Spetsnaz

>>33519045
As a joke. Just like every other branch of the Russian military.

More dangerous to their allies than their enemies

>>33519061
/Thread

>>33519045
probably as a bunch of drunks with no moral compass. I did a tour in Kosovo and the Russian airborne unit was a bunch of weed smoking thieves that never left their compounds at night. I'm sure like SF in the US, lots of their members are drawn from the airborne community.

I helped collaborate the cumulative western knowledge of Soviet special forces in the late 1970s and into the early 80s - which turned from a real weekends/after hours job into something a lot deeper and wider by the time I left it.

They varied massively in quality and role. I'd be happy to answer questions.

>>33519204

A rare source, then. This should be interesting. Is the thing about them wearing unmarked berets true, or was? And do they actually carry those spring knives?

>>33519204
When you say vary in quality, what are we talking here? As in from drunk, drug-addled jackoffs to well-oiled death squads?

>>33519204
Please and thanks,

what is something unique to Spetznaz in terms of hostage doctrine? All I know is about the botched Chechnyan school situation.

>>33519164
> a bunch of drunks with no moral compass

a moral compass is a liability when it comes to war, mankind's least moral endeavor.

>>33519204
>I helped collaborate the cumulative western knowledge of Soviet special forces in the late 1970s and into the early 80s - which turned from a real weekends/after hours job into something a lot deeper and wider by the time I left it.

Did you end up with a book? If so, where can one read it

>>33519045
Niggerish thugs with training.

>>33519265
No. Think something similar to a NATO reconnaissance platoon in an Infantry battalion, right up to SAS/Delta type operations. All would be designated Spetsnaz on their ORBAT.

>>33519259
They'd wear the uniform and insignia of those they were deployed alongside. For instance, if they were the special purposes troops of the 13th Guards Rifle Division - they would wear the insignia and uniforms of the 13th Guards Rifle Division.

When they sent their guys on generic courses (driving, political instruction, languages) they wore parent unit insignia (ie, the specific unit they had been part of prior to special forces - not their Division). Whilst on these courses they were encouraged to identify capable or interesting individuals, who would then be assessed by superiors.

>>33519331

I have seen some video coverage of Spetsnaz training which seems excessive. Especially jumping, kicking and so on. Is this an actual priority focus area?

>>33519287
You've got to remember, when I was penning this the first time round there was very little approved counter terrorist/hostage resolution training. Munich had happened, and by the time the Soviets had invaded Afghanistan the Iranian Embassy Siege had occurred, but the general western attitude was to leave it to police units.

What I'm driving at is that we knew very little of CT operations (the focus was on counter-revolutionary warfare and stay behind operations) so what we were tasked to acquire was the Soviet opposite number.

Very, very few terrorist organisations would have mounted a hostage situation or attack against the USSR or a Soviet interest. There's some interesting reading on why terrorists target western democracies.

>>33519164
>no moral compass
That's good though
>inb4 ouch that edge

>>33519204
Be interested in hearing your opinion of their para and combined arms behind enemy lines deployment capabilities over the official Russian versions and how we saw it in the west.

>>33519287
To be fair, Beslan was probably a worse case scenario and would have only been overcome with exacting timing, at any point if it went wrong the end result would have been the same. But bad luck and general fuckery from other Russians in the area kind of kicked it off quicker than expected.

>>33519331
>>33519358
So spetsnaz was more or less a catch all term like special forces right?

What kind of harm or talent loss can you say/describe occurred during the fall of the USSR in terms of troop abilities, capabilities, and experience?

>There's some interesting reading on why terrorists target western democracies.
Can you give us some book titles? We'd love to add them to our /k/ library.

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>>33519395
This should help you a bit.

>>33519061
If the Russian military is such a joke, why is NATO so mindful of them?

>>33519358
Thanks for the reply!

>>33519432
Probably because the last person to take them as a joke in 1944 got their asshole torn apart

>>33519353
This was one of the main nuts we had to crack. The expectation was that they would train completely differently to the rest of the Soviet military - no reliance on the set piece, improvisation, internal training and so on.

