Swamp/Marsh warfare

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>>33487916
Same way they engage enemies who are fortified anywhere, either bypass them or blast them to shit with artillery. Considering it's a swamp, just bypass the retards.

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>>33487916
Just give Floridians .300 blk sbr's with thermal

There aren't going to be many civs in a swamp, so just detonate a fuel air bomb above it and choke the enemy. Or just burn the whole place.

>>33487939
>>33487955

And if they had no artillery or air support?

During the Iran-Iraq war, the Iraqi's ran live wires through the swamps, like electrical land mines.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Marshes

Don't know how you'd do that offensively, but it'd be something to worry about I guess.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Marshes

>>33487972
Use mortars.

>Barrel Bomb
>Filled with explosives and shrapnel
>Drop it from a helicopter
>Best results

>>33487972
>21st century military
>No artillery or air support
When you say "21st century", the assumption is you're therefore talking about a developed military, not Somalia.

>>33488057
WHAT IF A SHITTY MILITARY THAT HAS NO VEHICULAR TECHNOLOGY TRIES TO ENGAGE AN ENEMY IN AN AREA THAT IS SWAMPY, MARSHY, WET

IS THAT PRECISE ENOUGH

>>33488093
They make catapults to launch napalm barrels.

>>33488093
Then its a shitty irrelevant military that deserves to get merked by swamp niggers

>>33487916
sounds like your describing a guerilla type force.

the only good way to fight them: stop running a crappy government. make reasonable concessions and make life good for your citizens.

>>33488093
Still have mortars.

>>33487916
Nape it.

>>33487916
>What are you doing in my swamp?!

>>33488123
>Have Marxist guerilla movement hiding out in swamps while they plot to overthrow you and install communism with all the baggage that brings
>"Dude its your fault, stop being shit and give them concessions XDDD"
How about first we explore the napalm idea a bit further

>>33488182
> corrupt business destroy life
> some people take up arms against them
nobody gets anywhere without making some good points.

victory against guerillas MUST BE BASED on political victory. if you know any governments who were able to keep power without the consent of the ruled, go ahead an gib it to me.

there are no military solutions to political problems

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>>33488179

>>33488206
If you kill them all there's no need for concessions.

>>33487916
artillery

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>>33488222
Ideas never die.

>>33488206
>if you know any governments who were able to keep power without the consent of the ruled
The government clearly has the consent of the ruled, or else the populace would aid the guerillas and they wouldn't have to sleep in a puddle. Besides, communist insurgencies as invariably a product of external meddling rather than popular discontent.

>>33488240
OK there V.

>>33488093
I think you are fishing for a certain answer

>they get their boots wet
>people get shot

Thats literally all that would happen if you keep taking away capabilities.

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>>33488222
then why hasn't that worked? name one place where military power proved decisive

did it work in vietnam? in the british colonies? in ANY colony? afganistan? cyprus?

the US government actually knows how to deal with guerillas pretty well, when they want to. That's why pic related didn't get executed.

none of these people even went to jail. And all the people watching said, "oh, the fed isn't that bad yet. guess i shouldn't revolt yet."

>>33488257
Because they executed Cliven and then covered up faster than a nun at a public bathhouse. Kill the mouthpiece and blanket the news with other shit; people have incredibly short memories this day in age.

>>33488257
carthage

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>>33488282
.... you are too stupid to discuss politics.

one was killed during apprehension, but none were executed or even really convicted.

>>33488305
Nice ad hom, you clearly don't have an actual rebuttal. They weren't killed en masse because the FBI knew that something so egregious would have a greater probability of rousing people. So they kill the figurehead and the rest of the proverbial snake dies with it.

op basically wants to hear about people fighting innaswamp, he doesnt know how to ask this question.

how would a group of soldiers shoot the fuck out of swamp niggers?

there you go retard.

>>33488305
>.... you are too stupid to discuss politics.
You're the only one trying to turn this political in the first place. OP just wanted to know how to root out some swamp monkeys and you come in here with this baseless self-blame concessional shit, when half those rebel movements in South America were CIA funded power-grabs for personal gain Just because you have insurgents in your backyard doesn't necessarily mean you're doing anything wrong, nor does it mean you spread your cheeks for them.

