45-70 gov

>>33453369
>Henry
>cartridge bigger than .22

pick one and only one

>>33453369
Get an old Marlin 1895.

>>33453369
https://youtu.be/VRvCC8ugCAw
https://youtu.be/Kq8NmOF1csk

>>33453369
Henry is the only viable option if you want a lever gun made in the past couple decades... been considering picking up the same model for the last year or so, and all I've heard form them is good (I've done a good bit of research and dug through a fair amount of reviews). If I were set on getting a lever-action 45-70 I would pick up a Henry without hesitation.

>>33453369
marlin guide gun

>>33453388
My 30-30 golden boy works great

>>33453557
Winchester, Marlin, Uberti, and Chiappa all currently make leverguns in .45-70, and all are going to be superior to the Henry simply by having a loading gate.

>>33453369
Short ranged BTFO of anything.

>>33453618
This is utter horse shit. This meme needs to stop.

>>33453369
I have Marlin 1895SBL it's stainless and it's a really nice rifle

>>33453635
>company surviving based upon having brass frame meme guns in 22lr
yes anon, so much better than other companies.

>>33453635
>n-no, it's totally fine that Henrys don't have a loading gate, despite them being a standard feature on every other tube mag levergun from the last 150 years

>>33453388
the 45 long colt and 44 mag are nothing to sneeze at, they're a shit-ton of fun. Can't say much about the 45-70 though, never got the chance to shoot one.
>>33453463
>>33453545
>>33453569
how many years of shit build quality and nightmarish customer service is it going to take for you brain-dead hicks to stop recommending this dead brand
>inb4 defending marlin because grandpa liked them
Remington bought them out and literally fired all their smiths. Modern marlins feel like total shit because remington uses their bolt-gun smiths to work on leverguns which leaves alot to be desired, getting one today that even comes close to the quality of the pre-remington era is next to impossible and good luck ever getting customer service to do anything for you.

>>33453675
>remlins are shit, lol

It's like we've gone back in time 5 years...

>>33453618
Please explane the advantage of having a loading gate without sounding like a total fucking sperg

>>33453686
I never said remington was shit, I said marlin was shit because bolt-gun smiths specialize on bolt-guns where as lever-gun smiths specialize on lever-guns.

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>>33453675
ummm, wow, sweetie, everything you said is wrong. marlin has since improved, and their guns are fine now, cupcake. but...okay...buy a henry with no loading gate and fall for the meme, honey.

>>33453688
Fucking this. These cunts spout off about this shit in every levergun thread. I own both and both are perfectly fine.

Fucking echo box niggers.

>>33453699
time to stop. you've got just enough information to be dangerous.

>>33453675
>how many years of shit build quality and nightmarish customer service is it going to take for you brain-dead hicks to stop recommending this dead brand

Owning both a Henry and a Marlin and having shot both extensively I'd say you are the one that is fucking brain dead. They are both well built firearms.

>>33453688
You can reload the gun without taking part of the gun apart.

It's not a big deal in the grand scheme of things, a minor tactical advantage isn't really going to be a deciding factor in a levergun because people buy leverguns because they think they're cool.

Some people like Henrys, some people like Marlins, and some people throw away their knives because the queen tells them to.

>>33453688
>Please explane the advantage of having a loading gate without sounding like a total fucking sperg

For me the loading gate is just more convenient. I run out I just push more rounds in. I own both I just prefer the loading gate. I think that's what it ultimately boils down too is preference.

>>33453704
>I don't like what you said so it's wrong
Typical...
remington did fire the marlin smiths, marlin has worse customer service than it used to, and companies employing lever-gun smiths put out a better product than marlin does now.... but yeah, marlin has improved, most likely because the smiths got the hang of working on lever-guns, but that doesn't mean they do as good as a job as smiths who specialize on the matter, sweetie.

>>33453369
>henry
>no loading gate
It's a toy fäm.

Get an oldschool Marlin for a premium, or get a brand new 2016 or 2017 Marlin (which maybe isn't as nice as the former, but it's actually pretty good).

>>33453635
I'm sorry are we gonna go backwards in technology now?
Front tubeloading is for cucks.

>>33453675
Hi person from several years ago, you'll never guess who the next president is gonna be!