The result was somewhere in the middle. They weren't quite as independent, even at the highest levels, as an SAS unit would be but they weren't tied to the plan in the same way a Soviet motor rifle unit was. They were above the manual labour and punishment beatings but the idea of them running their own CRW school, for example, was alien. Everything still went through the conventional channels, even though they were unconventional troops.

>>33519395
>So spetsnaz was more or less a catch all term like special forces right?

Yes.

>What kind of harm or talent loss can you say/describe occurred during the fall of the USSR in terms of troop abilities, capabilities, and experience?
This is a broad question, and not one I could really isolate to Soviet/successor state SF. In my personal opinion, their internal troops and highest level operators retained and were allowed to improve on their skills. The rest, as the rest of the post Soviet armies, stagnated somewhat. It wasn't quite as bad as some commentators suggested - Spetsnaz troopers were not being hired in their own barracks to be $100 hitmen, but there certainly was a large downturn. If that was any better or worse than the Soviet military as a whole, I couldn't say.

>Can you give us some book titles?
Chia Yi Lee - Democracy, Civil Liberties, and Hostage-Taking Terrorism
Marc Sageman - Understanding Terror Networks
Rodney Tiffen - Contested Narratives, Ambiguous Impacts and Democratic Dilemmas
Joe Teyerman - Terrorism and Democratic States
Weinberg and Eubank - Terrorism and Democracy: What Recent Events Disclose

>>33519687

The 'little green men' in Ukraine were assumed to be Spetsnaz. They definitely seemed to be knowing what they were doing. Where did these crack units come from? There was a sense of team there I've never seen among Russian units before. I grant you, I have probably seen very little of them in the past.

>>33519045
Larry Vickers agreed they're on par with detachment Delta, which is basically the the top special forces unit on earth.

>>33519810
>The 'little green men' in Ukraine were assumed to be Spetsnaz. Where did these crack units come from?

That's probable. They were also, apparently, taking volunteers from across the Russian military and even some from Belarus. It's likely that they were formed as units in Russia before deploying, not whole existing ones.

The Russian volunteers and formed units fighting in Ukraine are going to be made up of men who were very young, or not alive, when the Soviet union was collapsing. My guess (and this is a guess) is that they've adopted a more western approach in recent years due to downsizing and the abandonment of conscription.

>>33519810

I'm not the informator guy, so don't take my words as the Lord's speak.

I believe the little green men were 45th VDV with the addition of GRU operators.

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>>33519851
>>33519810
Look at the guy in the middle with the grenade launcher,there's also an EOtech on it, now ask yourself how did some Ukrainian rebel teenagers get their hands on such equipment?

because Ukrainian, they HAVE to be ruskies

>>33519997
I don't think anyone suggested otherwise

>>33519061
FCBC

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>>33519045
Extremely dangerous, brave and well trained. You don't wanna be their target.

>>33520019
Just giving my 2 cents.

>>33519296
Which makes having and using a moral compass all the more important

I am almost afraid to ask because this is one thread I do not want to see derailed.

In the Syrian campaign we've seen the Russians put effort into having muslims in their ranks. Which seem to be working out well. How are the Spetsnaz at intentionally diversifying otherwise? Do they have women, black people, asians and so on among them?

>>33520172
>In the Syrian campaign we've seen the Russians put effort into having muslims in their ranks. Which seem to be working out well. How are the Spetsnaz at intentionally diversifying otherwise? Do they have women, black people, asians and so on among them?
They have few Chechen teams. That's the extent of their "diversity".

Russia's military is fairly homogeneous and very white. There's no blacks. That's why they'll remain united as a country for the next few hundred years. Same cannot be said about NATO.

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>>33520198

>no blacks

>>33520198
>Slavs
>White

>>33520304
Those are trainees from Africa. They're not Russians. Russia's not the US.

>>33520346
Whiter than US, and Western Europe... which won't even be majority white in a decade's time. Stay mad David.

>>33520198

Russians wouldn't diversify for political reasons. But they might have strategical reasons. The old Soviet power were active in South America, Africa and Asia. As 'advisors' I know, but there could be a considerable number of them. And you can say what you want about Putin but he has never been lacking in ambition.

>>33520304
I don't have my blacksnaz pic on my phone, but I'll post it if this thread is up tomorrow. He looks like he's rocking that aquamarine beret and wings
>VDV! How many victories?

