Why don't you own a bullpup yet?

>>33476281
If I want overpriced meme gun I would buy Scar.

>>33476295
RFB > SCAR

>>33476295
bullpup hates you too

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51U_V8Y3zQk

>>33476281
Because normal positions of triggers and mags are infinitely better to use.
>>33476295
Excluding the word "meme" making me completely distrust your opinion if you were actually trying offer real advice, this.

>>33476549
Infinitely is a strange way to say slightly.

>>33476588
Slightly is a funny way to say "personally."

Only retards act like using a bullpup has some crazy awkward reloading procedure.

>>33476281
I'm left-handed.

>>33476281
Because AR's are cheaper.

>>33476609
came here to post this.

Left-Handed Master Race checking in.

>>33476609
Almost every single bullpup on the market has accommodations for lefties.

>>33476281
I didn't buy one.

>>33476616
Which you need to pay extra money for.

Also, you can't switch shoulders on the fly regardless. Not much of an issue, but an issue nevertheless.

>>33476281
Because im not 21 yet and the one i want is an XDs

>>33476605
>widely agreed in modern military settings that bullpups are less ergonomic than traditional rifles
>durr everyone that doesn't like my special snowflake gun is retarded
Autism incarnate
Bullpups don't offer significant advantages over traditional rifles and have many disadvantages - ergonomics, comparable weight, production expense, and logistics of replacement.
Maybe if we see another symmetrical war between serious military powers where we need .308 or 7.62NATO in small packages bullpups will be worthwhile, but I doubt it. As-is, asymmetrical warfare is subsidizing lower-power rounds and carbine-length rifles that can be produced cheaply and don't benefit from the Bullpup's niche advantages

>>33476624
>RFB
>FS2000
>RDB
>KSG
>PS90
Can all be swapped freely.
MDR takes zero monies to swap sides. Only the AUG and Tavor require additional doshingtons to convert to southpaw, and can be had factory left hand for no additional cost.

>>33476281
they aren't price competitive and for my purposes they don't offer much beyond the cool factor

if there were bullpups available for~$800, I might be interested in one as a stand in for an sbr, but in the mean time I'm fine sbr'ing my ak pistol and having more money for ammo

t. poorfag

>>33476667
RDBs start at a grand.

>>33476640
Cite your source that bullpups are "widely regarded" as inferior.

>>33476672
neato

but $200 buys a lot of 7.62x39 and I sure do like me some slavshit

>>33476656
Well that's nice to hear.

Related question, is L85A2 British military uses still unswappable? I pity bong lefties who want to serve.

>>33476609
RFB ejects out the front and has a switchable charging handle.

>>33476699
Yes, it's unswappable. You just learn to shoot correct handed.

>>33476729
>>33476729
I'm a lefty and can shoot with both. That said you will never be as good and comfortable with your non-dominant hand as with your dominant hand, it's simply not possible.

Especially if you started to learn as an adult.

>>33476609
Not left handed but left eye dominant so I'm forced to shoot left handed.

>>33476281

If they ever make a bullpup that is decent quality, without being overpriced, I would consider it as a novelty.

I just can't see spending $1300+ on a gun that I think is neat, but gets beat by any of my AR's.

So, if there is ever a sub-1000, I'll look into it.

>>33476624
>Also, you can't switch shoulders on the fly regardless.

I have no dog in this fight but who are you fucking switching shoulders for? You pretend to be in combat a lot or do you actually go play three gun?

>>33476895
You don't really switch shoulders in 3gun.

As I said
> Not much of an issue, but an issue nevertheless

>>33476359
wht happened to this guy, CarniK Con?

>>33476281
Because I could buy a rare, no-longer-imported AK variant that's guaranteed to go up in value or a really good AR that's purpose build for my application for considerably less than the price of these plastic meme guns.

