/brg/ Battle Rifle General

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>>33440958
>implying a bit of sand won't fuck the FA(i)L

>>33440997
I'm never quite sure if you're just memeing or if you actually dislike your FAL.

>>33440997
>adjust ur gas toob

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>dsa stuff innamail
>about to buy an aimpoint pro
>still need another rail section to put an afg on it

Tell me how gay it is

>>33441257
Looks like ass, I don't understand why you wouldn't just build a tacticool AR-10 if that's what you want the finished product to look like.

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>>33441332
>sprong intensifies

Because the FAL does a lot of things for me the AR doesn't. Plan is to keep two furniture sets around till I can get a barreled upper with a 17 inch barrel so I can have a very handy .308

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What is the general consensus on polymer vs steel lowers on G3 clones?

To me it seems like polymer would be better due to less weight and no rust, however I have no experience with them.

>>33441162
>angry Jew noises
Reminder that the Galil exists because the FAL is more sensitive to sand than a vagina.

>>33441481
I'm a virginia and not wimmin. How sensitive we talking?

>>33441481
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MK_R4mIk_I

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>>33441533
If you stick your dick in it, it will scream rape.

That sensitive.

>>33441584
Sorry can't relate.

>>33441453
polymer has a grip that may not agree with everyone's hands. it's overall better though. the steel ones have a removeable grip.

>>33441568
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIkye_o3bGc

>>33441453
/aesthetics/

>>33441622
Their mud tests are retarded tho

>>33441602
With the exception of rubber Hogue grips and PSG1 style grips there aren't many replacement grips for the steel ones, so is that much of a pro?

>>33441647
And the explosion and car drag on the other test wasn't?

>>33441664
I don't care about dumping mud on it, it's the "let's fucking bury the gun in mud and pour the shit into the action and then act surprised when it jams, but never bother to attempt actual remedial action or consider how quick and easy it would be to fix these guns" all while people act like this is anything that's even remotely likely to occur

>>33441676
>>33441664
I'm not going to take a test performed by someone who calls the F A L a "Fael" seriously.

>>33441676
G3 and AR worked

>>33441709
No way to test absolute consistency with this test.

I assume one grade of mud is less gritty then the others.

>learn to gun u faggot

>>33441709
G3 fired like 3 shots IIRC

AR is a closed system so it's not really surprising that putting shit on the outside wouldn't fuck it. Anybody who isn't a memeing retard knows the only problem with AR reliability is that it's only a bitch once you have to clean it cause it did get jammed, compared to an AK where if something gets in it you pop the top cover and scoop the shit out

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>>33441707
My preferred gun didn't do well in a test ...uhhh... well oh yeah they can't say the name right so I'm right.

>>33441743
Yeah that's right.

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>>33441722
Haha, we are really grasping at straws on this one.

>>33441765
So then you agree?

>>33441769
Nope

>>33441777
>Then you're wrong.

>>33441780
>Guns are literally drenched in mud
Bu-but they don't have a group of NASA engineers their to confirm the specific density of each molecule of dirt so they are invalid.

>>33441831
*There not their

>>33441831
Go watch their AR15 mud video. After he puts mud on the bolt he wipes it off with his finger while saying "got to get the rocks off of there" No other gun does he wipe the bolt off. Hell the FAL he double packed the bolt area with mud. It's obvious their tests are biased.

>>33441892
That would be the closest thing to a realistic scenario anyway, who the fuck would drag their weapon through the mud and then try to fire it without first wiping off the egregious excess? All it takes in any rifle is a pinhead sized rock in the right part of the chamber to keep it from going into battery.

>>33441912
>That would be the closest thing to a realistic scenario

True but the only gun they have done that with is the AR

>>33441892
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyXndCxn9K4
Didn't wipe it off on this one

>>33441924
LoL pours mud on then flips it over so it can fall off the bolt then flips it back and shakes it to get the mud off. How come he didn't put more mud on the bolt like he did the FAL? You see the tests are not equal at all

>>33441951
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYfGq1yk66Q

What about this one where he literally jams and rubs the gun into the ground.

>really want either a FAL or G3/Cetme clone to paint Rhodie meme camo
>The G3/Cetme clone (a PTR 91 GI classic) is better and more affordable in every way to any entry level FAL
>just can't stand those HK drum sights and replacing them would be wrong
NIGGER

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I'm about to drive 5 hours to get this fucking thing and join the FAL master race. Any thoughts?

>>33442802
>rails and feedramp widened

This reeks of bubba, I'd be cautious as fuck my dude

>>33442802
Looks like it was painted with a sock by a guy with a hard-on for short shorts. I'd be careful.

