Falklands 35th anniversary

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>>33501042
Argie commando

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>>33501042
Young Argentine soldier with British flag
>many conscripts sent by the Junta, most of them 18 year olds.

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>>33501042
British soldiers taken as prisoners
>some say the Junta actually believed that if they didn't harm them, the British government would just gave away the islands avoiding the war.

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>>33501042
>Reminder that the Argies were so butthurt about their defeat that they chased a comedy show out of their country over a license plate

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>>33501121
>mfw a National Geographic instagram photo of a bird in the Falkands got geotagged as Falkand Islands and all the comments were Argies saying "ESTA MALVINAS"

>>33501042
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKkcTpCur7g

>Oh fuck Gurkhas!

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Conscripts of the BIM 5 (Marines 5th battalion)
>they fought very hard against Scots Guards and Gurkhas in Tumbledown.

>>33501042
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/defence/5153220/The-22-Royal-Marines-who-took-on-Argentine-Falklands-invasion-force.html

Read this, before reinforcements arrived the garrison took on and drove off a warship using hand held anti tank weapons, fucking nuts.

>>33501162
>they fought very hard against Scots Guards and Gurkhas in Tumbledown.
The Gurkhas never got to fight, they were upset about it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZA7Uf6fP1Vg

Some actually cried they never got to take a few Argie heads.

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BIM 5 in Tumbledown

As a US Marine, I think its hilarious that people hate on the AV8B but the British Sea Harrier BTFO'd supersonic fighters.

>>33501202
That's not true, dozens of veterans recall seeing these "Chinese looking soldiers" charging towards Argentine positions.
And the fact that veterans brought back their famous knives is another proof. They are exhibited at some museums here.

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Soldiers from BIM 5

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Easy to spot this 4th Infantry Regiment Officer.... He's the only fat one LOL

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>>33501246
>And the fact that veterans brought back their famous knives is another proof
Like you cannot buy them to look ally.

>>33501202
>The Gurkhas never got to fight, they were upset about it.
I heard the Gurkhas got sent in but the Argies ran before contact was made.

>>33501284
The funny thing here is that lots of Brits have laugh at me for saying the very same thing you are saying here.
That the British army denied the participation of Gurkhas in the Falklands.

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Argentine pilots with what it seems to be a Mirage.

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Conscripts being transported to the islands

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Argentine soldier eating

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A case of kicking a hornets nest to see if it's still active. It was.

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"Argentinian medic hugs the british RAF pilot Jeff Glover." Said in Pinterest.

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Members of the "Cat Company" of the 25th Infantry Regiment

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Argentine soldiers being transported on helicopter.

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Naccar Company soldiers from BIM 5 in mount Tumbledown

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Soldiers being transported from the city of Comodoro Rivadavia to the Falklands by plane.

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Argentine soldiers

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Argentine A 4C refueling

All these photo filled with exciting young man, like they are on a trip. Then they will have to face hell.
And the argentine commando who were trained by American
War is hell man.

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Amazing photo of an aerial attack on British ships

>>33501934
Of course they lied to them, many were little kids that were serving the mandatory military service. It's going to be over quickly they told them.
Most of the soldiers came from subtropical areas of the country, directly exposed to -10°C s weather they had never experienced.

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Definitely some sort of sadness seeing all these young Argentinians being sent off on a whim to take the islands. especially seeing how naive and young some of them look. There's no doubt in my mind that they fought pretty bravely. I'm particularly impressed by the Argentine pilots who went low level and skillfully used iron bombs against RN ships.

Having said that, I think it was no mean feat either for the UK armed forces to sail to the other end of the globe and retake the islands. From what i've read they did it mostly on their terms with little assistance. Yes, there were tactical blunders and you'd be in denial if you didn't admit that the victory almost didn't happen, but there's something to be said for the sheer determination on the UK side to take back a small chain of islands.

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Indeed the airforce did a great job, with shitty equipment.

Pic is an Argentine Dagger attacking HMS Broadsword

Realmente son tan pelotudos como para pensar que se puede discutir y recordar Malvinas de manera seria junto a los británicos?

>>33502224
Creo que soy el único argentino posteando. Y hay que hacer el intento.

On a show about british SAS, the dude said they stay in the island for 28 days, yet they only brought 2 weeks worth of ration, the rest of the time, they live by the tea bag and suger bags.
really Hard.

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Argentine pilots

>>33502288
Can't really blame logistics being so far away from home can't you?
Not justifying starve the troops, but..

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Britfags,Putin is our ally now. What are you gonna do when we decide to attack?

>>33502350
>Putin allied with Argentina
what

>>33502288
they were told to scanvenge. the islands have sheep, birds, cattle, and an entire town.

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Destroyed Pucara

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>ywn tell the Argies to sod off then shoot them with your SLR

>>33502414
HMS Antelope btw

>>33502435
Ese es el pucara del aerodromo?

>>33502465
Creo que es uno de los destruidos en Isla Borbón por el SAS

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Argentine soldier

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Rocket launcher tied up to an apple box on the top of a toboggan.