MDR hasn't released yet senpai

>>33476281
Because I'm an undergrad and can't afford an AUG yet

>>33477052
The .308 MDR is up to $2500 now. It would have to be almost impossibly good to justify that.

>>33476281
They seem kind of cool but I don't have enough money to justify spending $1,000 more than on a similar not bullpup design. The ones I've played around with balance great I have to admit.

Someday though I'm sure.

>>33477087
SCARs run for 2750-3500 don't they? If it's on par with a SCAR, lighter, and shorter, I'm happy.

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>>33476929
MS and the prohibitive cost of making videos and getting relatively few views.
He's still pretty active on IG.

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>>33476281
I own several.
>>33476298
No.

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>>33476281
But I do senpai. On the real though, I love my AUG and am very happy I got it, but the price difference between a bullpup and an AR these days is crazy. That's not to say there aren't reasons for this though. An AUG comes with a much higher quality barrel than any AR I've seen, and I have yet to see a single AUG barrel shot out (of course I'm sure the Aussies have plenty). That being said though, the average person isn't probably going to shoot enough for these gucci benefits to make a huge difference when buying. Stack that with the incredible price low of ARs we are seeing and it's a very expensive purchase. The best advice I can give is to save the pennies and get one if you want it, because I love the hell out of mine. But, if you are looking for a rifle to shoot with and have a limited budget, then a bullpup probably won't be for you.

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>>33476615
>Disability
>Master race

>>33476281
>That mag release
What a shame, it looks like a nice rifle otherwise.

>>33476837
I know that feel mutant bro. Working a bolt action is awkward as fuck. Do you have trouble throwing footballs and shit too?

>>33477193
>can't reach the AK handle without gymnastics
>calls others disabled

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>>33477181
>White AUG
My dick is diamonds

>>33477181
Your "barrel" shoots 4-6 MOA. A $125 BA AR barrel shoots sub MOA. Your opinion is trash.

>>33477249
Aug is a 2moa gun m8.

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>>33477226
>gets pooped in the face with brass
>loses teeth with charging hande on any non- specialized bullpup
you're right, isn't that like how autism is a super power?

>>33476281
I....already do?

>>33477309
>gets pooped in the face with brass
Only with bullpups and only when not swapped

>loses teeth with charging hande on any non- specialized bullpup
Hardly. I mean I guess if you are retarded and can't shoulder it properly, but you shouldn't measure everyone by your own standards Anon.

Meanwhile
>can't even check the chamber without tilting the gun
kek

>>33477239

Agreed.

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>>33477355
>Imblying I'm not Sid-eyes master race

>>33476281
I do own an AUG, the master race.

>>33477385
Touche.

>>33476281
But I do.
>kushnapup

>>33477309
>loses teeth with charging hande on any non- specialized bullpup
What?

>>33477411
Get out

>>33477439
Kill yourself you underage nigger

>>33477139
The SCAR is crazy inflated in price.

>>33477444
Why

>>33477439
He thinks shitty conversions kits made with things like SKSs or Mini-14s in plastic cradle stocks is an example of a bullpup or something that someone with any kind of sense would consider even if right handed.

>>33476281
What the fuck it's "bullpup"? I always thought it was "bullup"..

>>33477512
Are they really though? Machine guns Las Vegas reported that of their fully auto firearms (most of which have tens, even hundreds of thousands of rounds per year shot through them) the SCAR 16 and 17 had the least breakages/worn out parts. That means more to me than any YouTube torture test.

>>33477249
1) It's not a 4 MOA
2) I was referring to the overall life span of the barrel
3) I am curious to how the higher gucci barrels on AR stack up to Steyr's mountain dwarf magic

>>33477214
Yeah I've pinched fingers trying to work the bolt on my Carcano and Mosin really fast.

I do everything else right handed. My right eye is so bad I absolutely cannot use it for aiming. I started shooting very young so it was really natural for me to shoot left handed.

>>33476685
Not him, but most major militaries don't use bullpups.