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>>33442810
Fuck. I was worried about the same thing but I was also hoping you cunts would tell me it wasn't an issue. I really want an FAL on an imbel receiver but maybe I'll just wait for another one

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>>33442835
Not even an Imbel receiver, that was built on a Coonan

falfiles.com I just made your life a whole lot fuckin easier

>>33442841
Sorry, what I meant was that I might pass on this one and wait for one with and Imbel receiver

>>33442855
>wait for one with and Imbel receiver
Fair enough

Sign up for FAL Files anyways if you haven't already, good rifles pass through there at a decent rate

>>33442861
Will do, thanks anon

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new FAL reporting!

>wanting a tilting bolt gun
When will Falfags learn?

>>33442468
From the last thread: out of curiosity, what don't you like about the sights? The 100 setting I can kind of get but the 200-400 work pretty much the same as any other aperture sight.

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>>33440958
>Bullpup edition
Boy, I can hardly wait until next month comes and we get to find out what Desert Tech's next excuse is for delaying the MDR again.

>>33443111
how many conflicts has your battle rifle been in?

There's a reason it's called "the right arm of the free world."

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>>33441453
I pocked up a steel lower and can NOT get it to fit. I've been slowly grinding away at the lower for 2 or 3 hours trying to get it to fit. The lower "paddle" (for lack of a better word) doesn't seem to want to fit into the stock when it's hooked to the upper. Anyone else find that they needed a shit ton of fitting to be done?

>>33443352
Doesn't matter how many battles it has been in, it's still an inferior design.

Any recommendations for a factory built AR-10 for under $1000?

>>33444036
I don't remember exactly what the model was but when I uses to work at my LGS we sold a cmmg with a 20 inch barrel and full length keymod rail for around $950. Thing was pretty dope, we sold them fucking gangbusters

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>>33444036
>>33444258
Found it. It's the Mark 3 LR-308

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>>33441257
there's lots of diseases around anyway.

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Stgw 57 reporting in.

Gonna upgrade this baby into a nice match grade sports rifle.

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>>33442825

Nah, the paint is too smooth-looking.

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Roller-delayed blowback is best action

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>>33443298
It had better weigh 7.5 pounds max and get 1.5MOA or better out of the box with all the bullshit they've been putting us through and all the price hikes.

>>33444903
can anyone find some barrel specs on these? I found some receiver drawings. im pretty sure I could find someone to make a flat for me and possibly a barrel, which would probably cost 1k> for the barrel alone.

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>>33444634
Here's how it should look.

But in black instead of blue.

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>>33445363
Try here:

https://www.landwehrschuetzen.ch/Download/Handbuecher/Stgw57%20Handbuch.pdf

There's also new production barrels from Grünig und Elmerig

>>33445446
Thanks m80 your not a faggot like most in these threads :)

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>>33443352
The Chauchat was in several conflicts over the course of forty years, doesn't mean it is a good gun.

>>33445639
but the Chauchat was a good gun

>>33445746
ian pls

>>33442468
I know that feel.

Went with a used FAL, no regrats.
They are both good rifles though.

>>33443363
Did you buy the $80ish clipped and pinned lower, or did you buy the $15 regular one.

>>33441453
Metal grip housing is Morse aesthetically pleasing and fits the hand better. While the polymer is much lighter. I would recommend polymer just because going to be it will be good enough while being cheaper. To do a metal lower right, you're looking at about $80.

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What does your battle rifle weigh loaded? 14.8 lbs.

>>33446811
the $80ish one, I think $75. Painted and finished from RTG parts

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I want a 20S :C

>>33447022
And yes, it's clipped and pinned, The front fits just great, the back just doesn't seem to get any looser no matter what I do. It's at the point where I could mallet it on, but there would be NO getting the fucker off for a field strip.

>>33447022
This is going to sound dumb, but you may need to assemble the rifle except for the stock, and take a rubber mallet and hammer it tight against the receiver. Force it to fit, then put the stock on, once you can get it to fit, take it apart and do it again.
If you aren't comfortable, which I would understand, then take it to a gunsmith.
If you can wait till 11ish est, then I can actually get you pictures of what I'm talking about

>>33442468
I agree, with you, and my suggestion would be to get it with a pic rail, paint then get an optic for it.
It's funny, people generally love the crumbs sights. They love them so much there are conversion to use the hk sights in an fal. But yeah, I agree with you though, there kind of a pain.

>>33441533
Put sand under your foreskin.

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>>33447155
That's be great actually. This has been in process for a month or more at this point. I bet a could wait till 11.

Thanks friendo

>>33447155
That being said, I will be asleep then, but this brg has just started, it should still be up tomorrow.

Thanks again.

>>33445639
But it was a good gun, just not the horrible rechambered ones for america.

The main problem was the magazine. Not the gun.

Chose a better argument FAL is gods gift.

