9mm carbine ghread

>>33529498
>it gasses me like a disobedient Jew.
Shouldn't that be 'like an overexcited nazi"?

>>33529533
Sure, it gasses me like an over excited nazi.

are 9mm carbines actually useful? I like how they are cheap to feed but what can i actually do with it?

Beretta Cx4 is probably your best bet. Get a Ruger camp 9 if you can. Otherwise you can build an AR in 9mm or go cheap and get a ghetto blaster hipoint which are effective but cheap feeling and ugly.

>>33529795
http://www.ballisticsbytheinch.com/megraphs/9mm.html

High capacity, low recoil, low cost, effective against human-sized targets.

>>33529795
fight steel. those bastards.

>>33529795
I was next to an older guy, his rifle looked dead on to what op posted (sorry i don't know every model of every gun) some other guy was asking about it, he said it was fun to shoot, but it was inconsistent, he was shooting at 50 yards and his spread was kinda all over. Maybe it was him idk

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>Getting a pistol caliber carbine in anything other than 10mm

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Wish they made box mags for the Ruger deerfield carbine.

>>33529795
9mm out of a 16" barrel is roughly equivalent to .357 magnum out of a 3" barrel. They are as accurate as a rifle too, yes it's a light combat effective weapon with ammo commonality to your handgun.

>>33529498
>>33529498
The Chiappa M1-9 infuriates me because if it wasn't so shit (from what I've seen online), it would have checked so many boxes for me.
>scratch itch for WWII nostalgia
>relatively cheap
>9mm so cheap to shoot
>Non-restricted in Canada

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Built this off of a PSA lower. It's fun but I haven't done anything with it other than zero at an indoor range. I need to take it out to the desert and see what it's actually capable of.

>>33530278
This, this so Fucking much.

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Pic related is what I got. Bought it as a .45. Got the 9mm and .40 inserts for $100 more. An Ar carbine will be better if you want to pay $200 for a stamp.

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Pcc's are God gift

>>33529498
Avoid the Chiappa 9mm, it's dogshit, never once have I seen anyone say anything but bad things about it.

If you can find a Ruger PC9 for cheap (and I stress for cheap), it's pretty good, but it won't take CZ75 mags, and I know no rifle that does.

>>33531627
That thing taking 75b mags is everything I could want.
However, I'm just going to give up on 9mm and have an LGS holding an inland m1 carbine for me. It's kind of rough but it's only $375.

>>33530001

cheap to feed is the goal here

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I want a bolt action 9mm.

There I said it.

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>>33529498
.30 carbine is better

>>33531946
So do I, with a 36" barrel.
Think of how quiet that would be.

>>33531956
See
>>33531831

I only wanted to stock 9mm and 12g as my only 2 calibers though.

>>33532001
Yeah exactly. I have a can coming and I would love to go full quiet. The only option I'm aware of is a Novem 9mm, which is a conversion of a .22 tcm armascor. A built to order affair.

>>33531627
>>33531831

I'm a bit late, but I think There's a 9mm AK Pistol out now that takes CZ75 mags.

Problem is it fucking wrecks the followers after a few thousand rounds.

>>33531956

then how come no one uses .30 cabine anymore?

>>33529816
I found a used CX4 near me and it seemed pretty nice, but does it offer anything noteworthy over some cheaper picks like a Chiappa M1-9 or a Lel Kek Sub2k other than the spacegun aesthetic and 92 magazine compatibility?

Alternatively, someone in my area is selling a Vector Arms Uzi carbine for $800. I'd almost go for it just for the style.

>>33534156
Don't buy the chiappa. As much as I want them to be good. They arent

does anyone make an actually decent pistol caliber m1 carbine?

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>>33534120
Because after the M1 Carbine, it was 70+ years before anybody even came up with the term "PDW," much less made another one. It was too far ahead of its time.

>>33535302
Okay, maybe not 70, but a long time.

>>33529822
i read that as memegraphs

>>33535302
I fucking hate Cabelas so fucking god damn much.
I go in there
>enfield $2,000
>pythons (whole case), $5,000 each
>1897 $899
I can only imagine what they'd price an m1 carbine at.

>>33535339
Cabelas reminds me WoW auction house trolls but they're doing it in real life with guns.

