Not trying to shit post but wtf is up with Ruger in the past

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Implying that the LC9s Pro isn't the best single stack CCW on the market.

>>33428447
Compared to the shield its pretty inferior. Its best trait is being too small which is not practical for a full grip.

>>33428426
declining sales forces ruger to pump out "something new"?

>>33428447
No safety on that one, correct? What features in your mind put the LC9 pro over a MP9 or a PPS?

>>33428470
Well seeing as Canik is selling like hot cakes due to their receptive nature of the markwt as of late I'd say yeah you need to atleast come put with a firearm that has better capacity and or a good value for a cheaper price.

Same logic why people like Honda Civics over Lexus sedans.

>>33428447
Why get an LC9 compared to a Shied?

The problem is not enough manufacturers produce a single stack carry gun. Like if I'm going to sacrifice that much of a barrel, and have it be that short in height, I'd like the gun to at least be thin as well.

I just don't see the point in like P2SK's or Rami's. Short, and thick. Like I either want to carry a large compact doublestack that's borderline fullsize or I want something that's actually small, including thin.

>>33428502
There are a few. Some objective, some subjective.

>perfect trigger. Long pull, but very light and smooth.
>very small and light for its capacity
>thin grip, easy to conceal

People complain about the grip, but they just don't understand it. It swells out sideways at the back, ever so slightly. This gives the pads of your fingers something to push in to even if you have a bad draw. This, combined the smooth and predictable trigger, makes it near impossible to fuck up a shot an pull to the left or the right... all while maintaining a ridiculously thin package. It's certainly not a comfortable gun to shoot, but it's dependable and really good at what it was designed for.

Try it out next time your in a gun shop. Approach it with utility in mind and don't just think "this grip is too small and doesn't fill my hand".

>>33428638
Thanks. I'm learned to shoot pistol on a Walther, but the PPS just looks to wide to conceal easily with summer clothing down south. I'll check out the Ruger.

>>33428426
Federal HST 124gr 9mm in the nightstand gun and CCW.

Wolf Gold in the AR in the closet.

>>33428810
Wrong thread. Oops.

>>33428426
Seems to be the biggest problem with the big american manufacturers- they got lazy. Ruger makes bank with their 10/22 and revolvers. LC9 Pro is a damn good single stack too.

Why innovate if the same old thing is making you money hand over fist.

I feel like they are an affordable, "gud nuff" gun for whatever type you are looking at. Are they top tier for quality for anything atm?

>>33429207

Revolvers since freedom arms went belly up

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>>33428426
the lcpII is a subcompact .380 for deep concealment, it's not intended to compete with a 9mm with a full-size grip. The Shield is kind of a weird pistol anyway. The closest thing Ruger has to those is the LC380, which is a compact frame variant of the lcp.

>>33429014
Ruger has the opposite problem, in that they insist on refreshing their line-up and offerings annually and trying new models every ~6 years. Part of the impetus is fixing customer complaints with existing models, and the American is what a lot of people said they wanted out of the SRs. The American was supposed to get interest from LEOs but they really botched parts of the design by throwing out what the SR's did well and starting over. Now they will trickle out new variants of it every first Quarter until someone pulls the plug on it. If people actually like the 45 compact but don't want it in the American they might actually backpedal and finish the SR45c. Most of their products follow the same patterns. A new chambering for each revolver, delete an unpopular one. A model refresh or variant like the LCRx. One new product, like the Red Label. People wanted an AR, they got the 556. The strategy has mostly worked for them.

>list a bunch of semi auto centerfire pistols
>don't mention revolvers
>don't mention rimfire
>don't mention rifles
>don't mention SR1911

where's your post about hi-point making terrible machine guns?

Ruger is the best American gun company. They consistently put out a quality product at good prices and they are always trying something new. Anyone who shit posts about Ruger is either trolling or is verified noguns level ignorant.

This assault weapons ban supporting company is doing what it can. Which is not much.

>>33431335
>>33429014

being able to do that and still keep costs under control while being MIA is pretty impressive IMO. finish might not be perfect but you aren't paying 1k for a target pistol, 1911, AR15, RPR, whatever.

making pistols for LE is pretty stupid if you ask me, unless you have a bunch of departments that have expressed interest in replacing their service weapons already. didn't everyone just switch from .40 back to 9mm? that's the reason so many .40s are back on the used market.

