Ak-47

>>33538741

Well sure you could potentially make them that cheap but they'd be utter shit.

Because milling/stamping and demand with quality materials is better than pot metal shit that was used and abused by some snow/sand niggers... Plus import/funswitch bans make those not surface in the US.

Also, WASR is a decent cheap starter AK. It ain't a cheap hobby, so if you can, just buy it in pieces till you make the one you'd like.

>>33538741
Hello, fellow fitizen. :^)

Because even a steaming pile of shit costs a lot to import from across an ocean.

>>33538741
>i heard they are cheap

Guess you heard wrong.

>>33538741
There are few things more painful today than wanting to buy an AK in this market...

If you can't afford an Arsenal, don't bother...

>>33538741
VZ 58 is the cheapest AK you can find

>>33539341
if I wanted to throw money away on a gun that's finish will cook off in 3 magazines I'd buy a.. well come to think of it an Arsenal is the only piece of shit that does that.

>>33538741
100% because of import bans and sanctions.

>>33539511
Fucking kys

>>33539511
Poor person pls. Stop being butthurt at things you'll never afford

>>33538741
>i heard they are cheap and insanely easy to come by
Compared to other precision engineered tools for throwing lead slugs at high velocities and high rates of fire.

Easy to come by because they've been stamped by the million in every industrialized country.

"Expensive" in the US because import bans and need to make a profit.

>>33538780
i still can't believe i posted this thread on /fit/ on a accident.. i legit feel like a dumb fuck, i had multiple 4chan boards open at once. ironically this is my first time ever being on this board, because im too poor to buy a gun

>>33538741
>AK-47 hasn't been in large-scale mass production pretty much since the late 1950s.
>AKM replaced it due to be lighter/cheaper by a significant margin
>AKM is the most common assault rifle on Earth, not AK-47
>Milled receiver is a lot heavier and more expensive to produce than a stamped receiver
>Really, only an idiot would want an AK-47 instead of an AKM. Like wanting a Desert Eagle instead of an M1911 unless you're going hunting, and even then it would be better to take a revolver
>OP is retarded and doesn't know even the basic history of the AK design and probably doens't even know the difference between AK-47 and AKM, if he's even HEARD of the AKM before

/thread

>>33540157
op here.

im insanely new to guns, and this board. so i understand i will get called a retarded nigger a lot..

>>33540157
I mean, you're right and wrong. referring to Type 1, Type 2, and Type 3 AK's as "AK-47" is almost as bad as referring to all AK's and "AK-47"

>>33540169
Which type of AK was the majority? I'm quite certain it was the milled receiver one, and so anyone who regards all AK-47s as milled receiver variants is pretty much correct. Stamped receiver wasn't perfected with the aid of improved welding technology until 1959 to my knowledge.

>>33540167
You were making assumptions and seemed to not even know about the AKM, so yeah, I'd say you were acting retarded. This isn't /b/ however so typically you don't here 'nigger' being tossed around too often, but having pointed it out the small /pol/ population that seems to lurk here may very well spam this with (you)s filled with nigger.

>>33540169
Anyways, pointing out the different types of AK-47 sounds to me like if you heard someone say "the AR-15 is a .223 rifle" then point out that you can get them in .300 Blackout, 7.62x39, .308, and many other rifles so it's somehow 'bad' to say that the AR-15 is for .223 or 5.56. I'm all for being specific, but at some point it's just being autistic.

>>33540230
I'm just going to go ahead and reply to everything in this post just so we're clear on a few things you don't seem to understand.
>Which type of AK was the majority? I'm quite certain it was the milled receiver one, and so anyone who regards all AK-47s as milled receiver variants is pretty much correct. Stamped receiver wasn't perfected with the aid of improved welding technology until 1959 to my knowledge.
There were of the Type 1, 2, and 3 the type 3 was the most produced. Both the Type 2 and Type 3 were milled though.
>This isn't /b/ however so typically you don't here 'nigger' being tossed around too often, but having pointed it out the small /pol/ population that seems to lurk here may very well spam this with (you)s filled with nigger.
Fucking kill yourself you lebbit and /lgbt/ transplant piece of shit. NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER
>Anyways, pointing out the different types of AK-47 sounds to me like if you heard someone say "the AR-15 is a .223 rifle" then point out that you can get them in .300 Blackout, 7.62x39, .308, and many other rifles so it's somehow 'bad' to say that the AR-15 is for .223 or 5.56. I'm all for being specific, but at some point it's just being autistic.
It's literally not. The AK-47 terminology is just something that got lost in translation and generally, at best, refers to the Type 1.

