PCC's

>>33441672
Everything is a meme. There is no escaping.

>>33441672
Minorities seem to like them.

>>33441672
Not really. I used to dislike them a bit for not being full auto, but with the right size barrel you can gain a significant energy gain over a pistol, making even 9mm a much more lethal and capable cartridge. I'd kill for a sweet semi auto .357 with a 16 inch barrel

What's that middle Tan carbine?

I like how that looks. Is it a Magtech?

>>33441677
Checked

Aside from saving money plinking at the range, I think they're pointless in their neutered civilian forms.

They're more interesting with hotter rounds.
>.357 and .44 magnum lever guns
>10mm semi autos
I wish lelkek made the sub2k in 10mm.

>>33441740
I wish Ruger would make it's 10/22 series in a large variety of calibers. I know they used to make those .44 carbines, but it'd be sweet if they did them in 10mm, 5.7, etc...Put 30 round mag in it and call it a day

I want a keltec sub2k that takes glock mags. I don't care if it's a meme or not. It's something I need.

>>33441723
it's a feather at-9, you newfag dipshit.

and they are known to be as shit as you are stupid.

Can anyone I'd the tan/green gun?
I need one in my life

>>33441754
I want 5.7 to replace. 22lr in general so rimfire can finally fucking die. Centerfire is so much nicer.

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>>33441718
PoC's like PCC's?

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>>33441755
or you could just get one of these for your Glock

>>33441754
ruger made what was essentially the 10/22 in .44 magnum, then in 9mm and .40s&w. they dropped them though, while they still make the piece of shit mini-14.

>>33441787
Yah I remember those old carbines, PC9 or something. They need to reboot them in multi calibers, interchanging barrels and 30 round mags. If anyone will do it it's based Ruger

>>33441719
every gun is not full auto if you aren't rich as fuck.
unless you live in iraq or some shit

>>33441778
I'll look into it, thanks. I like the sub2k because it folds up. I like the idea of taking it camping like that.

>>33441771
I'd rather it be 9mm.

If I could get 9mm for a price roughly around 22lr I'd be stupid happy.

>>33441803
Yah I know but I've shot quite a few SMGs. It's kinda like banging without a condom, then trying to go back to a condom it just feels ....lesser

>>33441766
Feather RAV-9

I have an older version and they suck dick.

>>33441787
>Mini-14
>Shit.
In the trash it goes.

My keltec s2k is a tack driver.

I mean its a fun gun and in a pinch can save your life.

Not really anything wrong with it.

Downsides are;

The entire thing is only rated for 6000 rounds. Not the barrel. The whole gun. Says so on kel tecs site.

It gets fucking dirty.

>>33441672
>meme
underage detected, fuck I wish the tsunami of retards that came here in 2012 would just die

>>33443419
Maybe kill yourself

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How about a mares leg in 357mag or 44mag ? Anyone have one ?

Or is the 30-30 version just better ?

>>33441776
the word is niggers

>>33443434
Novelty is one thing, but these are just too much.

Would not own/10

>>33441763
What an asshole

>>33443430
wow nice meme xD

>>33443444
Not even for novelty purposes. This was just the first image from Google. Any maker's mares leg in general ?

>>33441763
Yeah dude you're a fucking prick

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>>33441672
No, they are a good time. Got several more in mind I'd like to have or build.

What is that green one with the wire stock?

>>33443474
Called a feather at9

>>33443469
There might be an Italian repro that is decent quality. The brazilian guns will be shit, obviously.

>>33441755
So buy one

>>33443492
Thanks. I should have read the thread first before asking. Looks neat, appears to be unobtanium

Why aren't there any companies pumping out cheap tube guns? I don't want to go through the trouble of building a STEN.

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>>33441763
be nice to the newfriend

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Not technically a pistol caliber carbine. And it is fun as fuck you shoot

>>33441763
>someone doesn't know about an obscure gun
>better be hateful and bitter to him
i bet you're fun at parties

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I want a 9mm kel tec sub 2000 gen 2 but i can't find one

>>33441672
No. They're the most useful thing for the law abiding.

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I posted in a different active thread bit here works too. My pccs. I love yhem. There are better guns for most purposes but you should have other guns anyway

>>33446069
I'm trying to sell mine, LNIB. I want to upgrade to a 9mm AR.
Location?

147gr 9mm out of a 16" barrel needs no earpro.

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>>33441672

No

They're G O D L I K E

>>33446069

Can't you just ask your LGS to order one?

