DOTM

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>>33475993

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>>33475993
>>33475994

Here's an example of the easiest way to score (subtraction)

>>33475993
Also hits outside of the 7 ring are worth ZERO points (-10)

Bump. Gonna shoot this this weekend

>>33477276
Bumping. Gonna shoot this in hopfully an hour

Imma do this with my glock 19 for practice.

I could probably get a perfect score with my mark 4, but i guess thats cheating.

>>33478438
>I could probably get a perfect score with my mark 4, but i guess thats cheating.

you are def welcome to shoot it with the gun of your choice, but I think it's a more balanced test done with carry/duty gear!

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>>33475993
Kinda disappointed i did so bad. Need to practice a lot more.

>>33479280
Don't be afraid to farm it for a bit and come back with 2 more personal bests after you've gotten really familiar - you've got a month! I'm sure you can make some great progress.

Thanks for contributing, it reads a lot easier than it shoots, doesn't it.

>>33479327
Yea it does. The 25 yard is what killed me hard. With trijicon HDs the whole black section is completely covered so gerring used to that was hard.

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>>33479379
The transition to massive target covering front sights to facilitate 'reactive' shooting at distances where you should be point shooting is a plague on the shooting community.

>>33475993
Hitting the range tomorrow, funnily enough, to zero my huge target blocking Trijicon sights on my USP45

>>33475993
So what do I win if I clean a perfect target?

>>33481128
You earn legendary status on /k/

A guy shot a 290 the other day - everything in the black, he hasn't reposted in this thread ( I hope he reposts it hint hint)

>>33480035
>>33479327
This was definintly a fun way to shoot my Glock 22 with 12lbs trigger. Haven't gotten to shoot it since trading it for my G23. A lot more fun than static shooting.

>>33481447
You had a 12 lb trigger on your gun?? NYC cop? FUCK that's absolutely brutal, talk about a penalty.

>>33481182
Looks like I got shit to do

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>>33483181
Good deal bro - even if it goes less than awesome please post - /k/ needs a healthy injection of physical stuff not just gear arguments.

>>33484417
I'll be on the range tomorrow

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>>33480035
Just installed the sights, this is going to be a pain in the ass, why don't manufacturers make front sights thinner?

>>33484984
Its for faster acquisition, useful in most scenerios and ranges involving self defense and the rest can be boiled down to git gud.

>>33485014
I'm not trying to be a dick here, but, do you actually understand this or are you just regurgitating the 'accepted wisdom'?

Because that is a load of bullshit.

>>33485352
>>33485014
Sorry, I should clarify, accepting that the front sight needs to literally be the exact same width as the rear sight notch to be visible under stress is bullshit.

Giant sights are for cops and other people that don't train or shoot past 10yds

>>33485352
I grew up on tiny blade sights from old revolvers so large ones are a relief for me, 10 yards is what most people expect to shoot so manufacturers just cater to that.

Don't think its 100% right and agree that they could stand a bit of thinning but thats the prevailing attitude

>>33485564
I don't mean to imply we should go back to GI blade sights, those suck for a whole lot of reasons, but front sights should be 2/3 the size they are currently

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>>33475993
>FBI bullseye test: Superman edition

Target is actual sized on the directions

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>>33485826
I'm fucking ready

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>>33484984
>why don't manufacturers make front sights thinner?

It's up to you to find the sights you want, not the manufacturer.

I would suggest getting a Dawson fiber optic front with a blacked out rear.

a good video pertaining to fiber optics by Mike Pannone.

https://youtu.be/kzSHXemDSm0?t=28

>>33485880
I have DP green fiber front and blacked out rear on my Shield, damn good sights. I have factory grern front blacked rear sights on my Sig as well.

Looks like my only option is going to be getting a gunsmiths blank front sight and file it myself then drill it for Trintium vials.

>>33481447
As someone forced to use the 12lb trigger, all I can ask is
WHY?

>>33482425
Glock 22 isn't used by NYPD. Either his department is equally retarded, or he is insane.

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Old thread died?

A/K/ gang going to the range tomorrow? I've been putting it off due to all the snow.

>>33486205
Tomorrow? Or Friday (today)?

>>33486225
Shit. Today.

IT'S 2am ALREADY?!

>>33486235
Lol, I'll be at RC at noonish, maybe 12:30. I'm not off work until 8am and I need to reload some 9mm for my roommate so he can try the FBI test.

>>33486243
Cool. I've got ammo and targets ready to go.

>>33486256
What guns are you bringing?

>>33486256
Found a box of .32 win, so maybe that for a long gun.

Model 66, TP9, Mak and Single six probably. I would like to shoot the FBI thing with the 66, but I don't have speed loaders and haven't practiced with them in many years.

>>33486275
Whoops. I just replied to myself.

See
>>33486285

>>33486285
I have a speed loader for my Dan Wesson that should work, I'll bring it. Have you tried using the Mak holster?

>>33486315
>Have you tried using the Mak holster?

I haven't carried it. It's very tight around the trigger, but I think that can be remedied easily enough. You also just reminded me to put some Wolf in the range box.

I have a neat commercial M1 carbine I should bring too. It's an awesome shooter.

>>33486331
Yeah, that's an easy fix with a lighter if you're not worried about appearance, sorry about that, I'm a retention nazi.

>>33486430
No sweat. Worst that can happen is a learn something about kydex.

>>33484874
Nice, may the gods bless your aim.

>>33484984
All my HKs have a pronounced 6 O'Clock hold at 25 yards - I'm talking it prints 6" higher than the flat of the to of the post - sight size hasn't been an issue for me.

>>33485826
That would be horrifying lol

>>33485880
Good link anon

>>33486205
Yeah I tried to keep it alive but...have to sleep occasionally. Hoping 290 bro reposts his target

>>33486243
>>33486256
You guys are pumping me up

>>33486875
>I'm talking it prints 6" higher than the flat of the to of the post - sight size hasn't been an issue for me.

I should clarify that that is with standard pressure 124 grain, basically to hit the black at 25 I put the flat of the post married up flush with the bottom of the 8.5x11 B8 repair center

>>33486875
>All my HKs have a pronounced 6 O'Clock hold at 25 yards - I'm talking it prints 6" higher than the flat of the to of the post
That's not standard for HK, are they aftermarket sights?

>>33486875
>You guys are pumping me up
Just wait until you see the targets. I'm Dan Wesson bro from a thread or two ago, and I have seen that guy shoot, if either of us score under instructor something went sideways.

>>33486889
Nope all factory - and yeah peeps always tell me they come from the factory with a on the dot hold, yet I have 5 HKs (4 shots 1 still NIB) and they all have a 6 O'clock hold

>>33486902
Noice m8 - I've been farming this test like crazy trying to pad my scores, but I'm literally stuck at 280, over the past 5 days I've scored 277, 278, 278, 277, 279

I will shoot myself into the poorhouse to keep every shot in the black, I got a month to go after it so.... fingers crossed

fml

>>33486889
>>33486976

Maybe for some reason with HK triggers I heel the gun - but I really doubt it, I've done multiple ball and dummies and everything looks good on the break (barring a bad shot on my part - which I can generally avoid with focus and slowfire)

>>33476024
How you like that p30?

>>33486986
I'm going to start off with a 2" barrel Taurus snubby before using my K-frame or my USP45 just to be an ass clown. Will post results (no matter how terrible) in the thread from the range.

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>>33487009
Love it friendo, so much that I bought a second one - LEM 4lyfe

>>33486889
Here's an illustration target is 8.5x11 - I have confirmed this hold on two P30L LEMs side by side - one with TRU DOTs and the other with Phosphorescent sights - both factory.

I haven't shot standard pressure 115 ball recently enough to remember the hold but I think I'll grab some WWB today just to satisfy my curiosity.

>>33487019
That's cool as fuck, godspeed

>>33487130
I ring an 18x26" steel with it at 100yds all day so I've got faith. Either way I'll see y'all in six or seven hours with results.

>>33487082
>I bought a second one
Oh FN guy, when will you learn...

>Joking, you're a funny goy and it's fun to bullshit with you.
That HK hold is fucking weird though, let us know how the 115 does

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>>33487221
Learning is 4 nerds m80

I guess I could be limp wristing on the slowfire shots allowing the ignition of the gasses to drive the muzzle up more than normal - but on my old FNS's CZ's M&P Steyr's etc etc etc I never experienced this, I DON'T UNDERSTAND

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>>33482425
>>33485930
Not forced to. I'm a firm beliver in having a stupid heavy trigger for my CCW. I like it personally.

