What's the verdict on this thing?

>>33429051
Anytime tells you humanity has lost its edge and is too risk averse to build incredible contraptions that are both wild feats of engineering and near-certain deathtraps, remind them of the V-22.

Seem to go alright as long as you lubricate them with the blood of dead Marines.

It's an underpowerd hard to handle death trap with very little protection its the cause for some of the highest casualty rates that's why the Humvee is shit
Love the V-22

>>33429051
Killed more Marines than all the sandniggers in the middle east combined have

I want to stick my dick in it.

>>33429094
The osprey or the humvee?

>>33429051
It's a solution looking for a problem.
A poorly engineered solution, terribly expensive and unreliable, in too few numbers to actually matter and extremely limited in use, looking for a problem.

>>33429250
problem- there are too many Marines
solution- deathtrap frankenbird culls their population

>>33429051
it's comfy to sit in cause they let you sit against the wall instead of nut to butt

>>33429282
They let you do that in 47s. It just that there's people who also have to sit to butt in the center too.

>>33429051
Whatever it's flaws, it's a tremendous soft-power tool as a propaganda wunderwaffe in US buffer states like Japan and Western Europe.

>>33429312
we all had to sit nut to butt in 47s

All this
>IT KILLS MUHREENS
It has the best operational history of any aircraft

>>33429051

It was forced on to the military by fat assed Republicans who were to sickly to join the military themselves, but needed a pork barrel project for their districts to keep the military industrial complex moving along.

It's the F-35 of the 1990's.

>>33429504
Crashes make headlines and uneventful ops don't.

>>33429504
People are always quick to point out that it has had significantly less crashes than the Blackhawk, while conveniently omitting that there are only about 200 V22s and over 10000 UH60/S70 frame helicopters worldwide

>>33429650
It also has less crashes than the heli it replaced in MUHRINE service.
It's a complex aircraft that may not be the best solution to everything, but goddamn does it make my dick hard. I've had a thing for VTOLs since Command and Conquer came out when I was a kid.

>>33429136
Both

>>33429051
The folding bullshit in the wings for carrier storage is fucking stupid and makes it expensive to maintain.

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>>33429051
I like the concept, but I wish it could be done without compromising disk loading. As it is, it has rather underwhelming vertical lift performance for its horsepower as a rotorcraft because of that reason, and also kicks up debris like a motherfucker too.

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>>33429051
>Needing to sling it
Every other country uses either land rovers or g-class
The fact the Marines and Army went out and bought both shows how terrible the humvee is

>>33429051
Love it, but it needs to be bigger and more powerful so it can haul Hummers and the like inside it.

>>33430965
the G-wagens are fucking awesome.

>>33429051

More or less the future of .mil aviation. I seriously expect the C-130 replacement to be some sort of massive VTOL.

>>33429250

>It's a solution looking for a problem.

Giving the army a much greater ability to move personnel isn't exactly "looking for a problem". The V-22's range alone makes it worthwhile since it reduces the reliance on tankers.

>>33429051
Better than the Russian copy but not enough to beat the impressive Chinese version.

Looks pretty fucking cool, so as long as we're styling on the other armies I couldn't care less that it crashes from time to time

>>33429525
The marines pushed it hard, it wasn't forced on them
Just blatant corrupt by their commanding officers.

Politicians tried to kill this boondoggle several times

>>33430987
You want to put money on that? Dipshit
I guarrentee the army won't be buying a tilt rotor

I lived on the east coast of Canada when they were conducting the ice tests, got to see one up close before the yankees did. Later someone mentioned that they fall out of the sky a bit more than average though.

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>still under development 14 years later

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>>33430965
Vore porn.

>>33429250
>terribly expensive

no worse than the CH-53K they plan on making
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sikorsky_CH-53K_King_Stallion

damn thing costs more than an F-35

>>33431396
The marines are fucking idiots, what else is new

>>33429121

Fat cargo plane > Osprey

No contest.

>>33431328

"How much for the armored vehicles? I want the armored vehicles. Feed them to me. Feed me your armored vehicles."

>>33430965
Has it ever occured in yo tiny little brain that being able to fit inside a chinook wasn't included in the requirement when the damn thing was first designed?

>>33431507
...how does that make it not terrible?

The Marines are too stupid to maintain it. Once heard one of their E9's telling them it was ok that safety wire "just falls off sometimes".

