milsurp thread

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I unmil'd my surp.

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>>33425318
That's nice, bubba.

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>>33425294
posting :3

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What I got.

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Remember that crusty Arisaka from a few generals ago?


Is arrived. Stay tuned in three hours for big reveal

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>>33425416
Kewl.

>>33425294
I hate how the milsurp train has ended for me.

Bought most of my guns between 2008 - 2012.

Now prices are unjustifiable.

I've started buying new production firearms.

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>>33425449
I know that feel

>>33425449
I can justify a few prices, but im starting to doubt ever owning a non refinished and matching nazi k98k

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>Yugo mauser can't hit shit at 50 meters

how the fuck do I figure out what's wrong? I have cleaned the fucking barrel a ton and the rifling appears strong but I just can't figure out where the fuck these bullets are going.

should I take it to a gunsmith and see if the sights are fucked?

>>33425545
hows the crown?

>>33425545
Most milsurps are sighted in much farther than that. These don't have the same ballistics as an ar15 so that 50/300 crutch is out of the equation

>no funs here
There's a mosin for sale near me for 350$, pre war, hex reciever, looks in pretty good shape. Should I get it?

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>>33425555

pic of muzzle crown + sight.

>>33425595
>Most milsurps are sighted in much farther than that.

I have contemplated testing at 100m but even then if the rifle is aiming high for a distance of 100m shouldn't I be seeing it on the paper when I aim low?

the fucky thing is it seems to be either shooting way fucking left or way fucking right but I can't figure it out even after 60+ rounds. I have deliberately shot low and right and hit paper once and then repeating that same action it didn't hit the paper at all.

I used PPU 196 grain with 12.7 grain for my early shots and they hit paper but it was erratic.

today I used PPU national match with 200 and 12.96 and holy fuck out of 30 rounds I hit paper maybe 4 times.

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>>33425294
Those 12 hours without the milsurp thread were some of the longest in my life.

>>33425689
>>33425545

I had the EXACT same problem with a Yugo Mauser when I was sighting it in with a scope mounted on the rear sight. Here's what I did step by step:

>Mount scope (or in your case, skip this step to use iron sights)
>Set up a nice large paper target
>Get REALLY close to it, say 5 yards
>Aim at the center and fire, inspect paper to see if the shot landed where it was intended to land
>If it landed correctly, back up another 5-10 yards and repeat
>keep doing this until you finally see a noticeable difference in where you aim and where the bullet hits

In the case of a scope for mine, I simply had to zero it in properly. Once it was fulled zeroed, it shot flawlessly. I've been using Turkish surplus ammo in mine, and I'm nailing a 3 inch target at 100 meters with little effort on my end.

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>>33425545
>how the fuck do I figure out what's wrong?
Buy a roll of contractor paper and make a 4'x4' square around your point-of-aim.

>>33425689
>Circle-Z on a flush-fit front sight base
That's not a Yugo sight base; that's Czechoslovakian. What model of rifle is that?

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>>33425449
>Only buying cheap things
What a terrible life.

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Picked up a Hakim today, for $600 out the door.

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It's growing.

>>33425798
Neat. Keep your fingers safe.

>>33425798
>>33425835

>tfw knew someone who put Turk ammo in a Hakim
>tfw he somehow didn't get blown the fuck up

>>33425798
Sweet. Have fun. Get a gas adjuster. $1 @ buymilsurp.com

>>33425847
I was speaking more to the... propensity for rifles like the Hakim and the Ljungman to slam on your fingers when reloading. Turkish ammo should be fine.

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>>33425782

>That's not a Yugo sight base; that's Czechoslovakian. What model of rifle is that?

markings say: mod 98 with preudizce 44 near it. both on the side of the receiver opposite to the bolt.

here's a full length pic I took a few months ago.

>>33425767

I think that's what I need to do. I'll have to do it with a bore laser with a partner as no where nearby has that shit and I don't want to go in the woods and possibly do something stupid.