>>33446433
Its not painful for a few shots, but it's still fucking loud. It's right on the edge.

>>33446462
I wasn't the one shooting, but that wasn't my experience.

would love to get a CZ Scorpion pistol and SBR and suppress it.

Anyone have one of those?

>>33446502
Had one, sold it while cycling through guns.

Bought to buy another to do just that

loved it.

>>33443434
range toy only. if you want a useful gun, get a trapper model

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>>33441763
Don't let the carebears break your stride, let the hate flow through you, brother!

>>33441771

Fuck you rim fire is cheap

>>33441771
This is a ridiculously stupid opinion.

>>33441771
>I want a proprietary cartridge that was designed to use armor piercing bullets which aren't for sale to the general public to replace the world's most popular recreational shooting round

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>>33446098
>Suomi
Tried my hand at building one from parts and a 100% receiver. I paid for a tax stamp because I didn't want that barrel extension, had a guy work on the bolt/FCG, it's been a year and a half, he still bothers to write me back, he's just backlogged.
MFW the fucking feds have a quicker turn around than this gunsmith

>>33443474
I like the invisible receiver on the uzi

>>33448545
They are super easy to cut from the tnw guns

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>>33441677
Only death offers sweet escape from dank memes

>>33441719
its called an m1 carbine bro.
same energy as a 357. i shot a big buck last year with softpoints and it went through 3 ribs and a shoulder and exited the other side at 90 yards

>>33448721
That's what I should have done, I was trying to build mine from a kit.

>>33446609
The AP isn't for sale directly through FN, nor is FN the only manufacturer of the cartridge. While I don't agree with him, the only downside to his suggestion would be the size of the guns. We're it to legit replace .22lr, that would mean it's widely available,dirt cheap and available in a shitload of guns while also being more reliable for just about everything.

The P90 is blowback ffs

>>33450664
FN is the only manufacturer of AP rounds for it.

The widely-commercially-available rounds blow dick at killing things larger than stray cats. The Vmax bullets don't penetrate enough (~4" of bare gel from a PS90 with 16" barrel), the AE FMJ's don't expand or tumble at all and overpenetrate like a motherfucker (>30" in bare gel from 5" barrel), the FN 28gr leadfrees don't do either.

>>33441732
Lower recoil impulse, easier to supress, comanality of controls(AR ones that is), acceptable for most indoor ranges, cheaper as you already said. I have a Rock River to start my kids/wife off with(6 people)and it worked well for that.

>>33441799
Agreed. If Ruger re-released these with some simple mods, it would be fucking H-U-G-E!

Modular stock, EBR, 9mm, .40S&W, .45cal, etc. It would be insane.

The stuff that's currently out there is complete shit- High points, Sub2000 (I have one in .40),- the one that are well regarded like the Ruger Police Carbines and the Marlins have risen to incredible prices.

>>33451026
I'll add a caveat to that.
>the sub-$1000 ones are complete shit
The $1000+ ones are at least decent, with some being very good. But they're $1000+ for what will only ever be appropriate for a range toy until someone produces one suitable for hunting.

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meems

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>are pistol caliber carbines a meme?
No. Next time make this a QTDDTOT, a thread died for this dumb fuck one

>>33443497
No, the Brazilian ones are rough at most. A bit of action work, and it's fine. Thing is built like a tank and I load mine eith some pretty stout rounds

>>33451020
I thought I had remembered people loading .223 bullets into the 5.7 case. Is this still a thing? I'm sure its not ideal for accuracy, but I bet you'd at least be able to get a decent bullet in there.

>>33451847
They literally take the same bullets. 5.7 is just a short .223

>>33451874
Right, so why do people complain about availability of AP ammo if you can throw a copper barnes bullet in? Surely it'd be better than spending all their autism bucks on the FN blacktip or elite meme ammo.

>>33451966
Because most people don't reload. The main problem with handloading 5.7 is that you cannot clean the case. The cases have a proprietary lacquer on them that is pretty vital to the function of the magazines and action. Cleaning too often, or to thoroughly will remove it.

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I like my uzi a lot

>>33441755
I love mine. I fold it and put it into a laptop bag with a Galati eight mag pouch and six loaded 30 rounders. It is the G17 mag compatible model. I can keep hits on an 18 inch by 18 inch target at 200 meters with UMC yellow box 9mmP.

Absolutely concealed in all settings.... carried on campus, downtown in the hipster shopping markets, and LOLcommie sustainable, green living, free trade, culturally diverse, meme coffee, meet ups.

