What, in your opinion, is the BEST, SMALLEST and most reliable

>we're already required to carry

What do you do???????

>>33506704
how did a slavic whore end up in Mexico?

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>>33506704
Well, PDW is kinda vague description. But if you want something small as fuck that can be shot sorta like a rifle, get pic related. It's pretty fucking cute and handy. Just a tad longer than 1911 + T H I C C compared to it, but fuckin' teeny tiny for a "SMG" - the intended purpose for the thing was to arm people didn't need or couldn't lug around a big rifle but needed something less shitty than a pistol.
>inb4 .32"ACP is shit at killing
It killed plenty already. And you can get one in .380", 9x18makarony and possibly 9mm para, but those are hueg compared to the originals.

>>33506888
Private security for a highly wealthy friend.

>>33506891
Not a Slavic whore, also not Mexico.

>>33506935
While those are cool and remind me of Goldeneye, I need a minimum caliber of 9mm.

>>33508832

Micro Uzi?

HK MP7

true fact

>>33508891
that's not how you spell P90

>>33508891

this is if you can have full auto

if not

HK SP5k

>>33508902
>weighs 7lbs
Nah.

>>33508902

The p90 is three times as big as the MP7 and would be hard to conceal under a jacket

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>>33508909
>HK SP5k

so sexy

such conceal

so PDW

>>33508930
$2,400
>No paddle mag release

Wow...No, I'll take the Turkshit, please.

>>33508950
>2400

that's msrp, they are going for 1900 on gunbroker brand new

OP has the money for the real thing

fuck turkshit

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just do a pdw ar build in 300 meme.. that or a p90

OP here.
All are good suggestions. I was originally leaning towards the MP5K/SP5K but my only concern would be the angle at which the mag protrudes. Most likely could be remedied with a lower cap mag I assume though, however I've never actually carried a one so I'm unsure of how big they are.

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What the fuck is wrong with this thread,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steyr_TMP
Austrian machine pistol, fucking awesome and easy to work
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MAC-10
Brazilian confusion resulting in one of the most iconic machinepistols known to man. Not bad, hard to control due to axis over bore
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CZ_Scorpion_Evo_3
Essentially a full sized compact. Contradictory but it's modern and new if you have the place to stow it
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mauser_C96
Are you fighting steampunk junkies? Sure.


Pic related is an ar pistol, firing an intermediate cartridge larger than the previous machinepistol rounds which are usually 9mm or 7.62 or something.

What it really comes down to is how concealable are we talking, how much ammo do you carry, are there actual threats?

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>>33508997

10 round mag

>>33509011
>Pic related is an ar pistol, firing an intermediate cartridge larger than the previous machinepistol rounds which are usually 9mm or 7.62 or something.
It also has a 5 inch effective barrel length and winds up not being more powerful than a 9mm out of the same length barrel

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Is there any other choice?

My big Samoan friend would carry one of these in a laptop bag and i felt super safe with him even when we walked to this shitty bowling ally in the ghetto.

>>33508997

the sp5k is the smallest reliable available PDW in the USA right now

if you need smaller just carry a pistol

LAR PDS with a 20rd mag and a single point sling under a blazer jacket.

>>33509036
pre beard MAC tested a 7 inch draco and it got 1900 feet per second which would still get something like 1400 foot pounds of energy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbgAh9-sCDQ

>>33509067
>pre beard MAC tested a 7 inch draco and it got 1900 feet per second which would still get something like 1400 foot pounds of energy

A draco is not a .223 AR 15, which was posted

A draco is not a micro draco as posted >>33509038

a micro draco is still a lot bigger than an sp5k

dracos are novelty guns, they are not used by anyone in serious security or law enforcement

lt col nutnfancy did a video about a pdw ar-15

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r16_NI-Cgow

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>>33509089
>Pic related is an ar pistol, firing an intermediate cartridge larger than the previous machinepistol rounds

Idk the way he said this made it sound like he was also referring also to .300 meme

and if you extrapolate 1400 ft lbs for a 7 inch down to 5 inches or then its still clear that it packs more punch than a 9mm

i posted the micro draco but i guess i meant to post the mini draco then, and to say it has no use in self defense is retarded.. they fit into a laptop bag or even maybe under a coat if youre a big guy and they have almost twice the energy of .357 or hot 44 and will penetrate soft armor... theyre unwieldy as fuck but like i said if youre a big guy..

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Heck, OP, if you need maximum concealability and maximum firepower, just fucking get a sawn off and be done with it. I thought you asked for a PDW, not a maximum thrust per squeeze babykilling machinegun. Jeebuz.

>>33509183
I've only replied in the thread once. I'm just monitoring for ideas.

>>33509191
Twice*
Sorry.

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King of PDW's coming in

>>33509215
kac (kek)

>>33509191
So how about you tell us more. Like actual parameters you want. What are you expecting to face, when you think you need something extra small, but in 9mm minimum? In defence of the Vz.61, it is really fukken small and light, and has a stock, it has virtually no recoil and 20rd mags, and is 2lbs lighter to boot. If you can't drop whatever you are expecting with that, will you be able to with sp5k that's larger and heavier in 9mm with 10rd mags? Just consider it. As a mini-pdw it's the tits.

>>33509089
>>33509067
>>33509036
Im the original post, and initially I had meant just anything that was a pistol cartridge or 22 to 300mee'm. General words sometimes end up being more specific than you meant them to be.

>>33509215
>only 5.56
>not going 308 sbr

>>33506704
If you really want a "PDW", the p90 is the only one that makes any kind of sense.

>>33506704
sauce on mammy tits.

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It's Klobberin' time!

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>>33509215
>6x35mm

>>33506704
>PDW
Well since that's a special-snowflake category that automatically rules out the tiny rifle-caliber carbines and the SMG's, so I'd have to say probably something by B&T in 6.5CBJ. Which is the quintessential special-snowflake.

Don't forget to break about a billion laws obtaining the tungsten core AP ammo for it.

>>33509011
>hard to control due to axis over bore
You're also forgetting the pants-on-head high ROF and the fact it was offered in .45acp.
>the .380 version fired at 1380rpm
"Press for people, hold for planes"

>>33506704

MP5K for that sick action movie vibe

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Uzi. It's good enough for the Secret Service, it's good enough for you

>>33506935
Is it klobbering time already?

Tavor x95

>tiny OAL
>uses a common round
>uses common magazines
>with Mk 318, you can defeat body armor and down a charging negro with the same round

That baby mad

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pic related if you're literally made of money

>>33513916

these things are pure sex

>>33508960
As if. Cost on those is 2K and cant just be ordered at the drop of a hat.

Mauser C96 M712 or Astra 904.

>>33513916
probably this
poorfag alternative is the MPA930DMG. It's MAC-11 sized but 9mm and takes Glock mags. Heard they have trigger slap though.

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>>33515815
fug forgot pic