>>33453688
It's convenient and allows for easier and faster reloading if needed, which is nice because there is no good options for a rifle in .357, .44 or .45-70 that takes detachable box magazines.

Moreover, some people live on in places where a manual repeater is the only legal option so it could very well be amongst the most rapid and powerful rifle available to them.

>>33453803
Well I suppose there's the Ruger 357/77 and the 44/77 but those aren't in production and I hear varying opinions on their magazines.

>>33453369
It depends what you're looking for.
do you want to chill around at the range and maybe hunt bison? Do you like gold and octo barrels? get a henry.
do you want to get into cowboy action shooting and still hunt bison? Do you care about having the most effective firearm? opt for something with a loading gate
simple as that.

>>33453761
>marlin has improved, most likely because the smiths got the hang of working on lever-guns
They also replaced decades old worn out tooling.

Allegedly, Marlin would just gradually change the dimensions on their designs to compensate for the increasingly poor condition of their tooling (I don't know if this was before or after Remington).

>>33453819
It flabbergasts me how many Henryfags forget about Cowboy Action Shooting.

>>33453821
The biggest problem was Remington discovered dimensioned drawings of Marlin’s iconic rifles did not exist. The plans at North Haven had simply been passed down through the generations. Since many of these workers hadn’t made the move to Ilion, so much of that inherent knowledge had been lost.

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>>33453369
Id rather have the Taylors and Company 1886 Ridge Runner

So have Marlins improved at all in the past few years? I want the guide gun but I don't know how to tell between the new and old ones, and the new ones are reasonable.

>>33457173
Look up the serial number to find the year it was made, usually the first few digits are all you need. Get it as new as possible, 2016-2017, or buy a used one with a JM stamp

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>>33453369
>Henry

Lmao enjoy your poverty tube.

>>33453369
It's a durh annihilator. Also elk and bear and maybe elephants lmao.

>>33453675
2013 called for their outdated opinion m8

>>33457232
How close to pre-FG quality are the 2016-17s?

>>33457453
Not quite as nice, but pretty good still.

Anyone have any experience with the .444 Marlin cartridge?

>>33453388
It's lovely in .357. Very nice action.

Gets a bit hot if you're really going for it with it - which I have a habit of doing as I can't put it down once I start plinking with it.

>>33453725
It's an annoyance to reload one if you're lying down. Not that I ever foresee myself needing to tactically need to be operationally worried about strategically and tactically having to fuck about with a lever action rifle in a situation where my life depends on me having more than eight rounds.

>>33453388
.243. Come at me, home skillet.

Op here. I now want somthing brass with loading gate. Any suggestions?

>>33453725
>some people throw away their knives because the queen tells them too.

Ouch.

IT LITERALLY SAVES A LIFE KIN THAT KNOIFE

>>33453369
Marlin 1895CB

Wanna say mine was around $700 or maybe $800? Love it so far.

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>>33460196
Uberti makes an 1866 replica in brass.

https://www.uberti-usa.com/1866-yellowboy-rifle

>>33453369
I'd really like a 45-70 because big bore tickles me. but holy shit the rounds are like a $1 a pop.

the only way to justify that would be reloading.

>>33461112
Reloading is cheap as dirt if you have a source of cheap lead to cast your own projectiles.

>>33453369
I want to get henry's break action single shot .223 for yotes. It seems like a bretty kewl gun.

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have a rossie rio grande in .45-70 got a good one i guess since i see so much shit on taurus,but i have 4 of em and thousands of rounds through them with no issue,so im not sure if its just people with no clue talking shit,( which on here is almost the norm) or what. anyway my rio grande is a great shooter,smooth ,and accurate,hope this helps

>>33461112
A basic kit for .45-70 pays for itself fast.

>>33462226
Rossi has a spotty reputation.
Taurus has a VERY spotty reputation (though their 92FS clones seem to usually be passable).

If you got a good Rossi brand rifle, congratulations, not everyone does.

>>33460893
Id love this but it cant handle +p 45lc.

