Jesus Christ

this thread again?

>>33534494
this thread will reach 300+. they will all boil down to either
>looks like shit, why couldnt they have done better?
or
>looks fine for what it is. it isnt supposed to be an exact replica

>>33534516
but who's right?

protip: the gyn looks like dogshit

>>33534524
The first one.

>for fuck's sake, it's stamped steel, we wouldn't have cars if people didn't know how to do this

>>33534516
don't forget the people calling people who don't like it autists and playing no true scostsman "it's a reproduction not a replica" shit

>>33534494

Huh? Every weapon on the US civilian market is a replica of some sort.

>>33534536
There's a valid reason for the way it looks, both guns look like shit anyway and anything but the kurz version is going to look off, so WHO GIVES A DUCK

Pony up to buy the actual exact replica or shut up about it and let the people who like this one do so without the screeching

>>33534558
That's the best, besides the emotional investment on both sides for whatever fucking reason

>>33535221
>both guns look like shit
nobody means it looks like shit aesthetically
they mean it looks like a shitty replica/reproduction/copy/whatever HMG fags are calling it these days to justify it merely being vaguely shaped like a real StG

>>33534494
I is stupid, what got fucked up here.

Jesus fucking christ you retard non wereboos. Let me break this shit down for you. Reproductions from that time period will never be perfect like an A1 clone due to laws against promotion of the Third Reich. If it was a full-blown time period reproduction the reproducer would go to fucking jail. That is what you get under communism.

>>33535616
>due to laws against promotion of the Third Reich

Literally what. You do realize these are being made and distributed within the United States and not Germany, right?

>>33535616
>will never be perfect like an A1 clone due to laws against promotion of the Third Reich.

High quality bait

>>33535297
But both guns do look like shit aesthetically

>>33535616

In America FA guns like STG-44s are completely banned. This might change in the next few years, but until that happens repros of machineguns are effectively impossible.

>>33535616
Kek!
I almost choke on my coffe.

Why don't they just clone the original gun's parts one by one? Hugo and Steyr-Daimler-Puch AG are both dead. Who has the patent?

So when will the updated cersion come out and cost 2x as much shekels

>>33535906
>cloning hand fitted parts from a short life gun

>>33535906
The one of the cofounders and lead engineer of the company explained that the original schematics are only partially complete and they miss some critical information such as tolerances and what kind of material to use. Furthermore, the originals required a lot of hand fitting, which means that the guns are most expensive to produce.

H&M decided to re-engineer the rifle practically from scratch out of necessity (since they didn't have much information to go off of) as well as economical reasons. If they couldn't keep the costs of production low, than they would have to charge more for the rifle. If they charged more, nobody would have bought it.

>>33534494
close enough

>>33534494
does anyone on the board actually have one?

>>33535988
>The one of the cofounders and lead engineer of the company explained that the original schematics are only partially complete and they miss some critical information such as tolerances and what kind of material to use. Furthermore, the originals required a lot of hand fitting, which means that the guns are most expensive to produce.

I designed pressed metal suspension components for heavy duty trucks one year out of high school. I ran my own fucking tooling program too.

How can adult humans NOT be able to reverse engineer some piece of shit stamped receiver?

I guess this is why I left so many people behind, They can see obstacles and difficulties where there are none.

>>33535725
not only that, but SSD has been making accurate guns in Germany for years

>>33535988
>The one of the cofounders and lead engineer of the company explained that the original schematics are only partially complete and they miss some critical information such as tolerances and what kind of material to use
As someone who worked with pressing sheet metal into every shape under the sun this is such bullshit. The worst offending component isn't even a high-stress part, they could have easily made it look more like the real deal lower receiver, but they didn't.

>>33534494
are you the same anon who keeps autistically sperging over it not being 100% exact

The StG-44 is a meme
Prove me wrong

>>33536136

>>33535988
this
some small changes are to be expected, but they completely fucked the rifle
the lower looks nothing like the original
the handguard is fucked
having some missing technical data is a good excuse for having minor changes
it is not an excuse to make the drastic aesthetic changes to the rifle

So basically the conclusion is that they should have just drilled those holes, and then filled them with screw-ends or rivets or whatever so it looked like they were serving a purpose?

