QTDDTOT

>>33443063
>QTDDTOT
that does deserve it's own thread you tard

>>33443081
I didn't think so, but what do you want me to do, remake the thread?

>>33443088
That, and never post in a qtddtot again. Always make your own thread so we're not shitted up constantly on the front page with /a/, /tv/ and /v/ bullshit.
Gun topics deserve their own threads above ANYTHING else on this board.

Would a Turkish Mauser bayonet fit on a German Mauser? And vice versa with a German bayonet? A friend has a (most likely) German Mauser and wants a bayonet for it, how specific do I have to get when looking for a bayonet? Also don't know Mauser model.

>>33443063
just get a draco pistol

Can anyone read this rebate page and tell me that I should have known that 9mm was not an eligible caliber for the rebate?

I just bought 800 rounds of 9mm and only after I fill out the form does it say that 9mm is not eligible.

WTF, Winchester?

>>33447671

I'm a dumbass, here's the link:

http://www.winchester.com/library/special-offers/Pages/2017-Centerfire-Rebate.aspx

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>>33443063
Romanian for barrel life.

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Are these observations correct /k/?

Any real reason I should get a 9mm Glock 17 Gen 4 over the Gen 3s? I've heard the Gen 3s are built better/more sturdy and the "enhanced" spring in the Gen 4 has no real benefit.

>>33447812
No, it's retarded reaching. A lot of it is explainable as weird angles and photo resolution.
I've also seen a bunch of noguns faggots claiming the butterball with the WASR's stock was upside down, proving they'd never seen an AK in person.

Legitimate question:
Which is MORE unbelievable?
>a group of radical anarchists and socialists who believe in the violent overthrow of the state dropped what money they could scrape together on guns/were loaned guns by comrades that could afford it
>a group of radical anarchists and socialists who believe in the violent overthrow of the stars spend what money they could scrape together on overpriced toys to pose with

Fuck off with the Alex Jones bullshit and accept that maybe some of those people on the left actually mean the things they say.

>>33447954
Thanks, glad I thought to check before I made myself look retarded

>>33447812
even airshits have separate receivers so it's just a shitty photo

>>33447812
The photo is honestly too low quality to really make out such small details.

The suppressor of the dude on the left makes me question strongly though. You don't just buy NFA items over night, and I just can't picture a turbo lefty having an NFA item just around.

Also the fact that Antifa people were literally passing around plans on their facebook groups to show up with airsoft guns in order to incite "over reactions" and play victim makes me think that is more likely than ultra lefties actually have fairly pricey firearms investments in those guns.

>>33448115
As a turbo lefty who just filed a Form 1 to SBR my AK let me assure you we do exist.

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Thoughts on the Winchester model 50? What's a reasonable price to get one for used if the condition's good, assuming it's a solid gun.

>>33448143
I don't know much about it specifically but I do know that Winchester in general and particularly their shotguns have a good reputation as long as they weren't manufactured between 1965 and the early 80s (though when they became good again tends to vary depending on who you ask. Some say the 70s, some say the 90s).

>>33448190
Thanks. I found one for about $250 in a local shop, and I'm considering it.

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.22 rimfire bolt rifles? What's the most reliable or accurate? Looking into CZ 452 but from what I've heard they're sorta uncommon since being discontinued and now they're CZ 455 which I've also heard aren't as reliable.

Can someone explain the federal restrictions on shotgun size? Is barrel length restricted, or only overall length? If the gun is collapsible, is the collapsed length restricted? Are these restrictions applied to rifles as well, or are they specific to shotguns? Anything else I should know?

>>33448573
There, is nothing particularly unreliable about the 455 rifles. Just fudds being fudds.

What is a Fudd, and what are some common traits?

>>33448573
CZ455s and 452s are practically the same rifle. They're both tiny Mauser actions.

>>33448129

You're spending a lot of money just to have your dream government take it away

>>33448671
Okay thanks, I'll probably pick one up for squirrels

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>>33448671
Yeah, the primary difference was the 455 action was designed to be easier to swap-caliber/rebarrel. They have versions that ship with both 17 and 22 barrels/actions from the factory.

>>33448631

It's just the barrel length

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>>33448631
>Can someone explain the federal restrictions on shotgun size? Is barrel length restricted, or only overall length?
Both are restricted.
OAL has to be >26"
Barrel length has to be >18"

>If the gun is collapsible, is the collapsed length restricted?
Yes, needs to be >26" OAL period.
>Are these restrictions applied to rifles as well, or are they specific to shotguns?
Yes but with rifles the barrel must be >16"

>Anything else I should know?
Hoooo boy. The NFA is dumb as fuck basically.

>Smoothbore barrel, manufactured with a stock
Shotgun. >18" barrel, >26" OAL
>Rifled barrel manufactured with a stock
See above
>Smoothbore barrel, manfactured without a stock but with an OAL >26"
Firearm, >26" OAL, ironically this applies to Mossberg 500 Cruisers, meaning as lonf as the OAL is >26", it can have a barrel <18"
BUT if you ever put a stock on it it is now permanently a shotgun and is subject to the barrel restriction
>Rifled barrel manufactured without a stock
Pistol, can be as short as you want but you can't put a stock on it
There are also Destructive Devices and Any Other Weapons which are big catch-all categories for stuff that slips through the cracks.
Silencers and automatic weapons are also in there

I don't plan on proofreading this so if anybody spots a mistake feel free to correct.

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>>33448690
I'm an anarchist, son.
My "dream government" is a community-level direct democracy where everybody is armed and there is no "state" to disarm the people, because the people are the state.

Let's not turn his into a /pol/ thread, how about?

Are there any magazines I can use for a p-83 other than trimmed makarov magazines? Hi point magazines were too wide, bersa/ppk magazines were too short. Are there any other single stack 380 magazines (maybe a extended ppk magazine) that I could try?

>>33448908
>needs to 26" oal period
I was under the impression that anything with a collapsing/folding stock was measured with such a device at its full extension. Also if the gun isn't fireable in its smaller form ( ala keltec sub2k or takedown), nothing about OAL applies.

>>33449082
You know, now that you mention it I'm not sure and I don't know if ATF rules specify whether or not they measure with a stock open or folded.

I just measured and my unfolder AK and it's exactly 26" folded, which I guess tells us exactly nothing...

>>33447940
>I've heard the Gen 3s are built better/more sturdy

nonsense

> the "enhanced" spring in the Gen 4 has no real benefit.

Eh, maybe true. But the better texture of the gen4, the larger mag release, and interchangable backstraps (if you care) give the gen4 an edge over the gen3. But either one is good.

>>33449165
I remember it came up in another thread awhile back and I tried to corroborate it using other forums and I came up mostly empty( most erred on the side of caution, some swore it was measured extended). And the measurement restrictions were fairly difficult to find on the atf website.
>tells us exactly nothing
It would tell us your doggo is safe for now anon

>>33443063
Whats a good handgun for lolis? I recently got one, says the slide is too hard to rack on 1911 and overall gun is too big on my 95dc and those the only two spare pistols i got

Found a Ruger Security Six 6" for $450 with only light holster wear. Is it worth it? Everything else is in fairly good shape.