That's cute. You thought gun importers were non profit organizations.

>>33540157
your power level is showing anon

>>33540694
FUCKING LEAVE THEN

>>33540157
Kys

>>33539341
Don't support Arsenal until they actually try to have some customer service. Maybe even a hint of quality control.

>>33540739
<^-^>

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>>33539511
like clockwork

>>33539511
Well said

>>33540157
>AK-47 has never been in large-scale mass production because it never existed
ftfy

>>33540157
>late 1950s.
Try late 1940s. The Type I was phased out quickly because it sucked. Type II and III AKs are more common.

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>>33541320
Hey, that's wrong.

>>33538775
>WASR is a decent cheap starter AK.
stop saying this. it's no longer 2013. wasr is almost as much as Russian rifles now.

>>33541370
The Russian rifles that are no longer imported?

>>33541372
molot says hello

>>33539732
>>33539737
>t. butthurt Arsenal shills playing mental gymnastics with themselves to justify spending any money at all on a hunk of shit

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>>33541385
Hello

>>33538741
MUH CAPITALISM

>>33541385
>RPKs
Ok.

>>33541385
>8 lbs unloaded
>$300 more than wasr for a converted one
"no"

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>>33541400
I have an SLR-104fr, Draco, WASR, and a TGI imported FEG built AMD-65. Just be mad that you can't have nice things.

>>33541452
manlet

>>33541410
>muh mixed market economy
ftfy

>>33541472
He's got a point. If you're going to dick around with an rifle that is like 9.5 lbs loaded you might as well get something in a full rifle caliber.

>>33541320
>>33541327
Type II and Type III AKs are AK-47. In 1959 they replaced them with the AKM.

>>33541496
"No".

>>33541472
Nice rebuttal.
If your intermediate rifle weighs more than 7 lbs unloaded (especially without optics or a light) it's a piece of shit.

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>>33541496
>Type II and Type III AKs are AK-47.
That's wrong.

>>33541454
>names a bunch of cheap and shit gun
>HAR STAY MADD PORFAGG!!1!
why don't you shill for vepr instead? they actually make good guns and at a reasonable price

>>33541559
Can you faggots stop shilling your heavy as fuck RPKs when people are talking about AKs?

>>33541511
it's not heavy you pussy. an SKS is more awkward to handle than a vepr

>>33541567
>making excuses for being a manlet

>>33541567
veprs would actually be worth buying if they were actually rpks

>>33541583
They are actually RPKs. Sporterized, but still RPKs.

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>not buying a mini-30

>>33541622
>not buying a mini-30
Best choice someone could make, sorry Sullivan.

>>33541641

I just realized that the shadow of the plane is flying at the 2 vertical aks.....................

>>33540167
Don't worry, we're all niggers here, and faggots.

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>>33541567
they aren't even that big

>>33541622
>inferior to AR-15 in every conceivable way

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>>33538741

I hate to break it to you but a gun store in the US has much higher business costs associated with importing and selling AK's than some nigger in somalia

>>33541598
No, I meant if they were imported and converted into proper rpks i.e. 23 inch barrel, bipod etc.

>>33541775
Oh, then I agree with you. Unfortunately Molot doesn't have an American presence so they'd probably be garbage. No, I don't trust FIME.

>>33541641
...N-PAP and SAM7?

>>33541720
Does the Vepr take standard AK mags without being modified? I really want one in 7.62x39

>>33541817
No, they're single stack guns.

>>33541840
misinformation

>>33541784
Nobody trusts FIME group.

>>33539341
Zastava N-PAPs are perfectly good to go if you don't mind the Yugo furniture and side rail. Just as good as Arsenal.
WASRs are fine if you take the time to check them properly for cant and good riveting. Quality control is spotty, so it's up to you to make sure you get a good one.

Besides that, you have your choice of a used converted Saiga (harder and harder to find), or Kreb's ($$$$$$$)

The pickings are relatively slim, but Arsenal is not by any means the only make out there worth getting.

>>33541802

yea

>>33541571
The SKS isn't awkward because of its weight.

>mfw i bought a saiga for 350$ and converted it in 2015
My fucking dick was so hard. It's still super hard. I'd say bismuth density.

