Armor thread? Armor thread.

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>>33494252

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are paintings allowed?

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>>33494647
non euro armor?

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>>33494661

How much did one of those weigh?

>>33494721
50 to 60 pounds

>>33494741
Then all the padding beneath it. Just imagine being in one of those on a hot day. Or in winter temps, sweating and feeling it slowly freezing you. I'll stick with esapis...

>>33494804
I can.

Firefighter. We wear 50-100lbs of gear. Depending on load out and SCBA and tools. Only difference is our gear while weighty is not fucking metal with limited flex. Still isn't fun.

>>33494883
Difference is you can strip that shit off pretty easily.

>>33494804
Dont need to imagine. Shit's fucked

t. Reenactor in australia

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>>33494252
Used to own a set of armor. It was a prop from the set of 'Kid in King Author's court my father picked up in an auction. Lost it because of a natural disaster though. Damn shame.

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>>33494804
Honestly that's the worst part. Wearing a gambeson under all that is pretty much like literally wrapping yourself head to toe in a quilt. I can only imagine what it was like to have to wear that in say the deserts of the crusades.

I wonder if many knights would just forgo their padding just to keep cooler.

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>>33495020

How much would it cost to have one set of those back in the day?

>>33494987

Wearing maile against bare skin or over just a shirt is highly unpleasant, it also reduces the protective factor quite a bit. I'd rather wear the gambeson and just stay hydrated.

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>>33495035
>2 turns and 150f upkeep

>>33495020
Additional plate in the cuirass right before the armpit to place a caliver butt - so he can shoot all-armoured, interesting.

>>33495035
A fuckton. Most combatants just wore a helmet and some simple armor. Full armors were mainly the realm of societal elites or well-off mercs.

>>33494252
Russian armor always comes off as a cool mixture of Byzantine and European styles. Which one would you guys wear I like 2 and 3

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>>33495099
Whoops forgot pic

>>33495105

1 or 3.

>>33495105
>mounted drummer
That's pretty metal

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>>33495099
Yeah, it's pretty much just viking armor that developed more. The Varangian Guard are a really succinct example, since they were literally byzantine vikings.

It's sorta like looking at what the viking's armors would have developed into if they hadn't ended up integrating in with mainland Europe.

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>>33495179

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Know it's mostly shit, but I can't help it, it just looks nice and fun to do, same as ye olde fantasy "ringmail" - iron rings sewn onto leather backing.

Realisticaly though, I'd go for riveted mail, proper helmet and a nice shield. Gloves are nice, too, but not really armour.

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you guys think gambeson could offer any ballistic protection? I mean, it's a shitload of layers of thick cloth, I don't see why it couldn't stop something like .45acp.
bonus points for a layer of mail of some description on top.

I hope art is allowed

>>33495272
Go ahead and try. I think it could stop big fat cartridges, not so sure about faster thinner ones. Remember fellow fencerfag saying that he shot proped-up riveted mail with a 9mm glock brand glock from some 20m and it held up. I find it highly dubious, at least without the padding.

>>33494741
Ehh could definitely weight less but true.

>>33495249
When you stab this all the plates will do is direct the thrust toward the leather, could probably help against cuts though

>>33495272
It'll largely be down to the strength of the fibres in the fabric you use. Use a modern, high-strength polymer and, well, multiple layers of kevlar is what your modern bullet proof vest (excluding the really high level stuff) consists of.

>>33495272
Nahh. Just about any bullet will go through a phonebook, and that's much thicker than even the most insanely thick primary-armor gambesons. And most were just quilts with thick horsehair inside em.

The only medieval armor that stands up to firearms is the most thick and hardened curved steel plates, and that's mostly only because it ricochets.

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>>33495359

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>>33495366

>>33495179
A lot of them were Anglo Saxons post 1066

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>>33495372

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>>33495358
>ART THOU A NORMIE? I ASK THY TO REMOVE THINESELF FROM THIS LAND REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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>>33495035
Varies immensely. With quality, coverage provided, decorations, fashion, and over time. A basic infantry armour of helmet, breastplate and basic arm defences should be well within reach for a professional (as most were) soldier, or bought in up to army sized batches by lords. Fully covering plate armour was mostly sold "off the rack", costing a fair bit mroe, but if you could afford the horse to go with it...