>>33425870

Supposedly Turkish was too hot for them, or so Ian claims.

https://www.forgottenweapons.com/why-we-dont-use-turkish-8mm-surplus/

I shoot it all the time through a Mauser, but I have no idea how it performs in a semi.

>>33425877

That's odd, because the fact that it has a firing pin holder (or whatever you call it) in the stock, along with that band placement means it's a CZ.

>>33425847
>>33425880

I usually don't run surplus ammo through any of my semi auto rifles, but I'll definitely make sure avoid using that in them.

Is it too late to get a good deal on a K31?

>>33425877
Is the stock matching? Yugoslavia serialed their stocks.

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>>33425967
Yes. Be prepared to spend $500+ these days.

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>>33425988

here's a picture of the stock serial number

I believe it's a 6 w 86? if the 86 is a solo serial number the stock may match the top of the magazine which is marked 86 as well.

Is the MAS 36/51 worth more than the standard 36?

I was looking for one today at a gun show only found one 36/51 for $600.

>>33426172
No, maybe $50 more than a regular 36 refurb. $600 is too much.

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>>33425877
>markings say: mod 98 with preudizce 44 near it. both on the side of the receiver opposite to the bolt.
Oh it's you. Yeah your rifle is really neat. Here I was thinking it had an original Gew.98 barrel on it but seeing the CZ mark on the sight base probably blows that out of the water.

>>33425899
These long Yugo Mod.98 rifles are an interesting mix of Imperial German Gew.98 and Austrian M1914 Mauser parts (which Serbia got many of as reparations from WW1), with Gew.98M and Kar.98k parts from the Nazi German invasion 20 years later. Now maybe there are some Czech Mauser parts in there too; Yugoslavia bought an unknown number of Vz.98/22 rifles and 90,000 Vz.24 rifles from CZ in the 1920s and '30s.

>>33426153
>I believe it's a 6 w 86?
Looks like 8785 to me.

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>>33426211

>Here I was thinking it had an original Gew.98 barrel on it but seeing the CZ mark on the sight base probably blows that out of the water.

damn I thought it was an original gew 98 barrel too.

>Looks like 8785 to me.

yeah the W was blocking the 7 in the picture. either way the stock doesn't match anything. could that be causing additional problems in aiming/shooting?

>>33426281

I wouldn't think so. I have a Yugo M24/47 with zero matching parts and it still fires fine.

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>>33426281
>I thought it was an original gew 98 barrel too.
It might still be; only the Gew.98 and Czech Mausers used that style of front sight, so a Czech sight base would go on a Gew.98 barrel. Take the action out of the stock and look for any markings on the underside of the barrel.
>pic related, my Gew.98's firing proof and acceptance marks

>could that be causing additional problems in aiming/shooting?
Always a possibility, but my shooter-grade "Gew.98" has a poorly-fitted Turkish replacement stock and it still shoots just fine. Really I think you should start with a big piece of paper at close range (like 50 yards) and put a target in the center and shoot at that to determine where the bullets are going.

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Good ol' chileno. Took it out and ranged it today.

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Can't wait for Saturday. Finally get to test out my kar98. And shoot my Mas some more.

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>>33426396
Funny how little fighting there was in South America once the big guys were armed to the teeth.

>>33426443
Lucky, your stocks aren't all beat up. Then again, mine's a first year run with a matching low 3 digit number. For being 122 its still got a shiny bore though and can stack rounds.

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Are all Argentinian FN 49's converted to .308?

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Just picked this up last week. Both the rifle and bayonet are from Nagoya.

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>>33426357

here are some underbarrel marks. There's also a little V on the trigger. I have no clue what that means

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>>33426558

I think it's all basically Yugo markings. unless they are Czech but I can't tell the difference between the two.

>>33426534
I usually see them in 30-06. Unless those were somebody else's

>>33426443
I'm really considering getting an 1891 Argentine Mauser, any advice?