>>33520198
Russia is 20 percent Islamic and they rely heavily on recruits from Central Asia, particularly for their more isolated garrisons.

>>33519687

>>33519687
>In my personal opinion, their internal troops and highest level operators retained and were allowed to improve on their skills. The rest, as the rest of the post Soviet armies, stagnated somewhat.

Spot on.

I was in the 876th Desant/61st R.M.P Kirkinesskaya 1992-1998. After the collapse, C.T. units like the 604th Vityaz, ODON/OMON in the MVD, the FSBs Alfa and Vympl, they had their budgets virtually unchanged or cut down men so allocation per staff member remained near the same, while the VDV and most Army SpetSnaz received cuts. The Navy shifted funding away from surface fleet to subs and with that away went the money for all non-airborne Naval Infantry units.

Chechnya was apparent even in 1991, so Russia knew it would need an effective occupying force. After Chechnya I, the government redid it's efforts and the FSB and MVD got way more expertice. They offered Airborne troops a pay increase of 40% to move to the MVD and FSB, but a lot of us didn't because the officer corps was mismanaged and too political. After chechnya II they did a bit of an officer purge and then much of us went. The Marines lost about 20% of its NCO corps to the MVD and FSB in one year actually.

Thanks for telling people what SpetSnaz actually means. I've explained this for years on /k/ and no one gets it.

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>>33520407
Russians will never diversify.

>>33520423
Russia has military exchange programs with few African countries that buy their weapons. There's no blacks in Russian Spetsnaz.

>>33520424
>Russia is 20 percent Islamic
The same old meme... kek. They care concentrated in Chechnya and Dagestan. Russians are decimating them every few years. They're still exterminating them in Dagestan as we speak.

I watched a documentary about Russian subs last year (it's on YT) and they even have christian prayers on the sub and also religious icons and paintings in them. If you had that in the US, heads would roll. Generals would resign. Kek. Stay mad, heretic.

A few years ago there were stories of Russias military having a very hard inner justice. Veterans literally killing rookies during hazing, soldiers raping soldiers and so on. Is that a Spetsnaz culture of our days?

Mind you, we had that veteran shit here too back when I was in the army and the tv was in black and white... but at least it was not reinforced by first and boot.

>>33520484
I know that infamous video we've all seen got those three trainers twenty years in prison each.

>>33520454
I might agree, but afro-russians are a thing, I thought the pic was interesting because it looked like his facial features had a bit of Slav mixed in
>Inb4 Russians are niggers anyway

>>33520484
BTW that appeared in soviet military when they started taking former prisoners as conscripts.

>>33520598
>but afro-russians are a thing

Russian women are loose as fuck and let any guy of any race or nationality fuck them without a condom and cum inside them. So there is Russian-anything.

>>33520598
>afro-russians are a thing
Dude, they're not. I travel to Russia often because of business that I'm in. I'm yet to see a black person on the streets of Moscow.

These Africans in these pics that ppl troll with are just on an exchaine/training from Africa.

>>33519432

Because most NATO nations are bigger jokes then Russia right now.

>>33520688
>>33520667
In the 20s Africans were invited into the USSR, there's not a lot of them, but they exist.

>>33520720
Also the 50s.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afro-Russian
Inb4 we wuz slavs n shieeeettt

>>33520484
Soldiers getting raped happens in any military.

Dedovshchina is just not letting the guy sleep, beating him up for sleeping or humiliating them. But you Westerners are obsessed with it that you created this fantasy that dedovschina is about torturing them, selling their organs, prostituting them and shoving a hot iron up their asses.

>>33519810
The siege and massacre in Beslan was the last major failure by the Russian Forces still dilapidated by massive economic crash of the 90s. They've been working diligently to re-invent themselves since that, which is why is very common nowadays to see Russian Special Units using western gear. It's hard to say how much they've improved since there were no major terrorists attacks like that since 2004.

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>>33520688
Moscow =/= all of Russia

>>33520781
Those dudes look full on African though. Damn it, I should have the pic I'm talking about on hand

>>33520720
>>33520743
US is already a minority white country for children under 10. it will become a minority white country by 2040. US is done.

>>33520781
kek'd. notice the armbands? they're from Africa. they're africans trying to pass VDV qualifications. stay stupid.

