Is this actually legal to own/sell or just honeypot bait?

>>33445143
There's nothing illegal about owning it; the receiver is the regulated part.

>>33445143
Its legal as long as its not in a gun.

I've been curious about this myself. I've wondered if preppers keep FA conversion parts in case society collapses.

They're not illegal but the ATF could hit you with the highly unconstitutional "intent" charge if you own an AR

>>33445143
Of course it's legal to own/sell. There are people with registered lower receivers and it isn't technically illegal to own them without a registered lower. They came in those M16A1 parts kits that used to be available.

>>33445191
>"intent" charge
Want to explain what you are talking about?

>>33445153
Do you have the one that says "someone come look at this"

>>33445191
source plz

>>33445324
Gun forum fudd lore for the last 30 years. He's thinking of 'constructive intent', which isn't a real thing, that's been confused with constructive possession, which is a real thing. The idea is a lawyer could argue in court that you having the AR-15 receiver and the select fire FCG meant that you were building illegal machine guns.

>>33445360
Huh. I wonder how many of these myths there are. I've always heard of the "if you have a custom trigger on your defensive weapon, the DA will use that as evidence to prosecute you." There always seems to be an "overly ambitious DA trying to further his career" in these myths.

Will later service riffles eventually end up as parts kits like those A1s or was that a one time occurrence?

>>33445429
Maybe M16A3s/A4s. Usually the parts kits happen when the military phases out a rifle. They'll probably just run the remaining stock of those rifles into the round, though.

>>33445388
There was a case around the rodney king beating that involved a young girl being shit with a gun that had a modified trigger and the shooter was arrested because she was shot in the back, but retards meme the trigger into being intent to murder

>>33445167
>society collapses
>ammo becomes scarce
>make your guns shoot more ammo
preppers would be this stupid

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I have this. Come get me.

>>33445591
why would I do that, anon?

>>33445591
I've always wanted one of those, for educational purposes, of course. Where did you get it, anon, from the dude whose email is at the bottom?

>>33445143
>Is this actually legal to own/sell or just honeypot bait?
both, it's fully legal to own and is a honeypot
>>33445591
This however, is very illegal because it requires no modification to the firearm. It's literally the same as an RDIAS with the sear and block separated.

>>33445671
Yeah website/guy at bottom

>>33445721
Illegal if I make it anon

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>>33445153
ohio mr atf man
nothing suspicious here

>>33445774
nothing at all

>>33445481
Settle down Max Brooks.

>>33445774
none whatsoever

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>>33445307
Just for you, anon.

>>33445774
i wouldnt worry abbott it

>>33445143
Legal to own, unless your state says it's illegal. Just don't go trying to put it into a gun.

>>33445143
>>33445591
Someone tell me more about this stuff. I thought that newish AR-15 receivers were slightly different, like the dimensions, from their select fire counterparts to prevent something like this from being used. Is this actually not the case?

I dont get it, even installed in a lower its useless without a sear or the machining for the sear.

Its like saying your going to speed in a ferrari but your missing the transmission

>>33446317
You might have to mill a pocket and drill a hole.....that's it>>33446292

>>33446317

The ATF used to be a lot more anal about MG parts, even getting their knickers in a twist over an M16 MG bolt carrier being used in an AR-15. Those day are mostly behind us now though.

>>33445297
>>33445324


https://blog.princelaw.com/2009/07/08/nfa-and-constructive-possession-myth-or-reality/

>>33446388
>need a DIAS,m16 hammer, trigger, disconnector, selector to make a machine gun.
>alternatively need to drill a auto sear roll pin hole above the selector hole and have all the above parts minus the DIAS and just have a regular autosear.

I have all the parts minus a DIAS so I'm gtg as far as possession is concerned.

>>33445774
Seems legit.

>>33446292
There is a "3rd hole" that will get your bottom hole stretched in a federal prison you need to drill into a standard low shelf AR lower to use a select fire trigger group with a standard M16 BCG

Or you can use a lightning link, M16 BCG, and a low shelf lower (standard milspec) to bubba a FA only AR15. The first being the piece that needs to be a registered pre 1986 machinegun or enjoy club fed.

Colt LE6920's for a while when they were fucking cucks used a non milspec BCG and a high shelf lower to keep the plebs from putting a tactical bottle opener in their rifles, but they've unfucked themselves and use normal parts now.

>>33445881
Thanks a bunch

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>>33446594
Mean to have an image there

>>33446388
There is no pocket to mill. Every AR-15 lower since the late 90s has the a low shelf.

>>33445143

Do you own an AR pattern rifle or AR receiver? If no then yes you can legally own it. Otherwise it's constructive intent.

>>33446317
The "auto sear" is an easy part to make. It's a cross shaped piece of steel with a spring and an arm. It's not for you to get, it's for people to repair their transferable select fire AR-15s.
>>33446390
They harassed manufacturers about that stuff, they never harassed non licensees until holes started appearing where they shouldn't.