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>>33487311
shieeet friendo, well if it works for you it works

>>33486205

Damn; I would but multiple job interviews today so I can be less of a NEET and get out to the range more/prepare for summer /k/amping.

Will have to shoot this target net time I head out though.

tfw you and your girlfriend were #1 target shooters on your schools team... feels good...

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I want to try with my Hi-Power but idk where exactly it hits. Looks like I'm going to be getting quite a bit of practice then...

>>33487515
Are you .40 short&weak bro?

>>33487567
Maybe?
Yes?
.40 P99 guy.

>>33487610
Ah, okay, I'm the guy that was smoking when you got to the range. Looking forward to a proper meet up whenever we can all get a day off.

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>>33487628
>Ah, okay, I'm the guy that was smoking when you got to the range
shit's bad for you senpai

no buly tho - smoke/tobacco free almost a year now after 15 years straight cranking the fuckers - hardest thing in the world to do is quit

>>33487527
good gun choice, she'll do her part if you do yours

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>>33487221
whelp won't be exploring WWB 115 POA/POI today as weather is being a slutbucket

Also the only LGS I give money to (non chain, fair pricing, friendly staff) had no wombo combo WWB so I bought this dangerous garbage distributed by Century Arms Int (gun Kaboom inbound)

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>>33481182
Is it me you're looking for?

>>33488987
Don't be a pussy man, that's perfect shooting weather.

Also, that stuff is literally Tulammo, check the head stamp.

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>>33489189
ayyyy das it mane

You are always welcome to repost your selected 3 in new iterations of these threads - in fact you are encouraged, by the end of the month the threads could be chock full of participation posts.

Also still jelly of you, I keep shooting 277-279, can't break 280, but I have 30 days to force all those fuckers into the black.

>>33489335
but
>muh targets
they would be mush

also it decided to turn to FUCKING SNOW

>Also, that stuff is literally Tulammo, check the head stamp.

yay gunpowder that smells like brimstone and farts

>>33489355
Try taking some practice shots on another target before you start. I find my Beretta needs an almost 6 o'clock hold at 25 but almost point of aim at 15.

I'll try again again maybe Monday morning when my range is dead. I don't know if I can do that again but it's certainly worth a try

>>33489588
>Try taking some practice shots on another target before you start.

Oh believe me, I do that for sure. 10 shots at 25 cold is hard for me - to put it mildly

I've been dealing with a pronounced 6 O'clock hold, not the end of the world but definitely interdasting

see: >>33487082 >>33487289

>>33485826
>>33475993
My dumbass thought that was what the objective was. On the other side of that coin, I'm a decent enough shot that I thought I had a decent chance to do it

>>33475994
>>33475993
y'all got that in metric

i'm going to the range come sunday and want to try this but printer is euro

or at least tell me what diameter the rings have so I can use a comparable target

>>33489613
I find my biggest problem is the muzzle on my barrel rests at about 3 o'clock under the slide. I haven't gotten around to having my sights adjusted for that so I'm thinking that's why my group was off to the right.

What do you shoot by the way?

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Nvm, found a pdf of A4 target, will post results in 48 hours

>>33489723
nice euroanon

>>33489722
P30L LEM pictured throughout the thread

>>33485826
>tfw given a big fat stack of 6"x6" bullseyes for rifle sight-in for free
>tfw been using them to practice precision with a pistol at 50ft
With my good target pistols I can usually run 75-80/100 at 50 feet, which is "official" NRA Bullseye distance on those targets.

>>33490094
not tryin to be disparaging but 6" target at a touch over 15 yards is pretty meh tier certainly better than most normies and folks here tho

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>>33475993
Not off to the best start.....

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>>33490971
But I have this reflex sight from 1947 so it's not a bad day.

>Nydar model 47

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>>33475993
I'm trying this tomorrow with pic related. The rules say 10 rounds in 4min and I have never tried shooting slow fire within a timeframe like that. Guys that have done this already: what's your average time to complete this?

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>>33490971
Next group, tape is covering .45acp holes from bored shooting while waiting for cold range, and I have a witness to the fact.

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>>33490196
I meant the entire target is 6x6. Pic related, 9mm for scale.

Yes I know they're not an official target.

>>33490971
>>33491390

Did you shoot from double action? p damn nice man, especially because you seem to have not practiced it much, I'm impressed.

>>33491854
Right on, that looks like it could be very challenging anon.

>>33491248
Nice anon excited for your contribution, I usually take 120-200 seconds, reholstering after most every shot to return grip strength to 100%, if after a shot I feel 100% or even invigorated I'll break the next one.

>>33492068
It's challenging as fuck m8. I've never shot a perfect score on it.

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>>33492144
I agree, I think a few anons are going to be surprised with their scores, one of the few law enforcement tests I've found that can be intimidating at times.

>>33489722
Maybe you are just giving it a little too much thumb? I often do that, but heck you're the one running the gun shooting a 290 so I'll stfu

>>33488987
>>33487221

Weather stopped being a jerk and I got out and tested some more...

Not my best groups ever but I think they're indicative of the POA/POI. You will notice the crudely drawn sights on the target indicating the sight picture. The white decals are 5" tall exactly. Note the relation between the POA and the B8 center.

Last pic is the creepy rock that looks like a guy sitting and watching me shoot.

Shot a terrible 267 on the qualifier after doing the quick test, def not using one of my best of 3 to show it off.

Looking forward to the weekend crew dropping some targets for us.

>>33492236
This guy
>>33491854
again. I shoot NRA Bullseye at the club level (we have 2 leagues so we're shooting year-round), and I HAVE shot perfect scores on official targets (which are a fuckload bigger than my little freebies). It's rare, but I do it. I ended last Winter League with a 94.2/100 average across 300 targets for NRA Slow Fire and a 95.0/100 across 150 targets for NRA Combat Handgun. I didn't even place top 10 out of ~60 shooters in either league, and the guy that won Combat did so with 150 straight perfect scores (100/10x). He's old, morbidly obese, and an uncontrolled diabetic but you stick a Police Positive in his hand and he becomes made of stone.
>tfw he takes powderpuff loads to a new level
>tfw we awarded his trophy with a target with a bunch of wadcutters superglued to it as a barb against his beyond-anemic handloads

>>33492322
You are def a more experienced and better shooter than me dude.

Got any thoughts on my 5"-6" 6 O'Clock hold thing going on in the above post? I mean I guess it's possible I'm heeling that consistently, but I don't do that with any other trigger system. Also on the "timed" and "rapid" fire parts at 15 yards I KNOW I'm exerting counterforce timed with the recoil of the gun and it's still a fairly pronounced 6 O'clock hold.

Is it possible it's my eyes? I've had a buddy who is a naturally talented shooter say he didn't have the same hold as me.

>>33492417
A couple things.
1. HK pistols are "combat zeroed" at the factory with 124gr NATO-spec ammo for 25 meters. You're gonna hit high closer than that, but it shouldn't be THAT pronounced
2. You have the wrong height front sight
3. You are getting improper sight alignment

I use target pistols with LPA adjustable rears, so if I were hitting that high consistently I'd simply crank my sights down.

>>33492453

I have two copies of the pistol with different factory sights and the same printing patterns, I'm so confused. I'll prob just look into some aftermarket sights down the road, for the moment it's a slight inconvenience but I can deal.

>>33491035
rabbit creek?

>>33492453
OK yeah that's bizarre then. Your groups are too consistent to really be heeling the gun significantly IMO.

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>>33492498
Yep

>>33492068
>Did you shoot from double action? p damn nice man, especially because you seem to have not practiced it much, I'm impressed.
Yeah, single action at 25yds and DA at 15, the S&W sticks a bit in DA and it was causing me issues.

>>33492236
Hey man, I just finished shooting my USP45 at 50yds, my new Trijicon sights are definitely a 6'o clock hold.

>50yds
>230gr ball .45acp
>Center hold with tip of sight
>20 rounds. Yes I pulled quite a few (6 or 7) shots, no I'm not proud of it.

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>>33492669
>Canik L120 (CZ75 clone that cos $275)
>50yds
>10 rounds of Wolf steel case 115gr
>Pulled two shots

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>>33492669
>Hey man, I just finished shooting my USP45 at 50yds, my new Trijicon sights are definitely a 6'o clock hold.

I would hope at 50 yards I would have passed the parabolic arc of the round and it would start to print lower than this 5"/6" hold over I'm having at 25, guess I have new testing to do...

Man at 50 yards that target must have felt sized for ants sir.

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>>33491390
Posting up my 287. Comes out to about $1 per point in gun costs.