And then we get the high end garnitures which may cost about a life's wages for a basic labourer.

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Japanese armor with a western style curiass.

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>>33495393
And another.

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>>33495381

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This may be my favorite armor from any media ever.

>>33495307
As said, I know it's probably pretty shit. But against cuts, damn right it would do well. That being said, Russians call this "Kujak" supposedly, and it was used by them to supplement the mail. Then you get over the stab-weakness. Also, I plan on making some of this and test this out. I've seen more wierd shit happen - could be that the point dents the plate and stops at it, rather than just glancing off.
Any idea how to axtually fukken call it in english? Plated armour? Real studded leather?

>>33495418
Scale does really fucking good against cuts and arrows, a little less good against spears if some savvy orc stabs from below. But man, those skirts/leg part of it would get fuuuuckkeeeen heavy. I get that they are horsemen, but man, just the idea of walking in that hurts. But Rohan armour is a e s t h e t i c as fuck. But gotta hand it to Uruks, they look pretty metal, too.

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>everyone posts fancy looking armor
>junkyard scrap metal armor made by random guy was more effective at stopping bullets

>>33494895
You just have your little slave boy take your armor off for you

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>>33495508
Could the "Kujak" stuff historically perhaps have gone with plates that were somewhat overlapping rather than having gaps between them? It's how brigandine and coat of plates armour works, along with basically all scale armour and lamellar armour ever as well, so it seems like the logical solution here as well. Whereas the non-overlapping plates are quite common in western props/larp/fiction/whatever, probably on account of being quite easy to make, the same may hold true in Russia there as well.

As for what to call it, if you wear it with the plates on the inside then it is brigandine or a coat of plates. Otherwise it'd technically be a form of scale armour (rigid plates attached to a flexible backing), but seemingly being a regional form of armour with no proper English name we'd simply use the regional name as a loan word on English.

>>33495520
If someone's low enough to stab in between the scales there, then he should currently be in the process of being stomped into the mud by you or your horse, which will probably keep him too busy to do much well aimed stabbing. Also, at that angle the attack is going to have considerable issues reaching into your body to get to the important bits.

>>33495532
That's not armour, that's a death trap.

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>>33495571
As I said, that Kuyak/Kujak is different from western brigantines/coats of plates that it is worn with metal plates out and not overlaping. I have no idea how common these were, but from what I've seen, they mostly go over mail for adittional protection against slashes. And slavs being slavs, we like our axes, so it makes sense to defend against them. As for being prevalent in european larps/fantasy/films due to the ease of manufature, don't you think that it's a virtue of it's own? Cheap armour (-reinforcement) sounds like a good thing. It isn't scale armour nor lamellar due to the thing being riveted rigidly to a backing AND not overlaping. It's kinda confusing. One armour that is quite similar and possibly of the same origin/descendant from this is Plated mail, where those plates are linked together by mail, or rather plates reinforcing mail.

About the low stabs, well, think of it this way. Rohan are on horseback. Thus, raised. Orcs are thus already below them. Now, a spear gives them reach.
Imagine a point of a spear impacting a scale at 45° downward angle. Horse is going forward, and even if not, the spear is. Now, it could either get stuck in the scale, force spread to other scales, all is fine. Or the point glances off and slips between the scales, through the soft backing and into another armour layer and/or the body. I know this is pretty speculative, but worth enough to think about. Look at bizantyne lamellar, how it's constructed that the lamellae are facing upwards. Think that would make more effective horseback armour, if of a different kind.

>>33495272
they would offer SOME protection
I doubt a regular one that's just packed felt/cotton would stop a full power bullet
early bulletproof vests were hundered layers of silk cloth (silk is much stronger, like 10+ times) sewn together into a sort of semi-rigid plate

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>>33495645
>One armour that is quite similar and possibly of the same origin/descendant from this is Plated mail, where those plates are linked together by mail, or rather plates reinforcing mail.
Yeah, it's starting to look more like a two-part take on that to me (mail on its own, then plates sitting on top).

Any idea what centuries it'd be around in?

> As for being prevalent in european larps/fantasy/films due to the ease of manufature, don't you think that it's a virtue of it's own?
The shortcuts that make sense for costume armour produced today can be quite different form what made sense back in the day.

>>33495029
>>33495020
BRUH LEEDS ARMOURY

>>33494804
>>33494987
>Why were capes made??