>>33440958
>Tfw your edit is posted as an option image

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>>33448279
I wanted something different as the OP. :^)

>>33444634
I want one but I can only find one parts kit and it's like 1.7k and no receiver....

>>33443363
Where did you get your steel lower?

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10.4 lbs on my electronic scale, using myself for tare weight.

Lol

>>33447022
>>33448454
Answered my question, when did these come back in stock? I felt like they were unobtainable forever.

>>33441736
G3 had issues but got substantially better after being let to dry for a while

AR had some trigger issues but that was pretty much it

>>33441736
>>33448503
The G3 just kinda turned into a bolt action until it dried didn't it? The Cetme L didn't have any issues.

>>33447022

I picked one of those up and it fit with no modification or grinding required. It's a good deal more snug than the plastic lower, but I don't have to use a lot of force to get it seated properly.

From what I read before I bought the rifle in the first place, it isn't entirely uncommon to have to do a little material removal from a clipped and pinned lower, but that's usually at the front end where it sits on the shelf.

>>33448491
I got on their "notify me when this gets in" list. Can't remember the exact numbers but they got something like 300 in and they sent out 200 notifications. You have to be on it for sure

>>33440958
Hey /BRG/ I'm planning to get a Battle rifle soon. I am looking at a C308 or a PTR-91, what do y'all think?

Anybody own a BM 59? Think it's a worthwhile buy as a somewhat unique foreign gun in good shape, or is it just an M1 without any of the "muh normandy" charm and resale value?

Looking for opinions before I sign up to get the classicfirearms "back in stock" notice and make a horribly uninformed impulse buy with my CZTE $$$.

>>33449864
Most of /k/ will shit on the C308 and meme on the PTR.

>>33449864
There is negligible different

>>33449917
Well I dont have the moeny for a SCAR-17, what other options do you consider for a G3 type rifle.

>>33449994
A C308 save your money man, it works just fine. People are retarded and don't really understand that they are the same exact parts and C308's are made on ptr receivers

>>33449864
Get the PTR, it's worth the extra money. The C308 is shit. Ignore >>33450037 because even though PTR makes the barrels and receivers for them, the rest of the parts are from shitty CETME kits that Century cobbles together. They sometimes grind down that back of bolts as a shitty stopgap way to fix head spacing rather than doing it properly.

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>>33449864
>>33449994
Go for the PTR.

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>>33449994
Save up for a SCAR, it's the best.
Don't you deserve the best?

>>33450211
I know SCAR is sexy desu, And I do deserve the best but I wanna have something that has that asthetic feel.

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>>33450211
>that WASR

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>>33449864
PTR is a great bang for your buck I love mine. If you plan on getting another battle rifle get the non-railed version because the rail kills the aesthetic.

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>>33450507
>If you plan on getting another battle rifle get the non-railed version because the rail kills the aesthetic.
Truth

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Is the 20" barrel as aesthetic as I think it is? I feel like anything less is compromising. I'm not getting a battle rifle because I want ergonomics, I'm getting it because I want something semiautomatic, furnished in wood, can kill with a single shot, and kick like a mule. So I guess what I'm saying is can you sell me on a reason why I shouldn't get a 20" assuming I'm not looking for less weight?

Is shooting steel in my FAL frowned upon?

Where get cheap .308?

>>33451127
Yes

Buy German brass cased surplus for the same price sgammo.com

>>33441676
It doesn't have to be the only test that matters, I think it's interesting to see how they fare straight out of the mud.

>>33451402
>straight out of the mud
Except for the ones that get shaken and wiped off first, of course.

>>33451380
you can get russian steel 308 for less than 40 cents each. meanwhile the german surplus is 45 and up.

>>33451092
I can't think of a single battle rifle besides the SCAR-H LB that has a 20" barrel.

>>33451487
First and last time I bought Tula .308 online I got it for 48 cpr after shipping while German surp woulda been 52 cpr after shipping

Haven't checked steel prices in a while tho this was a couple months ago

I wouldn't run it anyways though, the Tula .308 was hot as fuck in my FAL and overgassed it to shit, I was getting perfect cycling on 6.5 while Remington CoreLokt .308 preferred 5.5-6

>>33451092
I appreciate the Real Fuckin' Nato reference

>>33451489
Uncircumcised Imbel barrels run up to 21"

>>33451604
Steel is ~0.35 per round shipped.

>>33451604
Not that guy but the place I get it from has it for 32 cpr + $10 or so shipping.

>>33451722
I should add, for wolf military classic or WPA.

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>>33451092
13" is more aesthetic

>>33451722
>>33451726
Steel prices must've fucking plummeted since the election then. That probably means surplus is cheaper too tho

I still wouldn't run it in my FAL though, it's hard as fuck on the gun cause it's just loaded so hot. I don't recall if there was bolt movement with the gas system completely open but it sure as fuck was flinging still on 6.5. Noticeably more kick than my Israeli surp too

>>33451658
Yeah but I think he was being autistic about being exactly 20 inches.