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>>33489189
>Only one outside black
>M9A1

I doubt I will do anywhere near as good as you.

>>33492637

I'm def gonna chalk it up to a "me issue" not a hardware issue - just no idea how to solve it...Probably will band aid the issue with a taller front sight post, thanks for the input.

>>33492728
fuckin sweet dude, that's the 2nd highest score offered up so far and you beat your wheel guns out, noice.

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>>33492790
He's a different guy, I'm wheelie guns guy, we were shooting at the range together. I'm a little sore in the ego he kicked my ass lol.

>>33492720
>Man at 50 yards that target must have felt sized for ants
Yeah, behind those fuck massive USP sights it was a real chore

>MFW I left a gift on the target stand for thhe next guy

>>33492322
>tfw he takes powderpuff loads to a new level

This is why my club uses IPSC power factor requirements and chronographs everyone.

Fuds shooting anemic loads out of 8" revolvers, ruins competitive spirit

>>33492844
Ahh I assumed because of the similar handwriting and pen. You guys are quite the team.

was the hundo incentive to not flinch on shots?

>>33492867
I actually wrote on both of our targets lol.

Just to fuck with the next guy to grab my target stand

>>33492855
It's slow-fire, recoil recovery plays approximately no part in our competitions. It's pure accuracy.

>>33492918

You AK folks are always welcome in these threads, high % contributors I tell ya what

>>33492930
reduced recoil allows you to concentrate less on anticipating the shot and focus more on sight picture, it's def an advantage over full power loads

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>>33492932
Thanks, we try. I'm still sore about my preformance with the revolvers. I need to figure out which pistol will help push me to that magic 300

>>33493148
does it need to be said?

1
9
1
1

work that crutch trigger and razzle dazzle /k/

jeez I'm hoping all you skilled guys don't scare the general audience out, the bar has been set p high already kek

>>33493167
1911 has fat sights, Dan Wesson might be best, Calico L100p would be hilarious

>>33493167
>jeez I'm hoping all you skilled guys don't scare the general audience out, the bar has been set p high already kek

Hey, we're not that good, we're under 300!

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>>33493187
I await your final show stopper sir.

>>33493255
kek tfw /k/ autists mop the floor with FBI standards

>mfw gun is less than 1 month old and looks like a whores roast beastie

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>>33492736
I'm the anon with the Canik. I still have a few tricks up my sleeve and team A/K/ will beat that 290.

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>>33493294
>tfw /k/ autists mop the floor with FBI standards

Lol, seriously

>Canik bro and I are scoring targets
>"What was the score for instructor?"
>"260?"
>Our faces when

>>33493785
The more modern fbi qual with the Q targets is a joke compared to this one, which is actually challenging and enjoyable.

my range officers are faggots who wont let you shot more than 1 shot every 3 seconds, its impossible to do this test

>>33493744
be careful 290 has 2 more posts left he might come back swinging kek - I love this tho I hope we can get more peeps involved

>>33493785
Did you guys take most of your time or shoot at a natural pace? I naturally shoot bullseye groups ultra slow and "break should come as a surprise" but when I get to the 15 yard line all 4 strings are done in 6-8 seconds - I also fuck up a bunch at this range, it's the place I'm working on improving right now.

>>33493827
Talk to them personally, print out and show the standards - they must be a little reasonable, it's not like your asking to draw from junk carry and break a sub 1 second shot

>>33493844
>Did you guys take most of your time or shoot at a natural pace?
I shot on average 2:09 at 25yds and 0:10-0:07 at 15yds with my double action revolvers

>>33493822
Do you have an example? I'm having fun shooting
>"The qualification that killed 10mm"

>>33493822
>>33493908

I believe the "modern" qualifier is a draw-from-concealment type thing, the bullseye still exists but has been displaced by it mostly. I don't know 100% not a suit.

Not sure if this is the right one - but I had to sort through google results to find the "bullseye" qual which is what I thought we could utilize the most at first.

https://www.usacarry.com/new-fbi-qualification-course/

>>33493896
Damn your pace is real close to mine, a bit more deliberate at the 15 yard line, def the area I need to farm, thanks senpai

I might not ever catch you guys but I'll keep chasing and stay proportionally close (I hope)

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>>33493937
>Any hits inside the target area count
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!! FAGGOTS

>>33493946
What's your target look like again? It's been a long 32 hour day
>Sleep might help my score come to think of it lol

>>33493986
Erm, whelp it's >>33476024

I have some 278/279s that "look" nicer, worst I've shot so far was today (kek 267)

I'm gonna farm all month and chase you guys down - I might not have the talent but I'm a turbo autist.

I'm also the guy grilling you for advice on my hold over issue.

>>33493975
I might have provided a bad link anon, but yes like most things - it's getting simpler and easier over time

>>33493908
I shot it several times with the Social Security Administration in the early 2000s. Yes, they have armed agents. They even train at Quantico to "federal agency" standards.

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>>33489707
You still need metric?

>x ring
42mm

>10 ring
85mm

>9 ring
140mm

>8 ring
203mm

>7 ring
277mm

>>33494204
dude...this is a 11/10 post

/k/ needs more gentlemen of such distinction

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Who here /casinodrill/?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97v3JoMhjkg

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>>33494248
Just doing my civic duty.

>Now it's bath time
>Brushy brushy brushy

>>33494388
Civic duty by bumping the only thread about actual shooting on the board.

Seconded.

>>33494354
That's a sweet candidate for a DOTW - only prob I see is hard to cheaply access the target - we are all scum of the earth autists here targets gotta be simple kek.

What's the original target size and distance? I will proportionally adjust for a 8.5x11 and proportionally adjust the range too.

Also there are folks who cannot draw at their range and we need to establish handicaps or whatever

>>33494420
>cannot draw at their range and we need to establish handicaps or whatever

Maybe just have the gun on the bench, safety on hands on head, then "draw" on the timer.

>>33494420
That target is probably set up for 8.5x11 by the looks of it, probably from pistol-training.com

>>33494419
That reminds me

>After shooting session today
>Putting away target stand
>Young urban youth asks if he can use my stand since I'm done with it
>Sure
>He sets up in the lane next to me while I pack
>Waiting for a hi-point problem solver
>Fucking G43 and a very nice IWBA holster
>One target and one box of lawman 9mm
>nope.jpg this shall not do
>"Excuse me, I don't mean to imply anything by this, but, are you a new shooter?"
>Oh.. uh.. yeah.
>Hey, have som extra targets, it's hard to track progress with fifty holes in one sheet of paper
>Give him at least twenty five diamond zeroing rargets
>Is that all the ammo you brought? Here, it's not great but it's free
>Fist full of 9mm
>Is it okay if I give you a few quick pointers I wish someone had given me starting out?
>"yeah! Sure"
>Proceed to explain dry fire, how to check and clear a firearm, importance of checking the chamber because extractors can fail to remove rounds from the gun, how extractors work, how low left shots indicate a flinch and why/what/how of the flinch, answer his questions on the slide stop/release, suggest shooting sports foundation youtube channel, how dry fire can combat flinching, talk to him about my USP45 vs his Glock 43, etc...
>Pack up and leave, get to car and realize I forgot to tell him about limp wristing
>Run back smoking an American Spirit and tell him about stove pipes and limp wristing
>"So if that happens it's my fault not my gun?"
>"Usually, yeah"
>Kid was incredibly receptive and polite the whole time

Good kid, I wish him well

>>33494508
>usp45 vs g23
>ohboy.jpeg

other than that, good on you for being an helpful bigger bro to a new shooter.

>>33494508
If you watch the youtube link it looks like 2'x3' or some such with an unspecified range, lil loosey goosey for me - hopefully someone familiarized can chime in.

>>33494540
fuck *g43

>>33494497
that's a damned fine compromise and I'm down

really make dem strong side carriers mad too

>but muh bench is faster that muh strong side..

whelp AIWB is faster than both so......

>>33494540
I was just explaining the difference in size and capacity (15+1 vs 6+1), what the trade offs are, and explaining that bigger heavier guns help reduce felt recoil.

I taught a guys girlfriend to shoot better than him in ten minutes a couple of weeks ago, she keeps the target on their fridge apparently
>He thanked me the next week when I saw him at the range

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>>33494609
pic related

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>>33494641
You take that back! She's a nice lady!