>>33494883
This fucking "limited flex" meme has to fucking end. So many fuckers wear this armour and not a single one will say that it reduces your flexibility. Don't you think that'd be a problem? These guys that made armour knew it would be, so the plates are shaped to NOT get in the way of movement.

>>33495249
Wow, it's shit! Many people would primarily be using thrusting movements anyway due to the range, and especially if they saw some LARP-tier shit like that.

>>33495297
Something to consider is that the weight is spread over the entire body. Think of the weight of someone's lower torso and legs, chopped up, and attached to various parts of your body. That's the kinda weight and feel of it.

>>33495418
Ngl lad, looks cool. But scale armours weren't massively popular due to a couple problems. Pretty shit to stop thrusts, can get caught, lifted and scales could break off without massive force. Other armours made of segmented plates generally worked better anyway.

>>33495532
>Based bucket-head

And that's it for my shitposting.

>>33494883
But plate armour is fitted well to the body so the weight will be better distributed than your rig

>>33495272
If you made it with kevlar fabric yes
Or silk

>>33495372
Man has his priorities straight, can't argue with that.

>>33495737
Not sure, as I know very little russian, too little to actually be able to read up on that, I can barely read cyrilic. Altough an archeologist friend of mine said that it could be quite early, he even said it might have been used as early as in Great Moravia - thus around 9th century. Don't quote me on that, since it's been a while since we talked as he moved, pretty much innawoods. That said, I know of some reconstructions on finds from 12th century, and seen iluminations as late as 18th century.
I think that as a supplement to mail it makes certain amount of sense to have both proper plated mail and mail+plated leather to coexist. Remember that russia was (and is) vast and pretty poor. Now think of some retainer, mercenary maybe. He scounges enough money to buy himself a mail shirt, to go with the rest of his gear, say, an axe, spear, helmet, maybe bow or a sabre. He's pretty well off as is. But you can always go bigger. Now then, he survives a couple of fights, or maybe has a go at being a caravan guard and gets more money and there's, say, a military campaign coming coming soon. Big money, but big risk. Now, it's much cheaper and much faster to get yourself such plated leather to go over the shirt to aid you in, y'know, staying in one piece, as opposed to giving your mail to be "upgraded" as such or selling it outright and buying plated mail.

I know this is all pretty speculative, but hey, I like imagining how things went.

>shortcuts
Well, as a smith that's been dicking around with armour a few times, I can tell you that it's way easier to rivet a bunch of plates to sturdy canvas or leather backing, than making either mail itself or plated mail.

Let's skip the part where you gotta make wrought iron from bloom or something like that and forge it onto bars of usable metal.

To be continued

>>33495520
Yeah, if I remember correctly only the royal guard wear the scale as they're all mounted. The infantry wore mostly mail. I agree walking around in that probably wouldn't be great.

>>33495808
>>33495737

Riveted mail
>gotta forge the bar into a round stock
>gotta make a draw plate
>tediously draw the stock into wire
>coil the wire you had annealed a gorillion times around around a stick or another roundstock
>snip or cut individual rings
>hammer the ends (or whole rings) flat
>punch a teeny tiny hole in both ends
>hammer a piece of wire flat and snip triangles/wedges to serve as rivets, alternatively make tiny ass rivets
>close the ring, insert wedge, rivet it.
>insert another ring, another wedge, rivet
>link, link, link
Alternatively, you can draw out a plate and punch flat solid rings that you link with the open rings and rivet after. There's many examples of both methods and we have an ilumination of solid rings being sanded by drawing them on a stick through a bucket of sand.

Now for the kuyak
>draw out a plate from bars
>use flatter to make it uniform thickness
>tin snips or chisel to cut into plates
>sand or file sharp edges
>punch holes
>make rivets
>rivet the plates
>add a way to hold the eastern coat of plates in place. Like a bit of string on sides
>complete

It's quite a bit less effective, but fucking less labour intensive and lower-tech, since all you pretty much need is shears, anvil, hammer and metal. For mail you gotta have other tools as well and a lot of time. But I agree that combining both is the best way to go effectiveness-wise.

>>33495772
>kujak-a-shit
Well, yeah, it wasn't common, but as a reinforcement to mail, why not?

>>33495772
I'm aware scale isn't the most practical of armor, but it looks damn cool.