>>33451764
My PTR eats it like candy but that's what they do I guess.

>>33451658
Yes, 21" is a standard barrel length for FALs and M14s, but I (and, presumably, >>33451092) meant barrels literally twenty inches in length.

What should I get for graduation, an AR10, a PTR91 or something else?

>>33451782
Yea but the PTR has the benefit of the rollers to tame it, FAL is operating soley off spring pressure. I'd bet if you opened the gas port a bit and put in a stiffer spring the FAL would have no problem, but I'm not personally gonna run it through my Stg58 at least. If it was an all DSA one I probably wouldn't care as much t b h, but I don't wanna destroy historical surplus just to save a few cpr

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>Tfw you want to pop this raccoon that keeps killing chickens but your cat won't fuck off

>>33451837
>pop a coon with an SBR FAL

Fuckin madman, godspeed to you anon

>>33451782
>>33451810
Nah, I am >>33451092 and >>33451658. I was talking about the 21", but I'm drunk so I put 20" for some reason in my original reply.

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>>33451743
But I don't plan on suppressing it, senpai

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>>33451935
What is that? An FAL for ants?

>>33451823
wait and see if the MDR turns out to be Duke Nukem Forever or Chinese Democracy
and then get a SCAR regardless

>>33451092
>>33451897
The extra 3-5 inches really doesn't get you anything except a few hundred fps for shooting at ranges where a legacy battle rifle, especially a FAL, is a poor choice and you'd really be better served by a .300 Win Mag or 6.5 Creedmoor bolt gun (or a SCAR).

>>33451823
PTR is cheaper and you shouldn't feel bad about beating it to shit if that's what you want to do.

AR-10 is more expensive but has more potential to put holes very close together on a piece of paper or get covered in accessories if that's what you want to do.

>>33451985
THIS. This is exactly what I want sitting on my work bench less than 6 months from now. Fuck it, I'm just gonna buy a kit.

>>33452005
I can't afford either of those.
>>33452067
Is the DPMS Oracle any good? I know DPMS isn't exactly impressive but if it's any good I'm willing to try it.

>>33452104
It's not as bad as you'd expect a Don't Purchase Me Stupid product to be, but you'd really be better off with an M&P10.

>>33452067

>or get covered in accessories if that's what you want to do

I'll always want a .308 AR but I don't want this to be a possibility. Same reason I want a SCAR but haven't ever seriously thought about buying one, because I know the first thing I'd buy immediately after is a geissele trigger and a rail extension. I suppose I could get the LMT MWS-E instead and kill two birds with one stone.

I like AKs because I don't feel the need to fuck with them. I just buy mags and ammo. My ARs are a completely different, much more expensive story.

>>33452176

>M&P10

What's the deal with these? I sort of want one but they're the PTR91 of AR10s and no amount of parts is going to make one a gucci rifle.

>>33452199
>a geissele trigger and a rail extension
only one of those is a bad idea

>>33452285
Rail extension?

>>33451985
Where can I get furniture like this?

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>>33452607
The default handguard has enough room for everything you could plausibly want to attach to your rifle, so any extension just adds extra weight in the worst possible place for no benefit except giving you room to Costa your shit up.

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>>33452744
Yeah but they're MORE DYNAMIC BRO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>33442981
DSA?

>>33452950
Yes.
It's a forged one tho!

>>33453027
How is it so far?
I really want to get the 21" one (not the voyager) but I have heard mixed things about DSA and I don't want to spend $1700 until I feel right.

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>>33451837
post full pics of rifle pls

>>33452744
Some lower the weight.
Not everyone is a manlet and finds the extra length more ergonomic and any weight gain to be negligible.

>>33447423
>his girlfriend? WHACK

>>33451837
>inb4 you shoot your cat

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>>33447155
>>33447423
>>33447445
B-but, what about the tips?

>>33454559
I wish. Saved because
>qt3.14
>boots under jeans
>Not acting like the gun is going to bite her
>Tacoma.

Dated a chick quite similar to that last year for a few months aside from the guns not biting her part (pic). Hands down the best dating experience I've had (been single for 8 months of the last 13 years for reference). Too bad she went legit nutso because her sister died and she decided not to deal with it.

>>33441257
I don't like AR stocks on FAL's and esp G3's but yours looks suprisingly not terrible.

The pistol grip is by far the worst part. You have better options

>>33441453
Aesthetics and grip options. Not really worth it if you are content with poly. If you buy a NIB PTR91 GI (and several other models now) you will get a metal SEF lower with furniture to match the rest of the gun - it's worth it.
Best thing about it is if you go for a green machine you can have a green grip.

