Will swords ever make a come back? Or only will they in SHTF

>>33475226
literally never

>>33475226
Well if we had some kind of theoretical situation where some kind of armor can only be penetrated at close range... we would probably use projectiles to get to close range, then do that thing. Think hollow charges and stuff.

sorry OP, the damn Chinese opened Pandoras box.

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>>33475273

What are you talking about?

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>>33475226
Even if SHTF, black powder can still be manufactured with some potassium nitrate, charcoal and sulphur.
Basic guns are still guns. Guns have made the way of the sword obsolete and as >>33475273 said, it's a Pandora's box.
The idea of firearms will never disappear, and for as long as firearms are feasible, the total return of swords will be highly unlikely.

>>33475226
China still issues swords to their scouts (and not just the mounted ones either). There isn't really a need to adapt sword tactics since guns work fine. Maybe once armor starts blocking multiple AK rounds with ease.

What kind of retard are you OP? Like come on, have a little savvy.

>>33475319
>Maybe once armor starts blocking multiple AK rounds with ease

How will a sword circumvent this?

>>33475226
If the BCNO armor project is successful, yes.

In theory, if armour either becomes effective enough to combat bullets yet being less useful against melee weapons, it might be feasible to see a come-back in swords. However, as other weapons deal with armour historically even better (axes and hammers), swords as a sidearm are less favourable.

Some cultures do still issue long-bladed weapons to troops, meaning its not unfeasible, but heavily contextual. Within an urban environment, bladed weaponry might make more sense for general use due to the environment pushing more close-combat encounters. Furthermore, with Germany adopting some chainmail against blades due to recent attackers, it's not impossible to see melee weaponry gaining a small rise in popularity, though most likely within a very small spread.

It may however be possible that swords might be issued again if combat moves to a more urban environment with more soldiers in the field than, say, drone strikes and carpet bombing.
Worth noting that firearms did not make swords and melee weaponry, or even armour disappear. Armour took a short nap, and swords have only been completely phased out (along with most melee weaponry) in the past 80 years, with the last combat use of swords being in WWII (Japanese, British officers, and a few others used them).

In fairness, old-school tech is usually just put on hold until it gets updated and applicable again (see body armour).
Seeing as open field combat tends toward ranged weaponry more often than urban encounters (which are closer), swords might actually see a return within that environment, if a design is made that makes them viable, or if urban conflict becomes more and more close-quarter, OR if bladed weapons get some sort of technological update that makes them suddenly favorable.

TL;DR - Maybe in cities and towns, but until we get power-technology straight outta 40K, probably not.

early space CQC combat.

guns work in space but too much of a risk of rapid unscheduled depressurization of your spacestation, space ship, moon base, mars base, or asteroid habitat.

plus fire is bad in high oxygen environment.

so you'll use short stabbing swords inside, and pneumatic darts outside.

>>33475226
AKs have been confirmed to function with black powder, revolvers can function in it quite well (.38 special was originally BP)
FALs would (probably) work with some adjustments to the gas system.

Shotguns function with BP and can be reloaded with very basic tools and paper cartridges can be made from scratch with very basic tools.

Single shot rifles and shotguns aren't hard to make with fairly primitive tools (1850's era tech and some modern stuff converted to function via water wheels or something)

Maybe if the only ammunition on hand amounts to four spam cans of x54R and a mag of 9mm, but at least in America machinery will have been rigged up a good while before ammo runs out.
The chemicals would be the hardest thing to source, and like I pointed out, we can subsist off of BP for a while and still have a number of guns function.
I do think the sword will make a comeback in the form of a must have tool though.
Maybe more like sword bayonets.
See Metro 2033/last light for some okay examples of what things would sort of go to (at least with the break action/manual action stuff)
But swords will never ever be a legitimate weapon ever again.
>>33475309
Most of this can be sourced from gallons of piss and basic construction materials and stuff.
Like I said; BP can be made fairly easily and a good number of firearms can (in a pinch) run off it.
>>33475319
Fucking pointless.
>>33475931
>BCNO armor project
What?
One of those stupid forcefields that don't let anything over a certain velocity through or something?
>>resist meteorite strikes anyways, you'll be fine using, say, an underpressured .45 revolver.
It may end up required dedicated ammunition developed for that purpose but it can be done.
You MIGHT see a comeback on bayonets bet that's highly unlikely.

Also,
What?
Hell no, just use low velocity large bore cartridges, and coupled with the fact that space stations have to resist meteorite strikes anyways, you'll be fine using, say, an underpressured
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>>33478449
.45 revolver.
It may be a comeback in terms of bayonets, but that's unlikely as infantry combat (even boarding parties) will be highly unlikely due to the submarine warfare like combat that space will most likely present.
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Also, from the part of "also, what?" Onwards, it's meant as a response to >>33478318.
I tried typing my comment out elsewhere and copy pasting it and it turned out like shit.

How long can you store ammo anyway? How long after a complete collapse until we have to switch back to sticks and stones?

>>33478513
decades if you keep it sealed away from moisture.

I'm shooting 1954 production 7.62 tok ammo. It was kept in a sealed tin until I openned it.

>>33475292
Black powder friend. Chinks invented it and now we'll never go back

>>33478449
>AKs have been confirmed to function with black powder, revolvers can function in it quite well (.38 special was originally BP)
>FALs would (probably) work with some adjustments to the gas system
So can CETMEs and G3. Chances are if blackpowder were to happen, recoil operated firearms will be widespread

>>33478449
> black powder AK

I wager they got all of about 15 rounds before this gas tube filled with carbon and they had a straight pull rifle.

Which, now that I think about it, is a very small plus for side charging handles in event of a post apocalyptic movie plot.

>>33475422
Stick the fucker between the plates.

>>33478831
Sounds like a tougher bullet is the easier solution. 12 gauge discarding sabots with tungsten penetrators when?

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>>33475226
Not swords in particular, but melee weapons are used frequently by urban combat specialist units like this guy said >>33478255

pic related; note the karambit on the urban specialist policeman to the left from the urban cleansing ops in SE turkey 2015-2016

>>33475226
Maybe in Britain or parts of Europe where firearms would be rare.
But of course firearms only stay rare until someone manages to crack open an armory.

>>33478449
Boron-Carbon-Oxygen-Nitrogen compounds. Boron carbide (B4C) is already used in tank and body armor, and is effective and lightweight as is. However, B4C undergoes a nasty structure transition with too high impact velocity (velocity is the critical factor, not kinetic energy, so round mass doesn't matter in this case), which causes sharp losses protective qualities in a process called amorphization. There are currently efforts at labs and universities to produce altered structures of compounds of these boron compounds to eliminate this failure mechanism, in which case lightweight body armor could be produced that is far more resistant than current armor. If successful, you'd be largely impervious to typical firearms with manageable armor weight. High end high-power rifles would likely still be somewhat effective, but you'd likely need something more than typically-available firearms like handguns or AK's to be effective in a firefight.

>>33478318
I had an idea for a sci-fi SMG, it was caseless, fired at 1,500 rpm, was smooth-bore, .20 calibre, and used frangible bullets, once you emptied the magazine (mounted over the barrel) you dumped it and the barrel and dropped a new one in its place.

>>33479881
This would be why we have high velocity AP ammunition being developed.
More armor? Smaller sized heavier harder projectiles going faster to say fuck you.