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>>33495029
Henry VIII's

>>33495393
bullet dents?

>>33495651
Is the mail for knife protection?

>>33494931
>Natural disaster?

That sounds like a story worth sharing!

>>33494252
I've read that larger soldiers in modern warfare are less than ideal. They have to carry their excess body weight, and fatigue earlier than a shorter soldier. I wonder if that is compounded with armor like in your picture. What do you think the weight difference between those to sets are?

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>>33495272

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>>33495835
The shortcut I was thinking about wasn't making/using using the kujak instead of mail, but rather the use of non-overlapping plates.

>>33495893
Looks like it.

>>33495980
Well past time to retire that one.

>>33495794
Ensembles worn by actual firefighters on actual departments are usually relatively well fitted for the individual.
Its the navy FFEs that blow, because theyre all in a bigass pile and you just grab and go with whatever size you get when its casualty time.

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>>33495917
Yes

Due to the migrant attacks that happen really often here

Sad but true

>>33495520

Weta Workshop made the armors in resin, that's why orcs have all that superheavy plate as well

>>33496303
I found the original uruk-hai the most a e s t h e t i c. That being said, Iron Hills dwarves and fukken Dáin II. Ironfoot was the best thing since first Hobbit's exteriors. Loved the boar decor on everything.

>>33494741
This, but don't forget that good armor was tailor-made and the weight was balanced such that one could move effectively. Modern soldiers carry up to 100lbs on their back, and at the height of chivalry knights spent far more time training than any soldier today.

>>33494883
Fuck off Florida nigger

>>33495893
I would assume so. That shit probably saved his life.

>>33496349
I always liked Rogan the most, followed by Fond Of. I'm not going to lie though Uruks look pretty fuckin cool too.

>>33497636
well SOMEONE doesn't want some delicious pubsubs with publix sweet tea

>>33497721
Jesus, that faggot autocorrect strikes again.

>>33494647
no

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can i satisfy girls with this brehs?

>>33495366
I keep reading about medieval bishops going to war, and always wonder if they just wore the same shit as everyone else or had specific armor

>>33495029
what i would give to be able to take back europe while wearing this.


>>33495918
do you have any idea how horrible that would be? that would hurt like fuck to walk on, it would take atleast an hour or so just to put on and close up the back. god forbid she has to take a shit....

also
>blue board dumb ass

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>>33497909
They generally used the same types of equipment as anyone else.

Pic shows the armour of Matthaeus Lang (von Wellenburg), Cardinal and Prince-Archbishop of Salzburg.

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>>33498492
Bishops are occasionally also depicted wearing specific crests indicating their status, but to which extent these were actually worn on the battlefield is questionable.

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>>33498507
>Battle priests

>>33495893
One dent is what's referred to as a "proof mark", because the armorer would shoot his handiwork once he finished it. A literal mark of proof showing prospective customers that, yes, this will actually stop a bullet at combat ranges.

But that's four decent hits, plus at least three weaker blows. Pretty clearly worn in combat, and most likely saved the owner's life multiple times.

>>33495917
Yes. A German cop is far more likely to be faced with a knife or a hatchet than a firearm. Chainmail just makes sense for first responders.

>>33495980
>sallet
>frogmouth

These should not be as sexy as they are.

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>>33499205
Pic related. Prussian cuirasser's breastplate from the Franco-Prussian war, very clearly proof marked. Intended to be worn in battle, not on parade, so a big ol' dent wasn't a big deal.

>>33497969
>>blue board dumb ass
>all shown is one CG nipple
I hate it when people post porn on blue boards more than most anons but come on dude, It's hardly even there

>>33499352
People get banned on /vg/ every single day for less. A blue board is a blue board, your own personal interpretation doesn't come in to it.

>>33495940
Just the opposite, manlets have a lot of trouble during rucks compared to taller guys (lanky dudes are worse than manlets though). Being tall means your stride is longer and you are physically larger, which means you can carry more stuff. This doesn't hold true for every case, but I've found that bigger guys tend to be a lot stronger than smaller guys, which obviously leads to carrying more shit.

For most packs, the weight limit is about 35-45% of your body weight. If you go much higher than that, your distance traveled is limited and you will quickly exhaust yourself, and you are likely to injure yourself. So if you have a due who is 6'2" and weighs 200 lb., he can carry about 90 lbs of gear, compared to a dude who is 5' 7" and weighs 150 lbs., who can carry about 70 lbs of gear.

