Is SKS more accurate than AK?

>>33483223
Neither is noticeably more accurate than the other.

99.9% of it is the person shooting it.

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>>33483223
On Battlefield it is.

>>33483223
Depends on what gun you're describing.

>>33483223
Nah.

>>33483223
Probably more accurate than an AKM, but less accurate than an AK-74.

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why do people call the SKS a DMR when an AKM with a scope is more accurate than SKS?

explain this shit

>>33483223
The SKS has a tilting bolt, which I have been told is less accurate. I'm not sure which is actually more or less accurate though.

>>33483297
Who calls it that?>>33483267

However, it found a long second life in the service of other Soviet-aligned countries, in particular the Chinese army, who found it well suited to their own style of warfare, the "People's War" whose main actors were highly mobile, self-reliant guerrilla bands and rural militias protecting their own villages. In the philosophy of "the People's War", the emphasis was on long-range sniping, spoiling attacks, and ambushes. For this the Chinese army preferred its own domestic version of the SKS (the Type 56 carbine) to the AK pattern.[6]

i mean for the chinese to use it like they expected to it would have to be

Call me a faggot if I'm wrong, but I thought that ak's and sks's had the same barrel.

>>33483223
its irrelevnt since the sight picture on both is garbage

>>33483450
sks is 4 inches longer

fa*ggot

>>33483223
The SKS is more accurate because it uses a traditional rifle grip and has a fixed magazine. However the AK does more damage per second and gains a mobility boost due to its pistol grip and removable mags.

>>33483297
some idiots think that any semi-auto battle rifle/carbine/sniper is a DMR.

>>33483538
>some idiots think that any semi-auto battle rifle/carbine/sniper is a DMR.
If you want to, you're free to get into 'definitions' that are just an arbitrary moa...

But for meaningful discussion, any semi-auto rifle in 30ish cal full-sized cartridge is a DMR.

>>33483589
>But for meaningful discussion, any semi-auto rifle in 30ish cal full-sized cartridge is a DMR.
wrong, intended usage should also be considered. In this respect, the SKS was not a DMR by design.

An sks is more accurate if it has a milled receiver and trigger group, AK's with stamped receivers wiggle around too much when you pull the trigger.

>>33483425
>cheaper gun they have laying around in the millions
>Give it to the peasants en mass, for 'self deffense' in a land invasion

BIGGEST ARMY GUYS! Look how big we are! They are snipers you know! That's why they have the old gun, they will take the fight to the hills pick off the foreign Invaders one by one! Great career in people's army! Pay check and everything! Never unemployed! 1,200 USD a year! Wow! Don't worry, you have all ready joined up!

>>33483515
>damage per second

gaymers pls go

>>33483624
>wrong, intended usage should also be considered. In this respect, the SKS was not a DMR by design.
Fair enough. I would argue though that the ability to be effectively used (and/or use) in a role is more important than design intent.
Independent of intent, you are more likely to hear the bar brought up when discussing ww2 machineguns than you are for ww2 rifles.

>>33483674
the joke
your head.

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The accuracy is honestly pretty negligible. The sks may be like 1% more accurate, assuming you're using proper shooting fundamentals and whatnot.

>unrelated question
What is an Albanian bolt carrier worth these days? I might sell mine... Falling on hard times.

>>33483223
It has a lower bolt mass so I guess there is more potential for accuracy, but you would be hard pressed to find a noticeable difference outside of strapping them both to a bench mounted vice.

>>33483920
Not even sure there's a market for that desu.

>>33483920
dont sell your firearm you poor faggot, better yourself financially for fucks sake. Move if you have to

>>33483991
I'm not selling the whole gun, just the carrier. I got as a gift, and honestly, the OEM carrier is better. I plan on moving soon, which is why I'm getting rid of things I don't want / need.

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>>33483223
I think the accuracy for both guns lies in the round and not the gun itself, but the sks may be slightly more accurate because of the longer barrel though.

>>33483297
literally nobody calls it a DMR
stop listening to retards

It literally does not fill the role of DMR.
SKS is just an objectively worse version of the AK, being that they both fire 7.62x39.
SVD however, IS a DMR, as it fires 7.62x54R.
The optic does not make the DMR, the calibre does.

>>33484217
>7.62x39
>7.62
>7.62x54r
>7.62
>caliber

Um.....

>>33484241
Cartridge
Case length

My bad, I am sorry

>>33483278
Perhaps the cartridge difference.

>>33484241
7.62x39 is an intermediate caliber. I don't know what your gf told you but girth isn't the only thing that matters, length counts too.

>>33483920
>>33483920
Honest to God, your gun should be the absolute last thing you ever sell if you're on hard times. Arguably you should never sell your gun, even if you're completely destitute.

Symbolically and psychologically, it's basically defeat.

>>33484682
Not selling the gun. Yet at least. Just the carrier. I have a stock chinese one I can put in it's place.