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East German Makarov

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took a new family photo today.

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>>33426443
Funny indeed.

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Here are my current surps.

>>33426704
Also, where's a good place to buy bulk 8mm mauser? Midway has some steel cased junk that gets mixed reviews, and I'd rather not do that...

What about the PRVI on SGAmmo?

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>>33426493
>Lucky, your stocks aren't all beat up
Well, they are only 118 and 106 years old, respectively.

>>33426558
Gotta be honest; I can't see shit. Is that a little rampant lion?

>>33426573
You said your receiver is marked "Mod.98"? It's probably a Kar.98k receiver, though I have seen Yugo rifles with "M.98" stamped on the receiver wall in the same place so they did sometimes re-mark rifles. Here's what's on the underside of me 1914 Mauser-brand-Mauser Gew.98. God knows what any of this shit means, but any Fraktur letters on the underside of your own receiver mean it might be Imperial German too.

>>33426621
>any advice?
Just the usual stuff to check with old 'surp. Avoid the Argentine 7.65x54mm made at San Francisco arsenal; they used a shitty ball powder that was prone to corroding the inside of the case.

>>33426657
>>33426704
Good 'surps.

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Mas got here today and it has a very interesting looking wood grain and no import marks. Pics soon.

>>33425678
that's a bit high for a mosin. Is it all matching or have an SA on it? Not really sure why it'd be marked that high otherwise.

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>>33426990
Prvi is great and probably the best value, but not the cheapest overall. I'd still just buy that instead of something else though. Save the brass.
>>33427019
Do hurry.

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>>33426998
>Gotta be honest; I can't see shit. Is that a little rampant lion?

I tried another few photos they all are impossibly tiny.

there's a '3' and then 2 stars both overlapping each other. one of them is faded.

here's a picture of the receiver but from the underside there's really no fraktur lettering only numbers and those star things.

on a weird side note I looked at the sight and it has some kind of bird thing. I don't know what the fuck it is. I'll post it next.

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>>33427151

here's the bird thing on the sight.

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Have a pic of muh nugget

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Was at my LGS today and my friend the owner said he got a Type 38 in. Come to find out it was an early war Bringback. It have a sling with a cloth tag on it with some Jap speak on it. Anyone know what this says? Is it a name, Platoon tag or something else?

>>33427066
I lied. Just found the tiny fucking import stamp

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All my French guns, minus my Gras musketoon.

>>33427230

>lebel
>mas
>berthier

I am so fucking jealous. mainly of the lebel and it's sex appeal tube magazine

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Been buying milsurp for about a month now, always had a fascination with old military rifle. I've got an M-48 Yugoslavian Mauser with an Bayonet, just below that is a Belgian made FN-48 that was made for the Kingdom of Egypt and made probably in the early 50's

I like think it's a nice collection so far, can't wait to shoot these guys and expand on this.

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>>33427266
>>33427230

I just got a new job, which means I should be able to afford even more milsurp soon.

Pic is a very beat up Gras musketoon that the seller said was used in north Africa.

>>33425346
I saw a Jungle Carbine at a local shop for $400 or $500 something. How are they to shoot?

>>33427200
It says: "Chinky chong chang, chong chink ching"

Great find!

>go to local shop
>see what looks like a Carcano on the wall
>labelled "Enfield .303"

People said this state had lots of fudds, and they were right. I honestly expected better from this particular shop though.

>tfw will never own matching t99 with full mum, dust cover, and monopod

it hurts to live

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>>33427292
My Swiss guns

>>33427343

I know this feel. I just want the full mum and dust cover and even that can sky rocket arisaka prices.

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>>33427151
That looks like a Kar.98k receiver then. Why the Germans marked them "Mod.98" instead of "Kar.98" like they did before I'll never know.

"PREDUZECE 44" is the Yugo military control code for the old Military Technical Institute factory in Kragujevac, Serbia. Since 1964 it has been known as "Crvena Zastava", or "Red Flag Works".