That's roughly twenty pounds. That means an extra comms set, or four belts of 7.62 ammo, or twenty pounds of water, or a SAW.

But look at it reversed. If your max pack limit is 70 lbs., the shorter guy will be sweating bullets with his ruck, while the taller guy will be fairly comfortable with his weight.

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Did they ever make armor for fat people in the middle ages?

>>33498492
Did he have a huge cock historically too?

>>33499570
>who is Henry VIII.

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>>33494252

>>33494661
This is a white board, reeeee!

>>33500098
THICC

>>33495105
What the fuck is that dwarf doing with drums, when they're taking the Hobbits to Isengard?

>>33495249
got some boiled leather to go with that, faggot?

>>33495378
no fuckin way, thats awesome

>>33495381
>This guy slaps your lady's ass at a banquet, what do you do?

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>>33495249
>it just looks nice and fun to do

No it dosen't. The only thing necessary to make it accurate is to overlap the plates.

>>33494987
Well at the very least the mail they wore tends to fare better than plate in that regard.

>>33497625
I wonder where modern armor has to go from here. Now it seems stuck at the primitive chest plate level and I know militaries have better stuff to extent but civilian armor seems lacking compared to the biomechanical art of plate and with modern tech is seems strange that is the case.

>>33494987
I haven't worn anything like plate armor and that much padding, but heavy cotton under plastic and rubber isn't too bad while trail riding. It gets drenched in sweat eventually and evaporation still works relatively well so long as air can get to it. I do notice a difference when I'm stopped and not blasting air over myself constantly.
I don't know if they did, but I wouldn't be surprised if some intentionally soaked some stuff before donning. Maybe even more weight, stuff stretching out and sliding around and chafing, trench foot, swamp ass, raisin skin, and stank taint was enough of a problem already, though.

>>33500379
I think it's modern. Some guy makes and sells cat armor.

>>33504230
The main problem is there isnt much incentive beyond torso and groin, everything else can be patched up in time for an evac and people arent doing hand to hand anymore.

>>33494647
yes

>>33501194
Just where the damn did I mention chinks? I know they did similar stuff too, but this looks like lamellar, thus, not applicable. I was talking slavs. Heck, Ruskies used kujaks (brigantine-like things with non-overlaping plates) made of titanium inna Afghan. Posting a different kind of armour and telling me that I have it inaccurate is like saying "you are doing mustard wrong, here's mayonayse."

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>>33507001
With the subject presenting itself again, what primary source material do we have for these kujaks? Not the Afghan war primarily (though there the lack of overlap would seem like a really major deal) but back in the day.

I mean studded leather and ring mail were largely accepted as having been used once.

>>33497625
>and at the height of chivalry knights spent far more time training than any soldier today

I don't know why I keep coming to /k/

>>33507091
>washing rocks makes you a warfighter
No one is saying a knight will beat a Pog, because rifle bests sword but in terms of raw time spent learning how to use their weapons and how to do hand to hand combat that is right.

It is unfair to say the 'average soldier' but child soldiers tend to have more trigger time, big suprise.

>>33507114
We're seriously backing down from "any soldier", huh

If you honestly think that any respectable military's modern SOF don't have significantly better nutrition and physical fitness than anyone that came before you might want to do more research, or, you know, actually enlist and try to get an op40 or 18x or something

>>33507163
I didn't make the original assertion so you seem buttmad over nothing, huh?

Listen, I'm not bashing the military but its fucking stupid to think that anyone who hasen't already had extensive experiance in martial arts can beat someone who has trained thier entire lives to fight hand to hand, nutrition or not. That's not diminishing anyone who served but they only train the rudiments and everything else is geared towards weapons and tactics they'll actually use instead of grappling in the mud when firearms exist.

And comparing 'modern SOF' to 'anyome from the 1100s forward to the 1600s' is retarded and going to end up as a pissing contest over fucking nothing.

>>33507163
Nutrition/health I'll give you, but if you were a knight in the Middle Ages, you were learning how to murder people from age 10 or so, potentially much earlier. Remember that ideas such as "childhood" are from Victorian England, and that a minor noble in the feudal system was a professional soldier, and had an obligation to his liege lord to provide X amount of military service a year, as well as to train up his sons to be big strong knights so his family could hold onto their land.