>>33431409
oh sweetie bill ruger has been dead for 15 years. they even sell an ar-15 with 30 round magazines now. 2/10 try harder next time

>>33431401
i own more rugers than anything else. i plan on buying more rugers in the future. everything you just said is 100% fact and digits will confirm

>>33431409
Bill Ruger is long dead homie. Get over it. New management is all in for the home team.

>>33428460
The shield is ugly as sin though

>buying a semi auto ruger and not their revolvers, rimfires, or bolt actions from 300$ up to 1250$

You deserve it.

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>>33428447
I own a lc9s pro

mine jams constantly with 115gr target ammo. havent run much defense ammo thru it but, i already dont trust it.


seriously though, it jams at least every other clip

>>33431687
Sucks, does it jam on all ammo brands or just one? I noticed Remington UMC 115gr would occasionally fail to lock the slide back on my pistol. I've also heard Wolf loads lukewarm as well.

I switched to 124gr TMJ and no issues so far. 124gr might not be much fun to shoot out of a single stack though.

>>33428426
daily reminder that bill ruger was a gun control fag and anything bearing his name should burn.

>>33431724
First 2 boxs i put through it was something the shop had, i dont remember but it was a blue box...

then i pout 200rnds of maxxtech ammo thru it. probably jammed at least 8-10 times

then i switched to remmington core-lokt thinking maybe shitt offbrand ammo was the culprit. this jammed marginally less but still jammed it 3 or 4 times in a box of 100.

all 3 were 115gr. wish i knew what that 1st box was but ive never had any pistol jam as much.

i will look for something with higher grains next time and we'll see how it likes that. but as it is right now, i have serious trust issues with this thing.

jamming aside... its a pretty nice gun. trigger is great and I dont have any issue with the handle (it does have talon grips on it now though so it is a tad bigger)

>>33428460
>>33428607

Better trigger out of the box by far. Better ergonomics, about $100 cheaper, easier sight replacement.

Just to name a few.

>>33431687
>>33431770
in the interest of being fair, reviews for that maxxtech ammo mention a lot of stovepiping.

that was my problem most of the time, but had a variety of wacky jams.

maybe it is just the ammo though. i would had to talk down a gun and blame issues I see cause by ammo on the gun itself.

>>33431401
This. They're kind of like Kel Tec in that regard but they don't suck cock.

Find me another American firearm manufacturer that makes; a pocket .380, entire revolver line up including an 8 shot .357, their own unique design .223, ARs, and a GOAT line of .22 rifles and pistols, not to mention bolt guns.

>>33431425
Yes, but did they piss on his grave properly? No, they still bear his name even.

Also all Ruger revolvers are inherently fudd.

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>>33431844
Only a complete moron who knows nothing of how an actual business is run would get rid of a name with the recognition of Ruger. I bet you think S&W should change their name because of the Hillary hole? You sir are in idjit.

>>33431766

That doesn't matter any more, especially to the company as it exists now. Bill is dead.

>>33431413
Their casting process eliminates a lot of their production costs but front loads the expense, they plan around that development cycle. As for appealing to LE, not a great idea but a lot of people want to own what they think LE actually carry so it was probably a marketing strategy for civilians. They didn't release American in .40 but every department uses their own discretion for choosing their armory. My city is still using .40, the county over has .45s, the state troopers carry .357sig, etc. It was probably to lower costs and avoid overproducing when the civilian trend is away from .40 sales.

On the topic of Ruger, how is the 9E?

Been looking at cheeper (poor collegefag) pistols for a while and it's at the top of my list for first handgun. (Number 2 would be a S&W SD9VE).

Would anyone that has one reccomend or criticize it?

I just bought an sr22 for plinking. Ran cheap aguila and CCI mini-mags through it a couple times, I've gone through about 600 rds and it's cycled every time, never misfed. Comfortable to hold and fire, fan of the ambidextrous mag release and safety, pretty ergonomic gun, stupid easy to strip and clean.