>>33449082
>>33449165
>>33449261
Jesus Christ this took 10 seconds to figure out instead of postulating about it in a viennese watercolor arthouse.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Firearms_Act

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>>33449610
The text of the NFA doesn't specify that though. It's just the way the BATFE does it currently. In fact multiple state governments measure the gun collapsed to determine legality.
Basically all it takes is them deciding to change procedure and dead doggos for days.

>>33447671
Oh, idk, the fact the form doesn't list 9mm as an eligible caliber?

Should I sell my shotgun?
I bought a 200$ 870 clone out of hype more than anything, and because I was excited to get my first long gun. I told myself I'd set it up for home defense but I live in a small apartment and due to the recoil/blast/risk of stray pellets, I'd just grab my pistol for any HD scenario.
And for SHTF, which is remote anyway, I'd rather use a rifle for defense and a .22 for small game.

Did I fuck up? Should I cut my losses and sell the shotgun/ammo for a rifle and ammo? Or keep the shotty since I already have it and only spent $200?

>>33449835
Every firearms enthusiast should own at least one shotgun. It was $200 fucking dollars and you will get less than that back if you try to sell it.

Where can I get a stg 57/amt/pe 57 barrel in the US? Who is known to make them?

>>33449861
That's what I was thinking, just wanted feedback. Thanks

Does it cost anything to start a gunbroker account or to bid on gunbroker? I'm new to buying online, always bought from my LGS.

>>33449979
No, bought my first gun on gunbroker as a teenager, you just need an email account.

How long did we use the M60 tank? I had a buddy that drove one in the Gulf war

>>33448129
fake

>>33448661
After Elmer Fudd. normie hunters.

>>33447812

I dunno, but I would consider low ready to be brandishing. You can raise the barrel and start squeezing off rounds in under a second. I don't think the police would tolerate a person walking around with a handgun unholstered and in their hands, I'm not sure why this is acceptable.

I want to get a Makarov but unsure what I should be looking for? What's a good price range? Anything else that I should look for?

>>33449979
no. just a tip about gb, make sure you read carefully and look over the pics carefully. sometimes a seller will say give a generic blanket "see pics for condition-make sure to ask before bidding" instead of just listing specifics like blemishes or condition issues.

>>33448661
Buying a Norinco SKS for $100 USD and then dropping it in a plastic folding stock with a 30-round mag conversion and selling it on armslist for $500 USD.

>>33449187
As someone with a gen 4, and handled a gen 3, the bonus of the grip texture, mag release, and backstraps isn't a deal-breaker, but they are preferable. The backstraps are very nice, and make my Glock slightly less uncomfortable

>>33450928
It's an M92 I'm mounting a triangle folder on, don't get too excited.

>inb4 post pics of your NFA firearm that you're still waiting on paperwork for

What is that device/weapon they used in Vietnam that made it sound like a battle was going on? If I remember right it was made from pvc pipe and camo netting. There's a picture from some book of it floating around, and I swear it was called "Nightingale" but google turns up nothing relevant

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>>33443063

Yes, I own a SAM7SF, an M92 PAP and used to own a Draco. The M92 PAP has WAY better build quality than the Draco. Sights are also a lot better.


Now that I think about it, my SAM7 is mostly a range queen. The M92 is what I always take hog hunting because I can fold the brace in while jumping inna Polaris/pickup to find more hogs. My M92 is pretty damn accurate out at 100 yards with irons alone.


If you do buy a PAP, I very highly recommend a brace or stock. Also, be sure to dremel or file your sight picture. I opened my 100 meter sight (lol there's a 100 m & 500 m flip sights; ignore the numbers) substantially and it's great for up close work.


Do it! You won't regret it! The price is steadily going up. Got mine last year for $450. If you can get it sub-$600 nowadays, pounce.

>>33452472

btw this is before I bought a folding brace.

A buddy of mine gave me the brace for free but if you can SBR it -- go that route. Mine's just meant for killing shit and fucking around with 7.62.

>>33452348
I don't have an answer to your question, but upon looking for the answer, I stumbled upon this and wanted to share it.

http://pcf45.com/sealords/cuadai/wanderingsoul.html

In Vietnam, the locals believed that if the dead were not buried properly, they would roam the afterlife without rest, so the Americans took it upon themselves to create this tape to spook the enemy. Neat stuff.

>>33449594
If it's OTD, that's a decent price. You can get a bit less if you're patient and you're not dead-set on a 6" barrel, but 450 OTD's nothing to scoff at.

You in Colorado?

>>33451014

Bulgarian only

Check the finish & barrel.

Sub $400

>>33452348

Nightingale Device

>>33448573

CZ's are fucking awesome but if you want a neat and cheaper route, get a JW25a. It's a .22lr bolty based on the CZ but it looks like a Mauser. Pretty neat!

>>33448661

>heheh, jus let em hear ya rackin tha shotgun an ya wont have ta shoot no one!
>muh stoppin power
>we need to ban AR-15's, don't need them for huntin

>>33450736

They're mostly used for training anymore. Good friends with a doctor who was a former tanker

>>33443503
>>33443081

Go fuck yourself, you dolt. You're not the /k/ police and this is a solid thread. OP did nothing wrong.

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>>33448940

millenials have turned ideologies into the same tumblr-tier shit like their genders

>a community-level direct democracy where everybody is armed and there is no "state" to disarm the people

>mfw

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>>33443063

Is xtreme penetrator ammunition a gimmick? Also who makes the cheapest personal defense ammo for handguns?

>>33452490
>folding brace
Are there any that retain that triangle-stock Krink A E S T H E T I C?
Most braces look bad on an AK to be honest family, shaking my head.

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>>33452621
The ideology I'm describing is literally centuries old

>>33452635
Fuck yea that shit is a gimmick

>>33452684

wow whole centuries? thats nuts dude!!!

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>>33452757
Meaning that you attributing it to "millennials" is literally retarded.
You slow or something, boy?

Also >>33448940
>Let's not turn his into a /pol/ thread, how about?
So like, cut it out?

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>>33452666

Yeah man, the Galil Ace Brace is what I have on that image. You just cant see it because I wrapped it with a Russian tourniquet because it's a /comfy/ cheeki rest.

Don't get the fat ugly Sig Brace. The "blade" style braces are cool for tacticool. But if you're like me and wanted the traditional aesthetic without paying a fuckton of money for an SBR because you're cheap....

This fits the bill! $100 too.

>>33452809
That's the closest brace to an actual triangle Krink stock I've seen yet. Folds too, huh?