>>33462701
no shit sherlock, it has a brass receiver

>>33462666
yeah i have heard some horror stories on them,guess i got a good one,also whatever you decide if it is a rossie,or marlin dont order off a site,go to a LGSand look at them in person,handle work actions all that.both of those are really common rifles,and are usually kept in stock at all of the places by me. probably why i got a good rossie is bass pro sends back anything abviously jacked up,so youll only see those in good mechanical order there,but many of the stories ive read about folks with bad marlins,and rossies even other brands are they order it off line,and when they go to ffl to pick up its all wonky,then they are stuck dealing with taurus or remington themselves.just my $0.02

>>33453881
>levergun
>rail
Pick one and only one

>>33462226
>>33462666
>>33462813
Rossi leverguns have always been considered adequate. Almost everyone makes a butter levergun though.

Winchester 94 is what you're looking for mate.

Pure class

>>33462846
weaver is perfectly acceptable on a modern leverfun

>>33453369
I had an H10, but the regular steel model. Henrys are good to go. Their customer service is god-tier.

Don't listen to the muh loading gate autists here, none of them have actually used it and they're just bandwagoning. Tubes are just fine, they're actually faster to load once you know what you're doing and unloading is miles safer than the traditional method. I'm saying this as someone who's had quite a few Henrys, Marlins, and Winchesters in his safe.

Just be ready...a .45-70 with a brass buttplate WILL beat the shit out of you.

>>33462846
the synthetic stock is the real heresy on that rifle. rails are fine, how else are you going to mount a sexy low power scope on your lever gun?

>>33462846
>>levergun
>>rail
>Pick one and only one

No thanks fudd I'll take both

>>33459218
Pretty good? More like just okay. Don't give those fuckers any extra credit for finally reaching mediocrity.

>>33462967
>the synthetic stock is the real heresy on that rifle

It's actually a wood stock look it up

>>33462926
>Almost everyone makes a better levergun though
Well, they seem about the only option for me, since I want a Mare's Leg "pistol", and only now realized how retarded Henry's design is.

>>33463204
I think Chiappa makes a Mare's Leg, but I'm sure it costs more than a Rossi.

>>33463204
https://www.chiappafirearms.com/p.php?id=99

>>33463267
Yeah, more than twice as much.

>>33463267
>>33463309
That hive mind

>>33463310
dat case hardening tho

>>33463309
Wait, how did you get to that page?
I was led to this one https://www.chiappafirearms.com/p.php?id=129

>>33463204
Look up Hog Laig and Peg Laig you might get some more options if you like that style. And yes it's spelled Laig

>>33463379
I googled Chiappa Mare's leg

>>33463386
They're interesting, but they seem too short, almost like an Obrez.
If I were going to try to CC a lever action pistol, that would be the way to go, though.

>>33453688

Not him, but I don't have to take it off my shoulder to reload. It's more of a convenience thing

>>33463379
Here is another one
https://www.chiappafirearms.com/p.php?id=87

>>33463379
Here's a list of all their 1892-based guns.

https://www.chiappafirearms.com/f.php?id=14

Let's say I was looking for a .45-70 levergun that could handle being fed nothing but Ruger No. 1 loads

Does such a thing exist? If so, where do I get it.

>>33463427
I couldn't ever get into them because of the capacity, being six for some, might as well get a revolver

Op here, currently thinking marlin 1895z I'm in love with the big lever. Shame about the brass

>>33463595

Just make sure it's a JM

>>33463595
>1895z

?????? Link me to one.

>>33463504
No, nothing like that exists.

The Savage 99 and Marlin 1895 could handle a few across its lifetime. Nothing else would survive even 1 without significant damage.

>>33453688
Three reasons.
1. Taking a 2 foot stick completely out of your gun every time you want to reload it is slow and cumbersome
2. Their plastic followers are junk and you WILL break one eventually, assuming it doesn't just outright fall the fuck out.
3. The inner tube is thin, low-grade aluminum even on the .45-70 models and bends/dents very easily (1 drop from waist height onto hard-packed dirt). Once it's bent/dented it will not go back in the gun, and you have to buy a new one.

>>33453807
Not to mention the 4 or 3 round mag capacity.

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Taylor 1886 45-70 Takedown

>>33457453
70-75%. FFL here. We still get lemons through fairly frequently, shit that should've never left the factory it's so blatant.