>>33477181

how's the quality of the newer AUGs? is the trigger any good?

thinking of ordering one to complete my real fuckin NATO calibers

>>33476281
Personally, a Steyr Aug is probably going to be my next rifle if I can resist the urge to buy a FAL

>>33477662
I love mine. Protip allocate $30 to change out the factory charging handle it's garbage. Get this one instead https://www.bullpuparmory.com/product_p/ghw-aug-ch.htm. The gun itself is a dream to shoot. Every once in awhile I think about getting another 5.56 rifle, but I just look at my AUG and know I won't shoot them more. Trigger is not bad, personally I don't get this whole bullpup triggers are the worst in the world thing, but I shoot a lot on different guns so I might have made myself ignorant. Now here are the gripes; shit charging handle out of the box (fix it Steyr for Christ's sake, it's a 1600 gun!), proprietary mags (Pro mag makes decent ones for a little less and the price isn't awful, but it's easy to be spoiled by AR's price dip), base model has no optic out of the box (sure I have money, but even the Tavor has some shitty irons), aftermarket (AUGs have very minimal aftermarket and basically one place for parts PJ down in GA). If you got the cash I'd say throw down for one and you won't be sorry.

>>33476779
Not with that attitude you won't.

>>33476672
They're also impossible to find at that price.

>>33476281

is that a FAMAS

>>33476281

I'm a trigger snob.
And I demand that all my guns are ambi/lefty friendly. (not being so is just lazyness on the part of the designers nowadays)

Sadly, almost no guns meet the stated requirements.

>>33476281
Because Type 97's are unimportable, and the few FAMAS's we have are 10k+. Those are literally the only two I like enough to want.

>>33476281
>bullpup has more parts
>more parts = more potential for critical failure
>smaller aftermarket

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>>33477976
Where in the world did you get the more parts in a bullpup stat? This is an AUG fully field stripped into all it's major components. Each of those components can be replaced quickly and easily.

>>33478021
Trigger linkage dipshit

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>>33478021
Here's a complete parts diagram for an AR

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>>33478032
>>33478036
You're not very smart, and here's the AUG

>>33478044
>ignoring that the AR platform is 20 years older than the AUG

>>33478032
>>33477976
And to continue official parts count by group from Steyr manual
>Barrel Group
11
>Receiver Group
21
>Trigger Group
17
>Bolt Group
23
>Magazine Group
5
>Stock Group
21
Total = 98 (this includes a magazine)

Total parts for an AR: 101 (not including magazine)
>https://www.midwayusa.com/General.mvc/Index/Schematics~AR15

You are not only wrong, you are very wrong, though I'm being unfair. Removal of the iron sight would probably put the AR below the AUG on total parts and the AUG manual does not list the parts count for the scoped variants.

>>33478096
Age wasn't discussed.

>>33478150
Ruger manual lists 72 parts for their flattop AR556, but doesn't count all of the buttstock components/sight components, instead it marks those as 1 whole unit.
>https://ruger-docs.s3.amazonaws.com/_expViews/AR-556.pdf

>>33477484
Na, I'm good buddy. Also probably older than you.

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One day when I'm not a broke ass college student I'm gonna buy a kel tec rfb to satisfy my need for a real life Halo Reach DMR

Anyone here got a Tavor, converted to 9mm and fitted with a Manticore suppressor?

I have a Walther G22...

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>>33478327
They're like $1400 or so nowadays, so you don't need much money. One of the best values for a 308 out there.

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>>33476281
does mossberg 500 conversions count? Bought it used, fantastic barrel but beaten to hell and back on outside.

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>>33478416
I live in Canada so they're like 2000 here, and that's before optics. But it's arguably one of the coolest non restricted rifles you can get and would be be dank for deer hunting because of how compact it is

>>33477148
IG?