7/10 would bang.
Thanks anon. Might just pull the trigger on that tonight.

whats the bset way to move files from my old computer to my new one? i know this should be on /g/ but i didnt have a cool picture to make a thread with.

also, what should i do with my old laptop? make it into a media server, try to set it up as a router/firewall, shoot it? im not sure what would be the best option

>>33452517
No, SC. I'll probably try and talk it down to $425, but I doubt I'll walk over $25.

Has anyone actually gotten in trouble for shouldering one of those Sig braces? Are they actually practical to use as a stock?

>>33447812
these are wannabee communists, right?

Should I buy a Bulgarian Mak as a first pistol? I really like the look of it, and since I plan to go hiking and camping a lot, this seems like a desirable choice.

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are magpul d60's worth it?

>>33455252
i absolutely love my mak, you should get one now while they are fairly inexpensive.

>>33447812
Why are images like this always saved at like 60 percent quality? Facebook should fucking die as an image source.

>>33455252
Love mine. Its invincible. But its fairly primitive compared to other pistols of its time period. It's a barrel on frame, slide safety, 8rd single stack 9mm that is pretty light and thus has a pretty snappy kick. Not super accurate either.

They look cool and are invincible and go bang every time and spit 9mil.

If you that sounds good then yes do it. Also look into a p64 or cz75 or cz82.

>>33448940
Sounds good to me, lets just kick out the non whites first because communal security would require constant manpower and the will of security forces to protect more than their own families/shit, maintaining which force would require incentivization.
That basic stress would be amplified x1000000 with the presence of non-whites within or without and basically you just created a monopoly of force again

>>33448940
/pol/ is more concerned with leftist authoritarianism and race traitors.
That said if you ally with commies = you are a commie

>>33447812

jfc can we be done with that picture? every time it gets posted people keep screeching about fake guns, as if only WE are allowed to own real guns.

>>33456762
PROTIP: the people freaking out about it and claiming it's airshit don't own guns. That's why they're mad.

>>33456739
I had the same thought, that sounds cozy AF, if it was a homogeneous society. I recommend the book "The World Made by Hand", where this happens in the wake of a total economic collapse and the diverse parts of the country sink into drawn out conflict along racial lines. The town it is set in is spared because of its remoteness and all white citizenry.

Are there any aesthetic conversion kits for 10/22s that look decent and aren't ridiculously expensive?
I got one of the black polymer stock models because its all my LGS has, but now I'm really unhappy with it.

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Couple questions about NFA

Do I need to keep paperwork with an SBR?
What do I need to have engraved on an SBR receiver?

What happens with NFA registration if you move?

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Will a small-time gun store get annoyed if I call in daily to ask if a special order is in stock?

A friend hooked me up with a store that he's friendly with, and the owner got me a good deal on a new Glock 30SF, 2 mags and with free night sights for $520. He said It should have been in by Saturday or Monday. I called Yesterday and asked and he said "It should be in the next few days, Can I call you at this number when it comes in?" And he took my number.

I want to know if I should go to bed now, but I don't wanna get comfy only to be told it's in and I can get it. I work overnights and I'd like to be able to pick it up today or tomorrow, because from Thursday - April 5th I'll be almost unreachable

Also what's a good 45 self defense ammo that will work for a gun like the G30? This is my first .45 handgun.

>>33457749
If you have an NFA item, you are required to have paperwork for it with you at all times. You need the serial associated with the stamp filled, or for the trust. You need to let the ATF know. Then again, IANAL, so double check all that.

>>33457859
Really my primary concern with the moving bit was wondering if I needed my address engraved on the gun, if all I need is a Trust number then that's no big deal.

>>33457858
He'll call you. Don't be a sperg.
>tfw if someone pissed me off enough I would actually lie for a couple days after the order came in just to fuck with them
I do not miss working retail.

Buying hats:

I think my size is like 7 1/8

Can i get away with 7 1/2? Without it flying away?

For reference, my PC is 7 1/8, fits prefect, but I wanted the high speed boonie hat

>Tfw anonymous e6 so nobody will know how low speed I am

>>33451027
That's not a Fudd. That's a Bubba.

>>33457883
>tfw my dad never hit me and now I'm an adult who can't help but get super giddy and anxious in anticipation of things I'm hype for.

Thanks for the honest answer anon. I'll just sleep until tomorrow then.

Two point or single point slings? What are the pros and cons of them. I'm not sure which way I want to go with it. I like how single doesn't need as much fiddling to bring up the gun but I don't care for the bouncing around.

What is /k/'s thoughts?

Who is the toyota of gun makers?

>>33444752
Nigga, do you know how many types of Turkroach Mausers exist?

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How are new production Marlins, QC wise? I stopped payin attention in 2012 or so, but I've been wanting a lever action in .44 mag.

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>>33444752
>Would a Turkish Mauser bayonet fit on a German Mauser?
Generally no; Turkish Mausers, whether Ottoman-contract or Republic-era rebuilds use the Model 1890-pattern bayonet lug; the German Mausers use the Model 1898-pattern bayonet lug.

The Turks did have a lot of German Gew.98, Kar.98a and Czech Vz.98/22 rifles that have M98-pattern bayonet lugs and they had M98-pattern bayonets to fit them. Need pictures of both bayonet and rifle to determine if they're compatible.

>>33459571
Two-point in almost every situation.

>>33459571
I like convertible slings, generally using 2 point more. For holding the gun to your body and not being annoying, 2 point is the only way to go. Single point is nice for shooting around things or switching hands easily.

>>33460486
>>33460506

Fair enough for me, thanks. The one I got is a convertible sling but I'm already thinking 2 point will be the chosen style.

>>33452809
Does anyone have any info or a size comparison between the Galil and Century arm braces?

I wouldn't mind buying the Galil brace if it's longer, I just don't want to drop $100+ to experiment

Both are probably not good first gun choices, but which should I buy for my first gun: Smith & Wesson M29 or a CZ Vz 58 (California version because I'm in California)?

>>33460607
I can't speak in hard numbers but comparing pictures of the two mounted on M92s the Galil brace is longer, and looks comparable in length to a traditional triangle stock.

Since none of us would ever dream of shouldering such a weapon its utility as a stabilizing brace would depend on the length of your arm.

>>33460890
I do have rather long arms

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>>33452916

I went the opposite and got the pinned faux suppressor version.

While a real folder from a parts kit or something would be more ideal, this one is good enough for my needs. I think its a manticor folding stock, it just goes onto the flat pistol rear with two bolts.

>>33460871
>but which should I buy for my first gun: Smith & Wesson M29
Always start with a longarm.

>CZ Vz 58 (California version because I'm in California)?
I wouldn't get a stripper clip loaded fixed mag rifle as my first. Get something featureless instead. A pistol grip is far less valuable than a detachable magazine.

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>>33461822
>Manticore triangle
>Not superior CNCWarrior triangle
It's slightly cheaper, higher quality, and half the weight

I actually have the CNCWarrior stock, Stormwerks hinge and Krebs mounting block setup on my OPAP.