>>33427156
The "sS" is, I think, for "schweres Spitzgeshoss" or "heavy pointed bullet". Meaning the 197.5gr .323" projectile the Germans standardized on in 1934. The rear sight base is interchangeable, so the idea was that it would be replaced with a new one for whatever weight bullet the troops were using; the old 154gr S-Patrone or the new 197.5gr sS-Patrone. It's an original inter-war German part. The little bird is an acceptance mark.

>>33425294
Is that a mas 49
I learned of these in a video recently, give me more pictures and info lad.

>>33427514
That's a MAS 49/56. The MAS 49 is longer and has a different grenade launcher set-up and bayonet.

>>33427230
>buymilsurp.com

Any hint on where to get some lebel ammo?

>>33427569
I usually check gun shows, though a while back some place online had it in stock.

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>>33427375
And the rest of my milsurp.

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>>33427200
It says 6,6,2 on the right column. I'm sure if you post it on the "firearms of the Rising Sun" board on gunboards someone will help you more.
>>33427230
>jelly
>>33427292
Pretty beat.
>>33427301
I can't help you as I haven't shot mine yet. I need to fix the stock up a little first.

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>>33427385
Tfw bubba rechambered this 38 carbine to 257 something. (Roberts?) And refinished the stock. At least it's got a mum

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>>33427660
Here's the whole rifle
That's me in the pic by the way

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Posted this pic in last thread....might as well post again. Will post new m44 as well.

>>33425318
use it to take your life

>>33427607
It's pretty beat up, but it's kind of cool how they hammered percussion caps into it to make designs. And I only paid a couple hundred for it.

>>33427698
>new m44
I saw a guy at a gun show today who just bought an m44. Was it you?

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>>33427488

>That looks like a Kar.98k receiver then

so I have a kar 98k receiver. but the barrel length is 30" didn't the germans move to a 25" once they gave the designation Kar 98? or is this something with the yugos just saying fuck it and mix and matching?

>It's an original inter-war German part. The little bird is an acceptance mark.

>tfw the barrel isn't original gew 98
>at least the sights are inter war

I'll take it. this gun makes no sense to me anymore.

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>>33427698
Newest addition. All numbers matching no refurb.
Would like to get an SKS next but the only ones around me for sale are $400+ Norincos.
When I bought the M44 at LGS owner said he had a RIA 1903 Springfield he would sale for $600. I was going to jump on that until he showed it to me....sportirized.

>>33426704
>no M1 garand
>presumably an american
disgusting

>>33427660

see I couldn't get one if they rechambered it. shit just doesn't feel right to me.

>>33427748
Nope. Sorry anon.

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>>33427225
Yeah, they won't ever have the big billboard ones. Weren't imported then.
>>33427230
Needs a 44 and a pure 49.
>>33427346
Neat.
>>33427569
Gotta wait till May or so. That's when the shipment from Prvi is coming in. They only make it once a year.

>>33427774
>>presumably
Hey now. I just like interesting guns is all.

Though, there are some M1s I've looked at. I purchased the mausers recently just to get the feel for a specific vendor for larger budget items in the future.

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>>33427764
>is this something with the yugos just saying fuck it and mix and matching?
That exactly. Serbia/Yugoslavia actually had a fair number of long Mausers they got as WW1 reparations: 71,000 approximately, about half German Gew.98s in 8x57mm and half Austrian M1914s in 7x57mm. Starting in 1933 the M1914s were shortened and re-barreled to 8x57mm in order to make them conform to the new standard M1924 short rifle the Yugo Army had adopted. In 1939 it became the Gew.98s' turn, but only about half were done when the Axis forces invaded Yugoslavia in 1941. During the war Tito's Partizans were able to sneak into the untended factory and assemble a couple thousand working rifles before the Germans got wise, but after the war there would have been thousands of long Mauser parts sitting in a warehouse in Uzice. My guess is that these long rifles are what came of Tito's government deciding to throw all those parts together to make working rifles.