>>33429051
You know how they say the greatest weapon in the world is a marine and his rifle?

Well we've finally made something even deadlier.

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>>33429051
Its on the RN don't want list.
So it's rotary stuff on these then unless they need product placement opportunities.
Apparently they'll initially sail with US Marines providing all the aircraft.

>>33430987
>>33431248

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_Boeing_Quad_TiltRotor

Transport choppers are just a pointless meme. There isn't much call for going in places that ground vehicles can't reach.

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:)

>>33430684
Frequently, and often off the coast of North Carolina.

t. Someone who's local news for a free weeks was marines dying in training flights.

>>33429051
Has now officially killed more marines than the first round in Fallujah.

>>33431248

>I guarrentee the army won't be buying a tilt rotor

why not? Tiltrotors have all the advantages of helicopters and regular prop aircraft. Only issue is the high maintence requirements, but this isn't an issue if you're the government and have unlimited money.

>>33431680

VTOL transports are a big deal if you only have an extremely limited space to work with. For example, ships that only have a single helipad. This is precisely why the V-22's wings fold up for easy storage. They also make special operations much easier because it has double the range of a traditional helicopter, but can take off and land like one. This makes combat logistics much easier and avoids failures like operation eagle claw.

>>33433394
Tilt rotors have unique disadvantages
Even the government has a finite budget, so when things take more maintenance, carry less, cost more, and burn more fuel, thats a problem.

>>33433458
Limited space means you don't want something like the Osprey that is much larger than a helicopter, for the same payload

It's range/speed is also much overrated

>>33429650
It's a rate, per flight hour. That accounts for the difference in numbers.

>>33429650
It's called proportions anon.

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>>33429051
it says ingen on the side of that chopper. why would hammond send two teams?

>>33431567
>safety wire "just falls off sometimes".
As a pilot that made my blood run cold.

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>>33431016
Wut

>>33434177
They don't care about the fuel. Subsidized JP-8 is a hell of a drug.

FEED ME MORE MARINES

>>33434307
underrated

>>33429107
Retards believe this.

>>33429250
And this.

The verdict is that the V22 has been extremely useful in both Iraq and Afghanistan for evacuating casualties and to move forces more rapidly than traditional helicopters.

>>33429650
It also has a lower crash rate per percent of UH-60s and a lower rate than any other heli in Marine service.

>>33429103
Quality. The post, not the humvee.

>>33429051
It's not the ospreys fault the muhreens dont know how to maintain their shit

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>>33434199
>overrated
Pic related. Also look into their use in AFRICOM. They're very much loved there due to the distances involved. And let's not forget that standoff is now a necessity for amphibious operations, so that speed is also necessary to get people onshore as fast as possible, return, and then come back with more.

>>33429083
This made me feel better about the state of the world. Thank you.

>>33434638
Comparing an old piece of shit like the CH-46 to the Osprey is a false argument
Instead you must compare the Osprey to a similarly priced vehicle of fixed wing or rotary wing design.

V-22's will not be able to fly willy-nilly around at altitude in any real war.

Zero reason why the US should be in Africa, they wanted whitey gone.

>>33431328
Mi-26 is amazing. So huge my brain has a hard time comprehending it.

>>33431321
>14 years later
try 30 plus years

>>33434751
>V-22's will not be able to fly willy-nilly around at altitude in any real war.
No, but even at low altitude it has a substantial range and airspeed advantage over helicopters.

>>33434313
Hopefully your airforce or civilian, that shit only flies in the navy

>>33438742
Like, holy fuck that's terrifying. Planes vibrate a shitload. Any bolt not locktited and safety wired is liable to back out.

>>33431723
>Bravo November
(;_;)7

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>>33438994
>MRW every first level maintenance bolt on the F-35 is captive and requires no safety wire.

>>33439197
no safety wires is badass, but at least working on DOS birds they allow us the use of safety cable equipment.

this shit is amazing when you HAVE to safety

>>33439197
Sexy.

>>33434307
That scene made me diamonds every time

>>33429051
And of all the people putting their two cents ITT, how many have actually used them in combat?

> I have

Fast, quiet, effective. If I had to do more raids in afg, this would be my preferred method of transp/assault. Love them. Don't know any other afg veterans that don't.