Oh, shit, another story from after the range today

>Helping Roommate sell tricked out 10/22
>Guy drives in from the valley to buy it
>Deal is done, standing around smoking and joking
>"So did you boys bring any guns in case I tried to rob you?!"
(He is a crazy skinny red/orange/white bearded redneck)
>Roommate is totally taken off guard, doesn't know how to respond
>I immediately reply with "Hell yes, I brought two!"
>Guy interpreted my roommates reaction as a 'no' and asks him why the fuck not, then shows us his Sig P938 he was appendix carrying
>Crazy fucker hands it to me to inspect
>Compliment his gun and show him my USP45 on my hip and tell him about the 230gr .45 super I carry
>He's converting a Ruger 1911 to .46 Rowland
>Good times had by all, head into bass pro shop to look for targets
(That's where I got the targets in >>33494204 )

>TFW my day started with >>33490971 and ended with crazy redneck handing me cash and his carry gun
>TFW Alaska

>>33494699
Should clarify, my roommate WAS carrying, G17 Gen4 and three mags full of 124gr HST's lol

>>33492719
How do you think you would've done with my Pre B?

>>33495016
Meh, it's up in the air. I want to try with my .32 FEG

>>33494565
>but muh bench is faster that muh strong side..
Bull fucking shit m80, I'll take that bet

>>33494420
This is how A/K/ functions. We shoot. We help people. We assist each other. I'm actually glad to be a part of it.

>>33495403
Did you mean to respond to another post?

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>>33494204
I found some yesterday evening but you're cool for measuring anyway.

Actually shooting /k/ is best /k/

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>>33494354
who here DOT torture?

>>33495465
Yep.

Meant for:
>>33494699

>>33495615
That is our may DOTM

>>33495581

Actually shooting /k/ is best /k/

Absolutely, the waves of noguns trash have no interest or business posting in these threads, they are much slower threads but much more content rich and filled with helping, knowledge sharing and participation. And we can still joke around and not be uptight like every other gun place on the web

>>33495354
>Bull fucking shit m80, I'll take that bet

let me clarify - for you your strong side draws is def faster most likely than off the table, hebbian plasticity and what not.

But if we are talking raw movement efficiency - an exposed gun on a table inches from your main hand vs a gun under a layer of clothing off the side of your body, there is less required movement to access the gun directly in front of you. There is even less required movement to access your junk carry gun.

Is that a fair way of explaining it?

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anyone going to shoot this today?

Well, my polymer guide rod is busted so my SD9VE is out of action for a few weeks.

Any tips on helping flinching?

At 10 yards my groups are three to six inches to the left and two to four inches low.

>>33497263
Simple cure for flinching, dry fire twice or three times as much as you live fire. It will reinforce a synaptic path of pulling the trigger that doesn't include recoil so you trick your body into being unable to tell the difference between dry fire and live fire until the bullet is on its way.

Ill post a target shooting guide I wrote for my friend in the next three posts, it won't apply 1/1 to you and I'm sorry for that, but I'm trying to sleep and editing it on a phone is a pain in my ass.

>>33497263
This was written for a friend to address specific issues he was having shooting his commander length 1911, it will have stuff that may not apply to you, again sorry but I'm literally copy-pasting

>Set target at chosen distance, you should bring it back to 10yds to start if your range will allow

>Make ready with an EMPTY gun, no ammo in magazine or chamber

>Set the gun down, it's only a distraction right now

>Square up with the target, shoulders slightly in front of hips, feet pointed forward, no angle to your body
If you could draw a line from your left hip to the target, and your right hip to the target they would be exactly the same length

>At this point I like to kick big rocks and uncomfortable crap out from under my boots so I'm standing nice and flat
>From this point on you don't take any steps out of position

>Take a breath, relax, pick up pistol, check that it is empty, point it at the ground, close your eyes.

>With your eyes closed get a good solid thumbs forward grip on the pistol, make sure it's deep in your palm
>With your eyes closed lift the pistol until you are comfortable and feel like it is centered in a good even stance (NO WEAVER!!!!)

>Once you feel comfortable, don't feel any tension in your core or shoulders, and think you're straight on open your eyes

>You will probably be aiming left or right of the target

>Lower the pistol, shift ONE foot forward or back, it takes less than an inch of movement most of the time so don't over do it.
If you move your right foot forward, you will aim further to the left, left foot forward further to the right, reverse is also true, right back aims right, left back aims left

>Once you have made a tiny correction close your eyes, get comfortable, no tension, lift pistol, breathe, open eyes

>Repeat as needed until you are on target (being a little high or low is okay)

>You now have your natural point of aim DO NOT MOVE YOUR FEET for the rest of the shooting session with this target

>>33497467
>Ensure pistol is empty and hammer is back, lift pistol to eye level, do not lower your head to find the sights, lift the sights to your eye

>Focus on the front sight, see some detail, now ensure that the top of the front sight and the top of the rear sight are perfectly level, place the tip of the front sight in the middle of the bullseye
(You may need to switch focus between the front sight, rear sight, and target to do this, that is okay)

>Once everything is aligned switch focus exclusively to the front sight

>While focusing on the front sight, place your finger on the trigger, use your peripheral vision to ensure target and rear sight are still in the proper location, ensure top of sights are even and level, ensure front sight is centered in rear notch

>Begin dry fire, focus on front sight, slowly press trigger to the rear like a button, ignore the trigger pull and focus instead on the front sight, is it moving? Then make it stop, a steady front sight is your only goal as you press the trigger
(Note: some involuntary muscle tremors are going to happen, do not over correct, treat it like steering a car going 70)

>Keep focus on front sight, keep it steady, keep pressing trigger, continue until you dry fire and the hamner falls, now KEEP PRESSING, you should hold the trigger to the rear for a second, do not move. Keep focus on the front sight, did it move? If it did, why?

>Take a breath, slowly let trigger forward only after you exhale

>If your sights moved figure out why and fix yourself

>Cock hammer, aim at target, do it again

>Do this a minimum of five times, make sure your front sight is rock solid steady

>>33497263
http://pistol-training.com/drills/ball-dummy-drill

while you are shooting repeat in your head "press the trigger to the rear" while pressing slowly

>>33497472
>You are now ready to shoot, without moving your feet load five rounds into the pistol

>Return to position, gun liaded, safety on, eyes closed. Take a breath.

>Lift pistol, open eyes, align sights, focus on front sight, disengage safety, focus on front sight, press trigger, don't move your sights

>*BANG*

>Hold trigger to the rear, let recoil do its thing, hold trigger to the rear, return focus to front sight, breathe.

>Slowly let trigger out to reset, once you feel/hear the click stop

>Lift pistol

>Focus on front sight

>Begin trigger press

Do that for all five rounds. When gun is empty repeat dry fire cycle a minimum of five times before reloading, remember to breathe.
If you are getting a fantastically tight and consistent group but it's high/low left/right it's your sights, don't try to aim off target to hit the bullseye, you will get a worse group, just shoot at the bullseye and fix your sights later

>>33497507
Think of it like this, you are a biomechanical tripod for supporting the gun, stop getting in its way and you will see what it can really do. You will be suprised how accurate the thing is

Alright, that's it, sorry for the string of posts clogging up the thread. The info may not work fof you, and someone will come in and poke holes in mh methodology for sure, but that's what I got for new shooters looking to shoot a group.

>>33493744
290 anon here, excited to see your score, you can do it!
>>33493844
Won't be able to do anymore until Monday or Tuesday

>>33493896
290 anon here, the 25yds I took about 2 minutes, the first stage at 15 i took about 11 to 12 seconds, the final stage I took about 9 seconds, just enough time to put down the gun and stop the timer on my phone before it goes off

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>>33497530
>>33497507
>>33497472
>>33497467
Before any of the really experienced shooters start tearing this apart, this is for a BEGINNER, to give them somewhere to start so they aren't fumbling around in the dark looking for a light switch.
Yes if you shoot 16,000 rounds every few months you will hsve other systems figured out that work for you, but this is for Johnny slack jaw still trying to get groups under dinner plate size.

>>33497584
The other member of teal A/k/ here, we're coming motherfucker, we're coming for that score.
>I still haven't used my competition or carry guns yet

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>>33497689
A/k/ vs NC/k/? Any other NC /k/ommandos here?

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Lowly NM here, it's fucking SNOWING again. Still gonna try and get out today. Gonna shoot with my lightweight set up to mix things up.

>>33497978
Wow.. you really do have autism. No wonder customer service told you to get fucked holy shit, I can inly imagine how that phone call went

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>>33497791
MT /k/ lurking till I go turn my printer on and load mags

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>>33494508
gj anon, healing the countries racial barriers one youth at a time

>>33498336
They actually called back to apologize and suggest I buy a new gun because if I continued to shoot the old frame I would experience additional failures. We settled on them dumpstering the gun FWIW.

