Dumb questions thread

>>33429813
yes

>>33429813
Yep.
You can fire both .38 and .357 from any .357 magnum revolver.

You can usually get away with it in autoloaders too, they just tend to shortstroke.

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>>33429820
>>33429850
Cool, thanks guys! Saved some time/money.
Also others feel free to ask dumb questions too

What about a gun that can shoot .38 special?

>>33429999
Witnessed

Also no. If it says it's a .38 special specifically it probably won't chamber .357 magnum.

>>33430007
If it does specifically say 38, don't shoot 357. 357 has a much higher pressure than 38 special and can make the gun explode.

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Is loading new mags supposed to be this difficult or am I doing something wrong?

What about .357 lever-action rifles? Can they use .38 special reliably, or can some but not others?

Are shotguns considered rifles in gun ranges?

Every gun range I've found online doesn't say whether or not you can shoot a shotgun. It only says pistols and rifles are allowed.

>>33429813
No. You never mix calibers.. .38 > .357, putting a larger .38 in a .357 would result in disaster

>>33429850
Trying to hurt you, OP

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henlo yes I have a dumb question

would 223. cartridges work in a Martini-Henry? I don't give a shit about accuracy, I just want to know if it would go off.

>>33430384
A .357 will generally not fit in a .38 chamber, it's slightly too long and the base of the cartridge is slightly thicker.

For this exact reason actually.

>>33430489
Pistol magazines can be a bit of a chore to load, especially if they're brand new.

Consider buying a magloader like an UpLula or something, if you find it bothersome.

.22 magazines can be a bit bothersome on their own because everything is smaller, especially metal .22 magazines, they can poke the tip of your fingers pretty sore.
Thankfully, a lot of .22 caliber pistol magazines have an exposed follower that you can pull down from the outside (for this exact reason), so that helps a lot with making your thumbs less sore.

>>33430489
If you're specifically talking about AR p mags try pushing the bullets directly down instead of sliding them in

>>33430620
No they're not, even ones with rifled barrels.

>>33430752
if the striker hits the prime it should fire

>>33430752
You mean would a .22 caliber bullet work in a rifle that's like, what are they, .44 caliber bore rifles? .57 even?

No, path of least resistance for one, the .223 would split at the neck and all the gas goes wherever and barely drives the bullet at all, and for another, gun won't even try to spin stabilize the bullet because the only contact the .223 bullet will make with the rifling is when the bullet flops around in there when chambered and optionally if it pops off if fired.

Also aren't they blackpowder rifles? I know the pressure will just flush out with barely any resistance because it won't seal with the too small bullet, but it still seems unsafe to me at any rate.

I really recommend against you doing this.

>>33429850
>Firing .38 special from a .357 autoloader
What autoloader? I think people with a Coonan or Grizzly have enough sense to only use .357.

>>33430590
.38 special in a .357 levergun is fine, since it's a completely manual action, the chamber can withstand the pressure, and it fits. .357 in a .38 is what makes guns go kaboom - but unless you had a retard making the gun, .357 won't even fit in a .38.

>>33430736
Stop being stupid. .38 is the parent case of .357, and they're downwards compatible.

>>33430752
They wouldn't fit concetric to bore, and therefore the hammer can't hit them right in the primer.

You could have a chamber insert made on a lathe, should be well below 100 bucks for a custom made one. Long-term, it'd certainly be cheaper than original ammo. Note: the chamber insert will only allow you to fire the rifle. It won't engage any rifling at all, won't stabilise and so accuracy will be shit. Also, extraction will be a PITA.

>>33430752
unless you have one chamber in .303 I'm pretty sure .223 would just slide out the end of the barrel.

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>>33430939
This, AR mags, Uzi mags and stuff like that with a double stack, dual column feed, is easy as beans to load. Much gentler on your fingers too.

Just push that shit straight down and it'll slide down under the feed lips without issue, generally, the follower will push upwards and keep it in place. As long as it's properly alternating left/right you're good.

>>33430952
>.38 special in a .357 levergun is fine, since it's a completely manual action
Yeah, I wasn't real sure if the size difference would mess with it or not. The difference in length isn't that much though.