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>>33453216
It's just a poorfag voyager with an izzy hand guard.

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>>33454617

>>33442468
The sooner you realize the 100m sight is really a night sight/CQB at best sight, the better

>>33447002
>Hbar
Is there really a discernible difference over a GI profile? My GI can do just under 2 MOA with garden variety Tula/Perfecta/MKE M80, I'm just too cheap to feed it great loads

>>33454691
Profile affects barrel harmonics.
It could tighten your groups up. But so could a better barrel in general or using good ammo.

>>33449883
I've relegated myself to never buy an M14 unless I find an old preban Norinco and instead buy a BM-59.

The Para BM-59P is right up my alley. Para stocks are a bit expensive.

Yeah it uses an M1 reciever and the gas system is the exact same unlike the M14 and the White gas system.
Go watch some reviews on the JRA one - IV8888 has a video up of one

>>33449917
The new C308's aren't bad - I def push shooters who are indifferent towards BR's on them because they can be had cheap.
Some folks just want one .308 high cap semi with a scope and folder/collapsible option

>>33450507
Night and day difference for me when I bought the wide handguard. I normally prefer a thinner handguard but felt the german slim was too thin. the Wide feels so damned natural it's insane.

And to think I almost made the mistake of getting the thin surplus handguard with the heat shield

>>33450507
I feel this way for some FAL rails but PTR's welded on rail sits so low it doesn't really disturb the lines of the gun for me.
The best reason to go railess is for a port buffer (PTR keeps saying it's going to make a railed one) or a HK brass collector

>>33454708
>>33454691
Lets not forget more sustained fired with heavier barrel

>>33454728
G3 has some pretty terrible folding/collapsing options though.

>>33452176
I'd go with the M&P10, since I already own an M&P15 but aren't they like $900+?

>>33456057
~1200+ iirc

>>33454598
If I won my auction for a Belgian M3 pistol grip it'd prob be on there instead

I have to say though the MOE on an FAL is one of the most comfy setups I've ever used for a rifle grip, as unorthodox as it is

>>33454645
still looks danker than an anchor

>>33457433
Are there adapters to put an AR grip on an FAL?

>>33458346
No, it's a handfitting sorta thing that afaik only really works with the MOE AK grips. If you've ever seen a stripped FAL lower it'd probably be a bitch to make an adapter too. I even had to use two bolts under the normal FAL grip screw just to get it tightened down

>>33458474
Does it compare to a SAW grip?

>>33459003
Never used a SAW grip, almost bought one but they're fuckugly so I decided against it

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>>33445105
Specs on their website say 8.4 pounds

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its 308

>>33459663
The poverty is real

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>>33459320
Christ, by the time it's released it'll weigh twelve pounds and cost $5000.
>implying it'll ever be released

>>33443462
so the inferior design is battle proven, what's your proof of yours being superior?

>>33460709
Water vapor is pretty inexpensive and lightweight

t. stationary engineer

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this one has been pretty fun so far.

>>33461901
ban state?

Daily reminder that RFB > SCAR

>>33461922
it's not actually an M14 action, it's a modern forged M25 receiver from LRB arms with a 22" 1:10 Krieger. real upside to this receiver is it's made for use with a scope rail as opposed to the sadlak style mounts.

>>33461959
Im moreso referring to the rather ineffective brake and lack of a lug.

The rest of it looks sweet as fuck, well maybe not so much a stainless barrel. But literally every other component is well chosen.

>>33462043
surprisingly the brake on it is reasonably effective, despite what I assumed when I saw it at first. not nearly as nice as my Badger FTE on the 6.5-284 in the safe. then again, this rifle is so fucking heavy it barely needs a brake at all.

overall, definltely a fun gun. took it out over the weekend after a pistol match to do some load velocity tests and to zero the irons. first three rounds out of it at 50 yards made a big ragged hole and after all the load testing 250y irons on some steel plates was pretty easy. finally got the scope mounted tonight after my spuhr came in so i'll duck out of work tomorrow and go test my handloads again for group size and effectiveness at ranges between 500 and 1000 yards. it seems to really really like the 185 grain Berger Hybrid Targets too which bodes well for me I hope.

>>33462111
Those sphur leveling wedges are based as fuck

>>33461959
That sounds stupefyingly expensive.

>>33462202
bruh. no using plumb lines? check. guaranteed leveling even if your rifle is slightly canted? check. mount designed for use with scope rosin and machined beautifully? check. mount has a builtin rifle cant bubble level? check. I have three scopes mounted in spuhrs and I really don't think I want to use anything else ever again. worth every penny of their fucking insane price.

>>33462229
it was pretty expensive in all honesty, but 3k of it was paid for by a few guns I sold off that I just wasn't using as much any more.