If you're going to compare it to SOF, I dunno. That's training for an entirely different kinda war. Straight-up endurance training, survival, land nav, all very different to time spent sparring with blunted swords.

>>33496021
Well fitted or not, the weight is not at ALL distributed properly in FFE unlike medieval armour.

>>33507011
As I said, not being able to read russian very well I just go off what I can decypher and parroting what my archeologist friends told me. Problem is that there seems to be a debate of it's origin and how widespread the use was.
As there doesn't seem to be much of academic research on this topic in other languages than Russian, I sadly have to go off just googling "кyяк" and blundering my way through websites and pictures.
The non-overlaping nature of the plates, IIRC, indeed was a concern, but that was the 80's so you gotta cut it some slack. Problem is, and I did some research with colaboration with some metallurgysts from /diy/ and /k/ommandos, that titanium isn't really all that great of a ballistic material when we are talking rifles. As it is lighter, but way more expensive and not nearly easy enough to harden as steel is. The problem was that they had 3 thicknesses IIRC that were used in different vests.
6,5mm was the thickest and held up to 7,62x39mm fine, maybe 5,45, not sure about that one, but didn't stop 5.56
4,3mm were said to be "resistant" to 7,62x39, I'd say meant at the far-end it it's effective range.
1,5/1,25mm plates used mostly on the back were rated against shrapnell, shotfuns and pistols. Some guy on american militaria forum tested it and it broke in half form a .45" but stopped it in the process, 9mm went through. He tested pistol and rifle plates from under 10ft.
Most of these were also backed by some sort of ballistic fiber, which he didn't test.

That all being said, there were some variants where there were circular overlaping plates,much like scales.

Dug around and found the site where I found most of the stuff I know about titanium armour. You'll have to get around broken english though.
http://survincity.com/2013/08/the-russian-army-body-armor/

And here's excellent article on medieval armours in 12th century in Czech. Translator could help, otherwise just look at the pictures.
https://curiavitkov.cz/valka23.html

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>>33494647
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>>33507614
>And here's excellent article on medieval armours in 12th century in Czech. Translator could help, otherwise just look at the pictures.
>https://curiavitkov.cz/valka23.html

Just looking at the pictures (ever a sure path to academic success) it looks like that site has fallen into the ring mail trap. If that's correct then I'd be extremely cautious about believing anything it says.

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>>33508227
I know the author in person and we talked about this (it is also said so in the article) that it's highly speculative and he would be mostly against it for it to be taken as any common way to protect oneself in middle ages, in regards to the ring armour. On the other hand, the article describes the different painting styles on some of the iluminations where one type of armour is good ol' mail and the other one is clearly painted differently (this can be seen on the David and Goliath ilumination).
So in my opinion it's one big ???maybe???. I still find that kind of armour cool looking and I'll probably try to make some in future, but I wouldn't press it as being historical.

pic very much unrelated.

>>33501194

You found the chink in my armor.

>>33509332
Wow you are extremely original and funny anon haha

>>33509493

Sweet, thanks fot noticing it, faggo.

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Anyone know of a website/book/tool I can use to assemble a historically accurate armor set? I want to avoid mixing parts from different cultures and time periods.

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>>33509706
Depends on if you have some specific time period and place in mind.

Best I've seen so far is http://www.wallacecollection.org/shop/books/specialist-books/armour-of-the-english-knight-1400-1450-by-tobias-capwell

>>33495358
>sure is breezy today

>>33509807

germanic knight, mid 1400s

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>>33509861
Mid 15th century armour would either be Kastenbrust (early 15th century) or Gothic (mid to late 15th century).

Kastenbrust armour is poorly preserved and there is not a single complete suit that still remains. When it comes to Gothic armour there are several.

However, it should be considered that while Kastenbrust and Gothic are generally regarded a German style they are not exclusive to Germany - i.e. armours in that style were made in Italy too and there is nothing to keep a German from buying an Italian suit. In fact it wasn't uncommon at all - some of the nowadays most famous Italian suits that still remain belonged to the Lords of Matsch who were ethnically German.

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>>33512062
There are depictions of Kastenbrust armour of course, and of course one can see them in effigies.