Biggest complaint is that the sights weren't zeroed for shit when I got it from Cabela's. Easily fixed during the first shooting session

>>33432993
*cheaper

Fuck my phone

>>33432993
Very good choice, it has a few things deleted from it and all of the fixes made to the late production SR's. You can find them for under 350 right now. From my experience, the SD9VE would be closer to my 15th choice. They have some issues that other pistols in the price bracket don't, unless you can pick the thing up for ~250.

>>33432994
>sights
for some reason all of the Rugers I've handled lately have this issue, and it is very difficult to change the windage.

>>33431401
this. i love ruger! only owned one of their guns but i see the quality in their revolvers and 1911s, it shows. their 22lr pistols are the shit, they literally set the standard in the 22lr pistol world. i just wish they didnt take so long to come out with a modern polymer 22lr pistol

>>33431687

>clip

You deserve every jam

>>33433465
Thanks for the info. I suppose my choice was between a good pistol that will last throughout my gun ownership career, or a decent one that is cheaper but a somewhat temporary purchase.

I guess it says a lot that while I've been looking for a starter handgun, I'll find one that I like for a few days, but I'd always come back to the 9E as a practical choice.

>>33428426
Ruger american rifle series
Ruger precision rifles in various chamberings
Ruger pistols
Ruger revolvers

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>>33433557

>>33433598
they are beginner friendly pistols. Easy to disassemble, ergonomic, and good with recoil. You might have issues racking them because they toned the slide serrations down on the E and SR springs are pretty heavy. The grips can be slick; hardly a unique issue but grip tape can make a huge difference. You might need to paint the sights at some point. I highly recommend spending 2 minutes and pulling the magazine disconnect out when you get one.
And if you pass on the 9E a TP9sf is also at the top of the pack.

>>33431413
>that's the reason so many .40s are back on the used market.
Well yeah, that and people being idiots and acting like the FBI switch means the .40 is no longer capable of killing a man. Lovely how it highlights the inability of people to form their own opinions.

The bright side is all the dirt cheap .40s on the market

>>33431687
Considering it's a defensive gun and you're supposed to use enough of whatever ammo you intend to carry until you're confident it'll run with your chosen load, who gives a shit how it works with target ammo.

I'm not apologizing for ruger, nor am I saying they're all like this but sometimes the idea that a machine must function with everything you shove into it (and in the case of rifles, it must also be sub-moa) starts to wear on me after a while.

>>33431766
Daily Reminder that nearly everyone running a firearms business at that time did the same thing in their own way to protect their best interests. The man was in the business of selling firearms and he went full damage control. Now hes dead and the company is one of the most receptive, competitive and all around GOOD companies left. Enough with this sins of the father bullshit

Except HK, HK did us proud.

>>33431844
Keeping his name and putting out the SR762, SR556, AR556, 6.8 and .300blk minis that are sold specifically to ban states is about on part with a ministers daughter becoming a porn star before becoming a senator.

His corpse is floating in urine

>>33428426
striker guns that aren't glocks need to go away. i miss the hammer glory days. all these fucking new guns look the same.

>>33428447
G43 reporting in lcp a shit

>>33431687
You're limp wristing faggot.

When someone complains about "jams" on a small 9mm, just discard the statement immediately. Nine times out of ten the gun doesn't jam at all and they're gripping it like a woman.

>>33434127
thats a fair statement

>>33434530
i shoot with an air marshall instructor. did the same thing to him

also we are both gym rats so its not a matter of strength.

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>>33428426
Ruger has been meh since the beginning. they dont have the popularity (or contracts that come with it) that colt or smith and wesson does, and being led by bill "the ultimate fudd" ruger didnt help

now theyre trying to play catch up some 30 years too late, and like everyone trying make their own glock. Beretta, HK, and Sig are as well, to varied success. but like you said have bad marketing and ruger has always been rough around the edges in quality, even if theyre built like tanks

theyre just another decent tier company, with a few home runs and everything else being ok to not that great but not bad

>>33434875
strength != technique

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>>33435913
thats probably why i mentioned i shoot with an air marhsall shooting instructor

>>33428426
WTF are you talking about? The LCP has been one of their best selling pistols and one of THE best selling CCW's on the market since concealed-carry has been mainstream. It's been a huge success for them. The LCP II is their attempt to fix the one major complaint, the trigger, and hopefully smash the "glass ceiling" of the DAO trigger holding the gun back.