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If I had a million dollars,

IF I HAD A MILLION DOLLARS

Well I'd buy a wa 2000

>>33478327
>>33478380
Too bad it's made by kel tec and are unbalanced and unwieldy af
Did they fix the 500 rd "break in" period? Or is it still a single shot for that time?

>>33476281
Where does the bayonet go? ....In your belly cause you cant hand to hand with it

>>33478713
Ive heard that the rfb is remarkable though? I'm sure some of their other stuff is shoddy but they've gotta make somthing nice

>>33476281
Because I like good crisp triggers.

>>33476549
Woah really makes you think.

>>33478731
That's just people memeing. The RFB is a great rifle.

>>33476837
same here

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Geissele AUG trigger soon.

>>33476837
Yeah me too, it sucks that I have a milsurp obsession and all those guns are right handed.

>>33478731
>they've gotta make something nice
Lol maybe some pistols.
Go fondle an rfb and be disappoint.
Front heavy as balls, even with a mag in.

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>>33478763
With brass deflector also courtesy of corvus defensio. Now lefthanded abominations can shoot without fear.

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>>33478763
What a strange idea, knowing how AUGs work. Thats not the trigger though, thats the box in the back. I guess it just makes it more easier ish? I don't know why how you'd change it. Its a straight pull back already with little tension.

bullpuppers

>>33476281
I cant mag flip as easily

>>33478809
that thing is disgusting

>>33478809
That's where the actual moving parts are though, that is the trigger pack. It is where the hammer and sear and everything that determines what the trigger feels like is.

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>>33478825
Agreed, MSARs are pretty gross

>>33477249
>AUG
>6 MOA
wut

With a shot out bore or what? Or do you think it's a Tavor?

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Because sometime I like to pie around a left hand corner without exposing my whole body

>>33476281

I can't find one that I like entirely. With every bullpup there's at least one thing that ruins it for me.

>>33477558
I'm not saying the SCAR isn't good, I'm saying the pricing is insane.

Consider the fact that a military or police contract for SCARs see them average at around $700 a unit; they're pretty cheap to make.

If FN just fucking tried (or if 922r was shitcanned), they could lower the price substantially. Unless they wanna continue being wafflejews.

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I do

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>>33476615
Satan spawn.

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>>33476609
another South paw shooter reporting in
>>33477193
>TFW AKs are more southpaw friendly then righty,
>Left hand on pistol grip
>Right hand replaces mag, charges gun, activates safety
>No retard roll needed

>Similar with AR as right hand does the loading and bolt release
>with southpaw on almost all standard config platforms sight picture never lost with reloads

Also No surprise click if a malfunction occurs as you can see jams, stovepipes, and other errors immediately

Also
>MFW I Have a KSG, PS90, and shot a FS2000... and yet I still would choose a standard config carbine to any bullpup

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>>33476281
Because Bond Arms hasn't made this in .40 with an extended clip yet

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>>33478988
>looks / operates like a regular automatic handgun
>bullpup

Am I missing something?

>>33479214
Check how it extracts from the magazine again my friend.

>>33479214
yes

>>33479214
Notice how the barrel sits directly above the magazine, rather than slightly forward of it.

>>33478671
Instagram

>>33476281
Because both pistol grips and thumbhole stocks are b& in CA. If you figure out how to make a bullpup without either of those, let me know.

I'm waiting on the MDR

>>33476298
Owner of a SCAR and RFB, can confirm. Selling my 40,000-peso SCAR next week to buy more ammo for RFB. The RFB was used when I got it and has gone through 5,000 rounds no problem, no FTE, no FTF, no hiccups or mag failures. My SCAR was brand new and after the break-in period it has had so many FTE and FTF that it's not even funny. Never falling for the fancy AR meme again.

>>33479566
>SCAR
>fancy AR

>>33478907
ARs are not really all that leftie friendly. They are operational, but:

You can't push the mag release with your index finger, so you pretty much have to take the mag out with your right hand and push the release with your thumb.

In other words, you are forced to make retention reloads and can't make speed reloads.