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>>33462239
You can poorfag it up and just get an arisaka leveling wedge.

>>33462274
never seen one of those before, actually. are they just as stable and usable if you're using only scope rings instead of a one-piece mount as pictured there?

>>33462274
should have just googled first, since yes it does work on picatinny rails too. nice for 25 bucks honestly.

>>33462314
Ive got one that I use on my cheap mounts. Feel bad for not getting a QD ISMS or GDi P-rom for my nice glass.

>>33447155
>>33447423
>>33447445
>>33454589
Sorry man, life kicked in and i'm not going to be able to take pics to till sometime later tomorrow. If you can't wait i would say take it to a gunsmith (which you probably should do anyway).
But for a short description you tap it on with the rubber mallet by the tang part of the lower that you put the pins through so it fits as flush as possible, then you tap it as far forward as possible. After that tap the butt stock on. If you can't get it on, tap the metal lower on again till you can, then tap the buttstock on, then tap everything off and repeat the whole process till you can get it together and apart with just your hands.
Best of luck man, and if you can't get it, take it to a gunsmith.

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>mfw I learn that my FAL stripper clip top cover requires grinding in order to fit on my rifle

>>33462274
this is what I use (most of the time)
does not work with geissele mount

feels bad man

>>33463299
I have leser mounts and it works just fine.
Sell the G off and go with one of hakkens IMHO

>>33447423
is that a fucking quad stack mag for that 74?

>>33463669
No just an RPK 45 round mag.

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>>33444634
that's SO FUCKING SEXY HOLY SHIT
anon i'm sorry but I want to stick my penis in your rifle really, really badly
it's just so perfect

>>33445746
go away this isn't bf1

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>>33441453
I like my poly lower. I'd consider a steel replacement if I was having grip issues, but I'm not so I don't.

>>33463908
Is that a glossy scope and a grip pod?

good optic for an AR-10 shooting ~300 yd?

>>33466675
RDS

>>33440958

Took mine to a shooting spot over the weekend. Didn't even sight the scope in but I will eventually.

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>>33466855

>>33466675
Anything from a fuddy 3-9, a 1-6, to a 3-15.

What's the budget?

>>33466902
within $700

Nth for CETME cocking tubes on the new PTRs
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>33466963
how bad is this?

>>33466983
Functionally theyre fine, but theyre not g3 cocking tubes, and i think they look ugly as fuck.
And of course they swapped just when they started installing paddle mag releases

>>33466936
https://swfa.com/optics/browse/riflescopes/swfa-ss-3-15x42-tactical-rifle-scope-2.html

>>33465769
glossy? It's a beater 3x9. I don't know what you mean by glossy. But that *IS* a grip pod.

>>33467112
The finish on the scope.

>>33467178
Then sure, it's glossy. It's an old deerfield 3x9.

>>33470070
T48 lost because those shit aesthetics

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>>33470673
I want that furniture for my FAL when it finally gets built.

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>>33452744
The good ones add very little weight and also give non manlets a nicer place to grip the gun. The "it works for me so it has to work for you" mentality in this hobby is idiotic.

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>>33459663
>/brg/
>Battle
>RIFLE
kys

>>33467087
neat, ill look into it

>>33471110
Nobody is giving him attention over his stupid pistol so he posted it on Reddit lol.

>>33472117
Hes been posting on reddit
The rampant homorage has driven him from /k/
And killed /brg/ with it

>>33459663
my ears and head are hurting from through my computer screen.

How shitty are DSA mags really. I'm thinking of grabbing one 30 rounder for giggles

http://www.brownells.com/firearms/rifles/semi-auto/308-ar-18-oem-rifle-prod83359.aspx

how garbage is it?

>>33473926
Not that good, not pure shit.

>>33475214
That's a good price. Good for a budget build.

>>33460709
>Ugg boot fully extended
Kek

>>33459663
Not a rifle, you cuck

>>33478190
We need to go to Estonia.

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>>33478447

>>33478344
>not shooting with your stock all the way out
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYqkUW3VZU0

>>33478489
It's telescoping for a reason.
Manlets and people in body armor/parkas/backpacks might find a shorter lop desirable. Why are you against ergonomics?

>>33478489
I never understood why they claim that fully extended stock gives you more control over the weapon. Shorter stock brings the centre of mass closer to the shooter, making it mechanically easier to point.

Fully extending the stock also puts the rifle stock out of your shoulder pocket, directing recoil to your strong side and crooking your head to the side. It also makes you more likely to blade your stance, exposing your sides and negating some of the effect of your plates, and making any potential hits more damaging.

I don't understand why that fat guy uses "muh hunting rifles" as an argument when they're designed for a completely different type of shooting.

>>33479289
It's less about the center of gravity and more about the leverage the trigger hand has from being a little further out.