>>33530342
whered you get your pps 43

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>>33534156
That's not bad for a Vector.
>>33532870
A modern day Destroyer Carbine in 9x19 would be the ticket.

>>33535381
Same question here.

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MPX or bust

>>33530295
Should be good to 100 yds. Put a nice 4-6x red dot thingy on it, like a strike eagle.

>>33535691
Where tf would you hold it comfortably

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>>33535785
That one isnt very well setup

>>33535803
Yeah I fuck with these hard, would put a vertical grip on mine solely for aesthetics though

>>33535691
>>33535803
Scorpion is better

>>33535917
True, especially when you factor in price.

>>33530342
for those of us less informed can you please name what's presented there, 2 and 6 especially

>>33531946
it's like they grabbed him right out of bed after a night of heavy drinking, and they had him pose with his gun an his "catch"

the look on his face is pure confusion.

>>33530001
If you're willing to pay the price for 10mm you may as well just get a rifle and buy rifle ammo

>>33535917
Czechshit

>>33530342
Goddamn I love the look of Linda carbines, looks like a gun straight out of Fallout.

>>33536052
Not op, but it looks like he's got:
1. A Wilkinson Arms Linda 9mm Carbine
2. Calico M900 9mm Carbine
3. Sterling L2A3 Carbine in 7.62x25mm Tokarev (possibly Wiselite Arms)
4. Suomi M31 Carbine
5. Uzi Carbine
6. PPS-43 Carbine

>>33530342

Best pic I've seen here in weeks

>>33530342
>Pcc's are God gift
only ones chambered in 10mm are

I had an Uzi 9mm carbine that I promptly sold after one visit to the range. It was a POS.

I think Iver Johnson used to make a 9mm rifle. Don't know anything about it, except I believe I saw one one time and wasn't impressed.

>>33536216
>Iver Johnson


>When Phillip Lynn Lloyd moved Universal Firearms to Jacksonville, AR in 1984 the assets of Universal Firearms included thousands of receivers partially machined from forged steel billets that had yet to be finish machined. These receivers could be finish machined for use with either the Universal Firearms designed carbine, or an M1 Carbine as those manufactured by Iver Johnson's Arms that were compatible with surplus government GI parts.

With the influx of large quantity of Universal Firearms unfinished receivers and additional parts, Iver Johnson's began using these receivers and parts to manufacture their Iver Johnson's M1 Carbines. This practice was extended to their 9mm Carbines, which were made almost entirely from the parts and receivers from Universal Firearms, finish machined and built by Iver Johnson's into a 9mm Carbine that closely resembled the .30 caliber M1 Carbine.

Sales of their 9mm Carbine stopped by October 1986 when Lloyd filed for Chapter 7 bankruptcy. In 1989 Iver Johnson as a Division of AMAC indicated the introduction of another 9mm Carbine they designated as the Delta 786. Sellers sometimes misidentify the earlier Iver Johnson 9mm Carbine as the Delta 786. No 9mm carbines with the markings used by Iver Johnson as a division of AMAC 1987-1991 have yet to be located.

>>33529498
>What's a good pistol carbine

HI POINT

GETTING A FUCKING HI POINT

LESS THAN $300 FOR A LIFE TIME WARRANTY. IGNORE THE MEMING FUDDS WHO SHIT ON HI POINTS WHILE RECOMMENDING TURKISH POTMETAL IN THE SAME BREATH.

>>33530342

How's your M31 been? I'm a bit on the fence about them

>>33536736
but theyre so goddamn ugly

>>33537413

And the disassembly is a bitch

>>33537413
this is the only reason why i dont have one. itd be fun to get one just for fucking around

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Would something like this count as a pistol caliber carbine?
How good are these things and do they still make them? I love the look of the thing
Also a bonus that they are legal to own in the People's Republic of New York I guess...

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>>33537413

Soon..

>>33537549
Yes. Pistol caliber revolver carbine.

>>33530183
wish they still made those guns

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I love my AR9 cheap and fun to plink with i can shoot pistol spinning targets without fucking them up.

>>33534156
That's a pretty good price for a Vector Uzi, but I'd ask to check it out before buying it.

The CX4 is pretty good.

Again, STAY AWAY FROM THE CHIAPPA M1, IT IS VERY BAD.

>>33535183
There's some body/stock kits for the Ruger 10/22 that makes it look vaguely like an M1 Carbine.