>>33509807
>tfw youll never have a drink with Capwell while he talks about the alloy quality of english armour through the years

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When it comes to armor, what is fact and what is fantasy? I've heard that the visored barbute is a Victorian invention (is that true?) so I'd like to learn more about how to identify fictional armor designs.

>>33512880
Czech out "Knyght Errant" on jewtube, hes got very nice coverage about exactly this stuff "fact vs fantasy" and everything else about medival armour.
Don't remember if he specifically spoke about the visored barbute, tho.

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What style would I look into for the elite knight set from DS? It's probably a mash up of a bunch of styles but I hope to make my own someday and a starting point would be good.

>>33512880
>>33513006
I see now that he did in fact do a vid on the visored barbute:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gb1csnUeebo

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>>33494987
According to /larp/ where I asked the same question, the answer is that they would drench the gambeson in water before putting it on.

Heavier but cooler.

My main gripe with chain mail is that it clenches in the gambeson and reduces any ventilation to zero, and if its one thing that a gambeson doesn't do then its breathing. I rather use a thick shirt underneath chain mail and then have a gambeson on top. Better ventilation, less rattling around from the chain mail and keeps the sun from warming up the metal rings.

If there are no clouds in the sky and the weather is above 25C, I could probably fry an egg on the top of my helmet.

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>>33495415
Visited this fucker a month ago, literally every bit of his and his horse's armor is painted with millimeter small decorations.

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>>33495917
Kevlar isn't to effective against knives apparently.

At least they get high tech precision chain mail.

>>33497889
is that so the serfs didnt see your bloodlust boner while you were enforcing the law?

>>33513444
Its more like Kevlar is too stiff for joints.

>>33513033
Helmet is a 1600 Armet
coatmail for the chest
Milan style Spaulder on the right shoulder
gothic elbo caps and gauntlets.

>>33500863
genuflect

>>33494632
Is that the Polish Winged Hussar armor? Where are the wings?

>>33513416
Paints could be thinner but good weathering

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>>33499570

>>33513555
Thanks for the info m8

>>33514140
Who's a big boy??? haha

Anon, the "dent" in the Prussian cuirass as well as a lot of other breast plates from the Renaissance era through the 19th c. was an intentional proof mark to demonstrate its ability to take a bullet hit. It was a mark of good craftsmanship, not a defect.

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>>33509332
How original

>>33494909

Which group? Also an Australian looking to get into reenactment, but don't know where to start. Sydney-based.

>>33495035
if you could afford the nice looking sets you were no longer doing the fighting yourself, youd have bodyguards

>>33505638
>>33500379
cant find it now but i swear ive seen a real set of lion plate armor

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so ive heard cops in germany or whatnot are using chain mail to defeat knife attacks. anyone know anything interesting about it? where it comes from?

>>33517595
Well, it's pretty easy to get some, "butcher's mail" from stainless steel is already made commercialy so they don't cut their fingers when butchering, I've also seen whole butted stainless mail aprons for them for around 150burgerbux equivalent, so the tech is there and since they already work against knives, hey, it's a logicall step. I've also heard some rumors of these mailles being made of titanium, which also makes quite a bit of sense - titanium isn't that great for ballistic protection as you cannot harden it nearly as easily, but you don't harden mail and the increased toughness means it's pretty good even when only butted. Decreased weight is damn nice too.

German cops are (maybe) wearing mithril shirts against goblins... i mean kebab! What a wonderful time to be alive!

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Anyone have any expirience with targes? They seem cool but pretty fucken tiny for two-point use.

>>33513472
More so to keep your armor from pinching your bloodlust boner. Just imagine if the head got stuck on the edge of your groin plate...

>>33513929
You know they didn't actually wear that shit into battle, right?

>>33495389
Keep in mind that "off the Rack" armor wasn't fitted and was somewhat clunky. Still good protection but you're loose some flexibility.

The really high end full bodied plate suits were horrendously expensive but felt like a second skin.

>>33495532
I remember that armor. Heavy as all fuck and wasn't that good against full powered rifle rounds.Never saw that much action because it was too heavy to run in.

>>33495772
You did have limited flex with unfitted plate but most knights had the money for fitted plate.

>>33497625
>knights spent far more time training than any soldier today.

People forget this. A knight trains since childhood to fight. Most would know everything from spear fighting, to archery, to wrestling, to horsemanship, to basic war tactics and court manners and politics.