First AK

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>>33515049
seconded. Just buy a WASR

>>33514993
if you dont have ak autism, the vepr rifles are a fantastic value. it wont be a "correct" clone of anything but its a very solid rifle.
wasr is an ok choice but probably just $100 less than a vepr.

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>>33514993
Buy a saiga for muh history

wasr for out of the box goodness, pap is good but furniture sucks ass, saiga if you want a project (assuming you dont buy one already done), or an arsenal if you want best out of box quality for a smidge more than wasrs and such.

I bought a saiga sporter and converted it myself, its absolutely amazing and I'm glad I went that route.

AMD > WASR

>>33516033
soft ass bendy barrels lel. AMD SHIT

>>33514993
Get a wasr.

>>33514993
Looks like the WASR meme train has left the station. I'll tell you what to avoid as a contrast. Do not buy under any circumstances:
>IO AK
>RAS47
>newer AMD-63 that Classic is selling (old ones with original barrel are OK)

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Buy a WASR. My 10/63 UF still runs like a bitter eastern bloc drunk after 10k-ish rounds.

>>33515109
don't vepr's require their special magazines? Something about different feed ramp?

C39V2s aren't too bad, or at least not as bad as RAS47s because there's no rivets to fuck up. Mine has run pretty goof so far, but get a WASR.

>>33515316
>muh history
>7.62x39 AK with a 90° gas block
No.

Different Anon here.

WASR vs Yugo. What's better?

>>33516487
WASR

>>33516478
Huh? Nigger those are 5.45 saigas converted with bulgy kits

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Bought me a WASR and never had a problem with it, I love that thing to death

>>33516519
Wow... the shit you see people put on rifles

>falling for the starter meme

>>33516540
Gypsy barrels are best barrels

Instead of the wasr spend $200 more and get an arsenal slr-107r

>>33516487
Depends.
Yugos are tighter-built and beefier.
WASRs are more standardized.

Which is more important to you?

>>33516593
>arsenal
ISHYGDDT

>>33516506
All Saigas have 90° GBs, regardless of caliber.
They're not bad rifles by any means but they're also ahistorical if you want an AKM

>>33516604
Yugo a shit.

>>33516201
>don't vepr's require their special magazines? Something about different feed ramp?

Just need to install a bullet guide and file on the mag release as far as i know.

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>>33516631
>t. Faggot who doesn't own one and has never handled one

Those are my observations as someone who owns both.

>>33516655
Nice oversized hammer, anon. Does it prevent light strikes?

>>33516655
Well you're not wrong. Never even saw one in person. Kek. The cheek weld hasn't been an issue for you?

>>33516655

the one i handled had a peened bolt carrier

>>33516604
a good wasr is built as tight as a yugo. Most WASRs are good as of 2012 ish. Shitty wasrs are shitty, just inspect and you will have no problems. The fixed stock arsenal 7.62 import is good as well but to be honest both will serve you just about as equally with a good example of each.

>>33514993
my first AK was a shitty home-built Polish AKMS

>>33516709
Peening bolt carrier is a result of hammer contour. I've seen Arsenals with peened bolt carriers and I've seen NPAPs without them.

>>33516677
Newer ones ship with stocks that are identical to WASR stocks.
Mine isn't one of those. I took a belt sander to it and gave it a contour that I liked, then refinished it.

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>>33514993
>Good starter AK?
>starter guns
Unless you are planning on being maximum poorfag forever, just save your pennies unt you can get something nice like an slr-107 or vz58.
Starter guns are just guaranteed disappointment and wasted money when you'll spend it all on the real deal eventually anyway.

>>33516506
>thinking that's ok
>bolt turn rivet
lmao

>>33514993
another option is this:
>https://www.atlanticfirearms.com/index.php?option=com_virtuemart&view=productdetails&virtuemart_product_id=3395&virtuemart_category_id=23&Itemid=883
its more work and youll have to source furniture, fcg, safety, but you can find all of that on akfiles for maybe $70

>>33518747
VZ 58! Thanks anon, I've been trying to remember what that thing was called.