>>33451655
What's the bottom one

>>33451026
Ruger? The folks that co-authored the Assault Weapons Ban of the 90s to take over market share from Armalite. Fuck Bill Ruger and his company for his full on traitorous actions.

Burn to the ground Ruger. Just die and burn to the ground.

>>33441672

Call it what ever you want. I myself enjoy shooting them.

>>33452447
Lee Enfield No.4Mk1 converted to .45acp

>>33441864
>Tripfag
>Opinion.
In the trash it goes.

>>33448712
Thanks. I have an 80% now. Should be building it soon.

>>33446098
Another reminder to kick myself for not buying a Suomi when they were dirt cheap.
How do you like your Calico? I'm bidding on the M100 in .22lr right now.
Should I buck up for the 9mm instead?

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>>33443785
Indeed, it always annoys me that those pistol carbines with AR frames almost always have mag welds that don't match the magazine size properly, it just doesn't look good to me.

I wish I could enjoy them more by not caring so much because they are fun.

>>33443434
I love lever actions, but why on earth get one of those? I don't see the appeal in any way.

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I love my 9mm AR i built it for about $800 and it runs flawless and locks the bolt back every time. It's probably my favorite gun because it's cheap to shoot and i am a flat lander so i dont have to be as careful about my background as i do when i shoot 5.56

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>>33441672
considering this for next purchase

>>33443434
these are so fucking stupid i swear

get an actual pistol or get a full sized lever action

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>>33453543
Yes

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>>33441672

stop calling everything a 'meme'. you guys that do are fucking retarded

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>>33453562
You are a fucking meme

>>33453565

one more word outta you and I'll slap ya
>with my masturbation hand

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>>33453571
>not being fapbidextrous

Lewd

>>33453578

>fapbidextrous

there are camps for people like you
>in best korea

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>>33451847

>>33443469
wildwestmerchandise.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=11&products_id=108

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>>33448888
>same energy as a 357
More, actually. Faster, too.
Not really a PCC, though. It's technically an intermediate cartridge.

>>33451020
You realize we were still talking about a stand in for rimfire where AP doesn't fucking matter, in a world where intermediate ammo that WILL punch armor is widely available ,so why do you give a shit about AP that's still available or easily assembled.

>>33452021
I don't think anyone is burning through enough hand loaded AP to matter

>>33452487
No, the Ruger that's been cranking out ARs, polymer pistols, tacticool minis,affordable 1911s, budget precision rifles, and polymer revolvers. The Ruger that has nothing to do with the stupid actions of a man that died ages ago. The Ruger that's one of the best and most receptive in the US market.

Jesus Christ you idiots hear one thing that happened and you latch onto it.

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PCCs are the best combination of something cheap to shoot, that offers a touch of recoil, decent range, and actual use if something awful happens. I fucking love PCCs. If the NFA didn't exist every home in America would have a subgun for their home defense.

>>33456866
agreed. shooting steel with a pcc and some buddies is a great time

>>33443434
tfw /k/anuck and its the smallest gun i can take out with :'(

>wounding capabilities of a pistol
>weight and recoil of an intermediate caliber rifle
Yeah they are a meme for sure.

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Guys, I'm trying to find what the easiest subguns are for maintaining and replacing parts.
So far, the list contains, Scorpion EVO, 9mm AR, Sig MPX, UMP variants, and the 9mm Aug.
Is there anything else ?
I'm pretty much looking for the AR of subguns that allows the user to replace every single part with limited requirement for large specialized tools.
Bonus points for 9x19mm or .22LR.

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>>33441672
I like mine.

>>33453464
How is the cover around the ejection port? the semi circular one. Is it a solid piece?

>>33457930
>9mm AUG
>Easy to maintain/replace parts
Son, they are legit impossible to replace. 9mm AUG kits go for as much as the AUG itself, are no longer imported and use a custom Steyr mag. Love my AUG, but under no case should the AUG be considered as a reasonable 9mm. If you want to ball out do it though. As for a good list

>Best Aftermarket/Parts Availability
9mm AR/EVO

>Gucci Tier
MP5/MPX/UMP
Tavor/X96 in 9mm

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>>33458103
I'm from The European Communist Dictatorship though, so I don't think the AUGs are a problem here.

I'm seriously considering the EVO but the plastic receiver kinda bothers me, and someone in another thread once showed me pictures of cracked upper receivers and claimed his friend went through 3 of them already.

>>33458255
Ahh if that's the case, then get a steyr kit and send it my way pls ;_;

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>>33458255
Go with the mpx... AR triggers, user replaceable barrels, AR like controls, growing aftermarket.