And yeah I do have autism.

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Well gents I was doing 5 shots groups confirming my POA-POI in an attempt to farm and pad my numbers on this test, I matched my previous personal best with my old FNS-9L of 3" at 25 yards, well I still couldn't farm this bullseye qualifier - it's really well designed, I cannot escape 277-279.

Fun side note, like every time I broke a shot I heard a gobble, after 3 strings of 5 I went to the targets to tape and this fucker almost ambushed me, he was watching me shoot I guess? He didn't like being discovered and hauled ass.

>>33499707
Not him but it only took me looking at you and quoted to realize youre FNS guy. atleast you finally admitted it man that's the first step.

If it makes you feel any better atleast your suffering has convinced me and many others to avoid FN products in the future cuz lol 2,000 round manufacturer service intervals

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>>33500027
whelp since I'm anon it would be hard to link, but I freely admit to my high functioning atypical autism in many /k/ threads.

Thing is for weeks I wasn't comfortable talking about the issue because I pissed off some insane guy one night (bragging drunk about muh shootan skillz) and he doxed me and stalked me for weeks, also he was the one using my old youtube channel name as a trip and talking shit, then dropping my personal info afterwards, very well coordinated attacks TBQH.

I still don't understand why my personality was such a front and center issue other than the clever manipulation of the rusemaster.

Either way yeah, if you shoot a lot don't buy FN pistols, I was told in so many words that mine was past its shelf life at 16k rounds. Very well designed, still feel weaker with muh HKs, but unacceptable r maintenance schedules and shelf life.

>>33500091
Opsec is super important, bro.

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>>33500091
>if you shoot a lot don't buy FN pistols
This is why I'm pimping the USP

>>33500108
Yeah my youtube channel had existed before google's fucktarded "everything is one" transition and I had personal deets up - figured I'm a nobody poorfag and lazy so who cares, never fixed it. I paid for that, I'm a dumbfuck.

but back on topic here, hoping we had some fresh shooters today! Not dropping a target because still trying to farm for my last 2 posts.

>>33475994
It can be understandably difficult to get rounds on paper...

>>33500180
No doubt - I've bunked more than a couple runs because of an errant trigger pull - that said you have a whole month and 3 posts! establish a personal benchmark and go from there!

I'll probably never catch the guys fighting over the 290 + but I'll be damned if I won't try for it.

>>33500151
Basically I don't really care about brands much anymore - I'm entirely focused on training, I consider glock and HK about the only acceptable brands for my needs. Glock has a weird grip angle and I'm a hipster so I defaulted to HK, even if they've always been harder for me to tame. (first gat ever was a police trade in USP 40, I have come full circle)

disclaimer - this isn't to shit talk other brands, quite the opposite, gear wars bore me, get down like a clown in party town with what you like and fuck everyone's opinions.

>>33500266
Yeah, my choice of the USP45 is based on location, in AK I can just switch magazines and use the same gun for city/woods loafing. Just carry 230gr hollowpoints in .45 super in the city and 255gr hard cast in the field.

>>33499980
Hey, while we wait on the rest of the month to play out let's do some other sporadic stuff on range day.

How's your 50yd game?

>>33500383
That's a p baller setup a/k/ bro

are you gonna run the DOTM with it? is that one of the aces up your sleeve? Stock USP triggers are nightmare fuel for me to bullseye with - great fighting/practical triggers, but they punish me hard slowfire.

>>33500493
fucking dogshit, did two 5 round strings at 50 to try and figure out if I had passed the parabolic arc on this 124 grain ammo - looks like hold over is about the same? hard to say because i'm making errant windage shots (getting like 2-3 on the cardboard) - pushing lil left mostly, I'll try again tomorrow with a USPSA target so I can track better.

Pistol league guy here. Taking my bullseye 1911 to the varmint shoot tomorrow, will give it a try if I get time before or after the shoot.
>tfw no shot timer
Ehh

>>33500790
Phones have good enough times for par time stuff like this

forgive me, but how are you in a pistol league and don't own a shot timer? Is it like all 1 handed bullseye stuff?

>>33500816
Yeah, I primarily shoot NRA bullseye (slow, timed, rapid fire). I also do the NRA combat handgun stuff (still bullseye) but for all the disciplines the entire line is timed by the RO. Haven't done any action shooting in years.

>>33500844

Have you shot this qualifier before in a formal setting? What are your scores like?

Have you shot it personally as a benchmark before?

Do you do it freestyle or strong handed if so?

Must be nice to have a thriving community to shoot with.

Even if I had one, I'd be agitated as fuck by the environment and probably put up terrible scores because of the crowds

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>>33500790
Fuck it, I'll trim the sights on one of my 1911s just to have a semi auto for shooting at 300/300
>Still feels like cheating though

>>33500569
I put a super heavy trigger spring in this one, 7.5lb trigger. It's a great shooter but the sights and trigger are not meant for bullseye.
See >>33492669 for what I did at 50 yards with it standing unsupported.

>>33500595
Well fuck man, you and me, lets try this FBI Qual but instead of 25 and 15 yards as the distance let's use 50 and 25!

This is my 50yd preformance with my 2" J-frame clone lol, you can beat that

>>33500902
I've not shot it before. My normal bullseye targets are in the 94-96,7-8x/100 range at 50 feet. I actually do best on timed fire and worst on slow fire, I get in my own head. I'm not really competitive with this crowd, there are some EXTREMELY good shooters here. Like, full season running 100/10x. I didn't even place in top 10 for this last winter league and I've never placed higher than third (and third only twice, both years with a 96/8x average, I think one year I had a 14411 aggregate and the other year I had a 14399 aggregate).

I'm required to shoot strong hand only by NRA rules, except in Combat, which is required Weaver or Isoscles.

League here is pretty informal, and I'm the youngest shooter by nearly 40 years. Bunch of old guys, and we all get along really well. League is Tuesday and Thursday evenings from 7:30pm to 9:30pm, and while we typically have about 60 competitors rarely do we have any more than 20 there at any one time (15 lanes). It's pretty fun. We run a summer and winter league, which run March-September and October-February respectively. Full season is 150 targets, and most people shoot in several divisions. I personally shoot rimfire irons, centerfire irons, and centerfire scoped (red dot) with a MkIII Hunter, homebrew 1911, and Smith 629 respectively.

>>33501010
>and I'm the youngest shooter by nearly 40 years
Forgot to mention I'm also in my mid-30's.

>>33475993
do you start with the weapon holstered?
i assume so but want to make sure.

>>33501118
No, low ready. Us A/k/ guys were going "Gun in hand, safety on, muzzle on table"

>>33501128
ok, thanks

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>>33500997
>Well fuck man, you and me, lets try this FBI Qual but instead of 25 and 15 yards as the distance let's use 50 and 25!

I am absolutely down - but I'm going to need to grab a 4'x4' piece of cardboard from work because I cannot stand not tracking a shot kek, so I can run the hyper FBI bullseye qual monday or later -weather and feels dependent.

And no...no I won't beat your snubby score kek.

Totally confident in my carry gun with all things practical shooting related, but clearly - I'm not in tune with it for slowfire, given the insane discrepancy in hold over I'm somehow creating with my trigger press.

pic related, feels of the past

>>33501010
>I've not shot it before. My normal bullseye targets are in the 94-96,7-8x/100 range at 50 feet

I'm a hermit autist I have no idea what that means kek

L>League here is pretty informal, and I'm the youngest shooter by nearly 40 years. Bunch of old guys,

That is the local crowd here and a big detriment to my effort to get involved

> I personally shoot rimfire irons, centerfire irons, and centerfire scoped (red dot) with a MkIII Hunter, homebrew 1911, and Smith 629 respectively.

You are a shooters shooter, very respectable, our interest are adjacent though for sure

>>33501206
Ok. Best possible score is 100/10x, which means all 10 shots are in the X ring. My average is between a 94 and 96, with 7-8 of those hits being X ring. Means I shoot really well then pull one out to the 7 ring almost every damn time.

I've been shooting with the same crowd since I was a preteen, I guess I've just gotten used to it. It's a small town with a private gun club, only one for quite some distance so we pull members from about a 200 mile radius. They have an open-to-public event pretty much every single Sunday, rotates between trap, shit like the varmint shoots, handgun bowling, buffalo shoots, Steel Challenge, Cowboy Action, etc.

One of my favorites is our buffalo shoots. 200 yard, 3-position shoot on full-size silhouettes using anything rimmed. Since I collect antique Winchesters it really tickles my pickle to knock shit down with a 120+ year old rifle.