>>33488302
> symmetric warfare
> somebody loses
yup, clearly modern guerilla conflicts fought with modern hardware can be won, if you just have enough legions to throw at them.

>>33488340
no, i DO have a rebuttal -- THEY'RE STILL ALIVE

>>33488372
>Implying he isn't OP and the whole post about how to root out guerrillas wasn't a ruse so he could same-fag his own thread with shit postinf

>>33488374
>the US government should kill every American that disagrees with them
Sorry but we're not -quite- at those levels of authoritarianism yet, though I'm sure you're quite excited for it to come.

>>33488372
>Just because you have insurgents in your backyard doesn't necessarily mean you're doing anything wrong
that's objectively untrue.

can you think of one successful guerilla movement or militia that formed in a country where the people were doing ok? they're always hungry or repressed or un-represented.

you need unhappy people for a revolution


>>33488422
look, here is an example of somebody who could have become a subversive. But, he approves of the way the fed handled the situation, so he's no threat

treating your citizens well is the answer to guerilla conflict.

>>33488123
>t. Abdul Jabar, proud Islamic Marxist

>>33488450
I never said I approved personally, did I? They handled the situation the way any American alphabet soup agency would. Now if we were talking MVD RF or SOBR then yes, they probably would've just shot lot of them and dealt with the fallout. But that's the thing- I bet the average Russian wouldn't bat an eye at the extrajudicial killing of a fellow, whereas (at least some) Americans do.

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Invoke the wrath of yee naaldlooshii

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>>33487980
The battle of the marshes was one of those things which went on for ages.Into 1984 they where still at it and colloquially the people there called Battle of Majnoon, same setup with the electrical wires, gas attacks and air strikes
But what a lot of people leave out of the story is the "morning road detail"
>Gather round kids, its story time

To get the Iranians off the damn island, because they just wouldn't go away, keep launching assaults overnight through the marsh, keep gassing and electrocuting them. They'd need to get assault routes through the marshes to use their superior armour forces, from an engineering perspective, building a road through a swamp is pretty fucking daft like the Monty Python sketch where they build a series of castles on the swamp until the last one finally stays up.
But what are you going to use? All you've got is sand, more sand ...and dead Iranians.

Every morning after the gassing, zapping odd bit of shooting, they'd get boats out there to pick up hundreds of dead Iranians, bring them back to the engineers who'd lay them head to toe in sort of a 5 x 5 wide and 5 deep formation on top of each other. then start dumping truckloads of sand on top of the dead Iranians. After long enough and enough dead Iranians, you have an assault road deep enough into the marshes to finally get rid of them with tanks and BMP's.

When we stepped off there in 2003, I'd get the odd smart arse bitching about the MOP and (then) "Lt, why are we in this rubberised fuck suits in 43C heat?"
So I'd tell them that story.
Once we cleared the areas where we are unlikely to get gassed, you can take your gimp suit off- until then, wear it or you'll end up as landfill.

>Tigris and Euphrates, rivers of blood since 2004BC

>>33488305
why are they wearing clothes pin suits??

>>33488629


>Tigris and Euphrates, rivers of blood since 2004BC

2004BC? Before humans even existed?

What kind of retard shit is this

>>33489143
Dude, what?

>>33489143
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/21st_century_BC

>>33489184

Wait, you believe humans existed that far BEFORE CALENDERS (bc)? They couldn't even tell time but somehow their dates are correct?

>>33488257
F

nuke?

>>33488093

so basically not a military at all

basically what you're asking is what would happen if a bunch of dumb poorfags attacked a bunch of dumb swampfags

they would fucking die

are you satisfied

>>33489435
(you)
On the offchance you arent trolling, does that mean 5million BC isn't real because humans didnt exist?

>>33489969


The world was created 6000 years ago, complete with fake dinosaur skeletons.

Some people actually believe that shit. Imagine what else they are buying as facts.

>>33488030
Or flak/airburst shells for normal artillery

>>33488179
t. Wang Nguyen Chung, Vietcong

>>33487916
un-"retire" napalm

>>33487916
suicide drones or ground based (hovercraft) unmanned light vehicles.

drive them directly towards the lines of the enemies while dropping smoke grenades to create a barrier through which the enemy can't see through. The SUBVIED (U for unmanned) will target known hard points or clusters of enemy troops to create confusion.