100% top Argentine engineering

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Another example

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Illustration of the Argentine Air Force attack during the San Carlos Bay landings.
"Bomb Alley"

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Downed Sea Harrier

Daft war, a waste of young life for some human hair piece miles away and Daily Express readers, it wasn't worth a single British life, nor Argie.

Don't even insinuate that those sheep fuckers on that island cared about who fought for them, it wasn't worth the trouble.

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>>33501490
Jeff Glover being rescued by Argentine soldiers.

>>33502742
The pathetic try of a dictatorship (backed by the CIA must say) to stay in power.

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>>33502743
At least the war wasn't barbaric.
Prisoners were well treated by their enemies, at least in most cases
>some argie soldiers said they were used to move explosives and some got hurt.

>>33501738
As an American who sides with the U.K. on this by default (and, of course, who believes that white Anglo Falklands Islands residents should decide which country they want to be part of for themselves instead of being absorbed into a part-white, part-mestizo, Third World dictatorship), I still can't help but feel a small sense of vicarious euphoria when I stare at this picture. How can you not feel the glory of their national pride, their youthful exuberance and martial spirit?

Think about it. You're a white, Spanish-speaking guy born in South America. You live under a dictatorship that, for all of its faults, at least keeps Soviet-style communism at bay. Your quality of life is, most likely, shit-tier. Suddenly, you're conscripted into a war that the people of your country are 100% supportive of. Even leftists cheer you on as you go to fight.

You are suddenly a nationalist hero, triumphing (albeit temporarily) over one of the world's foremost imperial powers. Here you are, dressed like a soldier and planting yourself victoriously somewhere in the history books.

God damn, isn't that amazing? It's almost too bad that the Argentines had their shit pushed in shortly thereafter. I'm reminded of a line from an ISIS video that used the phrase "ecstasy of false victory." That's exactly what these guys are drunk on, the "ecstasy of false victory."

>>33502780
They could have had that fucking rock if they wanted it so badly, would have saved the trouble of all those young people dying for fuck all.

>>33502867
I would never understand the fascination of /Pol/ or some on this board with Pinochet or some other Latin American dictators from the 70s.
They destroyed or economy, our factories, our railway system (finished with Menem), the poverty skyrocketed from around 6% to 20% or 25%, our external debt made bigger than ever (again Menem would do that even worse).

And communists? They are a extreme minority now and then, the only difference then was that they used violence. But it wasn't realistic to say that they were going to take the power.

The whole CIA backed coup was about establishing an USA's bitch at the government that to stop the tiny reds.

As for the other that you said, that's very profound anon. Yep, a poor country farm kid from Corrientes (like Alabama in the us) all of the sudden being the defender of national sovereignty.

>>33502906
I understand that the war was a huge waste, but, assuming that you were British, would you so readily surrender a population that is 90%+ white and ethnically British----British in mindset, race, and language---fall under the rule of a hostile foreign power? What kind of disgusting cowardice is that? A population of British people should be under the protection of the United Kingdom, no matter how far it is from the homeland. Besides, the Falklands never had a native population, so no one can say that Argentines were there first, because they weren't.

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More young soldiers

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>>33503071

>>33503064

*and let it fall under the rule of

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>>33503083

How did the 762x51 fare in the Falklands?

I believe one british unit ran out of ammo so they did a baynonet charge when fighting over some hill.

So does teh 5.56 hold more ammo argument win?

But the brits also ran out of ammo in iraq to and did that bayonet charge? How much is the standard load for brits for 762 and 556? No body armor either so I imagine they would carry even more weight in ammo.

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Argentine soldiers capture a native islander commando

>>33503013
>They are a extreme minority

I strongly doubt this. Overt communists were also supposedly a minority in Cuba before Castro took power. The opposition to Batista was always characterized as an opposition consisting of moderate reformers and center-left democrats. Before we knew it, the Soviets had a strategic outpost 90 miles away from American soil and tens of thousands of people who might have really been pro-reform democrats or pro-American in mindset were being executed by firing squad or rotting in prison.

The Cold War was full of disgusting abuses of power, but I guess that, in the grand scheme of things, the sovereignty of smaller countries didn't really matter to the superpowers. Without taking the initiative and extending a network of puppet governments across Latin America, the U.S. could have failed to monopolize resources and ended up losing the strategic chess game.

I would say that people on /pol/ like Pinochet because they see him as a well-dressed, masculine figure who disposed of communists. When people think of communists around here, we tend to imagine UC Berkeley faggots and blacks who openly campaign for white genocide. I'm sure that the left-wingers of South America had at least some valid complaints about the economic status quo back then, but they became the collateral damage of a far larger struggle.

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The "kids of the war" as many called them. Became men by fire and blood.