>>33534494
not that big of a deal. get over it.

>>33536222
They could have at least made an attempt at getting the stampings right. Wouldn't have even needed to make holes and screw them in, just raise the fucking areas where they were in the receiver to give the fucking impression. The whole lower is just fucked, and if they'd invested just a bit more time in that one area you'd see the complaints more than halved.

>>33536254
The only thing that stand out is the magazine catch

>>33536274
Do you literally not have eyes?

>>33536222
cant do that cause they decided to replace the fcg with a g3 trigger pack and shoving a bunch or rivets and other cosmetic stuff would interfere while adding cost
its supposed to be a usable shooter not a 1:1 replica

Poorfags who can't afford the 5000K accurate reproduction

>>33536283
Do you have a rebuttal

>>33536254
people would still complain. People will ALWAYS complain. It could be a 100% accurate reproduction and you'd still have people on here complaining about how it doesn't look the same as the one in a 70 year old grainy photo they saw on the internet.

People love to complain about things that dont in any way effect them. Here's a tip for people: If you don't like how it looks, just dont buy it.

>>33536308
That's like presenting a counter-argument to someone claiming we're breathing water currently instead of oxygen. The objective stupidity is obvious.

>>33536326
>People love to complain about things that dont in any way effect them.
wait, should people not complain about shitty movies or games they were looking forward to now? what kind of vapid bullshitery is this?
>If you don't like how it looks, just dont buy it.
i won't.

>>33536328
Tbh I like the smoother surfaces on the lower
But the mag catch is awful

>>33535963

SMG did it for the FG-42 and DP-28, this is literally not an excuse

>>33536341
Wait
Tbh
Senpai

Now what was the third one

>>33535988

>buy original Stg-44
>take it apart
>???

>>33534515
Over and over

>>33536344

They made the FG42 closed bold and I don't know enough about their DP28 so I give you cwedit for that

>>33536338
>what kind of vapid bullshitery is this?
Retards with zero self-awareness blowing smoke. Anyone who unironically says "If you don't like it don't buy, just shut up" on 4chan of all places needs to be euthanized.

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>>33536206
Nigga, did you ever see a kraut space magic ww2 trigger?

>>33536344
Don't they charge a premium though?

>>33534797
Wrong.

>>33535616
But that's wrong you rusing nigger.

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I love guns of all kinds but what the fuck are we doing here?

>a bunch of people arguing over a gun that they would never own regardless of what it looks like because they're poorfags

>a bunch of people defending their intended purchase or even worse defending a design they have absolutely no stake in

Who gives a flying fuck what it looks like? It's a stupid fucking idea - kind of like those inland m1 carbines. The cool thing about historical firearms is that they were actually used to kill people in famous wars. To me this is an attempt to make a rifle resemble a rifle that once existed, but without any of the things that make military rifles cool. What you get in the end is an overpriced outdated piece of shit that to the autists who care about such things isn't even an accurate representation

If they just stuck some more reinforcing bends there I think it would be fine. The exact order of the bends isn't something I would be anal about, but the fact you got a blank area looks kinda shitty.

But I would imagine that it is so someone could possibly put a ambi safety in since it uses HK trigger packs?

>>33536799
how is making a gun better ruin what makes it cool?

>original stg44 for sale here
>$12,000
>Prohib license

Fuck

>>33536341
>I like the smoother surfaces on the lower
you're a retard

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>>33536860
I got to handle this beaut in Edmonton.

>>33536388
the FG-42 was already closed bolt
it was only open bolt in FA mode

>>33535616
No it wouldn't

>>33535844
>completely banned

>>33535616
This is either some top tier bait, or you're an actual retard. Either way you made me reply. 2/10

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>>33537356
Fucking image rotate Reeeeeeeeee.

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>>33534494
>b-b-but they're the saaaaame

>>33534494
what am i supposed to be looking at here?

>>33536344
their fg-42 was closed bolt

>>33536254
most people arent autistic enough to care

>>33537396
how much were they asking for the fnc? do you know?