>>33501307
Is the target a B8?

Over 15 yards with that score on a B8 is nice anon - whoops my ass, can't wait to see your FBI qual stuff. I'm impressed with the skill level of you folks, I guess the retarded tourists don't have much business in these threads so we are getting a refined sample pool, but still...

>>33500180
think about it like this - even if you shit the bed on a bunch of shots at the 25 yard line...you only need 200 to pass, so if you even salvage 2-4 shots you have a decent window to work the 15 yard line and stay in the game, be optimistic! shoot until you complete a run - do your score, maybe don't burn one of your PB posts but, now you can move forward anon.

if you are having trouble communicate with the peeps here, knowledge is power

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>>33501488
>>33500227
Guys... he was making a joke, he was replying to a blank target amd implying OP missed every shot.

>>33501171
I only have time and money to hit the range on Friday, so until then you can practice against me lol

I'll be using my
>USP45
>M92s
>Taurus 85 2"
>Dan Wesson 15-2 8"
>1911 (If I have time to remove the sights and file them to my desired dimensions)
Should be fun. If the range isn't too busy I'll put up a B27 at 100yds and wreck its shit with my USP or my 1911

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>>33501720

Calling you a worthy adversary would be a misnomer, you are a gentlemen and I appreciate your participation in the lunacy here. I hope one day to have your bullseye skills, but given my sensitivity to light, tactile sensation and sound I highly doubt I'll catch up.

>dat long list of gats

you are comfortable and aware of the hold overs for all of those? I'm fuckin terrified m8

To expand on something you mentioned earlier - I'd love to run a side by side sets of drills, one catch-all and accessible and one DIY stuff with less restrictions...just wish the community was as interdasted.

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>>33501860
>you are comfortable and aware of the hold overs for all of those?

>USP45
Top of sight center of target will produce 1" high at 25yds
>M92s
Same hold will produce 2-3" high
>Taurus 85 2"
POA/POI
>Dan Wesson 15-2 8"
POA/POI
>1911
POA/POI

I never shoot less than three guns on a range trip, my goal is to be comparably skilled with every gun in the world lol, I shoot black powder as well with my pair of 1858 reproductions. My only weakness is long range rifle and shotguns

>This is usually what my shooting bench looks like

>>33501860
>given my sensitivity to light, tactile sensation and sound I highly doubt I'll catch up.
Dry fire, I know you do it a lot but ou need to do it more. Also, what is your primary earpro? Do you double up? You should get a suppressor.

I like the idea of two parallel drills, maybe just pick the drill of the month and then modify it for "hard mode"? I'm still just trying to farm a 300 on the current target lol

>>33501377
50ft target is a B6

>>33501964
Question, anon. Do you carry two or more handgats in that pelican?

Is it worth it? I'd like to develop a pistol-only case for my two. Both guns, all their mags and all the shit I need to maintain them.

>>33502192
It's not a pelican, it's a "4 pistol hardcase" from bass pro, cost me $15
I usually cram 6+ guns in it because it has two layers of foam, one is that pre scored foam you pick out to make cystom shaped recesses for guns and ammo.
For the price you really can't go wrong, but a Pelican or one of those Plano(sp?) All weather pistol cases would look much nicer.

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That's a lot farther than I remember... I really shouldn't have put the targets so close together...

>>33502431
Distance?

>>33501964
we are both pistol shooting enthusiasts yet both on opposite sides of the mental and physical spectrum, p neat honestly.

def gonna rock your 50/25 FBIbull ASAP, beyond that I'll keep farming and mebbe catch up to you leader-board types by the end of the month for the designated standards. (unlikely but that said 5 days ago I had not ever shot a group with a P30L now I have a 3" at 25 yard-r, fear me rawr kek)

Also YES let's do a SxS thing - one that's active and dynamic, I don't want to just arbitrarily have you and me decide though - let's get everyone brainstorming on this.

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>>33502559
That's our 25 yard line...

I pull my M&P9c to right, Shield to the left, and the only way I could pass the damn test would be to cheat and use my sub2000... Also we don't have a 15 yard so I just did the 50ft range...

>>33502748
Dude ease up on yourself, first of all, with a full sized gun you qualified instructor, which as an FBI type you would have a full sized gun...so chew on that.

Secondly you had an extra 1.5 yard disadvantage for 66% of your shots.

Thirdly - there are like 30 anons who have tried this and haven't posted a single pic, because they read the rules and thought it would be a cake walk, but were not prepared to be honest about the results.

Only thing else I can add is - well damn now you have some real feedback on what you need to do to master your EDC gear, also that's ONE post - you now have a bar set, time to farm and raise it, plenty of time, see you at the top!

>>33502748
>>33502826

Oh snap - brain fart on my part, yeah a kel-tec sub2000 is probably not a great metric to work off of, but every other point still stands!

>>33502099
>Dry fire, I know you do it a lot but ou need to do it more

shaddap nerd let me relax sometime...

j/k you are right sir, time to double - slash that triple down.

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>>33502712
>yet both on opposite sides of the mental and physical spectrum

Literally too, I'm 6'4" 273lbs and you look a lot more scrawny lol
You'll catch up fast, we have the rest of the month to do this, there will be a lot of people shooting above instructor by the end.

I find it fucking hilarious how everyone that really buckled down is shooting the FBI standards to pieces btw.

Any ideas for the SxS? I can't draw from my holster at the local range but I can do speed reloads and rapid fire.

>>33502748
Are you getting a natural POA? can you describe your shooting process to me? Maybe I can help.
Refer to
>>33497467
>>33497472
>>33497507
For general suggestions.

Look at it this way
>You scored higher than everyone who didn't shoot this test (So 90% of /k/)
>You now have a base line to measure your progress on
>You are obviously pushing yourself, and that's whete improvement happenens

So you're doing fucking great!

>>33475993
>Patch thread needs to be restarted multiple times a day due to bump limit
>Same with gear queer and /ARG/ shitposting
>Almost every thread in the catalog is about stupid bullshit
>The ONE FUCKING THREAD about actually nutting up and shooting your guns on the clock with a scored target is on life support with 35 people posting over 200 times to keep it bumped.

>>33502748
You're fucking awesome just for doing it, there is a whole month to improve. You're literally on day 1, don't feel bad man.

I edit like a retard does calculus - poorly.

repost time.


Range: 3/7/10 yards
Target: Human Fist- Outline your closed fist with a sharpie in the anatomically correct location on the body - use aproportionate and correctly sized human silhouette target as the backer - You are encouraged to use more "life like" tagets to subdue the contrast with the "Fist" (Video explains better)
Start Position: Low Ready + Concealed/Duty rig
Rounds Fired: 18/54

Procedure:

String 1: Low ready, fire 3 shots @ 3 yards
String 2: Holstered, fire 3 shots @ 3 yards
String 3: Low ready, fire 3 shots @ 5 yards
String 4: Holstered, fire 3 shots @ 5 yards
String 5: Low ready, fire 3 shots @ 10 yards
String 6: Holstered, fire 3 shots @ 10 yards

Any shots not touching the fist - total disqualification of entire set.

Scoring is overall COMBINED time of a completed, non-DQ'd set.

This is run HOT, you may perform up to (3) sets a range session, please share your highest, non DQ'd score. (or all 3, whatever you want to do)


NOTE: I have very much considered changing the ranges to 3/5/7 as the instant D/Q at 10 can be a real ball buster.

Probs not a great SxS drill but maybe a conversation starter?

>>33502748
The shield is pretty tough to shoot at 25 yards. The one I owned wasn't the most accurate gun either. I posted a few shitty scores before I buckled down and got a 287 with my canik.

>>33503174
>>Patch thread needs to be restarted multiple times a day due to bump limit
>>Same with gear queer and /ARG/ shitposting
>>Almost every thread in the catalog is about stupid bullshit
>>The ONE FUCKING THREAD about actually nutting up and shooting your guns on the clock with a scored target is on life support with 35 people posting over 200 times to keep it bumped.

The saving grace is there are a few out there like you who see this shit and are on board

I almost broke and gave up when I was banned for reporting the "what caliber for xenomorphs" and "does chad carry?" threads

Yeah, I got a 24 hour ban for abusing the report system on those two threads.

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>>33503174
>Patch thread needs to be restarted multiple times a day due to bump limit
>Same with gear queer and /ARG/ shitposting
>Almost every thread in the catalog is about stupid bullshit
>The ONE FUCKING THREAD about actually nutting up and shooting your guns on the clock with a scored target is on life support with 35 people posting over 200 times to keep it bumped.