>>33541973
I would consider an N-PAP if they had a version in 5.45x39.

>>33541858
This. veprs in 54r are single stack but I believe most of them in x39 are double. If they're not it's really not that hard to cut the slot to proper size and hone it with a hand file.

>>33542048
Why is it that no one makes stamped 5.45 receivers in the US?

The only affordable 74s are the polish guns, there's a proper market for these.

I heard DDI is coming out with new stuff, fingers crossed

>>33542162
Because so far no american company has made a proper 7.62x39 ak, so why would they think they were ready for that?... DDI sucks man, sorry to tell you theyre a joke.

>>33542247
their parts kit 74's were good. but their american made stuff was garbage.

>>33541817
not standard, but you can buy aftermarket mags like mine.

>>33541840
7.62x39 are double.

>>33542348
>parts kits were pretty good
>in other words, the shit they didn't make was pretty good
lmao senpai desu senpai

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>decent AKs cost more now than they did during the post-Sandy Hook scare

>>33542162
>no one makes stamped 5.45 receivers in the US

http://www.nodakspud.com/AK%20Receivers.htm

>>33542447
>a company that no one has ever heard of with no reviews or long term information with a websiote from the early 90s makes them so there!
Stupid. You'd be wasting your time even buying one of these, and even then it's not an american made ak if everything but a stamped sheet of metal is from a foreign made parts kit.

>>33542483
>>a company that no one has ever heard of
You're fucking retarded, fucking kill yourself

>>33542483
am I being trolled?

>>33542554
>>33542561
>company from 2005 that some anons have never even heard of
>lol am i being trolled
Please take a step back and realize no one buys american made aks for a reason... Sorry if that triggers you. Also their website does look like some ms paint shit from 92.

>>33542599
>never heard of nodak spud
am i being trolled??

>>33542602
No I havent? and apparently neither have a few people
After looking at their site they have hundred dollar stamped receivers. Whats the big deal. Most of these can be found for 30 dollars before being folded.

>>33542688
>doesn't know nodak
ya fucked up

>>33542724
The only aks I've built are off saiga or homebrew receivers with russian/romanian parts kits so I'm sorry if I haven't bought some specific american made brand that doesn't even know the first thing about making aks... Enjoy using their shit website that probably has no security and giving your money to more than likely inbreed morons who over charge you for a piece of stamped metal you can make yourself for about 12 dollars... Sorry if you were triggered during this conversation.

>>33542753
Can you stop proving that you're clueless about literally everything you want to talk about?

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>>33542483
ITT: Anon reveals himself to be a hopeless newfag.
>>33542599
An unrepentant one, at that.

>>33542753
>types out long insult to a 3 word reply
>"Sorry if you were triggered during this conversation."
k e k

>>33542753
Maybe if you try to play it off like you're just trolling you can save face, newfriend ;^)

>>33542769
>>33542775
>>33542776
>>33542837
I literally do not know what to tell you guys. There is more than one way to build an ak.

>>33542845
I've never built with an NDS AK receiver but I still know of them, newfag.

>>33542845
>There is more than one way to build an ak.
Of course there is, did any anon say otherwise?

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>>33542845
>5.45 receivers ain't neva been dun befo!
>sees nodak
>reveals his newfaggotry
>is ridiculed
>m-more than one way to build an ak, g-guys

Tell me more!

>>33542887
I've never had to look up how to find a receiver so I dont know what to tell you noguns...

Look we can trade insults all day, or you can 'enlighten; an anon? Because apparently I've been missing out paying a hundred dollars for a ten dollar piece of stamped metal.

>>33542905
when did he say that

>>33542908
What are you even talking about? Just stop.

>>33542927
I'm saying I've never gone out of my way to find a reciever to build off of online. Usually my local stores have them and I can find the right mm and go from there.

Now apparently if someone hasn't heard of this one specific site that looks like dog shit they're a newfag?...

I'm asking you to explain it ad enlighten me so I'm just going to assume this is a meme you dont even understand.

>anon asks for people to explain after obviously having no idea
>they reply in a super smug fashion
wow /k/ I thought you were better than this.

>>33543033
cause it's obvious as fuck, import bans and American market manipulation, just like always.

>>33543149
I live in new york and we can still get saigas for 500? Im not sure what you're talking about. Yes the ban happened but that doesn't mean that everything sky rockets.

Also the design you can just stencil onto a piece of metal and make a stamped receiver for like ten dollars..