>>33536847
because it has no history
if it were at least a realistic reproduction, it would have that appeal
as it stands, it was never used in battle and is not cool that way and is also not cool for looking like something that was used in battle

so what is it cool for?

>>33537404
how grossly different the lower receivers are
also how the HMG thing uses plastic magazines

>>33537356
did you pop a stiffy

>>33537404
Sturmguvere or however the fuck you spell it. The original "Assault Rifle" from Germany in WW2. It's what the Russians copied to make the AK-47. Some company is remaking a version that kind of looks like it but is way different for wannabe Nazis and retards to blow 2 grand on.

>>33537506
>Sturmguvere
>copied to make the AK-47
anon

>>33534516
this

>>33534516
this

>>33537401
could they not of at least used something like oak wood that sort of looks like the furniture on the original STG44?

>>33537548
Ask them, not me. They're the ones who fucked it 12 ways from sunday

>>33537506
what if i told you that cetme pattern rifles are closer to the stg44 by design and function

>>33537394
I'd actually wager he's from Germany or a similar country, you can't promote anything related to The Third Reich over there due to massive self-hate.

>>33537506
Anon
What if I told you that the development program that ended in the AK-47 had been in place since 1941, and that the StG contributed extremely little, if anything at all, to the development of the AK-47 versus the veritable communist parade of prototype rifles that preceded the final 1947 pattern

All those rifles looked mostly the same too since all the designers collaborated on shit and shared mechanical solutions. What became the AK magazine was used on/for like six or seven different prototypes before the AK and 7.62x39 was ready by 1943 anyway.

>>33537671
>t. Soviet Political Officer

>>33534524
the MAGS look like dogshit. Everything else seems ok to me

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>>33537739
Nah, the STG-44 was totally cloned wholesale into the AK and the Slavs just fucked it up. None of these rifles actually were real.

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>>33537801
Not a one of them, not by Fedor Tokarev.

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>>33537815
Nor this one clearly from the vodka soaked dreams of Georgy Shpagin

>>33535988
that makes no sense. we have surviving examples in private hands and in museums, there are plenty of resources for them to have reverse engineered a real example piece to make a 100% exact clone

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>>33537825
This obviously crude imitation of precious German steel by Bulkin was clearly a non-functional slab of materials.

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>>33537506
>It's what the Russians copied to make the AK-47

>>33536254
the reason they fucked up is because their target customer is going to autistically pick apart details.

they made a replica of a meme gun from ww2, that only history nerds would like. and they fucked up by not copying it in any sense. so now nobody wants it. not the collectors and certainly not casual shooters

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>>33537845
Last but not least this fever dream by German A. Korobov was clearly doomed to failure. Look at his later plastic fantastic rifles influenced by to many nights huffing bakelite fumes and you can see why he was so distraught by German magic that he changed his very name to harness it.

Nah, not a single other rifle existed that could have led into the AK-47. They totally recovered a couple Mkb. 42's and somehow managed to build a full functional rifle platform and cartridge in four years from nothing but dreams and old Avtomat Fedorov pieces.

What caliber should I get?

>>33537506
>It's what the Russians copied to make the AK-47

Have you ever seen an STG44 field stripped in front of you? It's nothing like an AK on the inside.

>>33537898
300 memeout

>>33534494
the same fucking thread
every fucking day

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>>33537825
what the fuck

>>33536041
That's what I'm fuckin sayin.

They were supposed to be out for shipping months fuckin back.

I feel bad for the anons who dropped over $1000

>>33537929
Yeah I have a 762 SD N so I think I might get that. x39 is so much cheaper but 300 ngr is coming down in price. Get a 300 nigger and a 5.56 barrel.

>>33537927

Fuck the internals. You stupid autists are thinking too narrowly, as usual. They copied the idea of that type of gun. As usual the Germans do it first, and ruskies immitate, like monkeys.

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>>33537971
>They copied the idea

>>33537971
>They copied the idea of that type of gun
Russians were working with the concept before they ever encountered the StG. Fuck off with your idiocy.

>>33537396
What do you need to own that?

>>33537801
>>33537815
>>33537825
>>33537845
>>33537891
Been a while since I've seen someone get BTFO'd this hard

>>33537971
I agree with you anon, but who cares we can't prove it. Most people can't critically think as it is so its pointless to go on.