You can use the safety no problem, but it will require switching your hand around which is not ideal.

Ambi mag release and safety are definetly something you want on an AR as a leftie.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viFO0z_C5No

>>33479574
It's a fancy AR18

>>33479761
true but you can't say AR without implying the 15

I'll own one once the MDR is released.

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>>33476295
>SCAR
>Not an overpriced meme gun

>>33479965
wow anon can you even read

>>33479965

U r really dum.
4 real.

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>>33476609
>tfw left handed but right eye dominant
Plebs, all of you.

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>>33479976
>>33480003

>When you misread "If I want overpriced meme gun I would buy Scar" as "bullpup is overpriced meme gun I'd rather buy scar"

>>33476281
I'm not gay.

>>33480374
I'm fairly certain you are gay.

Why lie on the Internet?

>>33476837
I'm left eye/tight hand dominant, but trained through to shoot competently both ways. Now I'm ambi. Git gud.

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>>33476281

>>33476281
Because the MDR hasnt been released yet. but hopefully soon.

>>33476281
Because I'm waiting on RDB-S to come out, get the bugs worked out, and get cheaper.

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>>33476281
But I do.

>>33476281
Bullpup is only ever worth considering if your are part of a mechanized infantry unit and need a weapon for the confined space of a vehicle... otherwise its trash compared to conventional design.

When I went to Israel I noticed a lot of soldiers carrying .308 bullpups. I never seen the rifle before, anyone has an idea what was it?

Because the cool factor isn't worth the price compared to a non-bull0up of the same caliber.

>>33479574
>implying the SCAR isn't just a fagged out AR with extra shit all over it to make it look like it's worth 2many$hekels
Found the noguns newfag

>>33476281
Because I shoot rifles left handed and bullpups are memeguns.

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>>33476281
>Why don't you own a bullpup yet?

It's pretty low on my list DESU...

>>33479668
Can confirm.

>Ambi safety
>Norgon ambi mag release
>POF Enhanced Universal Bolt Catch

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>>33477309

>you're right, isn't that like how autism is a super power?

pic related, it is a super power

also http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2017/03/30/potd-exotic-bullpup-ak/

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Can't acquire here in the US...

But maybe one day I can make it happen. It's an AK at heart after all.

>TFW no 9x39 here

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Who preban here

I'm a lefty
I already have burns all over my arm from AR casings, I don't want them an inch away from my cornea

>>33476281
>heavy, long, mushy triggers even with aftermarket "upgrades"
>can't into supported firing positions
Doesn't fit my shooting style.

I had had an FS2000 years ago, did literally everything worse than my Colt AR. I realize it's not the pinnacle of bullpups but at literally 3x the price of my AR it was a huge disappointment.

>>33481123
Oh god that indian abomination. It combines the shitskin poor 3rd world need for an AK with the common wealth L85 Influence. And that furniture *throws up*. (It just looks confused)

>>33479965
u dumb as shit. 4th grade reading level at best.

>>33482216
Sorry to break it to you. But I don't think the US is going to let these Russian firearms in. The Groza is a neat looking odd gun but I think that's really it's only alluring feature (it's design). It's neat in BF4 that's about it.

>>33482360
Man I wish, damn would I kill to get a classic SG.

>>33476281
I'm neither a woman nor a child.

>>33480421
bi-ambi master race reporting in

never shot a bullpup though ;_; stupid PRC

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>>33476295
Why not both?

>>33480797
>want to get one and SBR it to 10.5 or whatever the P90 is
Would you recommend it, anon? Are they fun times or is it a big money sink?
I also heard that the 16" barrel actually helps the 5.7 round a lot, though I wouldn't be buying it for muh ballistics.

>>33476281
Why would I? They are overpriced for what they offer and only thing they offer is shorter OAL. Plus they come with plenty of their own problems.

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>>33476281
Fugly, overpriced and I don't have much use for one, anyway.