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>>33430952
The Coonan .357 will chamber .38

The gun comes with a second, softer recoil spring, and the manual says to make sure to break the gun in some with a few hundred rounds of .357, before you put in the .38 spring and start shooting those, but as long as you use the .38 spring, you can shoot .38s

Generally, in other .357 automatics, you might get feeding problems (slightly shorter case), or as said, short-stroking (not enough power to cycle reliably), but it wouldn't be downright unsafe I'm pretty sure.

>>33430952
>>33430752
Just found that somebody made .45 Colt chamber isnerts for the Martini in the past. .223 inserts should be possible.

>>33430946
If a Martini managed to fire a .223 round, it'd probably be safe. Chamber force would very little.

>>33430969
Bonus points: since .38 is shorter, you might get one or two more rounds into a tube mag.

>>33430970
Noice.

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>>33430969
Difference in length isn't even easily recognizable unless you look at both side by side, and neither is the small width difference above the rim.

Generally though, a .357 lever gun should fire .38s just fine. Really light carbine action by the way, little recoil at all, and some brands of .38 can be pretty cheap.

Even a Ruger 77/357 will generally eat .38, with maybe the occasional feed hiccup (just make your cycling deliberate).

>>33430736
Wishing you'd follow your own advice troll.

>>33430978
A .45 Colt chamber insert would be a VASTLY more sound idea for shooting a Martini Henry than any kind of fuckery with .223

Yeah .45 Colt won't be as cheap but you could just buy some brass, some decent black powder substitute, a flat of primers, and appropriately sized unjacketed lead bullets.
Load up some of that stuff (a basic reloading kit is cheap and simple) and you can shoot your Martini Henry for way cheaper still than loading up actual Martini Henry cartridges (and for that matter continuously buying commercial .45 Colt ammo), as well as way safer and more functional than .223 shenanigans

>>33431102
I think .223 surplus would be the cheapest way to go without reloading. Besides, .45 Colt is .454, a Martini barrel is .46something, it'll have bad accuracy anyways. For 50 yard fuckery, it'll be fine.

>>33429813

Yes. AFAIK, all .357 Mag revolvers can also fire .38 Special with no problems. The same goes for .44 Magnum and .44 Special. But this will not work in reverse.

>>33431108
Breh with .223 you will have a keyhole device, you'd be lucky to hit the target next to what you're aiming at, sideways.

And again the pressure curve can be a concern, even with no kind of seal.

Sounds to me you'd be better served looking at shooting .22LR or maybe .22WMR

>>33431125
Like I said, there's about a .01 difference in bore and bullet with .45 Colt in Martini. It'll keyhole anyways, unless you manage to make some kind of .45 Colt-based wildcat that uses the exact diameter of Martini barrels, and then make a chamber insert for that, and load it with custom boolets.

I doubt he was looking for accuracy, but just for a source of cheap store-bought ammo for his Martini. .223 would be perfect for that with a custom chamber insert, although yeah, .22 would be even better. I wonder how you do that though, going from centerfire to rimfire with a chamber insert.

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>>33430952
>>Firing .38 special from a .357 autoloader
>What autoloader? I think people with a Coonan or Grizzly have enough sense to only use .357.
Out of cutriosity, I fired some .38 Special +P out of the Desert eagle with the .357 barrel on it. It didn't have enough gas volume to cycle the slide fully. It would eject the empty case, but not travel back far enough to pick up the next round. It was stupid accurate, though with no recoil to speak of.

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>>33429813
A .357 revolver will chamber .357 magnum, .38 Special, .38 Long Colt and .38 Short Colt without any modification. The .38 Colts are older 19th century cartridges, but have seen a resurgance with the popularity of Cowboy Action Shooting. Some .357 magnum revolvers will also chamber and safely fire .38 Super. >38 Super is a pistol cartridge that is slightly tapered, but it has a rim and some .357 revolvers have cambers that are loose enough to chamber it. if it does not slide in easily, do not attempt to fire it.

>>33430489
new Ruger mags are a royal bitch to load new because they put such a heavy spring in them, mine came with a loader.