The SR series, you're right, has been pretty lackluster and never really caught on, but the 9E and the American pistols are Ruger's attempts to fix that. The major complaints about the SR series have been the overabundance of "safety" features, lack of modularity and the price. The 9E removes the paddle LCI and lowers the price by $100, and the American removes the rest of the "safety" features and adds modularity while being fully ambidextrous.

The LC9s Pro has turned out to be a great little pistol, well priced and delivers on features, but I wish it hadn't taken them three iterations to arrive at the thing that the market wanted in the first place.
>>33428460
Compared to the Shield, it's smaller and lighter, which are really the main two things that matter for a CCW. Most people also say that the LC9s Pro has the better trigger, which is priority #3.

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>>33428426
>They release the lcp 2 which is marginally better but no shield killer.
It was never meant to go up against the shield. The LC9s does, and is a very worthy competitor with an arguably better trigger.

The LCP 2 is meant to fit into the micro .380 pocket gun market, and right now it's the best out of all of them, especially for the price.
I picked mine up for $279.

>>33428426
The only area where Ruger has always legitimately fallen behind other manufacturers is their auto service pistols, if they put more thought into those and maybe finally got around to developing a pump/auto shotgun one could be happily armed with nothing but Rugers for the rest of their life

>>33431852
>Also, all Ruger revolvers are inherently FUN.

FTFY

>>33428426
>"Teh American" pistols which look like a glorified Nerf squirt gun with literally nothing to offer over a standard glock or Walther.
Ready to facepalm? The Ruger American Pistol has a modular FCG ala the P320. I bet you never heard that, huh?
>They simultaneously release the lcp pistol which breaks and has a shit trigger.
Nah, the trigger is fine and it doesn't break. It's just shit to shoot and the mag release is poorly positioned.

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>>33437491
I'd buy the shit out of a Ruger pump shotty

>>33436811
Every time I hear about the American I totally forget the thing is modular. They really dropped the ball on marketing when it's all Sig even talks about on theirs.

>>33438313
another Ruger shotgun probably isn't happening for another decade. The Turkish and Chinese market completely undercut American budget production clones of the 500 and 870 and the high end of the market is occupied. They tried to revive the Red Label but it was too expensive to produce and not be as expensive as a Weatherby over-under so they went all in on the AR market.

>>33438668
I think a $300-400 shotgun could give some healthy competition to Remington and Mossberg though.
Especially Remington with their shoddy QC lately.

>>33438313
>>33438668
>>33438806
They actually designed a pump shotgun in the 90s, never made it to market though. An auto shotgun will probably be coming out eventually though...

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2016/05/03/is-ruger-developing-a-shotgun/

>>33431401

I really do trust Ruger more than any other manufacturer. My shits-and-giggles guns come from a ton of people; my actual trust-my-life guns are Rugers. And a Mossberg. But mostly Rugers.

>>33439251
Also, even with an already saturated market I think a Ruger pump shotgun would do very well. All they have to do is incorporate the more desirable traits of the most popular designs - for example the simplicity and robustness of the 870 paired with the 500's ease of repair - while keeping the cost reasonable...which wouldn't be hard considering it's Ruger. Not being completely fucking hideous like a lot of the Turkish guns would be a big plus too, and not at all hard to accomplish.

>>33438668
Well the grip is modular, anyway...

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Does anyone watch those shows about murder trials? Like the ones that show old cases from the 80s and 90s where a husband shoots and kills his wife and almost gets away with it?

There are two things that stood out to me about the shows.
Asian wives murder their husbands and lot, and have a tendency to stupidly try and clean the blood out of the carpet with bleach.

The other is that every redneck trailer trash fucker seemed to have a cheap Ruger P series handgun that he shot his wife with.

>>33428426
>They release the lcp 2 which is marginally better but no shield killer.

LCP 2 competes with the bodyguard, not shield.

LC9s PRO is far more comfortable than the MP Shield, with a much nicer trigger. Depends on what you like in the grip ergos.