>>33427774
Garands are overrated.

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>>33425416
I'm back anons.

Leave it to jewbroker to undersell an item.

>>33427891
Can you even find 44's in the states?

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>>33428013
Behold! The dufflecut was never mentioned of course! The front action screw literally falls out. I assume the hole is stripped, the back action screw is seized so I can't seperate it form the stock yet.

>>33428038
Yeah, I see them fairly regularly. It's pretty much the only place to find them as far as I know.

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>>33425294
my .308 mauser also are milsurp flareguns considered milsurp or is that a gear queer general topic?

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>>33428053
The bolt was matching and chrome faced. The bore is also chromed, though its fucking dark as night in there right now.

I'm missing.. three screws thus far. Buttplate, nosecap, and sling swivel.

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>>33428077
Very nice... patina....

Handguard is split and the obvious duffelcut. Shouldn't be too hard to refurb them, they're clean splits atleast.

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>>33428089
Sadly the flower is gone. If it would of been there or one of those bayonet cut ones it probably would of been a real nice keeper instead of a range toy.

>>33428077
>>33428053
>>33428013

was this the arisaka that was recovered from the bottom of a lake or used as a paddle?

>>33427972

so does the receiver just screw into the barrel? I assume it's a bad idea to unscrew them and look at them?

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>>33428120
If it was they have an amazing finishing technique. There's no pitting at all, its just surface rust.

bonus pic: This was jammed into the cleaning rod hole. Poor nippon didn't get a rod despite having an earlier series.

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>>33428120
>does the receiver just screw into the barrel?
Yes.
>I assume it's a bad idea to unscrew them and look at them?
Not if you know what you're doing. Sometimes –and depending on the manufacturer– once a Mauser rifle has had its barrel installed and properly headspaced an index mark is made at the junction of barrel and receiver, thus allowing easy re-assembly if the barrel ever has to be taken off for some other reason. This only works if the barrel is serial-matched to the receiver, however.

You can see it here at the top of the receiver ring, going around the edge and down to the barrel shoulder.

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>>33428220
However, it's almost never necessary to dismount a milsurp rifle barrel from its receiver. These parts have usually been together for decades and can take some force to dislodge; best to just let them be.

Here's what the receiver ring threads looks like from the inside.

>>33428220

>This only works if the barrel is serial-matched to the receiver, however.

well fuck I'm not touching mine then.

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>>33428294

well fuck that's pretty cool

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>>33428294
>them pipe-wrench marks

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>>33428391
Bubba was not gentle with this one.

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>>33428456
Mother of god...

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>>33428077
That's a 22nd by Kokura Arsenal.
>>33428099
>If it would of been there or one of those bayonet cut ones it probably would of been a real nice keeper instead of a range toy.
You can't cut a hardened steel receiver with a blunt, flexible bayonet.
>>33428185
That's not too uncommon to see bamboo rods there. I suppose when they removed the monopods, dust covers, and sometimes the AA sights and cleaning rods to send to the scrap heap, I think soldiers that were issued ones without cleaning rods put those in there so they can still stack the gun.

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>>33428543
Hard life this one.

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Hey, what do these Breeki-Runes on my Yugo mean?

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>>33428598
Harder still because one of its owners was a moron.

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>>33428598
>>33428456
>>33428294
I've seen a lot of Lebels like that before. That's not something a French armorer would do, so for whatever reason some dealer or gunsmith or whatever had a number of Lebels and kept pulling the barrels off and putting them back on.

Just because something can be unscrewed, doesn't mean you need to unscrew it.

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>>33428599
I've got the bit on the right, Apparently means something like Factory 44. No real shocker.

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>>33428598

>tfw too weak to remove the extractor from my Yugo mauser so I had to user pliars to compress the extractor for removal

oh god I am become bubba destroyer of milsurp

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>>33428599
Abbreviation for People's Federal Republic of Jugoslavia.