>>33431141
>I wonder how you do that though, going from centerfire to rimfire with a chamber insert.
You ever seen a .22LR insert barrel for a shotgun? The bore on it is offset so the firingpin can hit it.

So you could either try to machine down and adapt a .22LR barrel blank to fit the Martini Henry chamber, or you could buy a .22LR chamber insert for like a 20 Gauge shotgun and then try to get a machinist to machine it down.

>>33431174
>It didn't have enough gas volume to cycle the slide fully. It would eject the empty case, but not travel back far enough to pick up the next round.
Makes sense. But that's also the Deagle in general, it wants HOT ammo, cheap .357 target loads generally run poorly in the gun (which is part of why the Deagle's rumor for unreliability is a bit exaggerated, people expect to shoot cheap commercial ammo).

>It was stupid accurate, though with no recoil to speak of.
That's again, the Deagle, heave and has a gas system, takes a lot of edge off, and with it's super thicc barrel and radial locking lugs ala Stoner, you get a very precise gun with consistent lockup, the laser accuracy is the Deagle's biggest strength.

>>33430952
>>33430736
You stupid fuckers.
.38 is exactly the same diameter bullet and case as a .357 magnum (.38 special was the parent case)

.357 magnum is longer to prevent idiots from kabooming themselves with .357 in a .38.
.38 is MUCH lower pressure than a .357 Magnum.
Thus, while .357 magnum cannot be used from a .38, .357 magnum can use .38 special in it.

>>33429813
Yes, sometimes .38 will leave a soot ring in the chamber. You have to clean them out well.

>>33430489
You should get a magloader.

>>33431810
It'll give you some reduced accuracy but it's not an alarming thing.

>>33432067
If it builds up you can't chamber .357 anymore.

I haven't noticed it causing accuracy problems though.

>>33430752
I'd say go for it you retard, but that would result in destruction of a cool gun

I recently move to Commiefornia and I want to fire my uncucked AR, where can I go without having the police or the ATF breathing down my neck

>inb4 Lol not in commiefornia

There has to be somewhere around the Central Valley

On the topic of loading mags, I often see (youtubers who shoot and even in movies) people load a few rounds, then bang the mag on a table or the ground, then continue loading. What is the purpose of that? I've loaded plenty of mags and never had an issue without tapping them.

>>33432340
Tapping can make sure that rounds seat a bit, in case they maybe hang up on something in there and the spring itself isn't doing it's job.

I think it'd probably make more sense on a tight and new mag.

>>33430736
you have that mixed up friendo

Do you think it would be plausible to make a transferable Sten gun feed from standard Glock magazines or maybe modified ones?

The Sten feeds from a double stack, single position feed magazine, and not a very good one, it's infamous for wearing out fast and easily and in general has mediocre reliability at best.

So I wonder, since 33rd Glock mags are common, reliable, and is set up for a single position feed, do you think the magwell could be replaced on a Sten, and then either the Glock mags themselves are modified, or the bolt is? Could it work?

>>33432325
Get some property is all I can think of to suggest.

>>33430970
Too bad the Coonan is ugly.

>>33435129
I second this

>>33429813
Back in the day my grandmother owned a bunch of guns, from machine guns to pistols... While in New York City.

She said her favorite was this little .22 that had four or five rounds, and fit in a little case.

She had to give them all up after her second husband died, but I wonder if anyone has heard of a such a little gun?

Another dumb question.

I got a guy trying to sell me a .32 revolver. It's a seven shot snub nose, the brand is something called Kimmel. The only info I can get on these guns are from past gun auction sites.

He's asking $140 for it. This would be my first gun I've had since I used to shoot when I was a kid.

Should I get this or just go fuck around at the local pawn shops for a cheap little .22 or some shit.

>>33436166
Don't buy a rarer caliber, search around your local pawn shops and find something name brand that shoots a common cartridge. .38sp is cheaper per round anyway

That's a suspicious price, too.

>>33430489
That is clearly a bird. Stop pushing cartridges in it.

>>33436118
>but I wonder if anyone has heard of a such a little gun?
your dick

>>33436244
.32 acp is very common. It was a military round for 40 years.