>>33514993
>buying an AK
>in the current market
Don't do this. I love AKs but the current market for them is stupid. WASR and NPAPs are going for almost $700 now.
$700 for a basic bitch AK.M92 PAP pistols have jumped to like $650 as well. I believe the market will come down. Patience

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>>33518808
Either one will keep you smiling, I prefer the vz features myself.
>i realize its a vz2008 in the webm, i have a vz58 myself but my friend's vz2008 has been a real treat to use since removing the slant brake which ruined the accuracy

>>33516853
Has nothing to do with hammer contour and everything to do with hardness.

>>33516114
However, DO look up videos on the io aks if you want some good lulz.

>>33518951
https://youtu.be/YRaV3ZDBdTo

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>>33516525

>>33518762
? Im genuinely confused by this. Those are fully converted with correct parts. No bolts

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>>33519124
Triggers me less

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>>33519431
>doesn't know what a bolt turn pin is
>thinks he knows what a correct conversion looks like
HAHAHA

>>33519554
question:
does the BHO on a saiga actually work with regular ol' milsurp mags?

>>33519570
The bolt hold open on the Saiga is manual only.

>>33519554

Fuck that workmanship looks horrible, it's like the parts were molded and lathed by apes.

>>33519554
Huh wow, so you have to add that? Never heard of it beforw

>>33519632
If you want a correct AK-74, you wouldn't have the pin at all.

>>33518951
>hammer contour has nothing to do with it
kek
>be (You)
>Go on YouTube
>Put "Mel64D" into the search bar
>watch Rockwell hardness test videos where he empirically, decisively puts this bullshit to bed
>bask in the glory of no longer parroting wrong bullshit you heard on the internet.

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>>33519554
Thats a bump rivet, its correct for a 100 series ak.

>>33520118
I know what it is, shithead, I just mentioned it. It's correct for a 74M and later. It isn't correct for the AK-74 kits built up on Saiga receivers that he posted.

How many times you gonna get blown the fuck out, Daewoo? Don't you have an NFA subscription to pay?

>>33520133
Lol

>>33519554

it's not a "bolt turn rivet." it acts as a bullet guide

>>33520155
No, it doesn't.

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>>33516128
> Desecrating a Wasr undefolder with a Fagpull grip, 2008-style shit plastic handguards, useless Tapco break, and a dust-cover optic mounted a mile above the bore

Do people like you do any research before tacking useless shit onto their rifles?

I have a Yugo N-Pap in 7.62X39 and a Yugo O-Pap in .308. Both are great guns but the wood stock on the N-Pap sucks if your shooting with iron sights. It really rides on your cheek. I installed a scope on mine to fix it. The paps don't use standard furniture so changing it gets problematic. The O-Pap is great it came with a synthetic thumb hole stock that works great.

>>33520240
M77 ?

Yes the O-Pap is the Zastava M77. I actually bought it from a guy in these forums. Is that you?

>>33520301
No, just never heard a m77 referred to as a o-pap.

Palmetto state AK

Yep says it right on the side. The N-pap and O-pap both come in both calibers. The main difference is the O is milled receiver and the N is stamped receiver. My understanding is they no longer import the O-Pap rifles in either caliber so the prices have risen. M77 is a beast and weighs about double the N-Pap AK

>>33520364
Opap in 7.62x39 is a 1.5mm stamped receiver. I used to own one. Do you have pictures of your rifle ? Every m77 ive held has been a stamped rifle?

I don't have any pics of it on this computer, but all the pics I have seen of the M77 are identical. I guess I read some bad info then because I thought it had a milled receiver. Do the O-Pap rifles in the 7.62X39 have the gas adjuster like the M77 does?