Is that one of the Atlantic carbines?

I mostly don't feel like dealing with the pinning and welding the fake can and potentially fucking it up.
All the pre-built options are stupid expensive IMO
>TFW CNCWarrior used to sell M92 carbines with a stock, folding mechanism, and fake can or barrel extension (your choice), with custom LoP for $750 and I couldn't afford it at the time

>>33461980

Yeah, it's one of Atlantic's. The red wood one, not the orange option.

>>33462057
Build quality on those is pretty good overall, yeah? I've heard nothing bad about them. Would you mind taking a picture of how the stock is mounted to the receiver? Did they just tap a flat-backed M92? iirc that was how CNCW mounted theirs.

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>>33462174
>>33461822
>it just goes onto the flat pistol rear with two bolts.
>pic related
I'd still appreciate a picture if you don't mind

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>>33462174

Yep, just mounted onto the flat back.

Quality wise, I haven't had any issues. The rail they put onto the top cover is polymer, kinda let me down on that, but it seems to work fine so far. There's no side mount plate on the gun, and the irons aren't excessively canted. I barely had to adjust them when I got it.

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>>33462358
> those boots
I like you

what does nd stand for
the d is discharge right?

>>33462849
Negligent discharge.

>>33462849
Negligent Discharge.
It's when you fire a round without meaning to because you weren't paying attention enough to use proper trigger safety.

Everybody gets one, and pray that that one doesn't kill anyone and that they learn from it.

>>33462911
pulling the trigger is not the only to discharge negligently
I watched my roommate put a hole in the drywall when he chambered a round after cleaning his .22 pistol, fingers nowhere near the trigger. I guess it was a really weak primer or a barely-stuck pin or it would have magdumped the whole thing.

>>33448129
You should kill yourself with it.

>>33448940
In your dream world what happens when an asshole like me decides I'm not playing by your fag rules and I break some laws. Who comes to stop me?

>>33463336
Anyone that feels like killing you.

Anyone have any idea what kind of wood was/is used on Romanian AKs

>>33463336
>Break the laws of a universally-armed community that has collectively decided to enforce agreed-upon laws via deadly force
Depends on what you mean by "break some laws."
>If you're a member of the community who doesn't like those laws and that's why you're violating them, free-association means you can leave whenever you want, because you had a voice in the process of making those rules and an ability to push to change them through the same processes that established them and instead chose to let them become law then broke them.
>If you're some dickhead rolling through violating the freedom, autonomy, or safety of members of the community then it's everyone's civic duty to put you up against a wall and put one through your dome.
It's not complicated.
:^)

>>33463791
New-production WASRs use beech with polyurethane finish.
Beech is a pretty common wood for gunstocks and especially "blond" wood. Birch is a really common wood for ComBloc guns as well.
I think the older Romy stuff is shellac over birch but I don't know for sure.

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Why has Colt bothered grinding the bayonet lugs off their Commandos since the 60s? A bayonet lug on a 16" carbine or a <14.5" SBR is superfluous (unless you're going to mount a Remington MCS), but it seems like a step that they could skip.

More or less decided to buy a Ruger AR556 as my first AR. LGS has it for less than I can get one online after shipping and transfer fees.
Any reason not to do this? Better options?

>>33464940
My buddy has one, it's a perfectly functional cheap rifle. Most of them are.

Would you consider owning a handgun with a rail necessary? What if you just have a shotgun with a light on it? I was talking with a friend about this, and he brought up the fact that a pistol is always better since you will be dialing police anyway.

The CZ P-10c coming out looks really nice, but still leaning towards a .17 hmr rifle next.

Does anyone know of a good custom barrel manufacturer that could make a new vz52 barrel in 7.62x39?

http://www.strawpoll.me/12622342

>>33465068
Not nessesary, but not bad for an HD pistol. I use my CC pistol as my HD and it doesn't have a rail. I use the old FBI flashlight rest technique and it surprisingly works well (I tried it on static lanes and in a timed shoothouse).

If you use a shotgun or other long gun for HD, I would tell you to look into bayonet techniques abd practice a bit. I'm not saying to mount a bayonet, but learn the moves- a gun barrel jabbing somebody's face is almost as good as stabbing, and being able to do the moves keeps somebody from tackling you from around a corner and getting the upperhand from taking away your ability to shoot.

Having some plan for lighting and havingg light discipline is mire important than having a specific kind of gear.

>>33466063
Those are some good points. What kind of flashlight do you use? I'm guessing you want something that's like 4 inches? The current flashlight I have now is roughly that but kind of thick to use for that technique I'd think, and it's not high on the lumens.

Who makes good flashlights for a reasonable price?

Thanks

>>33466083
I use a Surefire that is brighter than the freakin' sun. But I also got a bunch of cheapo LED lights around and they seem fine.

Length of the light doesn't really matter for the resting technique. Just get something with a rear pushbutton.

>>33466118
Alright thanks man

>>33447679
Did you read the form?

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>>33466118
Pic related is the technique by the way. There are multiple "FBI light techniques".

I will soon be moving across the country, my brother will be helping me move. I want to bring my firearms. Bro is a nonviolent felon. Can he be in the car with my firearms as long as I am present? I will be following federal safe passage laws: firearms and ammunition stored in separate locked containers in the trunk.

Otherwise I will leave them at home until I come back for them.

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What are the best sites to get gorka?
In English and with big selection

>>33466380
Probably best not to have them both in the car at the same time. And you don't have to go back for them, you can ship firearms to yourself across state lines (in most states) with UPS, but you have to be the stated recipeint.

>>33466418
good call on UPS, I forgot about that.

I've actually USPS'd a shotgun to myself across state lines and they made me ship it on next day air, cost about $60 lol. Definitely will go to UPS this time.

The only potential problem is that we're planning to make it into a two weeks trip, so if I mail them to myself then they'll arrive much earlier than I will.

>>33466468
nevermind, looked up online and I can choose the delivery date. thanks for the help

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>>33464920
yea they should have skipped that, you can get extended hilt bayonets though

>>33466550
>rails on the front sight block
hoo boy

>>33462736
Red Laces... 1488?

Moving into an apartment with my gf soon and she won't be happy until I get a handgun that she wants to use. She works at a shooting range and wants a beretta or glock 19 but idk. What's the most affordable, reliable handgun that is easy to use.

>>33466883
Why doesn't she get a handgun that she wants to use?

>>33466873
Fuck no.
kys

>>33466883
Glock is the easy answer.
Go take her to a range that has rentals and try a bunch of shit. See which you both like and go from there, if you want to be sure it's the one for you two.

>>33467024
Not supporting them, just curious m8.

>>33447954
I don't think they're broke, most of these people live off of mummy and daddy's money.

>>33448838
The way you have your rifles shoved in their aggravates my autism bone.