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>>33458452
I'm inclined to with either MPX or EVO 3.
I need to know which parts will require maintenance first, before I make a decision to dedicate all my money to either gun.
But if the MPX takes AR triggers, and perhaps AR stocks with an aftermarket part, I would seriously consider that.

>>33458499
Well it definitely takes AR triggers and stocks with an adapter. I'm kinda partial to the brace I put on mine.

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>>33458646
After doing some research I seem unable to find a price on the carbine length version of it in Europe.
Or any MPX for that matter.
Guess I'll have to visit a shop that deals with Sig Sauer and ask 'em directly, not seeing the carbine length EVO 3 either, but the short one costs 1.5 K Euros.
Thinking this is gonna be fucking expensive.

>>33458687
You know that's not an MP5 right Anon? That's either a 93 or G3 clone cut down to look like an MP5. They are cool looking though.

>>33458687
I only paid $1050 American bucks for my mpx without the brace. I didn't realize the price difference there. The carbine Evo here is like 8-900 here.

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>>33458729
I just posted it because it looked short in the image preview when browsing my folder.

>>33458767
Well the website says something about suggested MSRP 2 K dollaridoos for the long MPX, and in general we need to replace the dollar with Euro, and add 25%, and I don't want to pay 2.5K euros for a long MPX, considering I can get an AR for 1.5K

>>33446462
>>33446472
>implying pain is the only indicator of hearing damage
WHAT? HERRING APE? HOARDING CAKE? SPEAK UP.

>>33458729
Could be a 51?

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Any thoughts on the CMMG MK9 ?

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>>33458992
>>33458729
Its pic related.

>>33441672
I used to balk at them until I got one. It turns out that they're loads of fun.

>>33441771
Are you fucking retarded? Maybe the day that 5.7 is as cheap as .22lr. Until that day you can fuck off. I need foods for my plinking guns.

>>33456866
How do you like yours? I'm thinking of getting one and getting a suppressor for it.

>>33443407
I'm about 14,000 rounds into mine and it's still working, not doing one inch groups at the 100 yard line, but functions fine. I get everyone's kids on paper with it before moving on to sighting in whatever they plan to hunt with as part of the hunters safety course so they can "demonstrate proficientcy" and the local PD slips me 9mm at a few cents a round and usually send a cop by to get the paperwork right before the court house kicks it back for something stupid. Your rifle will be fine.

>>33452749
Bubba does it again!

>>33443434

I want one in .44 so I can put a stock on it and use it to hunt deer.

>>33459157
I love my MP5. I will die with it in my collection.

>>33458767
nice, cant find those on the interbutts for less than 1400.

>>33441672
They make me wish SBR's were deregulated. I want a uzi or skorpion carbine without the fuck long 16 inch barrel.

>>33454055
>more actually

barely. The velocity increase with .357, going from 4" to 16" barrels, is more than any other handgun cartridge I'm aware of (up to 600 ft/s)

>>33459413
Found mine on Gunbroker... LE/MI pricing. However I can find them for $1250 all day without special pricing without the brace.

>>33457995
>How is the cover around the ejection port? the semi circular one. Is it a solid piece?

Yeah it's just a chunk of plastic that plugs 1/4 of the ejection port. It's held in place with the door rod and a spring that keeps tension on it. They still wiggle around a bit they are not very solid.

probably going to get myself the scorpion evo as a birthday present next week, then file to sbr it. seems like the best subgun

>$699 pistol
>$150 stock
>$200 stamp

so pretty much $1100 or so for a great 9mm sbr, can't really beat it

>>33456866
>If the NFA didn't exist every home in America would have a subgun for their home defense.
Rural homes should still have a .357mag or .44mag lever gun for home defense. Good for Pooh and Jamal alike.

>>33458255
>I'm seriously considering the EVO but the plastic receiver kinda bothers me

Isn't the plastic just a shell outside the metal receiver?

>>33459209

No, it's a commercial item.

>>33459603
.357max gains about 650-700fps going from a 4" barrel to a 14" barrel. A solidly-within-book-norms 158gr handload will hit about 2200fps from a 14" Contender, and some people are throwing 200gr bullets at around 1800fps.
>yfw .357 Maximum, a lenghened .357mag, gets *lower* muzzle velocities than .357mag from barrels under 5"

>>33441763
>being a dick while spoon feeding
This guy gets it

>>33441776
raffed

>>33448712
Is that one of those Ghost Guns CNN keeps rambling about?