>>33538028
Form 4
$200
Wait forever
Proceed to shoot it once in a blue moon and take it to one of a handful of master gunsmiths in the US every two thousand rounds that knows how to rebuild the thing properly because they are literally disposable and have to be babied like the worst of supercars

>>33538054
>Edmonton
>form 4
wot m8

Their claim is that "The ATF" told them they couldn't make the lower look original because of "machinegun rules"

Basically they're just another shill company, trying to cut as much costs as they can by making a gun vaguely resemble an uncommon one, hyping it, and cashing out.

The fact that these things aren't on the market yet in production quantities tells a lot about their shady business practices.

>>33538064
That claim can be shown as bullshit pretty easily
>PTR-44

inb4 some retard claims that the PTR is proof that an STG repro can't be made reliable

>>33538048
>I agree with you anon, but who cares we can't prove it.

See
>>33537845
>>33537825
>>33537815
>>33537801
>>33537891
The Soviets had rifle prototypes in this configuration well before they ever recovered a single MkB.

>>33537845
Holy shit in this article it says that gun was based of the German predecessor. http://survincity.com/2010/08/the-main-rival-of-ak-47-on-the-competitive-tests/

Stupid faggot, many people had this idea but the Germans stream lined it, and added to it substantially from the cartridge to the ergos, to the manufacturing.

Like Edison and Tesla didn't invent electricity but they both got there with ac and dc about the same time because all inventors and inventions stand on the shoulders of those and that which came before them.

>>33538082
see
>>33538095

>>33536501

it's not really that much more complex than a regular trigger pack, except they're using washers to mount the pins to the stamped housing, so you have 3 parts for every 1 you would have on a sane rifle/

I mean, I get why they decided to go with a G3 triggerpack, but the idea that the fcg in the STG-44 is some sort of super-complex monstrosity is unconvincing.

that said I'm still looking forward to mine.

>>33536136
Because they don't know what steels they used for what, nor their original tolerances you stupid shit.

>>33537617
>cetme

you'd be a retard. the FN FAL and CAL are more similar to the STG-44 than the Cetme is, because it uses a tilting bolt instead of a roller-retarded blowback action. FAL/CAL are short stroke instead of longstroke though.

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I've got a Buddy who can get me into the PPLI royal archive to finger fuck some rare shit like a first model FG42.
>>33538028
prohibited licence, So basically unobtainium. The only people who have them now were grandfathered into ownership.
>>33537444
Not sure.
>>33537477
I had to find a empty isle in sight to go rub one out.

Did anyone here actually buy one? Or are we just complaining because complaining is cool?

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>Company spends a fortune reconstructing a duplicate of the original from the ground up that is absolutely true to the original
>Has to painstakingly engineer and test parts themselves since original blueprints are incomplete
>Have to guess what metals to use through trial and error
>Development time is doubled, cost to manufacture is tripled since the originals were extensively hand fitted
>Presents a one hundred percent accurate reproduction
>MSRP: $4500
>Fags on the internet applaud you for your detailed and accurate reproduction, but nobody actually buys one

>Company takes the original designs and engineers only what they have to to make the gun functional
>Change some aspects of the design so it can be cheaper to mass produce and support multiple calibers to reach a broader market
>MSRP: $1800
>Autists on the internet REEEEEEEEEEEE because the stampings don't look exactly the same, but people actually buy them

I can't imagine why HMG would choose the latter option.

>>33538190
yeah, but you can look at a fucking picture for the aesthetics

>>33538064
>Their claim is that "The ATF" told them they couldn't make the lower look original because of "machinegun rules"
That's such horseshit. There is no shortage of semi-auto "machine gun replicas" that have the exact same aesthetics as the machine gun versions.

Like, oh I don't know, THE FUCKING SEMI-AUTO ONLY AR-15
>oh we had to make all the curves and bumps of this receiver look different because otherwise it would look like an M-16
said nobody ever

I swear this outfit only exists to get money from gullible wehraboos.