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>Flying jets just above the waves, towards warships that are firing 40mm Bofors in return
>A nuclear attack sub sinking a WW2-era Cruiser
>The longest bombing mission ever (at the time) all to crater a runway
>Threats to nuke a belligerent's capital
>Broadcasting your attack plans on international television
>Argentinian soldiers surrendering at the mere thought of Gurkhas coming for them
>Both sides planning to surrender if the war dragged on
The Falklands War was fucking insane

>>33503201

didn't the Americans give the British satellite data and some other shit?

and the French supplied Argentina with exocet missiles just prior but gave the British information on the missiles shipped?

>>33503237
I think the US gave satellite stuff to the UK but they were not allowed to directly assist.
The French gave the UK info on the Exocets after Thatcher threatened to nuke Buenos Aires if the Royal Navy lost more ships to the missiles.

>>33503178
Never in our history commies have had some considerable power.
There are communists parties in Argentina, no one but Berkeley style idiots vote for them.
34 years of democracy and they are as useless and unpopular add they were when bombing universities and killing children in the 70s.

SAS or SBS do anything of note during falklands? any current bongs stationed there? how was it as a duty station?

>>33503109
7.62x51 NATO worked fine in the Falklands. If anything, it might have been advantageous compared to 5.56x45 NATO given that a lot of the fighting was conducted on terrain like this (picture taken at Darwin, in the direction of the British advance on the settlement in the picture during the Battle of Goose Green).

>>33503325
SAS destroyed some Pucara COIN (used as ground attack in the war) planes in an island.
And there are lots of testimonies of their presence in Patagonia. I think they deny this.

>>33503297
>Thatcher threatened to nuke Buenos Aires
Holy fuck, please tell me there is news footage of this posted online or something. Or at a least a transcript of her statement.

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Speaking of the Pucara, neat little aircraft.
Four 20mm cannons and then mounting points for bombs and rockets.

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>>33503390
Lads were going to mainland, half the crew were sleeping...
Wasn't necessary :/
50% of our casualties in one photo.

>>33503395
It's kind of an open secret. Never officially happened but people know about it.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2005/nov/22/books.france

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>>33503420
MY bad: armed with two 20mm cannons and then four 7.62 machine guns

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Argentine Super Étendard, these were the planes that laughed l launched the Exocet missiles

>>33503513
Dat google keyboard mistake. My bad, I'm at the phone.

one of denzel washingtons first movies is of when eh was a british paratrooper in the falkands.

The sheep fuckers voted something like 99% to stay with the Brit bongs. There is no way to try and justify the invasion by Argentina.

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>>33503390
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_SAS_operations#1980s.E2.80.931990s

They dud a fair amount of shit.

>>33503390
There was an abortive mission to destroy airfields in Tierra del Fuego that fell apart during the recon stage. The plan was to do an Entebbe style raid, but the recon team thought they were spotted and ditched their helicopter near the Chilean border and surrendered.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mikado

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https://www.arrse.co.uk/community/threads/falklands-war-hms-argonaut.244349/

a good read for those wondering about some of the Naval action. Fucking terrifying for me, because I had a similar occupation in the US Navy and a hot naval war with, say Iran could have put me in similar straits

>>33503527
I thought you were making that up until I looked it up

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Owen Crippa, this motherfucker is based.
He went alone in a mission to support the combats in the San Carlos bay landing.
Found the whole fucking British fleet there and decided to do zigzag between the ships firing at them with 30mm rounds and rockets.

Came back alive.

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>>33503668
Aermacchi MB-339A, his plane.

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>>33503546
>operation named for the Emperor of Japan
Fucking weebs. Here's a nice picture of what a Brit in the Falklands would have been carrying, though.

Sorry Anglo anons, it's in spanish but the illustrations are cool.
Owen Crippa, the madman.

https://youtu.be/yVsI-l-Q_Aw

>>33503752
not very much ammo.

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>>33503752
Yeah, the Brits in the Falklands always look loaded down like mules. Pic related. I see the gas mask, were there fears of chem attacks?

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Avro Vulcan's that fired the first shots of the war in Operation Black Buck.

>>33503848
>black buck

ENGLAND NO

>>33501179

>Fight off a bunch of Argentinians
>Shoot down their helicopter
>They eventually move a warship in to tell you "Look, mates, seriously, we're literally a whole army just come on for fucks sake."
>Royal Marines respond by giving a middle finger in the form of a Carl Gustav to the bridge

Nutjobs. All of em.

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>>33503823

There were fears. Thatcher said that if Argentina used bio/chem WMD's then she would consider a nuclear response.

World leaders also reminded the Junta that bongs had the bomb if they decided to escalate.

>>33503823
I would assume so. If I remember correctly, the Argentines used tear gas to flush out the garrison at Moody Brook, but the barracks they claimed to have tear gassed were empty. Later, the British claimed that the destroyed barracks were riddled with bullet strikes/holes and that there were stains from white phosphorus grenades. The Argentines said they were destroyed by a British airstrike. I don't think we will ever know what really happened, but I personally believe that the Argentines tossed tear gas the Moody Brook barracks AND fired guns into it in the belief that Royal Marines were inside it, and then that it was finally destroyed in a British airstrike later on. The truth is usually somewhere in between what two opposing sides claim, so I think that is what happened. But whatever, I'm just an American with an interest in Cold War conflicts.