>>33468032
In that case, the assertion that they're airsoft is even MORE retarded because they'd just buy an AR with dad's Visa card.
Quit reaching. They're real guns. Get over it.

>>33467667
PROTIP: lace code is bullshit. Red laces "mean" about 10 different things depending on who is wearing them, and there's always a chance they mean fuck-all as well.
Even on a skinhead's boots red laces either mean they're claiming to have shed blood for the white power cause, or they're RASH, or a communist/anarchist SHARP, both of which believe it's their duty to kick Nazi teeth in.
I'm >>33448129 >>33448940 >>33464458 so you can guess where my sympathies lie on that spectrum.

>>33468409
So in this case it signifies that you are open to being assfucked by other men? Got it. Man you gays are always coming up with all of these fun little symbols and secret handshakes and such, so fun.

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Primary focus on hunting:
I'm thinking about Mossberg 500 or 835. Other alternatives have been Benelli Supernova and Remington 870 something.

Anyone willing to give their two cents on the subject? I do not have personal experience with any of these, and hey, if you know of some better alternative I'd be delighted to know.

>>33468480
I owned a Remington 870. The QC rumors are true. It sucked and the insides flaked with rust no matter how much I kept it oiled.

>>33466417
Ebay

>>33468595
Alright, thanks, that confirms things I've heard and significantly narrows my search down.

>>33468480
I have a Benelli Nova pump 12 I got second hand. I love that ugly bitch so much. Never had one issue. Cannot recommend enough, can probably be found cheap.

>>33447812
> 5.45 caliber "clamshell" AK drums do not exist
/k/ faggots are so noguns that they can't recognize an Arsenal SAM-7

Does STI employ Mexicans? Illegals?

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>>33468202
Nigga i ain't reaching, I'm fucking agreeing with you, holy shit chill.

I fucking am a liberal anyways, I just happen to really believe in the necessity of the second amendment, and I also love guns.

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How do I go about purchasing a nice M1 Garand? Mind you, I'm not really interested in some pristine wallhanger; I want something I can happily take to the range and have fun with it (AKA as long as it isn't a rusted, pitted mess that has chunks of wood missing or cracks).

Also, what's the deal with these "tanker" Garands that take .308 instead? Are they originals, or were they modified? Is it a bad thing if I purchase one of them for the sake of being able to feed it commonly found ammo?

whatever happened to /ak/ threads?

Would it hypothetically be possible to import an SVT in from Canada, presuming its been in the country for at least 5 years?

>>33459642
Probably Ruger, but S&W for semi auto pistols.

>>33456420
maybe

>>33456420
Mine has been working fine, but 40 round pmags are a way better value.

>>33443063
Since CA voted for background checks that will start in 2019, does that mean that 7.62x39 ammo will dry up and become expensive?
Since you won't be able to buy it online anymore?

I'm so worried, I just bought a rifle that fires the 7.62x39.

Someone please clarify for this poor soul living in a terrible place.

>inb4 "just move," I can't. Wifey will not even consider it. Also family here.

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Im going to make a 9mm or fuddy five rifle carbine over summer, when I do finish it is there any registration i need to do, outside of NFA Items?

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So I know its tula, but what do the other marks mean. One above the play button looks like a No

>>33470258
I sure do love living here in Nevada and buyingm ammo without stupid background checks of any kind. Sorry I can't think of any solution for you. If only you could buy ammo in Nevada like me.

>>33443063
I bought an M92 to SBR, it was going to be a pain in the ass so I just ended up buying a receiver and making my own pistol, then SBRing it. I still have the M92, it's cool and all, but wasn't worth building on to me. I also have a suppressor and the threading was going to be annoying if I remember right.

>>33470753
What the fuck was the point of even answering me then?

Trying to be petty and smug?

>>33468480
The "late model" remington 870 is trash.

I own one and have modified it to make it run, but that doesn't fix the poor fit and finish issues.

Buy and older 870, Ithica 37 or go with either Mossberg model.

>>33470816
IF ONLY YOU COULD BUY AMMO IN NEVADA.

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Local pawn shop has a Hi-Point 995TS equipped with the ATI CX4-lookalike stock for $250 and I'm really tempted to go in tomorrow and grab it.

It would be the first gun that I've personally owned, thoughts?

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>>33470835
>What is the CHP
>What are contraband checks when crossing state lines
>What is breaking state law

>>33471056
>contraband checks when crossing state lines

What? There aren't customs officers between states, you just drive across state lines. This is the USA, not Europe.

>>33471056
>contraband check

The Donner CHP crossing is a literal joke and a waste of taxpayer money. All they do is stand there and wave you through.

Steel muzzle device on steel barrel doesn't need anti-seize grease, but what about titanium on steel?

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good deal?

>>33471547
What's wrong with Wolf Gold?

Hey anons, Should I buy some body armor? I do some shtf kind of prepping but also work in areas that require it.

I'm talking SPAI level 3s so it's not concealed, which isnt a big deal. 200 bucks for two plates, trauma pads and a carrier. Is this a decent deal?

>>33471547
http://ammoseek.com/ammo/5.56x45mm-nato

>>33471056

>contraband checks
Fucking commies.

>>33471350
As linked here
https://mechguru.com/machine-design/typical-coefficient-of-friction-values-for-common-materials/
It looks like it may be a good idea. Althought the force required to cause any scratching is fairly high, that means that when you do have to remove it it'll wear. I had some stuff specifically for this, it was like airplane grease I used on the buffer tube of an ar... Sorry I don't recall and it's lost somewhere.

But in short yes I would apply some just for good measure. Unless it's in a pressurized place like a gastube or key, then probably no.

>>33471587
damn dude thank you

>>33471609
>>33471350
Hey I found it
http://pilotshq.com/aeroshell-33ms64-extreme-pressure-grease-mil-21164d-14oz-p-1894.html
You only need a tiny bit so see if you can find it in a small amount unless you work with heavy machinery.

>>33470743
>No
Literally means "Nombre" or "Number" in French. It's a legacy of the French contribution to setting up Mosin production at Tula. You'll see it on all the Chatellerault-made Mosins too.

One of my coworkers is offering me his Springfield XDm for $360
This includes a carrying case, two magazines (one of them 6 and the other 12 iirc)
Is this a good deal? I'm heavily considering it. Its not hot or anything either, its registered and everything.

>>33472304
>Springfield XDm $360
That's not bad at all. I'm almost inclined to think there was something wrong with it.

>>33472304
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>>33472324
>>33472332
I think I might just do it. I shot one at my local range (i think it might've been just the XD but Ill ask my coworker if I could take it for a couple rounds before making any hard decisions)

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What's a good IWB holster for a Glock 19? Is the Blade-Tech Industries Klipt any good? Bonus points if the holster works for appendix carry and 3-5 o'clock.

>>33472123
What about the play button and the upside-down triangle things?

Got a couple dumb questions.