>>33479438
But you don't move the rifle with your weapon hand. And by trying to extend the pistol grip outwards you only move more of the mass beyond the reach of your support hand, making you grip closer towards the receiver instead of farther out towards the muzzle.

Go pick up your rifle, hold it vertically all the way away from your body and move it around. Then bring it closer and do the same. Which is easier to move? The latter, right? Then why the fuck would you want to move the mass away from your body by extending the stock? Makes no sense.

>>33479506
You move it with all three points of contact. But when your offhand isn't on the rifle, the trigger hand is responsible for a whole lot more.

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Does anyone still make complete FAL rifles with a forged receiver? or are the choices for FALs a new rifle that is a shit, a used rifle, or a parts kit?

>>33480164
>You move it with all three points of contact.
Four. Four points of contact. Left hand, right hand, shoulder, cheek. But anyway. Sure, when your support hand isn't on the rifle, the weapon hand is responsible for a whole lot more. And that makes extending the stock all the way even worse.

Did you try moving the rifle in your hands? You could also use another heavy object, like a dumbbell if you have one. Understand that extending out the centre of mass is counterproductive if you actually want to control the mass. This is just very basic physics, anon.

If you feel like stock extended all the way makes you shoot better, or that it feels more comfortable for you, then go right ahead and keep doing that. But don't go around advocating it for everyone when it doesn't make any sense.

Are DSA Voyagers shit?
How bad is a cast receiver really?

>>33452744
>>33471058

^this
my hand naturally falls right on the gas block if I didn't have a longer rail

>>33480984
You'll never be able to afford enough .308 to find out, even if you reload.

>>33481143
Are you saying this because I'm poor or because cast receivers last long enough that it doesn't matter they're cast?

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>>33480984
Cast receiver feels like shit imo and you'll get bullied for it but if it's in spec then you probably won't have any problems if you just use it as a range toy

Also there's really no point in spending 1200+ on a cast FAL when you can get a forged Imbel for 1000

>>33481171
Type 3 is uggo and heavy

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>>33481224
>Type 3 is uggo
This is a matter of opinion. I like carry handle look but they're pretty useless
>heavy
Lift

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>>33481066
Get a VFG and train your hand to naturally fall on that.

>>33481158
The latter. They're technically weaker than forged, but without the capacity for full-auto fire it's a technicality for your grandkids to worry about.

>>33480338
But a dumbbell isn't anywhere as balanced as a rifle. The point of a telescoping stock is to be able to configure the rifle to the shooter. This includes gear.

If you want a short lop, go for it. I like mine more out.

Insisting that shorter is better is as much not a universal truth as longer is better. Roll with what works.

>>33481171
Where can I get an Inbel?
Just used or should I just build one?

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>>33451837
10/10 would remove trash pandas with

>>33481337
You can get a kit from Gunplumber for a good price, then you'll need a receiver which will be at least 600, probably a little more

It'd be more economical to buy a used rifle built from a kit on a good receiver, just check the bore for normal wear and you'll probably spend about 1000-1200

Is the Voyagers were like 600-700 there'd be a good reason to buy one as a cheap beater but they cost basically the same as getting a kit and receiver and having it built

>>33481283
>But a dumbbell isn't anywhere as balanced as a rifle.
No, but a dumbbell has a centre of mass, just like a rifle does. I suggested a dumbbell because it simplifies what I'm talking about here.

>The point of a telescoping stock is to be able to configure the rifle to the shooter. This includes gear.
Absolutely. The video you linked was some fat retard going "yeah you should always extend it all the way", which is what I'm debating against here.
>If you want a short lop, go for it. I like mine more out.
I go somewhere in the middle, where I get control over the muzzle, but also don't have to be all slouched up.

>Insisting that shorter is better is as much not a universal truth as longer is better. Roll with what works.
Absolutely, but the thing is, physics are a constant.

Holding the support hand closer to your body and the rifle's centre of mass/gravity will let you better support the rifle, giving you a more stable platform. Extending the support hand away from your body gives you more leverage on the rifle, making it easier for you to point it at different things, which is why sport shooters and gottagofast people use thumb over bore style of stances.

With me thus far? Good. Now, when you are extending the stock out, you aren't actually increasing the levarage you have on the rifle, because the position of the support hand stays constant (except if you have a very short rifle I suppose) and you don't use your weapon hand to point the rifle. By moving the mass away from yourself you are actually reducing the mechanical advantage you have on the rifle.

By all means, keep using what you find effective and comfortable, but consider that there may be a more efficient way for you to shoot.

>>33481516
I didn't link that video.

More spread out, your relying on muscle strength, closer in puts it more on the skeleton. If your not going gottagofast mode, you should probably be prone.

>I will never own a battle rifle in this country

Why live?