Allied troops will advance with smoke cover and attempt to overwhelm certain positions in order to force the enemy to retreat.

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>>33488093
So.. not a 21st century army? They would get wet, shit nigga what do you want.

>>33488257
west africa under the germans, there. the Boer wars.

>>33488450
Chechnya

>>33490012

Whatever dude, keep regurgitating everything you are told without thinking for yourself

Answer me this smart guy, why haven't "scientists" been able to clone a dinosaur using its skeletons DNA? That would end the debate once and for all, but outside of genetically modifying an alligator to have feathers or some shit it isn't going to happen.

>>33490237

Oh yeah. Those pesky "scientists", what do they know.

>>33490256

All sorts of things.

Well, except how to correctly date rocks and skeletons apparently.

Anything more complex than counting tree rings and they might as well be throwing darts at a board

>>33488257
Try reading up on the Malayan War.
Brits won against communist insurgents, with external support.

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>>33488257

What the fuck? Are you retarded? You don't know or understand anything about the Bundy case, move along...

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By getting massive swamp ass, gettin' mad, and draining the swamp with said swmap ass.

>>33490237
If God created us in his image, why are there different races?

>>33488450
>can you think of one successful guerilla movement or militia that formed in a country where the people were doing ok?

I think a better question is, can you name any country enjoying any level of success that doesn't have some sort of armed, fringe, "revolutionary" group? There are always going to be socially retarded malcontents who just can't into democratic process or legal resistance. This is a function of human stupidity, not political malady. Now go on back to lefty pol and tell your totalitarian masters that you've failed again today.

>>33492521

Idk, you'd have to ask him. if I had to guess it's probably because he didn't have Netflix

>>33487916
Napalm. What a stupid fucking thread. Flamethrowers, tracers, napalm. Problem fucking solved

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>>33491635

>>33488206
Wrong. See below:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malayan_Emergency

>>33487916
drones

>>33490111
there's still guerillas in the north caucaus, and the Russian government basically is flooding those areas with money to keep them from rebelling

>>33492589
acceding to their demands as much as possible still stops the rebellion

>>33495607
Why should the contented majority accede to the demands of a few malcontents? No, better to answer them with isolation and deprivation.

>>33488282
I was happy for a moment because I thought that guy was dead. Turns out he's just awaiting trial. Bummer.

>>33490237
You do realize that Jurassic Park was a work of fiction, don't you?

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>>33487916
Everyone's a faggot don't listen to them.
Currently stationed in FUCKING FORT FUCK PK, LOUSIANA SHITFUCK

It sucks, everything sucks 10x worse in a swamp but it's doable. ALL WE HAVE BEEN DOING IS TRAINING FUCKING NAM TACTICS. Strap fucking rucks on and living out there. Cav scouts usually do their vehicle thing but the dismounts and the light infantry (us) hate life everyday. Goes to show no one sucks more cock than us in the entire base.

Pic is me at a range

>>33496211
They're training you for Korea, bro.

>>33496250
Nah mang, our deployment this year is Iraq

>>33496211
>still wearing ACUs
when you get your deployment shit?

>>33496268
Yes, your deployment THIS year is. Do you pay attention to international news?

>>33488093
>Has no vehicular technology
>Attempts to take a defensive position
Nigga, that's basically early WW1, even the most fucking backwater mudshit insurgents have armoured vehicles these days.

>>33490012
Lemme guess, the Earth is flat and mountains are actually the stumps of giant silicone based trees, right?

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>>33496308
Probably in august
>>33496321
Nah b I was drunk yesterday

>>33492589
Hence why he said 'successful'. Yes, all societies have malcontents and fringe elements. There is a world of difference between that and actually having a guerilla movement, which is when enough people are discontented enough that they risk life and limb to take on the state in an organized fashion. This usually happens in countries which lack democratic processes or effective avenues for legal resistance (at least for the sectors of society that rebel/support the rebellion).

>>33488248
External meddeling that caused a shit situation for the people
-Cuba
-USSR
-China
-Vietnam