>>33520424
>Russia is 20 percent Islamic
Only 6.5 of Russians are muslims. I don't know where you pulled that number from now.

>>33520802
>Those dudes look full on African though. Damn it, I should have the pic I'm talking about on hand
they are. look at the armbands.

>>33520806
OK? That has no bearing on what I was talking about. I was just pointing out that 40-70k Afro-Russians exist.

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>>33520781
These are just African students bro.

Afro-Russian are mixed guys like the guy on the left.

>>33520766

I have no idea what your sources are for this. Mine were news articles in national newspapers and magazines. Complete with pictures from the barracks and interviews with soldiers. Those were years ago though. Hence my interest in what the current state is.

>>33519851
The "Little Green Men" who secured Crimea were Russian Naval Infantry for the most part backed by VDV elements and Special units.
Remember Russia had a brigade stationed in Sevastopol on a leased base

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>>33520839
Edik Lewis is another Afro-Russian(Ukrainian to be more specific). If you watch Russian porn, you've seen this guy at least a dozen times.

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>>33519432

Can't let your guard down, not even with comedy goldmines like Russia.

You still need to be able to grab that giant chicken by the throat and fuck it up at any given moment.

Just so it knows its place - below any and all western countries, that is.

>>33520858
Yeah, I've seen him.

>>33520743
>None have White fathers
Russia btfo

>>33520304
African countries covet paratrooper forces. Paratroops and heliborne forces are extremely effective in Africa. Alot of them send trainees to Russia because running an airborne school is no cheap task

I met some Russians while I was stationed in kyrgyzstan. Their officers kept asking how we're able to get our guys to come back if they go on leave or simply by themselves downtown. Apparently their troops are constantly looking for ways to run away.

They also have extremely outdated equipment, zero morale, and border on mental impairment on a mentally retarded level. They are really really dumb and I'm not saying that to be a dick.

Their entire military is a joke and the West just leverages it to push propaganda.

The spetznas do the typical peacocking third world "special forces" do. For example smash stones wth a hammer a top another members chest, jump through rings of fire like circus clowns, and other ridiculous shit that has zero practical application but is impressive to peasants and uneducated masses that populate most of their homeland.

>>33520878
Interesting, one of my professors was a paratrooper in the Ghanan military.

>we wuz jumpin outta planez n' sheeit

>>33520850
If you did some research, you would that these cases happened in non-white areas, in units that never had any sort of discipline or order. It only got reported after Slavic Russians started being conscripted into these units. Because for a local person from the region, these things are normal.

>>33520881
>The spetznas do the typical peacocking third world "special forces" do. For example smash stones wth a hammer a top another members chest, jump through rings of fire like circus clowns, and other ridiculous shit that has zero practical application but is impressive to peasants and uneducated masses that populate most of their homeland.
You do know that they only do that shit in public events to keep the crowd impressed, right? Or do you think that the average Russian would be more interested in seeing a group of little-green-men cutting the pie in a killhouse?

>>33520863

Stay mad, eurocuck. Maybe Ahmed won`t behead you while Jamal buttfucks your sister.

>>33520904
Air Assault heliborne forces are more expensive and Paratroops offer a excellent form of mobility in a land mass with sparse effective air defense, plenty of varying geography for nap of earth/low altitude flight and access to cheap cargo aircraft/bush craft
Read up on Rwanda's paratroops for example

>>33520881
>The spetznas do the typical peacocking third world "special forces" do. For example smash stones wth a hammer a top another members chest, jump through rings of fire like circus clowns, and other ridiculous shit that has zero practical application but is impressive to peasants and uneducated masses that populate most of their homeland.

It's VDV who does this and it's not for training. It's just shows for civilians to see. Most of their training is in a classroom learning theoretical stuff.

>>33519045
Spetsnaz is a broad as fuck word that refers to many units in Russia, so it's not fair to paint them as any specific thing.
If you see someone say they're bad, or a joke, it's more than likely that they don't know jackshit about them, or what they've done, aside from vague memes about killing hostages.

>>33520914
C-O-P-E

They're a joke, there's no getting around that vlad. I'm sure the population would rather watch them breach and clear a shoothouse but 1. They can't afford the ammunition, 2. They are such shit at their actual jobs they'd probably accidentally kill the audience.