>>33538281
Exactly, and HMG never marketed their StG-44 reproduction as an exact copy. In their own words in one of the InRange TV videos, they wanted to make a modernized, optimized version of it; the AKM to the StG-44's AK-47.

>>33537450
>as it stands, it was never used in battle and is not cool that way and is also not cool for looking like something that was used in battle
>so what is it cool for?
I dunno, why would a fudd ever buy a fuddgun if it's not Officially Approved Cool (tm)?

>>33538064
I don't think that claim was made.

The lower was never going to look original because they made the decision early on that would use HK trigger packs instead of making original replica packs.

The ATF shit came in because they were talking about design choices they had to make internally to not allow the HK full auto packs from dropping in. Someone asked them about a registered full auto pack and that was the response.

That being said. This whole ordeal has been shitty.

>>33538281
>take cool gun that is admittedly shoddy
>make a replica
>replica is cool because it looks like the OG cool gun
>change the appearance of the replica to build the rifle down to a pricepoint
>gun no longer looks like the og gun at all
>people call it out for looking like shit

>>33538296
>they wanted to make a modernized, optimized version of it
Then they should have cut the shit and made AK-74s

>>33537450
A regular reproduction has never seen combat either and I get that you don't like that it's not a 1-1 reproduction.
For me, what makes it cool is that it's not an AR15 or an AK and not make of plastic like the Tavor or scar

It just boggles me mind that people are more upset because they think it looks ugly

>>33537450
>weapons are only cool if they've been used by REAL OPERATORS

>>33538251

I have one on preorder. I'm an /a/ buyfag so I'm used to dropping money (not this much, though) on something and then not really worrying about it until it finally drops. I'm not really concerned with the aesthetic differences that people are upset about in the thread, since in that respect, I knew what I was getting when I put my order in. I am more concerned about the fact that they didn't have a working model until january. I ordered mine in .300 blackout.

If it's a good rifle, that's fine, if it's a piece of shit, that's also fine because I paid for it two years ago and the cost is no longer a factor in my life. I'll be sad but I knew it wasn't a sure thing when I put down the preorder.

>>33538314
>looks almost the same as the original, except for some simple stamping patterns
>looking like shit

weapons grade autism right there

>>33538323
Plastic guns are fucking awful. With modern CNC, why can't we start making guns with wood again? CNC makes it practical and cheap, we don't need fucking injection molding for complex shapes anymore.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrq0rwp0vbQ

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>>33537506
>it's what the Russians copied to make the ak47

>>33537971
>they copied the idea of the gun
I don't have a reaction image for how stupid this statement it.

>>33538095
No, retard, you don't understand.
The rifles are completely different. The stg 44 is a tilting bolt short stroke gas piston, the ak47 is a rotating bolt long stroke gas piston. They're two COMPLETELY DIFFERENT rifles and were developed in COMPLETELY DIFFERENT ways.
The ONLY thing the Russians copied from the Germans was the idea of shortening their service caliber to on intermediate cartridge.
They. Are. Not. The. Same.

>>33538580
>They. Are. Not. The. Same.
No one said that fucktard, nor did I say they were exact copies, I said what I said and you are obviously too fucking stupid to understand so there is no point in repeating it.

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>>33538617
>nor did I say they were exact copies
>>33537506
>It's what the Russians copied to make the AK-47

>>33538617
What you said was the ak47 was a copy.of the stg44, this statement was baloney.

>>33535616
you're thinking of yurope anon

>>33534494
What triggers me more is the plastic magazines
>lol but they'd cost like $100 to produce steel ones
And yet somehow we can get $10 steel US GI mags for AR's no problem... They should be able to make these fucking things, if anything, for like $40 a piece if no closer to $30

>>33535779
you look like shit aesthetically

>>33536254
>They could have at least made an attempt at getting the stampings right.
>more money,time and material to produce something visual
>gun now costs $2500
>nobody buys the gun
Just of you not knowing what it takes to produce something you should keep your mouth shut.

>>33539573
>And yet somehow we can get $10 steel US GI mags
>something mass produced costs less than something that is just getting in production
>no machines
>no labor
>no materials calculated
I love you guys but you are seriously slow sometimes.