>>33503527
For Queen and Country.

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>>33503848

Vulcans are the most aesthetic bombers.

>>33503864
I must repeat.
>Operation Rosario (the invasion) had a specific order of not injure the British Garrison.
The Brits killed one Argie and maybe some other barbaric country would respond that by executing the prisoners, but we don't.

>>33503967
Argentinians confirmed white

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>>33503947
Imagine having to fly for 16 hours and all you had to look at was pic related

>>33503967

t. "if a kelper resist when you invade his house and take him and his family as a human shields, shoot them"

>>33502439

There's a British film covering the Falklands with the terribly british name of "An Ungentlemanly Act"

In it, there's a scene where a bunch of Royal Marines and Argentinians are trying to find each other in the night. It's a pretty tense scene until this one brit just stands up with a machine gun and yells "FUCK OFF YOU SPIC BASTARDS" and starts unloading into the night.

It just comes completely out of the blue.

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>>33503977
Call me a nigger...but by my experience living here, I prefer 100 times a noble mestizo gaucho from the countryside than a White normie slave to the degeneracy of fashion and the media.

>>33502742
>we shouldn't give a shit about our fellow countrymen being invaded and occupied by some 3rd world shithole dictatorship because they are far away and stuff

Typical remain voter.

>>33502859
also Goose Green
even if people try to be civilized, war is barbaric by nature

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>>33503013
Pinochet displaced an actual communist marxist and the economy boomed. Chile is better off for it.

Allende won by like 2%, 34% to 32%. On that victory he thought he could change the country into a Soviet satellite nation.

He thought wrong.

>>33504133
The nature of combat would always be barbaric. Specially a scenario like goose green, an assault on decently fortified positions at night.

But look at Syria today, every side is behaving barbarously against their enemy.
>not muh Assad

SAA, YPG torture POWs too, let's not fool ourselves.

>>33503160
wow. not offten to see a para FAL with folding stock

>>33504170
The nature of combat would always be barbaric.
Yeah. You can break it down to "just trying to defend myself from getting kill" by killing those who try to kill me.

The commander told me to go to the airport, but the defender try to kill me, so i have to kill them before they kill me.

>>33503987
comfy

>>33503535
Great Britain as openly violated international treats occupying Falklands tho. Of course they are going to vote to stay if they have been there for almost two centuries.

Any objection is useless now. If you lose the war, then it's done.

>>33503987
>Imagine having to fly for 16 hours and all you had to look at was pic related
I would have to see a doctor immediately for an erection lasting longer than four hours.

>>33504348
>>33504575
It doesn't look like there's any leg room. Plus you can barely see out the windscreen.
I'd go mad.

>>33504575
KEK

>>33503633
>https://www.arrse.co.uk/community/threads/falklands-war-hms-argonaut.244349/

Awesome. Thanks, Anon.

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>>33504607

Windows were small because the pilots needed to quickly cover them during a nuclear exchange.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v53UT4QuFZ4

The Royal Marines fended off a corvette with small arms fire.

>>33506298

I know what that actually means but I can't help but picture RM's opening up on a sports car driven by a middle-aged balding dude.

>>33502224
Mi Español no es exactamenté en el nivel de usted.

Que es hacer pelotudo?

Gracias.

>>33506399
"Pelotudo" means something like asshole or dumbass, because he is saying we cant have a reasonable discussion with british people blah blah, ignore it

>>33503431
>start a war
>Warships gets sunk
>Waaaaah, not necessary
Cry harder.

>>33503967
>being proud of not murdering POW's
Well done Juan.

>>33504063
I voted remain. Falklands was justified, it'd be like not responding to someone invading Devon, still British citizens.

>>33504455
>Britain occupied the Falklands
No. They were there before Argentina existed, go fuck yourself.

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>>33504575
KEK

A little of material to support our erection... (I managed to cum in a moment of "HOWL" over videos like this one, several times already)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_ARSE8jEHQ

>>33506344
https://youtu.be/EzztdvPAsOI

>>33503325
Yeah, due to bad intel, they had a fire fight between themselves.
As I recall, at least one SBS guy was killed and the two groups were only identified when an airstrike was requested by both positions.
They were kept separated after that by command, as the SBS wanted revenge for their comrade.
The war was fucking nuts.

>>33506697
Is it bad that I don't even need to follow that link to know exactly which video you posted?

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>>33501042

Story of a marine engineer serving aboard HMS Argonaut during the Falklands War.

https://www.arrse.co.uk/community/threads/falklands-war-hms-argonaut.244349/

Full details and all when she got hit.

>>33504607
Of course there's no leg room, you have to work the rudder peddles. Did you forget how planes worked?

I'm old enough to remember the Falkland Islands War.