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>>33483223
Barrel length means theoretically an SKS is slightly more accurate.
SKS's slightly longer sight radius helps too.
However they're both 2-3MOA rifles chambered in the same round designed for use within 300M.
So functionally?
No, not enough that you'd notice.

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It's not that an SKS is inherently more accurate, but it has a longer sight radius and better ergonomics than an AKM, so it may seem more accurate, when in reality it is just easier to shoot.

>>33486364
I would argue that its short stoke operating system also lessens the felt recoil since its a lower mass bolt/carrier. That probably helps a fair but with accuracy. But due to the caliber used it would be marginal at best.

>>33484217
what's a mk12 spr then? it fits the role of dmr, but shoots 5.56.

>>33483297
Because they play Battlefield.

>>33483223

In my anecdotal experience, yes, slightly

>sino-Soviet SKS (pre factory stamp)
>converted Saiga

Prolly due to longer barrel, or maybe I'm just more comfortable with the SKS. Never sat down with a sled/bags and done a side by side serious comparison, just feel like the SKS hits where I want more often

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I guess you can also call rifles as the SKS as a DMR if that's the role its used for.
Rifles such as the M14 is called a DMR and also a Battle rifle.
And just because it uses an immediate cartridge and not a full size rifle ammo that doesn't mean it cannot be used as such.

For example the MSSR (which is a rifle that uses a 5.56x45mm) is used as a sniper rifle by the Philippine marines

>>33483223
Yes. 3.7" longer barrel for higher velocity and slightly flatter trajectory. Longer sight radius. More solid construction. Short-stroke gas piston instead of long-stroke gas piston might help as well. Though that being said...

>>33483248
It's true that 99.9% of it is in the shooter, but every little bit helps. If I had to try and reach a target at 500m and had to choose between an SKS and an AKM, then I'd choose the SKS.

AK-47 may be a reliable gun but not only is it inaccurate, but it'll knock your earpro off.
2/10 wouldn't recommend if you like hearing.

>>33485122
First of all...
>That pic
Two different points of aim. You're not going to learn much in how the two cartridges differ in bullet drop with two different points of aim.

Secondly...
>2-3MOA
Now granted I hear that a good shooter with a good SKS can take it to 450-500m on a man-sized target, but wouldn't 2MOA allow for being able to hit a man-sized target out to roughly 800yd/730m? With 1MOA or sub 1MOA, that's where you can potentially get out to 1200yd (1080m).

Just thought of a funny joke. What's the worst part about shooting something that fires rounds with over 25mm projectiles? You'll never get 1MOA.

>>33486538
I think you are forgetting the fact that 7.62x39 isnt a long range caliber.

I agree every bit helps, including better calibers.

>>33483223
>longer sight radius (if I remember correctly)
>longer barrel
effect is not significant

>>33486407
For starters the 5.56 round is well suited to precision shooting or ranged shooting out to 600yds, compared to 7.62x39 which is only really accurate out to 200 yds. 5.56 has a much flatter trajectory so it can be used at long ranges where the 7.62x39 with its higher bullet mass and much lower velocity would be shot in a ridiculous ark to be able to reach out as far, practically indirect fire.

>>33486570
2-3 MOA means the rifle shoots a 2"-3" group at 100 yards. A rifle's ability to hit at the ranges you're talking are a matter of the round it's chambered in and 7.62x39 needs to be lobbed like a mortar to do that. Almost every modern service rifle is 2-3MOA.

As for my pic, those are just 7.62x39 ballistics. The comparison is between a 25/200 battle sight and a 50/100 battle sight and how they hit at various ranges. It's not a comparison of an SKS and an AK, it's an illustration of how the round works, and how hard it starts to drop outside 1000 feet.

The graph you seem to have misunderstood shows why you're not going to be hitting much with any x39 rifle at 800m. It's got fuck all to do with minute of angle.

>>33487794
>what is adjustable
I get what you are saying, and apart from that you ain't gonna see shit at 800y, boolit drop is annoying, but this is exactly the thing adjustable sights are for.

>>33487844
No one actually adjusts sights like that. I know it makes sense on paper but it doesn't really apply that well in terms of how the gun shoots vs the sights, the inability to get a cheek weld at that angle, the fact that even if you can see a guy that far getting an accurate ranging, and lining up a shot with that arc will be fucking hard. Most militaries tell the troops to leave the irons at 200m and have the marksman zero scopes at a known range and use holdovers/unders for placing shots at estimated ranges.

>>33487903
>>33487844
Also the sks notch and bar sights are complete ass, and you won't be able to line up anything close to a good enough sight picture for that range.

>>33487844
Most adjustments on AK/SKS sights past 500m are pretty optimistic playboy.

I've tagged 18" steel plates with my AK and SKS at 500 yards but it was tough to do reliably. I'm under no illusions that trying to hit a man-sized, moving target center mass, particularly one that's shooting back at that range, much less past it, is a matter of luck.

Do you think that because your sight ladder goes to "1000" that means the gun is effective out to a kilometer?