1)Are .32 and .380 decent carry rounds, and which is better?

2)anybody have experience with Berretta 70/70S?

>>33473040
Google "Mosin stamps" It should bring up someplace called 54R.net. Go there.

>>33474041
They're both alright. Just get a suped up fmj round for carry. Leigh came out with some screwdriver bullets for defense ammo, but they are a little low on the pressure side. Fiocci typically loads their stuff a little hot. At least with my experiences with their .32. But make sure you're not shooting it out of an old gun because most old .32s weren't designed for high pressure ammunition.

>>33474041
>1)Are .32 and .380 decent carry rounds
They'll kill a guy if that's what you're asking.
>and which is better?
.380. Personally I wouldn't go smaller than that.
>2)anybody have experience with Berretta 70/70S?
Nope

What exactly does the Army's Asymeteric Warfare Group do? The website is full of a lot of obscuring gooblygook talk, and I can't tell if these guys are operator or not. The pictures they have of training look operator, but there are no photos of them in the wild.

>>33474041
.380 isn't big enough, nor is .32. My buddy who worked as a cop for 35 years basically said he wouldn't be caught dead carrying anything less than 9mm+p. "I would not trust a .380's potential to put down a man with one shot"

Really wanting to get into the mp5 world. I see there are two main repro companies on atlantic, zenith and omega. Seems like the omega takes all the guess work out of doing an SBR and keeping with 922r compliance.

Does anyone own either and have any pros/cons about either company?

>>33476097
That most self-defense shootings end in 2 shots is owed to the fact that bullets kill things, not because everyone only brings 2 bullets.
One-stop shot capability is only a single factor in choosing a carry handgun. Size, recoil, comfort, how often you can practice, cost of practice ammo, and more all play a much larger role in an effective carry gun selection, since all of these determine how well you will be able to manipulate your carry piece.
I'd take any calibre I can effectively pull off a Mozambique Drill with, consistently

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When using a 25m zero target for the M16A2 on a range where there are only target stands at the 25 yd mark for example, where would my group need to be in relation to my aiming point in order to be zeroed for meters?

>>33476088
They do a lot of testing for TRADOC that has an effect on the operating forces a whole. The unit itself isnt "operator" but is usually made up of highly experienced dudes, many of them SF.

>>33466417
Grey-shop

It's there any reason why my grandmother shouldn't carry a walther pk380? She's not married to the gun, but it's the only one we've found so far that she can operate the slide of.

what is a good first gun just for fun? under 500$ would be best

>>33478377
A lot of people will say Ruger 10/22 but in my experience the fit and finish is SHIT and makes tooling about with the gun a headache - and a .22 is just a .22, only really good for plinking.

Get a 12 gauge, Remington 870 or Mossberg. Police trade-ins are a good place to look for cheap ones. Good for plinking, hunting, trap, etc. If you can't handle a 12, Remington makes a nice 20ga

If a body is found in a National Park or other federal-owned land, is the investigation handled by the Feds or Local LEO?

>>33478467
BLM and USFS have their own LEOs so I assume it would be them working with local cops.

>>33478706
Is there any situation where Jurisdiction would go directly to the FBI, or would that need to be on a by-case basis?
It's for a story I'm working on, I want to get some facts semi-straight and not play full Criminal Minds.

>>33478742
If terrorism is suspected, or they have reason to believe its connected to other crimes committed outside the state.

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when it comes to free float handguards, is midwest industries any good? pic related

>>33474048
It did not say. I already looked there before asking.

>>33443063
Why is /k/ "weapons." Someone asked me this, and I realized I didn't actually know despite coming here for 7 or 8 years

>>33479190
There's other sites beside 54r.net

>>33478377
a beater sks if you can find one for ~350ish

What are legitimate reasons a PTR is a bad first rifle.

Money on ammunition is no object and I have sufficient ranges to shoot at a respectable distance.

>inb4 AR shills

>>33457923
> my dad never hit me
Thanks for recognizing the problem. If only I could make the schools understand that I'm doing it for my kids own good so they never sperg out like you I can go a month without talking to a social worker.

>>33478377
>>33479482
At this point you can get a decent AR15 for less than a decent SKS.

>>33478457
Used shotguns make GOAT first firearms but in general stay away from Remington unless you know the age and it's more than a decade old. The QC issues aren't a meme.

>>33479749
true but i wouldnt say an ar is a great first gun

>>33449979
It's $1. Ignore those idiots.

>>33479163
First gen, no, it's trash.
Second and third are OK.

>>33449979
dont forget about ffl transfers. you can just go to most gun stores websites and have them ship the gun to an ffl near you.

Can i just swap out different length uppers for an ar10 without getting into trouble? what if I register it as an sbr can I use normal length barrels sometimes but then change it out other times?

$299 for a Thompson Center contender with 45/410 and 30-30 barrels. Ye or nay?

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I've been learning more about the operation of various guns, but there's only so much I can figure out by watching animations online. I don't want to ruin stuff I already own, so what's a cheap but fairly complex firearm I can buy to take apart and put back together? I've got a set of decent screwdrivers as well as punches, brass hammer, etc.

Right now I'm looking at post-64 Winchester 94s, as they are common and cheap. Another are old Browning Auto-5s. Whatever it is, I'll look for things in NRA fair to good so I don't screw up anything nice or rare.

>>33469766
It's possible assuming you can prove it with paperwork. Unfortunately by the time you were done with the import procedure it would cost as much as the ones in the US.

How many rounds do they shoot at the factory?
I just bought a new LCP2 and the barrel is dirty like its been shot a lot, and the firing pin block face has brass remnants and stains like its been fired a lot.

Am I just being overly critical?
The buying experience from this particular shop has been pretty bad.

>>33480943
Depends on the company. Some shoot a full mag or two, some shoot only 3-5 rounds.

>>33479491
if money is no object there really isn't a bad first gun.
Although I don't know why you'd buy a Pretty Trash Rifle when you could a Fully Awesome Longgun instead, if money is no object.

I turned 21 a few months back and am looking at buying my first firearm this summer, should I buy a ccw or an ar first? I want both but being a college student can't justifiably buy both right away. Will probably have a budget of $600 - $800, so either is doable with some bulk ammo to practice while I'm home.

>>33481630
CCW, then look at an AR later on.

>>33481630
>>33481753
Rifle first. Always a long arm first.

>>33481630
Buy 10/22 and carry pistol.

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>>33481753
>>33482101
Thinking about it some more, I think the ccw would be the best right now. I'll be living in a comfy college town apartment for the next year and half, but I would feel a lot better starting to train with a handgun now since I don't have as much experience as with long guns. Plus I still live with my parents when I'm away from school, and they're not too keen on "assault rifles" despite my Dad being pretty into collecting WWII rifles and shooting in general.

Think I'll go with the ccw first and get an ar after graduation. I definitely understand the longarm first sentiment but without a home or family of my own to defend yet I feel like something to protect my person is more important right now.