SR9c has 17+1 in the same size as MP9c. IMO SR9c is the killer product from ruger

American pistol is an abortion, it was meant to compete in the new military pistol trial, but never made it there. The requirement for the mfg to also supply vast amounts of ammo was a deal breaker

>>33431687
>seriously though, it jams at least every other clip

Detail strip it, I am 100% sure you will find the striker channel full of shavings, grease and garbage. Ruger should really put out a bulletin regarding this issue as it is widespread. Doesnt help that the gun comes soaking wet from the factory, and most dont bother cleaning it well enough before using.

I run mine dry as possible and I dont see anymore issues there

I also run 124gr HST

>>33439863
interesting. i will give that a try, thanks

>>33428426
Still waiting for the flaws / less glorious groups from their precision rifle.
Seems like great value, but none of Rugers guns were accuracy wonders so far.

>>33435714
>they dont have the popularity
Must be why they are in the top 3 biggest firearms manufacturers in the US then huh. They don't have the image that other brands put on, but that's about it

>>33431430
Found the faggot

>>33440277
It's really just same of the M77s, the minis and the auto pistols.

The American rifle, RPR, the mk series, 10/22, all of the revolvers and the No.1 have all been plenty accurate. It's hard to nail down the culprit of the M77 reports for sure

>>33440654
names like beretta, glock or smith and wesson are households names for everyone. Even if you know nothing about guns you know what those are.
A gun company may do well in sales, but having a well known brand name is often just as important. H@K, FN or remington have very good sales reputation, but the names arent as common place as some others.
There are three types of people when it comes to firearms. The gun guys, who know pretty much all the ins and outs of guns, different companies, whats good and whats not, ect
the anti guns, who dont know and dont want to know anything about guns so there knowledge comes from what they hear in the media or movies. And the people on the fence about guns, maybe they dont want to be gun nuts, but theyre interested to some degree

so 2/3s of those people, in my personal experience, gravitate towards what they know and by default its usually name brands

>>33431687
what? I use cheap as fuck steel and aluminum rounds and have zero issues. fix it.

>>33428426
>Not trying to shitpost
>tries to sneak in Walther™
>Fuck Ruger!

Cmon man I like Walther guns. Try a little harder to be less obvious next time.

>>33440755
I'll give you the revolvers, but neither stock 10/22s, american rifle nor Mk series are extremely accurate. They are decently accurate and have good value, but they do not represent the pinnacle of accuracy.

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>>33428426
Hey now, I like my American compact. I mean, it's 9, but it's very comfortable. The interchangeable backstraps are a nice touch too.

Ruger has quickly become my favorite gun company.
I love my Super Blackhawk
I lovemy SR1911
I love my 10/22
And I am still getting used to my American Compact

>>33443963
Oh, and I adore my American Predator

>>33428426
The american is cheaper, has all steel parts, dovetailed sights for easy change, steel sights, has internals similar to sig 320, has multiple grip sizes to fit all hand sizes, and has a better stock trigger than glock.

Additionaly, it is fully ambi, and has a thicker stock barrel, which I personally like.

>>33444145
That's the only bad thing about nice. The slide release on the right side of the frame is a little stiff. As in I can't release the slide with it. Not a big deal since inn a righty

>>33439863
>>>33431687
>>seriously though, it jams at least every other clip

>you will find the striker channel full of shavings

>>33439962
>>>33439863 (You)
>>interesting. i will give that a try, thanks

Let me know if that turns out okay? I am trying to see what can be done about some sort of compensation, or parts update on Ruger's end.

It seems that the striker channel is very sharp at the opening.

This is shaving off a bit of brass from every round and taking in with the striker retraction, eventually gunking the whole thing up.

I personally took a tiny super fine stone to the opening to give it a bit of chamfer, and I am using a dry lube for the whole striker mechanism.

There is at least a couple guys at ruger interested in solving this issue, hopefully they can make enough noise to net us owners a laser rebate or something.

>>33443583
hm.

troubleing.

hoping tomorrow i can give >>33439863 a try, dont have time tonight but this might be the only problem.

>>33446947
good luck dude. even if you have a lemon, ruger makes good on their warranties.

>>33443479
>they may be popular but they aren't popular

Hell of a case you put together there. I know what you're trying to say, but Ruger not having a prestigious image or well known service weapons doesn't mean they aren't widely known based on your personal experience

>>33443903
And where did I make a claim of extreme accuracy.

>>33449980
getting awful defense there Bill, go back to your grave