>>33483788
get a salt raifu and install a muzzle brake upside-down so it has more recoil and only use 20-round magazines
what shithole do you live in, anyway

>>33483996
Probably lives in USA but is v. poor.

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>>33484325
That's what PTRs are for.

>>33484335
>tax fuckery leads to huge refund
>PTR and FAL on the way
How do I into reloading? Do I just go to LGS and say "I want to make 308 in my garage" and they're like "I got you sempai"?

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>>33451837
where can i get that front handguard?!

>>33485307
looks like a kike surplus handguard to me

>>33485451
You are correct, is izzy

>>33484671
https://www.amazon.com/ABCs-Reloading-Definitive-Novice-Expert/dp/1440213968
https://www.dillonprecision.com/rl-550c_8_1_23594.html
plus reloading manuals and material components for the ammunition (bullets, cases, powder, primers)

why is /BRG/ always so fuckin dead....

>>33488526
because anon being tsundere towards sa/k/uya used to keep it alive

other optic suggestions for an AR-10?

>>33488526
everyone is asleep from hauling all these heavy 308

>>33488568
its not heavy its only like 10.5 lbs loaded. <3

>>33488547
Budget?

>>33488699
$700

>>33488764
Aimpoint Micro H2

>>33488764
Check out SWFAs SS lineup

>>33488764
Atibal XP8

>>33488821
>>33488848
>>33489149
neat thanks

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>>33450756
Nice pic

>>33451743
>13" .308

Noise and muzzle flash would be ridiculous without a suppressor. Id almost rather pin a 3" flash hider on a 13" barrel

>>33490040
Just cut a standard barrel down to 14" and you can P&W nearly any .308 muzzle device you want.
More to the point, nearly any .308 suppressor mount you want.

So uhh, I need $20k, anyone wanna donate?

http://www.armslist.com/posts/6468565/indianiapolis-indiana-nfa-firearms-for-sale--used--fully-transferable-full-auto-hk-91

>>33490202
You might start voiding warranties under 16"

>>33490858
That's between you and your suppressor manufacturer, though most decent cans (AAC, Surefire, Silencerco, etc.) are warrantied down to ~12" for .308.

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Canada now has 18.5"bbl Norc M1A clones chambered in 7.62x39mm

$850 sryupbucks

>>33491301
What's the weight difference between that and a 300 BLK Mini-14?

>>33490717
>HK machine gun
>seller doesn't specify if it's a registered receiver or registered trigger pack
wew

>>33491506
Well you can just buy full auto trigger packs, so I'm going to assume it's the receiver.

>>33491301
cute, disregarding the disgusting bananamag.

>>33491774
And the AIMR flash hider.

>>33491149
Seen some minimum barrel lengths of 16" from SiCo

>>33492905
https://s3.amazonaws.com/com.silencerco/support/barrel+restrictions.pdf
That's just for the Harvester and Omega. The Saker 762 and Specwar 762 are good down to 12.

>have an older CETME
>got it pretty cheap with 20 mags and it's never malfunctioned even after a few hundred rounds of the dirtiest Tula and Perfecta that I could put through it without cleaning
>don't have any complaints about it outside of the sights
>want to put an optic on it

Are there any decent claw mounted rails for this rifle? It has the recoil stop block if that makes a difference.

>>33493428
>claw mount
>decent
choose one

>>33493686
Rood

>>33496352
Who are those fags?

>>33496396
Estonian Defence League members.

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>>33445105

Cap this

> 1.8 moa
> 9.5 pounds with loaded 20 rounder
> both tests with m80 ball

It's gonna break more hearts than targets

>>33503853
1.8 MOA with M80 would be pretty good, wouldn't it?

>>33504177
I get 1.5 from better guns, and roach or spaghetti ammo. 1.8 isnt bad, its not good

>April 2
>No MDR update
It's over, Desert Tech is finished.

Been looking at the Sarco FAL Stanag mount, which scopes would go well with that without completely going completely bananas with cheek weld?

>>33507777
nice quads

>>33507792
Thanks, any idea about the scopes?

>>33507777
Youll need a riser for the stock regardless of what optic you use.
ARs and SCARs are the only optic-friendly semi-auto rifles.
Everything else puts too much of the operating components above the comb, rudely shoving you into a boxcar on a one-way trip to Chinweld City.

>>33507975
Ok, so I'll get a removable riser

Anyone had experience with the imbel parts kits? What kind of work goes into building it? Any specific tools I'll need?

>>33508944
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNckPmFKNRo

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>>33507556
Why is the cocking handle dummy-corded to the rest of the gun?
Are BW G3s really that old and busted that they have to worry about the cocking handle falling off?

>>33509000
It's not attached to anything but the charging handle. It's there to grab and make charging the gun easier.

New thread:
>>33509042
>>33509042
>>33509042