Fucking this. Too many anons posting pictures of guns they never use and prattling on about stupid nonsense.

This is the best thread /k/ has had in months.

>>33503343
Shitty part? Like 3 of of us nursed the first thread on life support to make it through the earlier part of the week, it still died in it's original state with 40 unique posters. All the while fucktarded noguns nonsense and millennial poltard garbage is pervasive and spammed, disgusting and worthless, has nothing to do with guns and isn't even board culture.

This is round two, thankfully the dedication seems to be here, we just need to stay on it.

My biggest fear is when I go to bed, that is 6 hours for noguns and fuckheads to kill this thread, and too many contributors here have actual lives and can't coddle these threads like I and a few others.

>>33503432
But how else will we find out who would win in a battle of 500 ninjas vs. 1000 USCG?!?

(I'll keep the bumps coming)

>>33503432
Hey man, good news, my dumb ass is a mall cop and I work night shift. Looks like I'm getting paid to bump the threads.

>>33503275
The mods are totally retarded as well, thanks for reminding me.

>>33503343
I go on about dumb shit as well, but this is tge thread that should be running full steam ahead right now. But no, we have a few real shooters throwing down and letting everyone see what they can do (especially the guy with the shield and sub2000, it doesn't mean much when we're fighting over high score, he's posting his learning process from the start, god damn hero IMO) and the rest of the board is content talking about calibers they can't get on target and guns they don't know how to shoot.

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>>33503249
>The one I owned wasn't the most accurate gun either.
Next Friday I'll bring my tricked out Shield 9 and let you try it.

>>33503544
Sounds good.

Mine was reliable and I suppose the accuracy was "defense" acceptable. Very comfy for carry.

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>>33503469
>>33503519

>just F5'd 7 actual gun related threads - no new posts

so it begins

time to weather the storm /k/omrads. baton down the hatches and keep the posted content original and of high quality - it's literally a shitty zack snyder film, our content has to be high enough quality to drive back the onslaught of worthless shitposters.

>inb4 I'm banned for suggesting keeping a content focused thread alive via didactic ulterior motives - lol what a troll ban him!

-t. nu-mods

pic unrelated but FUCKIN AWSOM RITE?

>>33503672
you sound really annoying

>>33503730
I probably am annoying to attention whores and oblivious pedantic children like you.

Did you visit this thread to submit OC and play along and generate quality content for /k/ or did you just want to feel special?

>>33503604
Oh, by the way, my roommate bought you a box of Winchester 124gr 9mm NATO as a thank you for that wolf you gave him a couple weeks ago.

>>33503730
He's just angry, /k/ is shit and it can be very frustrating because it has a lot of potential that the ususl retarded forums don't.

>>33503792
> Winchester 124gr 9mm

That's pretty fucking NATO. Thank him for me please.

Any ideas on an accurate jacketed bullet for 38 special? The internet isn't helping. I'm thinking something in the 140-160 grain range with a light charge of HP 38 or Titegroup. Also have some Accurate No. 5 laying around.

>>33503867
I'll pass it along!

I'm going to give those polycoat bullets a try, as for copper, Barry's is good shit, but you need to push them above 800fps for acceptable accuracy from what I've heard

https://www.berrysmfg.com/item/bp-38-357-148gr-hbwc

>>33503966
Also, he need to shoot this course. Pretty sure he can put up a very respectable score.

Kinda changed gears. I think I'm going to work up a zippy +P 125 grain load.

>>33503781
i mostly stick to /arg/ and fags like you are why.

>>33504129
A trip from AR general calling someone else a fag.

What a time to be alive.

>>33504155
it's also a great time to kys

>>33504162
Okay.

>>33504162
You really aren't helping.

>>33503781
Neither are you

Can we just talk about shooting? Any tips or tricks for getting a better score on the DOTM?

>>33504155
seriously, is this real life?

>>33504129
I'd taunt you into actually trying the qualifier, but one of two things would happen:

You would cheat to impose your little personality bubble on us all (more likely)

You would shoot it honestly and look like the amateur you are and not post the results and never return (sadly less likely but totally welcome, go away)

>>33504083
Yeah, he definitely does, I'm sure he'll at least clear the FBI 200 point requirement. He does need to work on his 25yd skills though.

I bought a pack of 'official' B-8 target centers to shoot at btw, just for that professional look for when we crush 290 guy.

Going for flat shooting?

>>33504242
wow, this place is uber gay, i thought only the anons in /arg/ were shit.

>>33504212
Sorry but some non contributing trigfag cunt posts off topic garbage I'm going to call him out - no leeway for this kind of junk in good threads

>>33504242
Two things

>1. They already said they were going to shoot it

>2. Driving people, any people, out of tge thread and away from DOTM is exactly what we all JUST agreed was killing the board.

I'd love to throw down against all the tripfags personally

>>33504291
fair enough. I...I got mad

>>33504272
welcome to the DOTM, looking forward to your positive contributions

>>33501118
Good post

>>33503730
Outright unconstructive fight starting post

Please don't try and start /ARG/ drama here, we don't want it bumped that badly.

>>33504284
Yeah, but it's not helping any to argue, you could just ask what gun the plan on using in the FBI drill then talk some shit about that with emphasis on wanting to see them try

>>33504332
>>33504325

night guys

>>33504272
Everything everywhete is shit, you weren't helping, neither were we.

That said, what pistol(s) will you be using in the FBI drill? Revolver maybe? They're criminally underrepresented right now

>>33504350
Night, hopefully when you get back there will be more peoples shredded targets to look over

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>>33504356
i'm gonna use all of these, the fns is my carry gun, the fnx is my competition gun, and the ar's are just for fun

>>33504413
This may be a dumb question, but are you not running front sights on your rifles? If you are, I'm not seeing them.

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>>33504413
You should set the target at 300 and 100 for the rifles, that would actually be a pretty legitimate test! I'm now considering doing this myself.

>3.3" 10 ring
>8" scored target size
>300 yards standing slow fire 10 rounds
>100 yards timed fire 5 shots in 15 seconds twice then 5 in 10 twice.

That would be fun with my Iron sight 20"

I'm going to have to beat you with my HK on principle if you use the FNX.

>>33504525
>use the FNX.
GOD DAMN IT GIDDY, YOU BETTER. I WON'T STAND FOR THIS FUCKER BASHING A GUN I JUST BOUGHT TODAY.

>>33504508
they are there

>>33504525
i should but i just want to have fun and my range only goes to 150.

i'm rusty with my fnx, haven't shot it for score in over a year.

>>33504563
He's not bashing it more than saying CS is kind of subpar.a gun not lasting 16k rounds is kind of understandable but a company admitting it isn't MEANT to last that amount is bullshit to say the least

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>>33504614

>>33504614
I am totally dick waving against the FN pistols.

>USP! USP! USP! USP! USP! USP!!!!!

>>33504583
That sucks, maybe print a smaller scale target? Or just use backup irons?
I'm stiked ti see more people participating and I can't wait to see your scores!

>>33503200
So what's the idea here? To shoot the gun out of your targets hand?

>Sorry for not replying for so ling.

>>33504525
I'm liking the rifle ideas.

>75 yards
>Bolt guns (Mauser and Krag perhaps?)
>Offhand

Thoughts?

>>33504834
I'm down, but your Krag is cheating lol

I hope the range isn't packed next friday, I want to stretch my USP, Dan Wesson, and Makarovs legs out on the 100yd range

>>33504859
>100 yard makarov competition.

This almost deserves it's own thread.

>>33504888
That would be funny as shit. The guns are more than capable of it. Although the fixed sights on the military model is a serious handicap with that anemic round.

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Midnight bump with tertiary content
>wasnt a pistola
>still shot something

>>33504888
Bullseye anon from earlier here.

I'm going to a rimfire silhouette shoot in the morning, prairie dogs at 50/75/100/125/150.

I have my bullseye 1911 and 100rds with me, as well as my lc9s. Gonna try hitting some of the longer targets with them I think.
>tfw thinking about drilling one of the 3.5"x6" silhouettes at 150yds
I would fucking jizz myself

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>>33505493
This sounds like a good time.

I'd love to try rimfire silhouette sometime, but I don't think it's a thing in my state.

This was my best 50 yard effort last Friday with my CZ 455 Trainer with irons.

Shameless bump.

>>33505444
I really want to try handgun hunting some time.

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>>33479280
Trust me, my first one will be shit also.

>>33479280
The 25 yard shots are the make or break for me. Remember to focus on the front sight, control your trigger and that 4 minutes is an eternity for ten rounds.

>>33506310
No need for that attitude, you got this!