>>33439731
I'll give you fast and effective, but they fly over my house sometimes and they are loud as all fuck.

>>33439894
Should have been more specific. They are quiet relative to their target area. So any people in the target landing area will not hear it coming until it's quite closeget away with...much closer than any helicopter could . That's a huge advantage when doing raids.

And they just land so fast, it's crazy. Makes the assault phase so much better.

>>33429051

death trap

I need a webm of the RussVees rolling out of this that turns into pool balls rolling out of that girls asshole

>>33429051
>What's the verdict on this thing?
WHOMP WHOMP WHOMP WHOMP

>>33429504
I'm just biased since I actually crashed in the damn thing

>>33429250

What are you even talking about? It's a solution to the problem of helicopters having shit range and speed. It goes twice as far, twice as fast as our other heavy lift helicopters.

>>33439934
>And they just land so fast, it's crazy. Makes the assault phase so much better.
Wait, isnt one of the main counter-arguments against these things that they cant do fast, combat-like insertions? I've seen it claimed here a few times, but then again this place is shitpost-central for most things V-22/F-35 related.

>>33442185
It can, it's just very big.

the main advantage is the fact that it can go twice as far, and cruise twice as fast. So you can get to more targets, and get to the same targets faster, along with being able to loiter at said targets longer.

>>33442203
>the main advantage is the fact that it can go twice as far, and cruise twice as fast
So it can crash harder, while further away from home?
Sorry, had to

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>>33429263
Lold

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>>33434751
>Comparing an old piece of shit like the CH-46 to the Osprey is a false argument
No it's not. It fulfills a similar role as the CH-46 while having significantly more range. And the US military still has CH-46's.

>V-22's will not be able to fly willy-nilly around at altitude in any real war.
They are great for COIN which is their primary designation. They are used for Special Operations and MEU's for quick reactions to contingencies.

>Zero reason why the US should be in Africa, they wanted whitey gone.
This statement would probably make sense once Islamic Terrorist organizations plotting attacks on US and allies stop existing there.

>>33430716
Can you explain this graph like I'm 6?

>>33442284
Take of your pants and come sit on uncle's lap then

>>33442284
They are not as efficient as helicopters in lifting loads while hovering.

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>>33429051
Both should be replaced with Gavins

http://www.combatreform.org/hmmwv.htm

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>>33442185
>Wait, isnt one of the main counter-arguments against these things that they cant do fast, combat-like insertions?
This meme is mostly rooted in the prevalence of vortex ring state (which is usually a consequence of descending too quickly in hover) in its accident history. VRS is especially hazardous with the V-22 since it takes place at a high descent rate and can occur asymmetrically (causing one rotor to suddenly lose lift in a descent, causing the machine to flip instead of just sinking faster), but the V-22's threshold for VRS is actually extraordinarily high for a rotorcraft (i.e. it can descend/decelerate faster without encountering the phenomenon) due in part to the high downwash velocity from the smaller, highly-loaded rotor discs (which reduces recirculation and vortex ring formation).

There are other issues which might complicate a rapid insertion with the V-22, however. It is a wide machine, potentially making it difficult to maneuver in confined LZs. While it has lots of horsepower, its small proprotors are less efficient at producing static thrust, so the takeoff/climb performance may be lacking in certain situations, especially if heavily-loaded. And it's high downwash velocity kicks up dust and debris like a motherfucker, which could cause obscured visibility, injuries and damage in the vicinity of the LZ.
>>33442284
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disk_loading
Basically, to produce a certain amount of thrust/lift, big rotors move lots of airmass slowly (which doesn't take much power), while smaller rotors, props, fans or especially jets move a smaller amount of air much faster (which is less efficient and takes way more horsepower).

It's an inevitable consequence of momentum theory. Analogously, consider you're sitting in a shopping cart, and you want to propel yourself across the floor by throwing fruit in the opposite direction. Which will be more effective and take less energy to get the job done, throwing cantaloupes or tangerines?

>>33430973
yes yes, and more yes

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>>33434692
Same

>>33442282
>It fulfills a similar role as the CH-46 while having significantly more range.

No it doesn't, its triple the empty weight, tons more expensive, and can't do half the stuff they used the CH-46 for

>once Islamic Terrorist organizations plotting attacks on US
End open borders, problem solved
Terrorist attacks are a good thing, teach people to wake the fuck up to reality.