The British captured 2 or 3 American mercenaries fighting for Argentina. They'd all served in US Special Forces.

The Brits marched them into the woods and executed them. After the war was over the Brit soldier who was ordered to kill them was riddled with guilt and went public with what he was ordered to do.

The officer in charge said he ordered the executions because he thought their presence would embarrass the US...he thought he was doing the US a favor by executing unarmed prisoners of war.

They were prosecuted (maybe just the officer) but never heard the outcome. At a minimum I imagine the officer's career was over. I'm going from memory so if anybody else remembers the details feel free to chime in.

>>33507025
ive heard a similar story about this but it was mexican /latin / whatever USMC just doing it for money. Never head the SF part.

>>33501110

When they would have just given the island away if it wasn't for the trophy photos

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>>33507025

>The Brits marched them into the woods and executed
>the woods

I think I might've found a problem with your story.

>>33507096
Kek

>>33507025
>>33507096
The basis for this story comes from allegations made in Vincent Bramley's book "Excursion to Hell", but have never been substantiated by any authority. The Ministry of Defense investigated the claims, but apparently never found anything.

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>>33506566
This.

>>33507025
>I'm old enough to remember the Falkland Islands War.
So am I
>The British captured 2 or 3 American mercenaries fighting for Argentina.
No they didn't. More fake news from a complete faggot. Proof or it never happened

>>33507174
I'd be very surprised if either a U.S or UK administration would ever reveal this ever happened, neither would gain anything from it.

>>33507383
The UK recently tried a sergeant who shot a mortally wounded Taliban fighter and found him guilty of murder - recently commuted to manslaughter die to soldiers mental illness.

There was no benefit to the UK in doing this either and it could have been kept quiet, but that's not how the British military works.

So, had there been any truth in the allegations, there would have been an investigation and, if substantiated, a trial.

Don't apply your third-world standards to first-world military.

>>33507383
And yet the only other option is to believe in unsubstantiated rumors and conspiracy theories.

>>33507417
It's a tad bit different as there's audio AND video footage of that happened, a lot harder to sweep under the rug.

>>33507445
I'm not saying this happened, i'm also not saying it didn't happen. But would you honestly think the Junta wouldn't hire contractors?

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>>33504455
kys spic

>>33507096
>the woods
Kek, although now people think there were yankee mercenaries in our army

>>33504021
Try not to get cut with all that edge

>>33503109

the logistics in the Falklands was crap. the Atlantic Conveyor sinking took all of their cargo helicopters except one (the famous "Bravo November").

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Atlantic_Conveyor#History

This meant that transporting men and supplies from San Carlos Bay, where they were taken ashore on the West of East Falkland, to the front near Stanley on the other side of the island wasn't easy.

>>33503431
> believing Junta propaganda

> Ordered to prepare to attack the next day
> Argentine gov warned via Swiss that U.K. would shoot at anything threatening, regardless of inside/outside exclusion zone
> Official Argentine Defence Ministry report says sinking was legal
> Belgrano Captain's memoirs said sinking was legal, they had orders to fire on any British ships they found, and ship was only temporarily proceeding Westward
> Head of Argentine navy states not war crime, ship was only temporarily heading West to regroup

She might not have sunk if they hadn't been foolishly running with the watertight doors left open for convenience's sake.

>>33503987
At least you had buddies to talk to, though. Misery loves company and all that.

>>33507096
Lol

>>33507461
>But would you honestly think the Junta wouldn't hire contractors?
No. Do you honestly think any self-respecting US ex-military mercenaries with a sense of self preservation would want to take up arms against the British army? Particularly the Paras? After all, you can't pick up your cheque if you're lying face-down in a Falklands bog - that way lie tears and regrets, as the Argies found out.

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>>33501160
I love this

>>33503431
It was a warship. We were at war. It was close enough to be a threat.

if it didn't want to be sunk it should have stayed in port.

Just thank your lucky stars we didn't start fucking up your airstrips on the mainland.

>>33503752
I read that the Gurkas carried loads averaging 110lbs each .

>>33504010
>Theres that
>And also the audio from the Brit executing the afghani
Are the Brit marines a bunch of irl /int/ shitposters?

>>33507174
>>33507461

There is something in this but it's not nearly as romantic or exciting as people think.

When captured Argentines were ordered to disarm some of their own ordnance, one of them let slip that he spoke English. His English was very good, too, as he had grown up in the United States. He identified, after a short interview, three others that he knew personally that had connections with the USA. One had died at Tumbledown, the other two were recovering from cold weather injuries. None were former US military, and out of the four it was established that only one of them (the first one) had a US passport.

Naturally, this snowballed and all sorts of unpleasant claims were made.

>>33507733
They could be suffering the chop very soon. Apparently the Royal Navy was told that if it wanted two carriers, it would have to make cuts elsewhere. As RM haven't exactly covered itself in glory recently, and they're essentially the same size as they were in the 80s, they're in the eye or so to speak.