>>33530278
It's really frustrating, indeed.
Like, conceptually, it should work, the action is more or less a copy of the Ruger PC9, an absolutely excellent and well balanced 9mm carbine, but everything about it is just SO shit.

>>33536189
>>33530001
spergs, leave

>>33535917
>flimsy cheap blowback gun with a plastic body is better than a gas-operated, locked-breech gun with an aluminum body

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>>33537549
I tracked down one of these because I wanted something western but not a levergun and didn't want to waste my time on a pistol permit for it.

Its fun as fuck to plink with and looks pretty, always gets attention when unsheathed.

>>33539659
How's the weight balance on it? I wouldn't want to put my hand in front of the cylinder, so it being front-heavy would really suck.

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>>33535381
>>33535570
>>33536052
>>33536156
>>33536174
>>33537075
I go to bed and miss all the replies. Pps is built off a 43pistol. Had barrel extended and then the rear of the reciever was cut off and a pps53 recieved end welded on. It's flawless.
Suomi is nice. Is a tgi gun I think. Only fault is how fucking heavy and some I let shoot it fuck with the trigger somehow. I don't understand it. I shoot it and it's great. I'll had it to my friend and somehow the trigger won't always reset.

Anon who checked it pretty much nailed it. Sterling is wiselite in tokarev. I have the 9mm parts though.
The linda is actually a terry. Same thing though.

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Terry with early 80s aimpoint

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The only real answer

unless you have fired one you won't understand

>>33540220
The only reason they became popular is that they were closed bolt SMG's in an era where that wasn't really a thing.

>>33535917
>>33536039
Hi point is better than glock, especially when you factor in the price

that how retarded you sound

>>33540243
>The only reason they became popular is that they were closed bolt SMG's in an era where that wasn't really a thing.

so you have never fired one and experienced the smoothest 9mm carbine action ever made?

I see

>>33540263
Any closed bolt locked breech carbine in 9x19 will be smooth.

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Pps43/52 internals.

>>33540284

wrong

go fire a delayed blowback firearm like the HK then fire a 9mm AR carbine or Beretta type 9mm

the HK will be much smoother

>>33536039

>>33540319
Both the 9mm AR's and the CX4 are straight-blowback.

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>only carbine I ever wanted
>they're exceedingly rare and fucking expensive
Fucking armslist

>>33540331
>Both the 9mm AR's and the CX4 are straight-blowback.

and are less smooth than the delayed roller blowback of the HK which is a different design

>>33535803
I have since mounted the light to the side. After I get a suppressor for it, I'll pick up a new hand guard and run a suppressor under it. Other than that it works well for me.

>>33540339
So when I say "locked breech", your argument is to bring up straight-blockback carbines?

Put down the HKoolaid for a minute and think.

>>33537664
>converts the gun to bullpup
>still just as long
???

>>33540346

I own an HK94 and a 9mm AR, there is no comparison

the HK is smooth like butter and the AR seems to have more recoil than a .223

>>33536039
This
Try to buy MPX mags and compare the price to Scorpion mags.

>>33540346

oh and my AR 9mm is not straight blowback it's gas

>>33540358
>>33540361
I have never seen a 9x19 AR that uses DGI.

>>33540359
If you cant find MPX mags online for $35, you just lack basic shopping skills. I picked up a 3 pack plus a triple mag pouch for $60 shipped.

Until the CZ starts making steel lipped mags, you better get used to paying to replace each mag after it gives out.

>>33540361
What model?

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Sterling tokarev mags

>>33540361
Need pics.

>>33540361
Prove it.

>>33540361
You're full of shit.

>>33540361
Why you always lyin?

>>33540361
oh and my AR 9mm is not gas it's unicorn farts

>>33531831
>>33532014
Never mind, it was a Plainfield reproduction; did not buy.

>>33536736
I've only ever heard good things. They may be a great value but they're so damn ugly.

>>33540256
SIG is garbage rusting Exeter shit made for pasty faced soft wannabe operators and lowest bid gubment cannon fodder.
It's over priced zinc bullshit with quality control issues.
If you own a SIG you're a faggot period.

I'd sooner buy an he.

>>33540646
What length gas tube do you need for unicorn farts?

>>33540666
about 7 inches

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>>33529498

Suppressed AR-9 a best.