>>33482239
10/22's are pretty cool and I'd love to get one eventually, but we've got plenty of bolt-action .22's at home for varmints and plinking, and I'm pretty well acquainted with long guns thanks to Pops, so I'd rather put the money into more ammo for practicing with a ccw than buying another firearm.

Thanks for the responses guys, I've been thinking about this a lot lately and it's great to have some input.

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Are there any reasons to buy or not to buy an "over-and-under" shotgun, and if I should get one, is there a recommended one? I really dont know anything about them

>>33482569
Shooting Trap and Skeet

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Anybody know where I can get a surplus M203 handguard? Ideally without the leaf sight.

>>33482631
The internet.

Does anyone make Beretta 92 extended slide releases?
If not, would I be able to have a smith to machine one for me from scratch or from an existing slide release, and how much would custom parts like that cost?

>>33482569
Shooting clays like >>33482607 said, along with other general shotgun things. I got some chamber inserts for my O/U (to shoot pistol rounds and smaller shotgun shells), which is pretty fun, if not particularly useful.

As for recommended ones, Browning Citori, Cynergy and Beretta Silver Pigeon are reliable and long-lasting. Budget 1500-2000 for new.

>>33452472
>Do it! You won't regret it! The price is steadily going up. Got mine last year for $450. If you can get it sub-$600 nowadays, pounce.

This is wrong.
M92's get imported ONCE a year. Zastava send a huge fucking batch stateside and they are divvied up from there.
The import them around October to cash in on the big firearms buying holidays. The reason the price goes up the rest of the year is because everyones stock gets low and nowbody has them for "X" more amount of months.

>>33482786
Do you have a source on that?

>>33482809
No, I don't.
I heard about it from an Atlantic Firearms rep at SHOT two years ago when M92s were selling like hotcakes.

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What's the legality of carving a fore-grip for my akm? Does it vary state by state? In ohio btw

>>33482853
Not necessarily saying I don't believe you, mind.

It would make more sense to me that Atlantic orders one batch of M92s/year and parcels them out through the year, rather than Zastava sending one bulk shipment to the US/year that all vendors parcel out, which was my read on your post.
I'd guess that at least part of it is just the general price creep of SlavShit the last five years.
Still valuable info re: Atlantic

>>33483686
Shouldn't matter at all unless your AK is legally a pistol.

>>33483731
oh neat. thanks.

I don't suppose there would be any problems if i wanted to make a bunch and send them to friends across the country then?

>>33483815
It's literally just a piece of wood until it's on the gun anon.

Not too interested in an AR/AK for a first rifle, are the Inland M1 carbines good for plinking/innawoodsing? Kind of really want that paratrooper model.

What's a good weapon light for a poorfag?

>>33484576
>m1 carbine
If it's your first gun just get an SKS or something, M1 carbine is pretty much a meme with their excessive price and special snowflake ammo for what is essentially an 80 year old pistol calibre carbine. I can't imagine wanting one for anything besides collecting, and at that price I can't imagine wanting a new-production one at all. I totally understand not wanting an AR/AK; I think an SKS perfectly captures the fun and "feel" of an old-school wooden stock gun while being cheap to buy and shoot. The yugos are ~$450 fresh out of cosmoline and they'll never get any cheaper, there's no reason not to own one.

t. sks fanboy

>>33443063
Are movie blanks the same thing as m200 mil-spec blanks for use in the Xproducts Can Cannon?

Is it legal for high schools in America to have indoor shooting range, or does it depend on states?

So two shotguns I inherited were apparently used by another family member years ago to shoot some skeet one day and he never cleaned them and the lead residue has been sitting in there for over half a decade.

Are the barrels ruined at all or should they be okay? They're nice shotguns and one is some limited edition by Browning in the 80's, but can't tell what model it is since it's not on there and doesn't look like anything they still produce.

I understand that Taurus is a shitty brand, but will someone please talk me out of buying a Judge as a snake gun?

I spend a lot of time in the woods and around ponds, and I absolutely hate snakes. Just seeing a snake can ruin a day of fishing for me. I dont see anything wrong with keeping a judge on my hip when im fishing or hiking and blasting the shit out of snakes with 410 birdshot. But i also dont know if thats a really stupid idea and dont want you guys to bully me.

Thoughts?

>>33443063
Are the korean AK drums any good? I'm going to a gun show tomorrow, and am thinking about getting one.

So, I have the opportunity to buy a USP Expert.45 for $870. I really want it, but I don't necessarily need it. I already have a Mark 23, and I need to get into the habit of saving money. I've been wanting to get a computer for a while, but haven't gotten around to it. Still, $870 is a pretty good deal. What would you guys do?

is this a good deal?
https://www.impactguns.com/core15-m4-scout-ar15-556223-16in-barrel-black-hard-coat-30-rd-mft-mag-707137964846.aspx

>>33486800
When in doubt buy gun. Plus if you do need to sell it in the future (Don't sell your guns you nigger) you'll make a profit no doubt.

can I use 7.62x51 in a .308 rifle?

>>33450044
>>33449979
>>33480564
it costs $1 if you use a free email service
and they require proof of ID, so it also costs you your time.

>>33485839

Clean them and see. Probably fine, I'd be more concerned about them having rust fingerprints in the bluing from being touched.

>>33484869

My experience with x39 blanks (golf ball launcher) are that military grenade launching blanks were 'hotter' than the commercial blanks, and the commercial ones had more flash.

>>33486581
I think you need to calm down. they're more afraid of you that you are of them.

>>33487309
No. I fucking hate them. They're unnatural beasts and they're terrifying. I dont want them at my pond and I will kill them all, one way or another.

Is a Judge a viable way to do this? I cant be carrying a full size shotgun with me, and they're shifty as fuck so I want a scattergun for them.

>>33487352
Nah, if you have one under your porch that won't leave then 410 it's ass, or if you've got kids and its on your property then 410 it's ass but other than that they're some pretty cool creatures to bump into when you're inna

>>33487395
So in your opinion, a judge is a decent snake gun then, yes?

Noguns with an interest in gun design, because reasons.

For a given commonly used calibre (eg. .223 or .308), how standardised are the barrel thread sizes, especially on manual actions like a bolt action rifle?

I get the impression that there is no one standard, but are there just a few different ones (eg. most American receivers would have X type, most European receivers have Y type, maybe Sako and Tikka have Z type)? Or are they literally different across all brands, and perhaps even models?

Note: not really interested in barrels for gas-operated actions, because reasons, although I imagine AR/AK platform barrels are more standardised generally.

Does anybody have a source for the development of the M16 stating that the original models issued to troops for consideration had chrome lined barrels? All I can find is that McNamara vetod improving it with chrome lined barrels, nothing saying the original issued models had it.

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Did anyone ever tried the PPU GROM bullets?

I bought a bunch of them since it's the only 8x60s ammo that doesn't cost a fucking kidney per round.