>>33507706
Carried weight would not vary between Army Infantry units. As a general rule, and I am going off (very) old memory here, the fighting order is half the weight of the marching order and the marching order varies by 25 percent either way through the battalion - signallers, riflemen, mortars, support fire etc carrying different weights.

>>33507757
Really? That would be a shame RM are pretty well respected around the war, god forbid a guys shoots a dude aside

>>33507781
If it was down to me I'd look elsewhere for cuts, but Joanna Lumley would get very upset. There are wider issues in the RM that are unsaid, with the Blackman episode being the final nail in the coffin as far as many are concerned.

There was serious talk in the very early 90s of merging the Parachute Regiment and Royal Marines into a broad force, with the parachute role being rotated through the Infantry. It wasn't quite achieved, too many train sets, but it would have made a lot of sense - particularly as it looks like they're about to get that now, anyway, with less RM input than they would have had 25 years ago.

>>33501085
some were younger then that some were 17 and even 14

>>33507853
3 Para had two 17 year olds that went down. Recently passed out of training and no one noticed the error until it was too late.

Heads did roll.

>>33507832

What would make even more sense is just not cutting either of them and returning them to full operational strength.

All this "cut X keep Y!" infighting helps no-one.

>>33507898
The cuts will continue to be made.

People don't like to hear this, but building fighting troops is probably the easiest part of running a military. You need fit young men and that's about it. The effects of cuts run deep, but ultimately it's a capability the government (correctly) view as being at the bottom of the pile in terms of priority.

Was the world just that different 35 years ago or did this war always look like a fucking joke? How the fuck did Argentina think it would beat the UK?

I mean I know a lot of Latin American and South American countries actually had their shit together in the 19th century but not in the 80s.

Also, I'd like to note how the quality of discussion here is actually 5/5 breddy good. I'm surprised.

>>33507926
>How the fuck did Argentina think it would beat the UK?

It didn't. It was gambling on there not being a war in the first place and that the British would get tied up in the diplomatic side of things.

>>33507926

Don't be fooled by the bravado of the good old lads - Argentina did have a very good chance at winning. US War College, USN, Army and RAF all though that the UK would not be able to retake the Islands.

Only the RN said otherwise.

The UK was in serious decline at the time with a massive defence cut inbound that would see slashes right across the armed forces, notably including the carrier force.

But the Argentines were capitalising on a poltical victory rather than a miltiary one.

The Falklands War is one of the biggest arsepulls in military history.

>>33507963
I guess, but at the same time I'd think the UK would have been willing to do damn near anything to preserve one of the last vestiges of their former empire.

>>33507980
I obviously don't know much about the politics of all this, but wouldn't we (we being the US) have helped out the UK if shit went really South for them?

>>33508001

The internal politics for the US government was a shitshow. The Whitehouse, State Department and DoD were all fighting amongst each other with who to side with.

I believe the Whitehouse, President and DoD/Mil were on the side of the British - and the State Department were on the side of the Argentines.

Bit of a clusterfuck.

>>33507980
>pulling victory out of our collective arse
Isn't that the British Militaries speciality?

>>33508040
Interesting. I'll have to pick up a book about all this once I read through all the books I just bought.

>>33508045

Seems so.

I can easily imagine people posting on /k/ that the British fleet wouldn't stand against the Argentina due to the British having STOVL carriers vs the infallible CATOBAR carrier of Argentina.

>>33507926
The Falklands are really way the fuck far from any other British base (not to mention the homeland). Partially the Argentinian Junta thought the British would cave to a fait accompli, partially they thought they would have the advantage due to closer supply lines and how far the trip was (that first RAF long-distance multi-refuel bombing run was quite a shock), and partially the Junta dudes, as is common with dictatorships where criticism = jail/death (e.g., Saddam vs Kuwait), were ill-informed about the strength of the UK military & its willingness to go to war to defend some sheep-farmers and penguins halfway around the world.

>>33508045
no that would be waiting on the americans

>>33507926
>>33508095
The other thing to mention would be the Exocet missile. Some experts thought that it was going to be literally impossible to sail ships anywhere near a force that had Exocets at their disposal, and given the damage inflicted by these missiles, those experts weren't all that wrong. The Junta believed that this new weapon would keep the British fleet at bay, making it impossible to assault the island.

>>33508103
LEL XD!!!

>>33502350
>>we have have no combat aircraft, no MBTs, one C-130 and a navy that can deploy at most 15 ships.

you mean when Putin attacks.

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Someone recorded the Falkland Islands Broadcasting Service on the night of the invasion. They've excerpted some of the music, but kept in the commentary by the governor and DJ:

Part 1:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agX45iQ1lP8

In Part 2 you can hear when the Argies break in and point guns at the DJ. Later on, the DJ negotiates with the soldiers to let islanders out to milk their cows and also to do welfare checks on some older folks. He was essentially the only point of contact at the time between the invasion force and the civilians.

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Anyone played this gem? They had a bunch of missions about the falklands and when I was in first grade thats how I learned about the conflict.