>>33540685
I need to build a psa 9mm. Keep buying other shit

>>33540830
I want to build a psa 9mm carbine too, but can't decide what mag style to get. Glock or Colt style? I don't own any other guns that would have mag commonality with either.

>>33540243
It's very well built and smooth shooting, an SBR'd HK94 (or even a genuine MP5) is an incredibly nice and handy 9mm carbine.

You're a fucking dumb faggot if you think otherwise.

>>33540862
I like the look of colt/uzi style more. I still debate about glock mags though.

>>33540875
Any locked breech closed bolt carbine in 9x19 is going to be soft shooting. Filling a niche first does not make something the penultimate of said niche.

>>33540862
Colt for aesthetics, Glock for function.

Can't go wrong with either though.

>>33540952
>Any locked breech closed bolt carbine in 9x19 is going to be soft shooting. Filling a niche first does not make something the penultimate of said niche.

how many other high quality 9mm carbines can you name that are not straight blowback

delayed roller blowback is still the greatest 9mm carbine

>>33541051
They are few and far between because locking isn't really necessary for a 9x19 long gun. As long as it fires from a closed bolt, accuracy and controlability are more than adequate.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FNAB-43
This one, for instance, was pretty fucking nice, but the vast majority of people deemed that it wasn't worth the added expense over cheaper contemporaries.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spectre_M4
This one was even available in semi-auto in the US.

There are others, but I don't feel like digging.

>>33541185
Hmmm, wait. Actually the M4 was straight blowback. Could've sworn it was delayed.

>>33540952
MP5 isn't locked breech.

>>33540319
>>33540339
Well no shit it will be smoother, the Beretta is unlocked blowback, the MP5 is delayed blowback.

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>>33541051
Calico.

>>33541258
It has a smooth delayed blowback action, but it's a shame the magazines seem so finicky and spotty.

>>33541232
Fair enough. Roller locking and roller delay aren't quite the same, but the bolt still doesn't need even remotely as much mass as a straight blowback either way.

>>33541266
That and the sights aren't great are what really holds it back

>>33541367
50 rounders work just fine and rails exist for em. Still a gimmick though.

>>33541367
The sights are vastly exaggerated, they do just fine for the ranges you use a 9mm carbine and you don't notice any POI changes between mag changes.

>>33539618
This. I mean what other successful 9mm subguns have ever used plebe tier blowback and were made out of literal sewer pipe being the polymer of the day. Oh wait...Almost all of them. I know a gas operated lock breech sounds real high speed but it isn't necessary in this application.

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9mm ARs are fucking great

>>33540665
>brand elitism
>aluminum rusting to the extent of steel

try harder

>>33543106
I didn't say blowback was bad, I'm saying locked breech is superior, because it can be way lighter.

>>33545658
>>33540256

My real issue with the Sig is that doesn't do anything better than the scorpion except for cost more. Granted the scorpion isn't perfect but even with some upgraded parts and a tax stamp its still cheaper and better. I also prefer the look of the scorpion

Here's a good video that describes some of the shortcomings of the MPX design such as Issues with the barrel nut and the fact that the ar type charging handle makes it less suppressor friendly than the scorpion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sS0rEazh1kI

>>33545658
>I'm saying locked breech is superior, because it can be way lighter.
You do know that the CZ is lighter than the MPX right?

The SIG is inferior due mostly to the charging handle which bleeds more gas into your face. I start getting a nose full of snoot after just a mag or 2 when I shoot AR pattern guns. The forward charging handle on the scorpion isn't only ergonomically superior and badass, it allows the guns ass end to be sealed up in way that doesn't gas you.

The mp5 may be superior to the scorpion, at 3 times the cost I hope it is but the SIG absolutely is not. It's just a pretty toy for pudgy wannabe man children who don't know shit about guns.
SIGs = gay
Scorpion > SIG

>>33540359
I am am mpxfag but I will conceed that for recreational purposes the skorpeen does about the same thing for alot less.. but get over the mags.

>1200 for pistol
>250 for fancy stock
>400 in tax stamps
>600 for suppressor

People who do this don't care about 60 dollar mags.

>>33547536
Thats a fair point. Personally if I had sig money I'd buy a scorpion and use the spare 400 to pay the tax stamp and buy a few aftermarket parts for it.