>>33486570
>The two different cartridges
What did he mean by this

>>33487954
I meant two different bullets, from two different rifles. Same cartridge. I thought it was supposed to be comparing the arc between an AKM and an SKS, but with two different POA then we wouldn't see the difference.

>>33485122
>200yd zero
At 300yd there's about 13" of additional drop, So if you're aiming for the head you'll be pretty much good for center mass.

At 400yd there's an additional 2'5 drop, meaning in total if you try to shoot at 400yd with sights set to 25yd/200yd you'll be 3'6 low. Basically fucked for center mass shots unless you're aiming quite a bit above the target. I'm not really interested in shooting at a distance with inappropriately set irons; just getting it in mind how severe the 7.62x39 bullet drop is. Looks like with 200yd zero though, you're good for centre mass between 0-260yd (up to 238m, basically) since the highest your bullet will be above POA is about 3-4" and the lowest the POI will be from POA is about 6" which seems reasonable.

So, set the irons for 300yd, take some shots at a target at 400yd, and the POI will be almost two and a half feet below where you're aiming. I guess if you're roughly aiming for the head, you'd be sending your grouping around their thigh/lower torso region. Then 50yd beyond that and there's an additional 1'9 or so of bullet drop. Pretty rough. Still, if the distance is right, and you've got your irons set right, you can lob em in there.

>>33487917
Ah, of course I know it's utter shit past half a klick, reminds me of that joke table comparing AK, AR and nugget, saying "your rifle has sights up to neighboring country, and you have tried it" or some shit like that. Guess I was defending the ability to adjust your sights autisticaly. Sorry 'bout that, tired.

Altough dingin' 18" at 500y does sound pretty good.

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>>33483251
The RPK from BF4 was my favourite. It was the only one with wooden furniture.

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>>33483515
kek

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>>33485122
a longer barrel is less accurate than a shorter one the only reasons to use a longer barrel are to add velocity to the round and to stabilize the round. However stabilization occurs pretty quickly so its mostly to ensure that the velocity is high enough to reach out to longer ranges. pic unrelated

>>33488011
A 200m battle sight is the best all-around for an x39 rifle if you take into account its intended usage and strengths, IMO.

>>33488011
That's kind of the argument for intermediate cartridges. If you have 100 men that are all carrying 200 rounds of ammo, statistically they will get a lot of hits if they can all get pretty close to the targets

Wouldn't it have to be designated as a marksman's rifle to be considered a DMR?

Also, does a chinese SKS fit into a russian/bulgarian/yugo stock? the chinses stock is just so fucking short

>>33488578
Get a 1" screw-in buttpad that has a port for the trapdoor.
They're like $5 and you can use the factory screws.

>>33488578
the marksman is the thing that is designated, and the rifle belongs to the designated marksman.

>>33488599
Ive done that, the problem is not only the length but the hand grip is fucking tiny too, my face is pretty much on my thumb. Although the small size is handy for throwing around.

Its almost like the stock is 7/8 the size

>>33483223
Since I can operate my SKS as a bolt action yes, yes it is.

>>33488733
>removing the gas port
so can every semi-auto ever.

>>33483667
>BIGGEST ARMY GUYS! Rook how big we are! They are snipers you know! That's why they have the ord gun, they wir take the fight to the hirs pick off the foreign Invaders one by one! Great career in peopre's army! Pay check and everything! Never unemproyed! 1,200 USD a year! Wow! Don't worry, you have arr ready joined up!

There are no factory-installed examples to test so any theorycrafting is completely pointless. SKS accuracy is 100% dependent on the condition of each individual example.

>>33483297
le semi auto makes you more accurate meme

My SKS and Saiga are basically identical accuracy-wise, my Vepr firmly outshoots my SKS (nice 54 Tula), although it may be because the SKS trigger isn't great.

>>33483223
Slightly, and it'll gain slightly more muzzle velocity too which helps.
The main thing that'll help regular schmucks like you or me is the longer sight radius and paying for ammo that isn't bottom of the barrel wolf.

>>33488851
And the sight radius, which is already nice, gets that much longer when you put on tech sights.

What happens if i remove the piston from my sks and shoot it? I get that it won't cycle the action, but will it damage my gun or anything?

>>33483223
Probably a little more accurate because of the longer average barrel and sight picture. SKS also cost a bit more to make because of the larger pieces of stock wood required and slightly more receiver machining.

>>33483251
>SKS ft tapco shit
Fuck why

Every response I've seen is either
>More accurate, by the slimmest of margins and most shooters wouldn't even begin to see the difference
or
>It's flat out not more accurate

Either way, doesn't sound like there's any performance increase worth mentioning. Getting that picky about groupings when you're using a military issue 7.62x39 weapon is a textbook example of niggerwhatthefuckareyouevendoing.png anyways.

>>33488145
Are you lurking moleman? please update us!

>>33483251
>bf3
mein neger. Rush on Damavand Peak and Kharg Island 24/7 4lyfe.