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>>33445591
>No atf opinion letter
>posting totally not intent to commit a felony on a public imageboard
wew lad

>>33446575
>Or you can use a lightning link, M16 BCG, and a low shelf lower (standard milspec) to bubba a FA only AR15
Wrong, as usual. LLs only work with SP1 carriers. A DIAS is the only way you're going to 'bubba' your AR-15 into being able to shoot full auto.
>>33446775
No such thing as constructive intent and constructive possession is a legal trick that may not work, if you even get to court.

>>33445388
the only time a custom trigger would gape your ass in court is if you engraved "nigger slayer" or some dumb shit on it

From what I know of "Constructive Posession" (which is often confused with the term "constructive intent") when physically building a NFA firearm, it requires that there is no other potential use of the item.

This shows up far more often when it comes to "pistol" firearms and owning a fixed stock. If the individual owns a pistol version of a firearm and owns a stock for the firearm without owning a non-pistol version of the firearm, it shows they have intent to make an unregistered SBR.
Ex. You own an AR pistol, you buy a new buffer tube and stock yet you don't own another AR, technically you should say goodbye to your dog.

This is also why owning a hacksaw and a shotgun is not Constructive Possession, since the hacksaw has other uses. Things get fuzzy if you have applied for a tax stamp and then buy the necessary parts to SBR or SBS.

I think with full auto trigger groups, as long as you don't own both an auto sear you should be fine. Granted result may vary by states as well. And if you want lasting legal defense, contact and pay up for a real lawyer, not some random Anon on 4chan.

>>33447178
What about owning a pistol that has a rail and a foregrip separate but not owning any other firearms?

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>>33448077
Over all length still works for pistols. I have an ak pistol with a sig brace that has a long enough length to have a forward pistol grip

>>33445774
looks ok to me

>>33445143
I think a lot of us have guns that require modification to even use the fucking thing.

Like my AR has a shelf where the F/A guts WOULD go, and I sure as hell do not have a drill press to remove that with.

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>>33448777
trips confirm it is indeed OK

and to think i was gonna shoot your dog..
>>33445774

>>33445429

I wouldn't count on it.

It would be much more likely that they would all be destroyed specifically to keep them away from us.

>>33448800
kek

>>33448800
What is your dog tally anyway, if you don't mind my asking? Are breeds worth different points? It sounds like it would be amusing locker room banter to overhear

>>33445774

Kimmel (AP-9 maker) sold a horizontal foregrip that they used to sell. I think it was an extra $20 or $30 but I've only seen a couple in person over the years.

>>33449396
pitbulls are 10,
boxers 8
rottweilers 8
mostly everything else is 5
little runts are 3

most of the agents here are actually aware of the dog meme

I've actually only shot one dog, i tried my hardest to give it the benefit of the doubt until it chewed my leg,
needed stitches,
dogs still alive too,

>>33449709
How do I get into the ATF as a programmer?

legal

>>33445774
Does this gun actually work if full auto?

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>>33448800
^^^those god damn digits.
also;
>atf in with the bantz
pic related.

>>33452252
Tanks and bombs are totally legal only if deactivated or in the tank's case, plugged.
Homemade bombs may not be all that legal but the laws clearly don't prevent anything

>>33449709
Do you guys need to kill the dog to get points or do you just need to shoot it?

>>33445143
Yes it is legal to own, the ILLEGAL thing to own would be the lower receiver on the AR15 with the third hole drilled in.

>>33452408

I deleted it. I'm drunk and baiting and didn't get a reply.

The tank can be brought back into battle ready condition easily enough. Same with bombs. And Jesus Christ dude there's almost always a legal way for everything.

Something about our system of law is fucked or kept secret. Seriously, American institutions have studied and bought countless amounts of narcotics legally. Remember that senator involved in the arms trade arrested for selling rocket launchers or some shit?! I'd bet he had a lawyer telling him it was all good, now he's in shit!!

In all honesty there's too much confusion and progress is blocked by bad blood and ancient history. You can be thrown in a prison for bringing a lobster across state lines. I'm assuming EVERYTHING is illegal and we are all fucked until sanity prevails

>>33452594
Pipe bombs need a DD tax stamp to make them legal.

>>33452408
>Tanks and bombs are totally legal only if deactivated
Maybe research something before posting about it.
Totally legal if you have the stamp

>>33448800
Mr ATF man, is their anyway to get a tour of your agencies sweet reference vault? There are some videos on youtube but seeing it in person would be way cooler.

>>33448800
Can't believe it's legal to buy realistic looking badges

>>33446612
what does v, x and ct represent?
the fuck is being demonstrated here?

>>33446820
>A DIAS is the only way you're going to 'bubba' your AR-15 into being able to shoot full auto
Or you can file down the firing pin

>>33453252
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relativity_of_simultaneity

>>33445143
So what if I just bought an M16a1 kit online and then this? What are my chances of getting raided/having my dog shot?

>>33448800
Topkek. Do you have a cap of the thread?

>>33453288
:^))))
>>33454415
Virtually zero.