>>33504413
>he's invested in FNH pistols

oh know wonder you don't like me

it's cool, but yeah, don't shoot them too much

>tfw FNH USA has had my 4" FNS for over a month now

whelp, at least they fixed that one, and it's due back on the 3rd so yay?

also giddy wanna buy some FNS 9 magazines for like half price? It's gonna be weird to put the 4" up on gun broker with 13 spare mags

>>33504757
Ack I just realized I fucked all that up.

Ok the target is literally an outline of your fist placed on a USPSA/IDPA metric target right where the heart would be. Drill is called the 3x3x3 - or casually and crassly referred to as the Mr. Fister

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>>33479280
Giving it another go later today. Going to try with my old ass S&W M&P too.

>>33506310
Something, something third times the charm.
>>33506679
Yea I rush it so hard. Usually still have over 3 minuyes left, even though I feel like I went slow.

>>33506886
Okay, I see. As an alternative, you could draw a 1" thick line from the base of the ribs to the eye line of a B27 target, no shots outside the line count.

>Hint, it's the spine.
>Pro tip, heart shots are how you get shot back before the bad guy bleeds out, CNS or bust

I actually used to practice on a 2x4 standing sideways.

>>33506922
>Going to try with my old ass S&W M&P too.
Oh fuck yes, do it in single action at 25, remember

>Natural point of aim
>BREATHE
>Front sight front sight front sight
>You got this

>>33506933
Is single action cheating? I feel like its cheating.

>>33506937
Fuck no, you have four fucking minutes, thumb that bastard.

>>33506933
If I shoot a higher score with it I might actually OC it at least once this summer hah.

>>33506924
>hitting the CNS on a moving target that is probavly moving towards cover in any manner of angles
I admire your gumption but I really hope you don't train yourself to freeze up and wait for the shot.

>>33506961
I carry my revolvers sometimes, I pocket carry my snub nosed. 38 every day aat work.

>>33506967
>Thinking hitting the heart is any more likely
And it was mostly counter ambush from concealment and "if I can hit that standing I am more likely to hit COM moving"

I also absolutely fucking hate the "Any hit on a target at 15yds counts" attitude, that is setting up for failure.

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>>33506972
Nice. I used to carry a Charter Arms UCL, but I lent it to a gtiend amd it got stolen (he paid me back). Sadly this is the only revolver I have now, and K-frames don't exactly cooperate for CC. Only own OC holsters for her.

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>>33506987
You make me want to put my old grips on my K-frame

>>33506986
Im a firm believer in training on the smallest target and using that as a way to give yourself wiggle room, shooting at big AR 500 targets isn't really helping much unless you have smaller ones handy but thinking you NEED to hit the CNS or the shot 'doesn't count' is also setting up for failure.

>>33506992
There's something special about beat to shit, wobbly old grips that you know saw some shit in their time.

>>33492736
You're going to have to tell me about that patch, anon.

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>>33506987
This is a sweet old school setup anon.

>ywn be the sherrif of a small town in the 1950's

>>33507027
*sheriff

piss

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>>33507027
Thanks. And this is after taking shit off to go shooting.

>ywn hual ass in an old cruiser with a single red dome light. Using your baton of justic to keep the town clean.

>>33507036
That is fucking awesome.

>ywn have a winchester 94 in the trunk of the old cruiser for "special occasions."

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>>33507045
>not a Model 8
For shame

>>33506993
For scoring it would be fun, also, context is important. Read the posts I was replyin to, he was outlining a drill that only counted heart shots, CNS makes more sense.

>>33506995
And oh man do they point well

>>33507036
That is a 10/10 asthetic rig

>>33506993
>>33506986

not the guy you were chatting with, but am the guy who designed the 3x3x3, I absolutely agree with this mentality and that was kinda my thought process on the drill.

It's not "now I'm going to hit the heart every time" it's just forcing you into a tighter area, so when shit pops off hopefully you have an extra layer of control the other guy doesn't.

>>33494508
gg anon, gg

>>33505493
Well, won the shoot but didn't get to shoot my pistol.

Damn.

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Euroanon here as promised

boy am I rusty

Went in without warmup, failed to get one shot off during first string of the second stage, that's a ten point loss right there. The fast shooting went better than the slow aimed stuff, at 23m I had a few fliers. Time to unfuck myself for the coming IDPA season.

>>33508999
Dude that's pretty damn good for shooting it cold - I always warm up and still struggle at times.

I hope you get the opportunity to play with the drill a bit more and deliver 2 more awesome runs!

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>>33500493
my dogshit performance at the 50 was even worse today - give me time I'll eventually put up SOMETHING resembling a group

But my practical shooting went well, man I wish there was a day I felt strong at both

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>>33509754

I know you guys aren't a huge fan of Lucas but I'm going to be reping a few of these in the down time over the month.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQKXBttw5wI

>>33509718
friend printed them A4 versions and gave me a bunch, I'm looking forward to getting a good run on those. We did a bunch of other drills as well and I wasn't great at any.

It's warm now tho and it looks like I'll have an income so I'll be back to my range day every 2 weeks, competition once a month schedule.

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>>33509754
Nigga you shoot 10x more than me, how are you not just acing this?

>>33509886
I chuckled at the mag fumble, concealment is a bitch sometimes, got a picture of the target?

>>33507791
CNS advocate here, glad we're all on the same page, I tell my buddy all the time to shoot further and smaller so that when shit goes down he has more precision he can sacrifice for speed and still preform above the bar.

>>33508999
Almost instructor!!! Keel at it you've fucking got this man!

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Barely passed with 203... Kinda how i feel about college right now. When i get another mag for my LCP II i wonder if i will even break 100 lol

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>>33511028
>Nigga you shoot 10x more than me, how are you not just acing this?

Here are the excuses:

1) Whelp I'm shooting a lot more this week because LAX is covering me for the 2.5k rounds I had to send back, I just came off about a 2-3 week dry spell.

2) This is the first bullseye shooting I've done with the P30L LEMs since ditching the FNS series

3) I'm just now getting my hold overs in check dialed in at both the 25 and 15

4) I'm literally autistic and super sensitive to recoil and sound - one of the reasons I'm so absorbed in being a stronger pistol shooter - I'm more naturally suited for practical shooting where I can apply counterforce in sequence with the recoil instead of trying to ride over it.

5) This test lit a fire under my ass because as stated - super obsessive autism and no life generally allow me to master anything I put my mind to, but this test has me fuckin stalled out hard, I'm running in to my skill ceiling I think.

I don't have a pic of the target, but it's just the 11x17 FAST with the 3x5 credit card head box and 8" circle thoracic cavity. I upload those to my journal so I keep them as short as possible and just communicate to the camera my dropped shots and time.

If I don't film due to time constraints or laziness, I do photo, pic is an example.

Also I have some quick editing to do and then I'll show you what I learned today about POA/POI at the 50 yard line!

>>33511283
Hey m8 pass is a pass is a pass. Welcome to the FBI Agent Anon!

Also you got 2 more best ofs and a while month, you got this nigga!

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>>33511028
OK so I I wanted to prelude this post with saying thx for being the inspiration to push out to the 50.

There was some frustration involved, but with a little bit of self rationalization, dry fire deductive problem solving and technique experimentation I was able to get on target and get a rough understanding of hold overs at that range.

I know this vertical graphic is kind of shit to understand so I'll do my best...

1) THANK GOD - at 50 yards I've passed the parabolic arc and the gun has basically a "combat hold" IE: Bury what you want to hit behind the dot.

2) The big solution to my shots drifting left and off target was a bit of ball and dummy work - for some reason on the LEM trigger I have a harder time not pushing down and left, with the FNS guns heeling was my common problem.

3) The solution to the anticipation wasn't zen like control, but rather a brute physical band-aid, taking advantage of the WML ledge and using increased grip strength with the support hand and more thumbing to the left with the support hand thumb to counter the low left jerk.

Run down of the vertical - the first pictured group without call-outs or labels group is the low-left 4 shots with one pushed off the cardboard, hold over on that was top of the sights flush with bottom of the target. (this is also when I figured out I had to thumb much harder)

Then I moved up to combat holdover burying the circle and thumbing the gun a lot more, magic started to happen. 2 strings of 5 shots each and I was content with my understanding of the hold.

Final image is a 10 shot string with counted and marked shots, not exactly pumped about the spread but the cadence is good for me and they are all on target. I now have a foundation for 50 yard shooting, I have a feeling if a do a bit more of this it's really going to buff up my 25 yard stuff for this qualifier.

/blog

s..sorry...autism