The fact they're practicing this shit to begin with shows the complete joke of a military unit they are.

They even fell for the systema scam which is the biggest joke in the martial arts community.

Keeping coping though.

>>33520935
I bet. As long as you have a rather clear drop zone, you're good to go. Logistics must be a bitch in that environment. I should read up on that.

A bit more interesting facts, that professor was involved in the Ghanan intervention in Sierra Leone and was later working with the UN during the rawandan incident. Really interesting guy. He has a few books out I should read.

>>33520965
>The fact they're practicing this shit to begin with shows the complete joke of a military unit they are.
They're not practicing this shit you dense moron.

>>33520965
It's because of faggots like you that we can't have decent threads on Russian Forces here on /k/, fucking brain-dead retard.

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>>33520965
>They're a joke, there's no getting around that vlad. I'm sure the population would rather watch them breach and clear a shoothouse but 1. They can't afford the ammunition, 2. They are such shit at their actual jobs they'd probably accidentally kill the audience.

FSB does shooting competitions with IPSC judges every year. Breaking the 180 or flagging someone is instant disqualification. Anybody can spectate.

>>33521016
>>33521026


The truth hurts huh? You've been glorifying Russia for so long you fell for your own bullshit.

Glad I could wake you up to the reality that Russia is a third world hell hole with a shit joke of an armed forces.

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>>33520934

We'd rather leave the buttfucking to the professionals in the subject, like Russian army members and little faggot conscript "men".

Also, I understand the need to ban "homosexual propaganda" in Russia because it gets out of control among girly Russian "men" very easily. So easily that the government has been forced to ban everything related to it! Masters of buttfucking indeed!

As for war? Staying above a degenerate homo-bitch nation like this is not very hard. Russia has followed the tradition of getting buttfucked by losing to mongols, germans, NATO etc. as easily as a Russian homo-bitch bends over when seeing another man.

A few years ago there was a rather amusing episode of The Deadliest Warrior where they pitted a team of Spetsnaz against a team of Green Berets. Okay, the show series was generally a rather lighthearted attempt at 'comparing' usually wildly different species of fighter, complete with the fishiest statistics and visualisations ever. The results were normally meaningless. But I would like to hear how those with actual Spetsnaz knowledge felt the episode portrayed them.

>>33521068
>Implying there's anything wrong with banning the glorification of mental illness
There are a lot of things you can criticize Russian subhumans on, but that is not one of them anon

>>33519432
Because there's a lot of them. That's literally it.

>>33521141
Isn't our population like 3x theirs though?

>>33521192

Population of Russia in 2017 has passed 143 million.

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>>33519829
>Larry Snickers
You mean that fatfuck who just can't get over the fact that he's not delta and can't stuff his face with 6000 kcal/day anymore?

Also, his videos are pretty much nothing but slow motion done with an expensive camera.

>>33521102
Sonny Puzikas was in the Lithuanian MVD working as a prison guard and Maxim was designated marksman in the Naval infantry. So neither were legit Spetsnaz. Many of the techniques Puzikas displayed were developed by Systema instructors back in the 90's.

Spetsnaz won because of the Saiga-12 test. Puzikas was pretty competent, no denying that, but if the test required some genuine marksmanship and CBQ techniques, the Americans would likely win, you can tell the Green Berets guys had a better understanding of marksmanship than the "Spetsnaz" guys.

>>33521202
The number of Russian armed forces is ~1 mln, 1/3 of it - useless conscripts that will never see the battlefield.

>>33521255
>useless conscripts that will never see the battlefield.

As long they keep the machinery well oiled and functioning, that's their purpose as conscripts.

>>33521068
Considering the problems America is having with the rapid feminization of young men, I don't think there is any room to criticize Russia for banning fag propaganda.

>>33521206
God damn that picture makes me irrationally mad

>>33521252

Whenever a TV show compares its own country's military guys or weapons to someone foreign I expect their own to win. After all, the TV show's paying customers are primarily in their own country. It's just entertainment. But there can still be something interesting to pick up. For instance they decided to pick an E-tool as special weapon for the GB's but a spring dagger for the Spetsnaz. I have always wondered why they did not make it e-tool against e-tool. That dagger looked like shit.