>>33436244
What about the price is suspicious? Sounds about right for an old obscure revolver that pretty much nobody has heard of

Seller is a very good goy, anyway

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>>33429999

Holy fuck those quads

>>33436368
I didn't say rare I said rarer, I know it's not all that obscure but it's definitely harder to find than the more common calibers you can buy in Walmart.

>>33436374
That's pretty low, I'd think it might have a cracked frame or some other problem judging by the price alone. As long as you inspect it thoroughly for problems and don't care to search a tiny bit harder for ammo it would be fine.

Still, I'm of the mindset that you should see what your options are before jumping on the first "deal". Since you said it was your first gun I really think you'd be better suited to a place that will let you fingerfuck a bunch of different revolvers and find one that works for you instead of taking a figurative shot in the dark. Then again, $140 is pocket change

is this the next official "QTDDTOT" thread or nah?

>>33436433
I can get .32 ACP at the Walmarts around here (at least the suburban ones that actually carry real guns and ammo). It's not hard to find and it's pretty damn cheap (about on par with brass-cased 9mm FMJ prices). I don't own a .32 handgun but I use it in my nugget with a .32 chamber adapter for training noobs and general fucking around.

>>33436489
Huh, my walmart only carries the staples: .357, .38, 44sp, 44mag, 9mm and .308

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>>33430007
You can stick .357s in some old revolvers with worn or rim-headspaced chambers. Even with regular .38 Special it might be sketchy to shoot those. What we know as ".38 Special +P" is actually the old factory-standard load of .38 Special, but a while ago they reduced it to the less-than-9x19-power loads we have today as standard so that people wouldn't blow up their old-ass revolvers.

>>33430736
Okay, so here's where some confusion can come up. There's multiple ways we measure and denote bore diameter. Sometimes the lands of the rifling (the diameter of the barrel before and grooves are cut into it) are used as measuring points. Sometimes the grooves (the actual rifling cuts) are used. A .38 special and a .357 mag case are both .38 inches in diameter, while both their bullets are .357 inches in diameter.

>>33430752
I'd like a Martini-Henry rebarreled for .223. That could be one hell of a cool small-game rifle.

>>33435129
>>33436021
Not any uglier than those extended-dustcover 1911s from Springfield, SVI, and others. I would totally love a tacticool Coonan in .45 WinMag.

>>33436517
There was a time when they were out of everything but some shotshells, and the local Meijer had one single box of .44 Magnum that sat there forever, but the ammo draught is over now so there's no excuse for them to not carry a large variety of ammo.

>>33436433
I'm pretty sure the only reason why he's asking $140 is because I'm friends with his sons.

I'll end up just dicking around at some pawn shops and used gun stores, though. I'm a minimum wagecuck so I ain't got much to blow right now. If I can find any old .22 rifle or cheap ass handgun I'm getting it just because I work a security job literally innawoods surrounded by meth addicts and crazy deer

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>>33436656
forgot pic.

>>33436702
No, it's $140 because it's an old Saturday Night Special.

>>33436724
True, but all in all this guy has at least 50 plus guns. Doomsday prepper type. I reckon he would sell me just about anything in his collection at least $50 to $100 off normal prices

Also, he claims that he can turn some semi automatic weapons into full automatics. I don't know the specifics, but can this really be true or is this a meme? This is a dumb question thread and I am dumb.

>>33436772
You can reliably convert ARs and AKs into full-autos with some machining and the correct parts (acquiring or making said parts is the key). Something like a SCAR or Tavor could probably be modified too, but it's all a matter of obtaining or fabricating parts. You can buy full-auto trigger groups for HK-style guns from HKParts and other places but you need to provide them with paperwork saying you have a registered machinegun or that you are a Class 3 dealer making a LE sample. This is the same basically everywhere you go looking for that type of thing. If you decide to do this without getting ATF approval, enjoy your 10 years in rape-me-in-the-ass prison.

"Police carry" descriptions on used firearms at gun shops are almost always bullshit right?

>>33434136
Literally just get a sterling, or buy some aftermarket feed lips and pay a gunsmith to do it right

can 300 blackout shoot 5.56 and 223?

>>33437292
No, but you can blow your face off if you want to try that the other way around.