>>33520542
>>33520364
>>33520301
>>33520240
I guarantee it's stamped "PAP" which is a Serb acronym translating to "Semi-automatic rifle/pistol." All semiauto Zastava guns are PAPs.
But only 7.62x39 semi-auto M70s are N/OPAPs.

Also OPAPs aren't milled. They're reinforced RPK-style but they're definitely, 100% not milled.

>>33520180
>implying I put that on there
>implying I didn't purchase the entire thing for $450
Stay salty about your lack of an underfolder :^)

>>33520364
>O is milled reciever

You should really learn what the fuck you are talking about.

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>>33521726
It does look like poo tho, but its your rifle.
>underfolder masterrace

>>33519464
That is a bad ass fuckin range.

>>33522488
>It does look like poo tho
I don't disagree with you. I don't think it worth the time/cost to replace the furniture/break though since I paid little for it and don't care enough for wood to replace it on a beater AK.

Kills hogs dead though

>>33522833
To each his own i guess. If rifle works, rifle is fine.

my io akm247
>1.5k rds, no issues, no fte, only one ftf on a dented round, shot only wolf military classic
my cousins wasr
>2k rds, beat to shit, top handguard fell off last range trip and wont go back on

how does the wasr even compete?

>>33516487
I have both and i like the Yugo better. However its stupid because it isnt as standardized. You have to buy specific parts made for Yugos while the WASR is standardized.

>>33522910
By working, show us your roll pins please?

>>33523031
i'm at college and don't have my rifle here, but i can give you pictures of ~500rds ago if you want. i've posted them before, they're fine

>>33514993
Can't go wrong with the the RAS 47 or anything from Inter Ordnance. They're the best you'll get for the money.

>>33523031
>>33522910
>>33523106
also i meant to post this in /akg/ but was on the wrong thread

>>33521726
/k/ is pretty toxic about ak-47s. Someone is always bitching and complaining about someone else's gun

>>33523106
don't be mean to op

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>>33523055
Its a joke, aks should not have roll pins. If your IO works great, but a wasr is leagues ahead of it.

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>>33518838

I thought Trump winning would bring down the prices sooner than this, but I think all the commies afraid of him are buying up the AKs

>>33523162
Any weapon that has its own /general/ is going to be 60% salt, 35% shitposts, and 5% tripcode induced autism.

>>33515094
that gun is pretty as fuck

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>>33515049
>>33515094
Is the mag wobble in wazzers really that bad?

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>>33523280
>I thought the explicitly protectionist president who is a complete retard when it comes to actually implementing policy would overturn several multilateral treaties to bring back cheap imported goods of a higher quality than they can be produced domestically at much higher prices
I found a .gif of you

You wouldn't happen to be in the market for a bridge, would you?

>>33523186
All lies. That's probably 10,000 rounds

>>33523319
Mag wobble is like sight cant: if it feeds/can be zeroed then rifle is fine.

Gotta go with what everyone else is saying - WASR

>>33523513
That should not happen even at 20,000 rnds. The rifle is overgassed, thus IOs buffer.

>>33523186
that's one of the old and really even shittier models, the new ones don't have that horrible io logo pasted all over the front sightpost
>>33523669
would a higher power recoil spring help negate the overgassing issue?

>>33524375
Not really, then you beat you front trunion. The gas ports in the barrel are too big.

>>33524999
*port
*is

>>33516201
>>33516632

I think the new MOLOT vepr AK47 have the square-end receivers and accept any ak magazines now. They're basically just beefed up AK47s at this point with the only parts not being interchangeable are some internals (since they're built on RPKs)

>>33523669
I have a question. Would putting a booster on my m92 cause it to over gas?

>>33525073
New?

You mean the Kvar conversions? The sporters are still slant backs with no feed ramp.

>>33525690
Not in any appreciable manner.

>>33526955
These that are being sold a few places

https://www.classicfirearms.com/russian-vepr-7-62-x-39-semi-auto-ak47-fmak4711