>>33539607
Nice job taking what I said out of context you stupid self righteous faggot

>>33539631
No I didn't.
You are just stupid enough to believe you are right.
And by the way the guy himself said once the initial shipments start they will look into making steel mags so they have some money to work with.

>>33539650
If you think that $40 steel mags for these things are somehow impossible to conceive then you're delusional.

>>33539666
No you are buddy,they have to make everything from ground up only in metal,that includes prototypes,stamping machines,workers and so on.
Here is a pro tip,if you can do it for $40 go and corner the market I will buy 10 from you.
Now go and change the world.

>>33537825

"Georgy Shpagin, designer of the famous PPSh-41 submachine gun, and co-designer of the 12.7mm DShK heavy machine gun, also developed a rifle for the trials before the end of the war. His weapon was an attempt to directly translate the PPSh-41’s design into an intermediate assault rifle, and was unsuccessful. The weapon’s unlocked, straight blowback breech resulted in a very heavy moving mass, and very violent action that spoiled the weapon’s controllability. After only 315 rounds fired, the Shpagin assault rifle was dropped from the competition. However, his design led to a mandate that all further Russian assault rifle designs trialed must be have some kind of breech locking mechanism."

Shpagin's based as fuck. Made a design so shitty they had to change the trial rules.

>>33536799
>The cool thing about historical firearms is that they were actually used to kill people in famous wars

And yet myself and other don't give a shit about that. Sure you could have worded it differently so reinforce the idea of historical significance but no, had to sound like an edgelord

>>33539589
>adding a few ribs to a single stamped metal component will double the cost of the gun
I mean, you tried, but damn was it a shitty attempt.

>>33540466
>modifying critical component does not require any further testing
I mean you tried

>>33537891
In a perfect world I could hop in my time machine, scoop up jmb, Pedersen and korobov teach them of CAD and CNC works and let them loose at kel-tec with a blank check

With a bunch or 6.5x45 laying around the shop for inspiration

>>33534524
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>>33534558
>>33535221
every
fucking
time

>>33540476
>ribbing raised away from any internals, on a low-stress component.
Anon, stop, this is painful.

>>33538295
You know they ran a successful business before this and that's exactly what they did before trying something different with the new gun...

>>33538281
The is honest to god the plain and simple truth of this situation.

>>33538190
They could have parts from a demilled sample taken to a metallurgist for material analysis... it's not that hard to figure out the composition of steel components.

That's no excuse to leave out major features from the external appearance. Even with the changes they needed to make to have it work with G3 trigger packs, they could have at least tried to make the stamping patterns look close, since those are cosmetic and have little to do with the actual function. Instead, they opted to slabside a lot and make it look super cheap.

They kind of fucked themselves into the same corner that reboot film producers do- they want to appeal to the original fan base to draw in hype and sales, but they go and fuck everything up that the original fans would appreciate, and dumb down the product to make it "accessible" in hopes that there's enough broad interest in a very niche thing to prop up sales. This, of course, has the effect of alienating both the original fans and anyone looking for something new and interesting.

>>33538281
>>33540538
One only needs to look as far as SMG's FG42 project to see a clear example of it in action.

>>33540542
I am sure some autist will care enough to make an accurate looking trigger housing stamping and sell it after they sell enough rifles. Hell, maybe HMG will even do it once they release a V2.

>>33538354
The StG44's aesthetic is ugly, unpolished, and unapologetically industrial. They took out the unpolished and industrial looks. Now you just have a really homely rifle.

>>33540556
That alone would help the looks a shit ton. Just have slightly more complex tooling for the press, drill some holes, and insert pop rivets to complete the look.

To me, the magazine well looks really cheap too. Single wall construction, non-flared. This would understandably be a much more complex part to fix. But for the love of god, fix the trigger group sideplates for the V2.

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>>33540582
That is pretty much how the magwell really was though.