>>33459236
Weaker and more expensive than .45-70 while shooting about as not-flat. Decently good for reloaders though as it uses .44mag bullets.

Buying a Marling Guide Gun soon; should I buy a brand new one or put the effort into getting a pre-remington one?
If I go for a new one, what should I check for in terms of quality-control?

Anyone here ever fuck around with the mousefart calibers in leverguns? Shit like .25-20, .218 Bee, etc.

One of my all-time favorite rifles is a Winchester 1892 (original, 1897 production) takedown round barrel full-mag in .25-20. Second favorite is an original 1892 (1907 production) in .32-20.

Henry is supposed to be producing a couple rifles in .327 Federal this year, which would tickle my pickle something fierce if they put a loading gate on it instead of a front-fed tube.

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The WWG Alaskan Guide gun fires 45-70 and .457 WWG

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I thoroughly enjoyed my 1895SBL. 2016 production and worked great.

Would recommend/10

I think I'd prefer a Winchester 1895 in .30-06.

>>33463880
No. They're good for about 3500 rounds before the frames stretch enough to induce dangerous levels of excess headspace. Which can't be fixed.

>>33460140
I noticed this too.

The barrel gets much hotter than I expect.

>>33463825
>rail

You kill any babies recently you sick fuck?

>>33461198
>>33462633
i will later, ive got FAL things to do.

>>33462928
Love my Winchester 94

>>33463691
1. It's offset by how much faster you can actually load the rounds
2. Have you actually had that happen?
3. Henry customer service is GOAT. If something happens to your tube, just call them and they'll send you a new one for free

>>33460893
Not 45-70

>>33463595
>>33463619
1895 GBL

>>33463722
im going to have sexual thoughts about that

>>33453369
Personally I prefer Winchesters. I like having a loading gate. If you admire the aesthetics of the Henry though, go for it. I would suggest something other than the .45-70 unless you plan to hand load because of the somewhat limited (and expensive) cartridge selection and because shooting high power loads all day can be somewhat painful.

As for cartridge the .45-70 with modern powders can be a monster. I tried sighting in a Marlin1895 guide rifle my friend had put a scout scope on with HSM bear loads. We fired five shots total (and had one case of scope eye) before deciding that it wasn't going to happen. A heavier rifle will be better with .45-70 so the H010B will definitely benefit you (8 pound vs 7 on the Marlin) but the Winchester comes in at 9 so that makes recoil even more manageable.

I have a Rossi Puma in .454 and it's an absolute beast. It's patterned on the Win 1892. If they still made them, depending on what you want the rifle for (mine is for back country) I'd recommend it but be careful about what cartridges you feed through it. Some of the factory (HSM, Buffalo Bore) are just a little bit over length and can damage it. I had to replace the locking blocks because of that but she shoots just fine. And, as a bonus, you can fire .45 LC through it for when you don't want to A: Destroy your shoulder and B: Spend $3 a round. And because it's chambered for a more powerful cartridge I can load .45 to Ruger and T/C specs for when I want something really zippy.

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>>33453688
It's a fuckload more convenient and doesn't look dumb as hell.

>>33463805
LEWD

>>33465748
>1. It's offset by how much faster you can actually load the rounds
Only true on their .22 and .357 models due to them holding a lot of rounds. About tied on .44 models. Loading gate is about twice as fast on .45-70 due to the long round and low mag capacity
>2. Have you actually had that happen?
Repeatedly, yes. I paid to have aluminum ones made for my Big Boy after I lost 3 plastic ones in 7 months from just falling the fuck out. There's a reason aluminum tube followers are like the only real aftermarket for the Golden Boy, and they're made by a couple different companies.
>3. Henry customer service is GOAT. If something happens to your tube, just call them and they'll send you a new one for free
Yeah nah. I tried that when my Big Boy kept tossing followers. They made me buy the replacements.

>>33453369
I'd go Marlin model 95
Stay away from Winchester miroku. Absolutely the biggest disappointment. 1.2k just for the carrier to work itself loose and jam itself in the lifter. All I was doing was working the lever while watching tv. Slow and smooth admiring how silky the action was when it went to shit. No warranty or customer service for Jap Winchesters either.

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>>33467037
>recommending a Marlin over a Miroku