floating is generally considered to be when a handguard is not connected or attached to the front sight base of gas block. However, most freefloat handguards on the market are not truly freeloated because they still rely on the barrel nut for attachment.

>>33555181
*or gas block
*not truly free-floated

that what I get for typing with one hand

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>>33554928
I get that you're jelly you can't find one of these uppers in stock but don't take it out on little old me, and no they aren't cucked mags. I only threw in 20 rounds, but they're 30 round magazines.

Heres that photo i promised. I'm debating on swapping out the A2 grip for a BCM one but otherwise this build is finished.

>>33555181
So where would I find a true freefloated forearm and also how do they pair up with direct gas?

>>33555151
Not fucked at all. In practice, you will not see any difference unless you put your billets through lab destructive testing. Are you going to be putting over 60k PSI on any part of your receiver? No.

>>33555247
about the only thing you'd find is monolithic uppers but it doesnt make a difference at all
regular free floated hg's from quality makers are fine
and ar15 is direct gas imp standard so...

>>33555247
monolithic upper or an M4E1 upper are your main choices. as >>33555274 said, it doesn't make a huge difference (although the M4E1 makes barrel installation stupid easy)

>>33555181
>>33555184
Attachment to the barrel nut is not a problem, because that's how the barrel is attached to the receiver in the first place. As for the gas block, I can appreciate the argument given that it IS an additional point of contact on the barrel, but that standard effectively rules out all semiauto rifles from being "truly free floated" unless they're recoil-operated or blowback or some shit.

>>33555295
It's still better if you can attach the handguard directly to the upper receiver, rather than adding additional stresses to the barrel nut by cantilevering the handguard off of it.

>>33555315
This is true. I just wonder if it makes any appreciable difference in group size, since it is right at the attachment point of both parts.

>>33555274
What if I'm just relying on iron sights?

Would it benefit that as well or would a normal milspec that isn't freefloated would effect the iron sights as well?

>>33556011
Yup, using iron sights that are mounted to the rail, you actually want non free floated. Because if your rail is free floated, the barrel will stay straight, but the rail will bend, so your POA will shift from POI. So yeah, front iron mounted on barrel is good for that.

>>33544158
They buy forgings, from forges.. all the important machining and finish work is done by the manufacturers...

>>33556092
Oh so basically if I'm going to be using scopes i would want freefloat but if I'm going to use iron sights then non freefloat is best to go for then.

Correct?

>>33556134
you're fine with a free float and irons if you have the front iron mounted to the barrel (like on the mk12). Really it doesnt matter that much esp if you practice and know your holds.

>>33556134
pretty much, unless you do an ironsights build that has the traditional front sight post gas block combo deal going on. kinda like what >>33556169 is talking about.

>>33555325
Considering free-floated sees no appreciable differences compared to drop-in in the first place, I'd venture to say no, you will not see any change in group size

>>33550338

You got me there

Pmuch the only brand to get for retro lowers.

The real question is why is their manufacturing department staffed by a one armed midget that puts out one lower a month. Ive been on the list for 4 goddamn months motherfuckers.

>>33551092

99 times out of 100 a gun is vastly more accurate than the person holding it.

You're a good marksman anon, being a smart consumer is just a perk.

>>33552453

Marines are the poor latchkey children of the armed forces fancy peices of glass with laserbeams on them is too expesnsive for the average MUHREEN. Also is an older pic before optics became standard issue, some dudes had them, some didnt.

>>33555151
Not even a little bit, unless you're laying your lower on the highway to get runover for 12 hours by cars with acid on their tires you'll never notice a difference between milled and forged lowers on an AR.

Nowhere near the difference between stamped/milled that you see in AKs and such.

I bought a polymer 80% lower and milled it out myself. Works like a charm.

> tfw commiefornia