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>>33535616
made me reply

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISKnl1OnI9Y

>>33540476
>literally a sheet metal trigger group housing
>critical testing needed and 100% price increase because some cosmetic ribbing was added to compliment what is already there
fucking idiot

>>33538046
>replying to your own posts
pathetic as fuck. I hate neo-/k/

>>33540616
Woah dude hold your horses its just an aftermarket housing they dont even produce chill lmao

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Real ones are pretty cool

>>33540797
You're a manlet

>>33540802
t-t-thanks

>>33540797
yes, but I would still take a M2 over it

>>33540797
>nazi dwarf defends fatherland from Russians (colorized)

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>>33538003
not the guy so cease with the rock thowing

What was Hugo doing in the soviet union post war? Will we ever know how much did he contributed to the AK's design?

https://youtu.be/UQtFYkvascA?t=930 Can someone get me the name of this guy?

>>33539573
no
they'll never be cheap
but the fact is that HMG didn't have to use plastic mags at all
if they had skipped the caliber conversion, they could have used the same mags as real StGs (and had the product to market much sooner, and distorted the proportions less)
reproduction mags are already being produced for ~$100, which is expensive, but not ridiculously bad considering what it is

>>33540731
no, it's just got a G3 trigger group inside

>>33540582
nah
the magwell looks like shit because it's waaaay too long front to back to accommodate retarded caliber conversions and use STANAG mags

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>>33538580

>>33534494
What I don't get is why they didn't just make the magazine release properly? I get the excuse of wanting to use STANAG magazines, but honestly, a PMAG in this shit? They went through the trouble of making repro mags in the first place. No one who has the money to buy this gun isn't going to get a couple repro mags with it, so why fucking bother with STANAG compatibility for one caliber?

>Inb4 300 BLK
No one will buy it in a meme caliber like that when 7.62x39 is available (only in repro mags)

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>>33537671
>What if I told you that the development program that ended in the AK-47 had been in place since 1941
Nope.

>…Зa кaлeндapнyю тoчкy oтcчeтa в иcтopии coздaния AК-47 cлeдyeт пpинимaть 15 июля 1943 гoдa. B этoт дeнь нa зaceдaнии тeхничecкoгo coвeтa Hapкoмaтa вoopyжeния c yчacтиeм гpaждaнcких и вoeнных cпeциaлиcтoв oбcyждaлcя вoпpoc «O paccмoтpeнии нoвых инocтpaнных oбpaзцoв opyжия пoд пaтpoн yмeньшeннoй мoщнocти». Дeмoнcтpиpoвaлcя тpoфeйный кoмплeкc (opyжиe и пaтpoн)— нeмeцкий aвтoмaт MP 43.

>>33542704
x39 wouldn't fit in accurate repro mags either

they should've just produced the gun in 8mm Kurz and use the saved dev costs to get the gun looking better, reduce dev time (faster to market), and, other than mags, keep the same pricepoint

>>33542744
the nigger you going get 8mm kurz son

>>33535221
>so WHO GIVES A DUCK
The ONLY reason to own this shitty overpriced gun is how it looks.

>>33542761
plenty of places have it for ~$0.75 a round
PPU makes it

>>33534516
Looks fine to me. Youre right, its ot supposed to be some autistic replica where everything is just right. They had to make some minor concessions

>>33542744
X39 doesn't fit in the repro mags? Then how the fuck does it work? That's dumb as fuck.

Yeah, they should have just made it in 8mm. PPU prolly would have ramped up production if 15k people started buying it in bulk.

>>33542808
let me explain a bit better
someone already makes accurate repro mags that will only work with 8mm Kurz and only work in original guns and the accurate PTR44/SSD BD-44 repros

HMG is making "repro" mags out of plastic that fit STANAG magwells in multiple variations of multiple calibers
said plastic mags look like shit

>>33540001
>imagine being Georgy
that thing probably had a 4lbs straight blowback bolt

Can someone tell me why Ian and his creepy norwegian boyfriend shilled these fucking things so hard since the shot show?

>>33542896
because they got tours and shit
they're not big enough and don't run the right kind of channels to play with big boy manufacturers
HMG gives them the time of day and plenty of material for their channel

I watch every FG video and most IR videos, but I didn't watch those and I'm surprised at them for giving HMG the time of day on their STG-N project (their CETME-L project was cool though)

>>33542831
That makes me even sadder.