>>33542952
>wants to be enlightened
>promptly shits on said enlightenment

Here, I'll try for your sake.
Nodak makes quality receivers with straight rails and good heat treatment. They make them with realistic markings if you want to make a repro of a specific variant, and they make special variants for just about any AK you can think of. They're one of the few, if not the only, making 5.45 receivers, and they were one of the first on the scene doing all of this, before the AK bug bit everyone - I'd even argue that they're in part responsible for the AK's rise in popularity, since they contributed greatly to all the parts kits building early on by making all the unique variant receivers.

In other words, if you don't know who NDS are and why they're respected and worth the money, you're a newfag. Their stuff is top notch quality, your home-bent flat with crooked rails isn't even in the same league. Welcome to /k/, now git out.

>>33543294
And how does that make them better than russian or other combloc made receivers?
If you had an option, would you take nodak over russian/soviet made?

>>33543656
They're comparable in quality. Difference is that I can't get Russian made receivers for every combloc variant under the sun - nevermind even Russian receivers for plain vanilla shit, since Saigas were import banned.

>>33543705
People talk about this ban but dont realize howmany of them were imported, again I can get a functional saiga in 7.62x39 for 500 and I live in newyork.... Maybe we bought them all for in state sale because of the ban? I'm not sure but I can tell you after five builds saiga/combloc is what I prefer. American makes have a lot of rough edges but I guess I'm a know-nothing newfag.

>>33543656
>And how does that make them better than russian or other combloc made receivers?
Who ever said they were? Whose mouth are you even putting these words in?
>If you had an option, would you take nodak over russian/soviet made?
No, but that's not an option. Not even for AK-74M/100s, now.

>>33543790
As previously stated, if you had read the thread, not everyone is limited to american made ak receivers.

>>33541817
the bullet guide mod is so simple. I did it with household tools in my apartment.

>>33541973
>WASRs are fine if you take the time to check them properly for cant and good riveting. Quality control is spotty, so it's up to you to make sure you get a good one.
wasr has been consistent with QC since like 2012, will you fags ever stop memeing old info?

>>33543813
Ok, what do YOU think the foreign options are? Romanian AKM kits can be built off of WASR receivers, O-PAPs can be turned into M70s, Saigas can be turned into AK-74M/100s, and Veprs into RPKs. Outside of that narrow range of options, what can you do?

>>33543724
Saiga is great, nobody disputes this. Good for you that you like them so much you built 5 of the same rifle.
Your pickings are slim though, if you want to build, say, a Hungarian underfolder. There's some shitty companies that churn out shitty receivers, some that churn out equally shitty flats, then there's Nodak, that has built a well earned reputation of quality. Between a parts kit, new barrel, and NDS receiver, your price is still at or near your $500 Saiga (before it's even converted), and you have a military quality rifle.

>rough edges
You've never handled a NDS receiver. You make it abundantly clear. Try one for your next build, assuming you can get more involved than slapping parts onto Saigas to convert them.

Also,
>$500 Saigas in NY
Where? I'd love to get another for that price.

>>33543887
Is that what you think this discussion is about?
>>33543950
>anon tells you theyve never heard of nodak
>you tell them their opinion of US made receivers is wrong
Nice anon. Really nice.

>>33544001
>Is that what you think this discussion is about?
That seems to be what you made this 'discussion' about.

>>33543843
Dude the ARs are jamtastic meme is in like its 5th decade and still going strong among internet warriors. I'll let you know if that ever dies to give you an idea of long you'll be waiting.

>>33544305
That meme will outlast me, no doubt.

>>33542042
Density =/= hardness

Because the assembly process is much easier to fuck up and much more labor-intensive than an AR.

>>33541739
>except in being gay

>>33539499
Vz 58 is NOT a kalishnikov. Totally different gun. Common n00b mistake. But yeah, get one of those if you find a good one.

>>33546007
You're right it is a shitty Kalishnikov clone that spits ammo to the heavens.

>>33546201

>>33542753
>SHOVEL AKM DOT JPEG

>>33541571
My 16inch SKS with no bayonet is heavier than my chicom ak with stamped 1.5mm receiver

>>33541400
>$850 matters
Go be poor somewhere else.

Are ras47s any good?

>>33548225

No.

Avoid all American AKs. Period.

In fact, avoid anything Century Arms or I.O. Inc has built. Imports are usually fine.