>>33519829
He doesn't know what he's talking about though so... kys?

>>33521273
I wouldn't say the machine is very well oiled, it's very obsolete in many ways.

>>33521278

Your right, the amount of actually gay, but not feminine Russians show how much it matters.

>>33519829
Vickers said -Alfa- was as good as Delta. Not all Spetsnaz.

>>33521394
Better gay and not feminine than gay AND feminine. Why does it bother you so much that Russia cracks down on fag propaganda?

>>33521206
I get the feeling what Vickers is not mentioning is that he didn't inform anyone from Ruger, used the always failed "do you know who I am" line from celebrities before being kicked out, and his crew likely was being too obstructive.

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>>33521206
>>33521418
DO YOU EVEN KNOW WHO I AM?

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>>33521418
>Vickers is not mentioning is that he didn't inform anyone from Ruger
He's so far up his ass he genuinely expects people to immediately recognize him.

>>33521448
>what are the differences between the MG43 and M249?
>do you even know who I am?
What the fuck? What kind of response is that? Why would he even think to say that?

>>33521278
They aren't doing a very good job. The amount of trap porn coming out of Russia is insane

>>33521686
The whole world has this problem right now, including America. At least the Russians are trying to do something about it. American politicians are embracing it, even Trump won't speak out against it.

>>33521052
try harder autist

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This thread started out so well, but has devolved into racism and homophobia

What the fuck happened?

>>33522138
threads about Soviet/WARPAC/Russian military rarely last more than 50-100 posts before things go to shit.

>>33521686
traps aren't gay

>>33522138
Because somebody summoned a bunch of homophobes: https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ru&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=ru&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2F2ch.hk%2Fwm%2Fres%2F2625754.html%232632297&edit-text=&act=url

>>33522191
Traps are gay, it has a dick, it's gay.

A more related question. How well are Spetsnaz paid these days? Compared to the average population? I assume they are all volunteers, not conscripts.

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>>33519061
literally correct.

Russia is a joke of a country.

>>33522367
>the current year is 1995
really makes you think

>>33520910
http://www.pravdareport.com/society/stories/15-02-2007/87441-army_prostitute-0/

Is Moscow a non-white area now?

Kek

>>33520449

Hey, I've been meaning to ask a Russian alive and adult during that time: how did you feel about the collapse? Do you wish that the USSR was still around?

>>33519358
>There's some interesting reading on why terrorists target western democracies.

Could you name some books/articles?

>>33522623


>>33519687

He mentioned it earlier

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>>33520878
obligatory

>>33522681

Vickers is, among other things, also a pistol manufacturer - has his own brand anyway. Why would Ruger allow a competing company to make an event at their show?

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>>33520454
>and they even have christian prayers on the sub and also religious icons and paintings in them
I approve of this.

>>33519810
One of the green men literally shitposted and timestamp camwhored on /b/ in uniform.

>>33523000

Entirely possible. But also /b/ is possibly the least trustworthy forum on the planet.

>>33519432
Because NATO's entire purpose is to counter a Russian threat.
What else would they do? Just hang up their hat?

Same as they always we're
Disciplined but not much else
The Dutch commandos could easily give them a run for their money
Finns would evicerate them so hard it would also be sad
'Murrica as always has hated the very sight of them

>>33519432
Zerg
Also if they went to war they would have to give the Germans back their weapons
And we all know what would happen then

>>33523000
It was some Russian airsofter from 2ch who had the uniform. In Crimea, the internet and cellphone signal was jammed and landlines were cut off.

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>>33520454
>Russians will never diversify
Yeah, that's why they're 20% Muslim, filled to the brim with Mongols trying to find jobs, and letting Chinese pour over the border in sane numbers right?
Fuckin Russiboos are the most blatantly ignorant people I have ever run into
>The same old meme
It's not a fucking meme you autistic fuck
The Russian government legally recognizes they are 15% Muslim
The thing with that is that
A)The Russian government lies about all of their statistics and there's no way you can deny that
B) They cannot properly asses the numbers and neither can third parties because most Muslims in Russia won't answer demographic questions at all. The CONSERVATIVE estimates put Russia at 20-24% Muslim(with higher estimates as far as 28-31%)
You keep talking out your ass that "it's all Chechnya and Dagestan!" But that's absolutely a lie, here even Russian propaganda channel numerous Uno will enlighten you
https://youtu.be/xfKq57aBqac