>>33538354
Nigger look at >>33537401 and tell me they're the same. They're the same general shape and that's it. Mag release is wrong, safety is wrong, grip is wrong, stock is wrong, trigger housing is wrong.

>>33538219
>FN CAL
>tilting bolt
And here you go again proving your retardation

>>33537617
Anon, the CETME and G3 are more related to the Stg. 45

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>>33534494
I bought one because the operation is essentially the same invention as used in the orinal STGs, but brought to as close to CONCEPTUAL perfection as modernly possible.

And also some convenience things, like I prefer the trigger pack choice.

I know many of you think the standard is set by the (various and different) original STGs, and I understand your logic.
>But to me, the standard was set in the minds of the developers that birthed it, and that concept can't really be tied permanently to matter.

Whatevs

>>33542744
>I believe that removing half the intended goals in a project equals half as much work
That's you right there.

Much of the development is so overlapping between other calibers that the only stupid choice would have been to not offer it. Where do you people base your assumptions from?

I mean, it is some extra work, but developing for two calibers does not mean doing twice as much work or even alot more.

What made this cost even as much as it did to develop was turning the Purposely Rapid Lemoning of the gun off, or increasing the life of parts and then overcoming the new problems those changes created.

Fucking read a book on basic quantum theory for some philosophy, or at least the uncertainty principle and its own history.

>>33534494
Like, we all get that you dREEEEEEEones hate in on the net, but you figlits would love to even just touch it irl.

>>33537356
Yes that's the one mang

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Guys what do you think about my replica bugatti veyron?
sure it may look a little bit diferent but that shouldn't matter since there basically exactly the same!
>both have 4 wheels
>both only have 2 doors
>both use engines WHAT RUN ON THE EXACT SAME PRINCIPLES
any one who says its not a replica or is a totally diferent car because of the little differences is a FUCKING AUTIST

This is how the people who like this thing sound

>>33545363
KEK'DDDDDD

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>>33537506
BRavo

>>33537362
FG-42 was kinda closed bolt but not really, it was just less open in semi automatic than it was in FA if that makes sense

Here is a real reason why a lot of potential customers have an issue with the HMG STG44:

Not only has it been done before (PTR Made Sturmgewehrs and they are 100% replicas afaik) but it is also very easy to obtain a sturmgewehr in the USA for purposes of examining. I know about three people off the top of my head who own NFA Stg44s and would be more than happy to let a reproducer make plans of their rifles.

Further, SMG guns made an FG42 from scratch, with a price tag of 5000, and they've done just fine. I have a Type 2 FG42 from SMG and it is an excellent reproduction, and something that is really a conversation starter at the range. It shoots very well too.

The collector value of this thing is nothing, it's not correct. Example: MG34 with AR15 trigger group made in semi auto. It looks passable at about 20 feet. VS my TNW MG34 which is a redesign of the MG34 making it closed bolt, and it is 100% made of original parts. It's a matching kit. I could sell my matching kit down the road, for far more than what I paid for it initially. HMG Sturmgewehrs will not be collectors pieces, they will not be historical reproductions, and at the end of the day they will be cheap knock offs with a price tag way too high to justify buying one.

>>33545891
>it's very easy to obtain an NFA stg44
Cool story now why don't get that instead of the HMG

>SMG made a FG42 for $5000
Neat

>collector value is nothing
Now why does a gun need collector value?

>>33545363
>Comparing a mass produced short life rifle to a Bugatti
Shiggitydiggity

>>33547115
wew, is this an accurate representation of the HMGIDF? kinda sad...

>>33547165
You don't believe I like your FG42?

>>33547199
...anon, do you see a name attached to my posts?

jesus, you're stupid

>>33537506
gas yourself lmao

>>33547245
You don't believe I like his FG42?

>>33540614
noice

>>33545891
/thread. Well done namefag.

>>33538314
>It looks nothing like the original
Do you have eyes?

Well, they did call it the StG-"M" for a reason.

I'd rather they had just nigger-rigged some G3 parts into an StG-45 clone receiver, personally. It would have probably been cheaper. To be honest, if it were available with a deep, glossy blued finish I might forgive the design. But nobody is gonna offer that these days.