Is it any good for hunting common game? Like better than softpoint?

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>>33447707
>underfolder
gross

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>>33447707
>>33489679
standard trunnion and fixed or wire sidefolder

>>33447812
>SAM-7 is 5.45
wrong, 7.62x39 and looks like a crappy rear loading drum
>mag angle
photo angle
>no seperation in the receiver
not enough resolution to see the line and you can almost see the slight difference in the color of the anodizing

the guns look plenty real to me
the bit about 5.45 AKs really gets me since it's clear whoever made that image knows very little about AKs
any retard who's been in /akg/ for 30 minutes could have identified that as a SAM-7

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>>33443081
>>33443503

>this faggot

>>33487452

Per manufacturer and model, probably, but my experience is limited. I've only built one and it was a "small ring" surplus Mauser receiver that I bought a new barrel for.

And AR barrels are slip fit, then a barrel nut tightens against the threads on the outside of the receiver. AK barrels are pressed in and then pinned.

Unless you mean muzzle threads for flash hiders, brakes, or suppressors. Those are pretty standard.

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What's the point of a two stage trigger on a self loading pistol? Is it just so you can have it holstered with the hammer down and a round in the chamber.

>>33489866
do you mean a semi-auto with a trigger safety i.e. Glock, or a DA/SA pistol?

>>33443063
Is Glock 19 a meme? Should I get that or a p320 compact or CZ P01? I'm /nogunz/

>>33486585
they shit, buy romanian backloader or top loaders

>>33487246
yes

>>33471079
I see you haven't entered California

I have an AR with a 20" barrel, rifle length of course. If I wanted to prevent short stroking (as it does with .223, and nearly does with some 5.56, resulting in the bolt not always locking open) I would want a lighter buffer, right?
I'm using a carbine length spring.

>>33447954
>>a group of radical anarchists and socialists who believe in the violent overthrow of the state dropped what money they could scrape together on guns/were loaned guns by comrades that could afford it
This one is more unbelievable, honestly. THey don't care about facts, only appearances and feelings.

I'm looking at a P90, new in the box, Special Edition with FNH factory red dot, for $1599. It's at a LGS here.

Any idea if that is a decent price?

Those are scarce enough on the web, I can't get a good sense of what it should go for.

Looking to get a Lee-Enfield No.4 Mk1. I'm reading online that Wolf ammo is shit and keyholes. Where online can I buy ammo for a relatively cheap price. By cheap I'm hoping for less than 80 cents per round.

i'm looking to get into guns as a hobby and want to buy the most practical/rugged stuff first for a SHTF type scenario and home defense. right now all i have is a sig p226 and a ruger 10/22. what other guns should i get?

>>33491888
http://www.gunbot.net/ammo/rifle/303brit/

>>33492858
Anything you can buy from a reputable dealer with no obvious quality control issues (so Marlin, Remington and Taurus of certain timeframes are out the window) is going to be "rugged" enough that it shouldn't break.

As for what you should buy, without knowing what you're actually intending to use it for it's hard to say. For a general arsenal I'd recommend either a 12ga (an older Remington 870 or modern Mossberg) or an AR\AK pattern rifle of decent quality. If you want to tacticool it out go for an AR.

>>33484901
All American schools are considered federal "Gun Free Zones", you can't have any firearms within a few hundred feet of any public school campus unless you're an LEO or etc.
So no, you can't have an indoor firing range

>>33447812
That drum magazine is absolutely air shit. I own 7.62 Chinese, old-romanian top load, and AR-15 chinese drums. None look like that.

>>33489703
Not even top load romanian drums angle that much. Chinese have zero angle, be it AR-15 or AKM.

I'm not sure of the other guns, but that one is 100% air shit.

t. i own all those drums.

>>33493121
yeah i basically just want a general arsenal of stuff that might come in handy one day before i start buying range toys and collectible stuff. i'll probably get a mossberg 500 combo next and a psa ar-15 during black friday. maybe some kind of high caliber precision rifle too like an sks or mosin nagant although i'm not sure if they're still the best options at their current prices. might be better to go with a ruger american in like .308 or something instead

>>33469547
CMP program, look into it thats how I got mine. If you want one you can shoot the hell out of look at their special line up, its rebuilt barrel and stock.

Is there a non flip mount for the vortext vmx3r?

>>33479491
PTR's are good. I love mine. Most of the people trashing it are because A) it's cheaper that their chosen battle gat, or B) they are blind fan boys of their chosen battle gat.

In fact, this logic applies to like 90% of the stuff /k/ doesn;t like.

>>33493173
Then was there an year when indoor shooting range was legal, before school became gun-free?

Also, are teachers allowed to carry firearms to prevent school shooting, or is that still in debate?

>>33482722
Wilson Combat does

>>33484901
we had an indoor shooting range at my highschool and a rifle team from our JROTC but im from podunk, Ga

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>>33489743
>>33443081
Fucking idiot, I'll bump you OP.

Also, an M92 for 1k would be a certainly solid choice, if you can find one.

I'd prefer myself an AR SBR but that's just opinion, an M92 will serve you just fine.

>>33449890
Message a gunsmith, if the stg 57 uses fluted barrel then it might be harder. You'll be looking at a 200ish dollar price range I imagine

Does that animation I see in some games where the player character will get a new mag, take out the old mag, and put the new mag in the gun while holding both mags in his support hand have any basis in reality?

>>33487282
I haven't shot them yet, but after cleaning them I don't know if there's anything wrong with it or not. Not really sure what to look for for telltale signs. I just heard leaving guns uncleaned for long periods of time could ruin a barrel, I don't know if that means after a lot of rounds/shells or even just taking it out once and not cleaning it for years.

>>33493457
that's all they have left anymore. Definitely the most straightforward option though: send CMP $830 and they mail you a very functional rifle.

>>33493876
mfw some1 local is selling one 475
>rather have a draco

Since this thread is around

I'm putting together an XM16E1 upper. While I wait 8+ months to get the right lower from Nodak Spud, what's the best color match to the Colt/XM Grey Nodak Upeers that I can paint a spare A2 lower in?

Also where the fuck do I find an early type butt plate without a trap door? all I can find are A1 and A2. I literally have everything else, but this is triggering my autism.

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>>33476437
It is a negligible difference.
25m= 27yards
1m = 3ft
1yard = 3ft

>>33479288
k for kill

What's the law on me, a Virginia resident, going to a gunshow in Tennessee and buying a long gun from a private seller?

So /k/ Today I finished my polymer 80 glock lower 80% build and everything seems to be in the right places but when pulling the slide back dryfiring and then pulling it back again it seems like the trigger is being pulled by itself if that makes sense. I can see it move as the slide goes forward and then it seems to go forward like its going to be fireable but then clicks like it was fired. looking for any advice if it helps its a glock 19 upper.

>>33495769
why do you need to go to Tennessee?