>>33520806
>US is already a minority white country for children under 10
That's literally propaganda and untrue mate
Go look up the original story that every other site and paper used as a source
It's bullshit, but you bought into it because you're an anti-American cuck

>>33520812
>Only 6.5 of Russians are muslims
Are you literally that stupid?
You do know that there are only 98 million Russians in Russia right?
Their government reports their population is 143 million(in 2013) but that's not counting the millions of illegals there and unlike the US their southern and eastern border security is almost non-existant.

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>>33520878
There is only one reason Africans value paratroopers

>>33522367
Spetsnaz detachment troops could mean OMON and SOBR or even the internal troop's local OSN detachments. All of those three types of units were used heavily in the first offensive operations and used as blocking forces in Grozny after it was captured.

>>33521202
US has over 300 million people, we outnumber them 2 to 1.

>>33523705
How stronk is the average American compared to the average Russian though, that's the real question.

>>33522275
it's a meme you dip

>>33522138
The fuck are you talking about niggerfaggot?

>>33523705

So? I responded to a claim that the outnumbering was 3:1. I realize the difference is minuscule, but...

>>33520124
using "moral compass" in war.
needle points to insanity.
look how well it worked in operation red wings in 2005

HOW well would a south american be received in ruskia?

>>33522138
Trolls, and probably shills trying to throw off the thread, since it can be informative and put Russia/Russians in a good light or something.

>>33523758
>he thinks stronkness matters vs. bullets

>>33523758
Are you comparing physical fitness, or mental fortitude?

A: It varies from person to person, much like it does in each respective country. Both nations will have basic fitness requirements that all soldiers will undergo before being send to their units. If they do not pass muster, then they tend to get kicked out.

>>33519204
Do you have any of your works online that we can see or download?

>>33525057
>Are you comparing physical fitness, or mental fortitude?
Both.
>>33524959
If you are stronk, boolet not affect you for fear of reprimand.

>>33525313
Well the average American is better fed and will have more food availability, so they will grow up bigger and taller on average.

The average Russian will probably go through a harsher less pampered life with a lot of violence and alcohol.

Physical
America>Russia
Mental
Russian>America

>>33525388
...don't forget the cigarettes too, anon

>>33520881
>>They also have extremely outdated equipment, zero morale, and border on mental impairment on a mentally retarded level. They are really really dumb and I'm not saying that to be a dick.
Chyeah...the US Army is similar in many respects. I was part of an Army Reserve 8-inch cannon unit in the 80's. It was manned by personnel with low, and I mean real low intelligence scores.

>>33521495
It's not real you fucking retard

>>33525388
>Well the average American is better fed and will have more food availability, so they will grow up bigger and taller on average.
Don't you mean "fatter"? The average American is a lard ass

>>33521206
Love the video that fotso did with Russian Spetnaz jackasses were he makes excuses for their "training" and lies about the Russian's negligent discharge into the ground. A "warning shot?" Really?

Fucking clowns. Isn't he training LARPerators now?

>>33526053
But it is. Vickers was heavily criticized for being so arrogant to people in Facebook.

>>33525821
BUILD A BETTER LIFE IN THE AAAARMY

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>>33519061
delet

>>33519061
HAHA america burger i'm going to hack you

>>33522467
Is that article legit? Everyone knows the red army was horrible, but even they never took it this far.

>>33520688
I live in Yaroslavl, and have seen lots of Africans here thanks to military and ordinary universities

>>33525388
Over two thirds of Americans are overweight or obese.

>>33523247

you mean they would drop them immediatly?

>>33519432
NUKES.

>>33520454
They have to pray to keep their sub working.

>>33521255
It's down quite a bit now, they have fewer than 800,000 and half of that is inactive reserve.

>>33529150
>Everyone knows the red army was horrible, but even they never took it this far.
It's cute how innocent you are Anon.

>>33519045
As the enemy.

>>33529319
maybe by ethiopian standards we are.

>>33529150
The article is from 2007, it wasn't "Red Army".