>>33529498
>and especially as a lefty
AR carbine, normal right-handed version

or something with AR-like furniture


t. lefty shooter

>>33540354
It's pretty much just to make the gun look better and not school shooter tier.

>>33534156
It won't jam unless something is physically broken or missing from the internals.

>>33529816
>ruger camp 9
That's not how you spell marlin, friend.

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How many times do you have to be warned about stopping power?

How many times, Pyle?

>>33529795
no
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgxSaWPZPUc

>>33548488
Not all pistol caliber long guns are bad, mainly ones in .30 carbine,.357,.44 or 10mm. Anything else seems kinda eh why, I kinda want a 9mm carbine but its not really justifiable unless I could do a colt smg pistol cheap by some miracle.

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I've been thinking about getting this in 9mm.
Opinions?

>>33530001
I've considered it
10mm from a 16in barrel is fucking powerful as hell.
It picks up like 500fps

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>>33548488
Go back to your ditch.

>>33548655
Kriss Vector? Unless you really like the ergos, I seriously wouldn't bother, they advertise the lesser recoil but it really feels exactly like shooting any other blowback.

For just a few hundred more you could buy a Zenith (turkroach) MP5 clone which is vastly superior to shoot. Then you could either SBR it, or if you're not afraid of the ATF, use an armbrace on it in a naughty way.

>>33548655
I despise the trend in firearms where the sights have gotten farther and farther from the bore. I know it's for controllability it you're talking about a 9mm pdw. It cause point of aim inconsistency with variable cqc distances.
>nb4 train

>>33540361
Pics or gtfo

>>33540361
Well, it's certainly hot air.

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>>33550841
Uh, you know that tall sights are kind of fucking necessary with an inline stock, right?
The height of your sights are proportional to the height of your cheekweld.

If you put really low profile sights on a regular AR15, it's gonna be awkward as shit to use them. Looking at this old sporter with a scope mounted on the carry handle, it also has a cheek riser so that you can get a proper cheekweld and look through the optic.
Without the riser, you'd have a difficult time getting a functional position and cheekweld while using the sights, with the riser, but without the scope, the sights on the gun would be way too low for you to look through.

>>33530183
the deer stalker was a detachable mag I think

>>33551179
wait no. im wrong.

>>33540361
And my AR works on meme magic/k/

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>>33547668
Yeah I don't disagree. I considered this option myself. A skorpion plus folding shockwave kit was on my 9mm shortlist, and if my only concern was having a good, fun 9mm shooter I would have gone that way. Spending significantly more money on the Mpx was really an expression of the gun autism I carry as a result of my 80s action movie childhood. My list went like this

>skorpion
Cheapest option, good shooter by most account

>mp5 clone.
Fucking expensive everything but the closest thing to the Die Hard villain aesthetics I'm looking for. Have to choose between shoddy paki finish or paying good used car prices. Stocks, esp cuck braces are tricky as well

>mpx
Middle child of price, excellent modular stock options including a really good loophole brace. Modernized operating system and modularity in a car chase and dramatic explosion mp5ish form that I crave.
>pic related

CZ Scorpion. Get one, you won't regret it.

I have close to 3k rounds through it in the 6 months I've owned it. I have had only one case of FTEs, and that was due to underpowered loads. I put 600 rounds through it in a day, all different kinds 115grn, 124, 147, steel cased, brass cased, JHP, FMJ, you name it, and it ate it all. I've had it SBRd for 3 months now and love it. If you do go the SBR route, don't buy the 922r compliance kit, there's plenty of us made aftermarket out there that you can use for compliance parts. I would say you'd probably want to swap the safety for sure (awkward placement) and possibly the mag release and charging handle.

>>33535339
Well I saw a rough looking Iver Johnson, garbage ass civi repro, for $500 dollars in one near by me so I'm guessing a mix master carbine would start at probably 1k...

>>33552566
MPX's actually run very close to MP5 clones, but with not as many goodies. Zenith has amazing deals.

>Scorpion
Gasses you less than sig
Has a better charging handle than sig
Weighs less than sig
Is developing a better aftermarket than sig.
Costs less than sig
Less gay than sig

If money were no object I'd get an hk but choosing the sig over the scorpion is just dumb.

>>33553407
Also DAT PADDLE MAG RELEASE.