>>33507166
Ofc the CIA removed the woods after to cast doubt on the story

>>33507600
OP here
Never said it was illegal, just that a WW2 ship with outdated technology was no needed to be sunk when battles had not started yet.

After the attack, with +300 dead, the Junta was forced to fight or risking a total civil unrest.

Look at the unleashing of the events prior to the sunk.

Operación Rosario
>no casualties for the Brits
>no harm to civilians, inb4 "mean argie stole muh sheep"

The whole thing was supposed to be a quick diplomatic chat and agreement on sovereignty.

>>33509408
>Never said it was illegal, just that a WW2 ship with outdated technology was no needed to be sunk when battles had not started yet.
So it is better for the Belgrano to open fire before sinking it? Honestly the Brits should have been sinking your ships in port, it was war after all.

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>>33507926
OP here.
I intentionally avoided posting photos of dead bodies, mass graves or sinking British ships to try ease the emotional side as much as possible.

>>33509408
>The whole thing was supposed to be a quick diplomatic chat and agreement on sovereignty.
Not when you put boots on British turf, it isn't.

> just that a WW2 ship with outdated technology was no needed to be sunk when battles had not started yet
Then it should have stayed in port.

Also, Belgrano was sunk on May 2 1982; the Falklands were invaded 2nd April by 3000 Argentinian troops . So a month after our islands were invaded we sunk one of the largest threats to the task force. Simples. it's not that the Argentinians didn't understand what we would do - on 25th April the submarine ARA Santa Fe was attacked with depth charges.,

>>33509408
>just that a WW2 ship with outdated technology was no needed to be sunk when battles had not started yet.

Clearly the Royal Navy disagree.

sabaton wrote a song about this. they usually seem to racist/nazi for my tastes though

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKAc8GcQL0I

>>33503013
>communists being an extreme minority

Yeah, no.

>>33502052
What aircraft is that?

>>33509408
> supposed to be a quick diplomatic chat and agreement on sovereignty.
Translation:
> all they had to do was just let us Los Malvinas son Argentinas and nobody would have gotten hurt

Go away, propaganda believer. Some people in this thread are having real discussions about the actual events which unfolded according to the people who were actually there, rather than parroting the tripe the Junta and the Kirschners serve up to distract people from the horrible job they're doing running the economy. If not for the continued sabre rattling with the Falklands, Argentina could be the #1 trade partner for those islands with free trade and access rights so broad they might as well actually be Argentinian, and then it wouldn't even matter. Just like Gibraltar right now, at least until Brexit and the border maybe gets weird.

>>33509408
>just that a WW2 ship with outdated technology

So they sank it with a WW1 torpedo to keep things even.

>>33508040
Ken Connor alludes to the American military position in his badly named, but excellently written, book "Ghost Force". Delta Force were more than happy to hand over some Stingers, though it was done off the books. NVGs were also acquired from American sources. This was not in line with the American official position at the time, which was favouring the diplomatic approach.

I watched the task force set sail from a hotel bar in New York City. Nine years later the Gulf War was called the television (or was it playstation?) war, but the Falklands remains a lot fresher in the mind.

>>33509651
Yeah, yes!

That have never won a single election. Not even 2nd place.

The guerrillas of the 60s and early 70s were only popular among extreme lefties, SJW style. They never defeated the army, that's why the resorted to terrorism.

You want the definitive proof?
They had to kidnap important people to get money from the ransom to keep going. Had to steal guns from the army because they had few.

There was no popular support, no one but their families and crazy lefties gave them material support.

>>33509974
There was a tendency, even in the more reserved and subtle parts of the US military and intelligence organisations, to view South and Central America as something that would be immediately lost to Communism if they took their eye off the ball for even a second.

Lack of evidence was proof in of itself, the Communists had to be hiding something. There were places and instances in the Americas where Communism was a viable threat, but in the Southern part of the continent it was about as popular as it was in Western Europe.

>>33509685
OP here
You have absolutely no idea of what are you talking about.
Kirchners left the presidency 2 years ago dummy.

Sure, is not like Galtieri actually searched desperately for help when the task force was coming, accepting resources from Libya, Israel, Peru, Bolivia, anyone that could send ammo. He really believed that being an USAs bitch would protect him.

>>33510033
>You have absolutely no idea of what are you talking about.
>Kirchners left the presidency 2 years ago dummy.
Actually he was perfectly correct 2 years ago. de Kirchner was always dragging up the Falklands as a smokescreen.

This has decreased now the Argies have seen sense and kicked her into touch.

>>33510030
Peronism was the real "popular party" here. Perón was a fascist admirer, close friends with Franco. We literally gifted Spain with food for years because of him.
Leftism is very weak here, all lefties must pretend to be "peronists" to gain something.

>>33501945
head on fucking hell the british madmen

>>33507025
>woods
yeah, not on the Falklands.

>>33506597
weird

Didn't they come up with the phrase "You're not dead until you're warm and dead" during the Falkland war during many supposedly dead guys woke up once they got transported to a warm field hospital?

>>33510601
*due to

>>33510601
Unlikely, British medics are not that inept.

>>33509637
>> Sabaton to nazi?

you're either joking or simple mate.

>>33510259
its the argies attacking the brits you utter mong

>>33501230
Supersonic fighters restricted to subsonic speeds due to the range at which they had to fly. Shitty Argentine flight training not withstanding...

>>33502439
The person who flew that particular Harrier ended up in charge of all coalition Air Forces over Iraq and then the RAF itself at one point.

>>33503752
I wonder what the SAS carried? I know they used M-16, but that's about it.

I think a lot of what happened boils down to the fact that Argentina didn't expect that people from a shitty little island, would sail half way across the world to defend some more shitty little islands.
Pretty sure everyone else thought the same.
But let's be honest, the Argentinians nearly pulled it off, granted the UK would have struck the mainland if they got desperate enough, and I doubt anyone would have stopped them.
On a different note, I do remember that the USA did offer the UK a carrier if it was needed, but they said no, it was their war and they would fight it with their ships.

>>33510778
Would the argies have attacked a US carrier?

>>33510793
>>33510778

The plan was if the RN lost a carry it would be replaced with a US carry which would officially be transfered to Britain. But in the end the Brits simply said if we lose a carry we will threaten to irradiate Buenos Aires, before the bugs ever did, until the Argies sod off.

>>33510766
Same equipment. Probably some civilian hiking gear, but the webbing and basics will have been the same. Respirators, rations etc all standard.

M16 was used across the rest of the Infantry, except the SAS had one weapon per 4 man brick with everyone else getting one per rifle platoon - aside from the COP, which worked on the same ratio as the SAS - 7 bricks of 4 men, one M16 per brick.

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>>33510778
I wonder... How would be if the Brits had won here.

We...could be mates today?


>btw, technically this conflict was bigger than the Falklands in terms of casualties.

>>33510813
I'm from Buenos Aires and I say kill em all!

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>>33510778
Weren't the weather conditions at sea also very much in favour of the Argentinians? If the UK hadn't immediately launched an operation to take back the islands, which the Argentinians didn't believe the brits were willing/capable of, it would have been practically impossible for them to conduct any significant operations from across the atlantic ocean for several months. Which was time the Argies wanted to spend fortifying the islands and hopefully force a diplomatic solution.

>>33510033
The Junta's not in power either, but they and the Kirchners were the loudest drum-beaters about the Islands, hence my comment. Macri has kept the claim, sure, but he is too busy actually trying to fix the economy, and actually capable of doing so, to need to rile up the rabble with nationalism stupidities. And now there are more flights to the islands and friendlier relations with the U.K. too (still not the best of course).

>>33510813
This.

we firmly believed the UK needed the carrier to be a counter-Soviet deterrent, so we offered to replace one if it got rekt by exocet-spam.

>>33511115
Macri is a NeoLib, was flirting a lot with the Clintons and Obama before the election.
He's going to do nothing. Probably ruin some things.

The Ks were just thieves. They played to be "Social Justice Defenders" and patriots while letting Barrick Gold steal all our minerals and depending on the prices of commodities to use the money on welfare and get the votes.

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https://transfer.sh/Pm8b4/hms%20sheffield.webm

https://youtu.be/v53UT4QuFZ4?t=4m13s

>>33510634

I don't know if it true or not, but it wouldn't surprise me.

The lack of helicopters for medevac (since they all went down with the Atlantic Conveyor) meant many casualties were left outside in the cold for long periods of time before they could get proper medical care. However, survival of injuries was in some ways favourable compared to the Americans in Vietnam, where helicopters and rapid medical help were nearly ubiquitous.

The most recent large scale examples of combat injury treatment survival rates over time would have been from Vietnam, so I can imagine that surgeons would have been surprised if a guy who was shot hours ago in the chest and arrived cold & unconscious survived, when someone arriving under similar circumstances in Vietnam (but was in a hot climate and pumped full of blood transfusions in the evacuation helicopter) was as good as dead.

>>33503237
>>33503297
currently reading 'The Falklands War' by Hastings and Jenkins, and i remember a passage on this,
according to the book the americans had SIGINT on the Islands, but it was of such low quality that they told the Brits it was of no use, and they even showed the same intel to the Argentinians to prove they didnt have any quality intel to show the british
(will find said passage, gimme a minute)

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>>33511554
Passage found!

>>33511676

Good effort lad.

>>33503325

They were attacking the argie mainland i believe.

>>33510813

Not by a carrier but a LHA.

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Bongs, why did Tatcher got extremely butthurt when the Brazilians intercepted a bomber that was going into their direction? Heard that she event threatened them.

>>33502224
Y bueno, que queres que te diga, hay que hacer el intento, en memoria de todos los combatientes (y no combatientes) que murieron por causa de la guerra. Asi como hoy podemos hablar de la segunda guerra como si nada.
Saludos desde tierra del fuego, rio grande