The rest is the same as >>33427151 , just in Cyrillic. It's the factory code for Crvena Zastava.

>>33428611
>one
I dunno I bought it, so maybe you can lump me in with Bubba and King Carol too.

>>33428626
I remember a guy posting three Mosins on some forum (Gunboards?); one had a Berthier barrel installed (still in 8x50mmR Lebel), one had a Mauser 98 barrel installed, and the third was I think a Steyr M.95 barrel, all complete with the appropriate sights.

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>>33428720
>I remember a guy posting three Mosins on some forum (Gunboards?); one had a Berthier barrel installed (still in 8x50mmR Lebel), one had a Mauser 98 barrel installed, and the third was I think a Steyr M.95 barrel, all complete with the appropriate sights.

how and why the fuck would anyone do that?

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>>33428720
Na, you're alright.

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>>33428562
>You can't cut a hardened steel receiver with a blunt, flexible bayonet.
Obviously. But what would you call this? Someone just happened to have a hacksaw to gingerly X out the mum while at midway?

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>>33428737
>why the fuck would anyone do that?
You know how it is: small town; not much to do in the evening.

>>33428760
It's from a chisel. Two quick smacks with a hammer and it's out of imperial service.

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>>33428758

>tfw Canada/Russia will never flood the USA market with delicious SKS and SVT-40 milsurp
>tfw they are the only two Russian rifles other than berdans/mosins I want

>>33428760
That was cut by a chisel.

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>>33428763
hnnnnng something about that muzzle and lug band wub me the right way

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>>33428792
You don't want a 1895?

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>>33428818
It kills me that the muzzle extension is smooshed just enough that I can't mount the bayonet on it.

I'm 'mirin that 1st pattern M1916 bro.

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>>33428904
I would shameless handfit a bayonet ring to fit. Unless its severely off spec anyway.


I've posted this Spaniard many times. It was one of those Samco rejects. Poor girl's had a hard life. The rust was deep, I'm kinda afraid to fire it, the barrel may just blow out the side.

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>>33428833

oh I do senpai it's just I am only 24 and just started working so my bank account looks like hot ass.

>4 fucking grand

it hurts knowing that it will be decades before I am willing to blow that much on one firearm. especially one that is so fucking interesting mechanically.

I'm taking my M1 carbine shooting tomorrow for the first time. Any tips? It's a CMP Service Grade I think, Inland 1943 manufacture.

>>33428720
I wonder how they got the bolt to work with 8mm lebel

>>33428792
Import bans are the work of the devil, am I right?

>>33427660
>>33427684
Many Type 38s that were brought back were rechambered to .257 Roberts. That said do not shoot any .257 Roberts through that rifle.

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>>33425294
Australian here (QLD) with my collection. Is it okay?

>>33427998
cuck

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>>33427998
Here is your (((You))) that you wanted

>>33428599
>FNRJ

https://sh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hronologija_FNRJ


>Preduzece 44
Preduzece 44"(It refers to the site where it was refurbished; for example "Preduzece 44" stands for "Institute 44"-Kragujevac, Serbia-the current location of Zastava Arms

>>33425545
The base sight notch is about 200 yards.
I hate it too.

>>33429891
I have enjoyed shooting garands, but all you have to do is go and look at pricing on "rack" grade guns. They are clearly overrated, otherwise their price would be more in line with other rack grade milsurp that was produced in those quantities.

>>33430006
It sounds like you're trying to say that they're "overpriced", as your entire argument revolves around their "price" being "over" what you feel is appropriate.

Anybody get a Martini Henry from IMA recently? I've been looking at their Mk IV long levers for a bit. Would it be better to get a clean and inspected one or is there still a chance to get a good one that's been untouched?

>>33429533
As I understand it, you need a 257 Roberts case with a 6.5 bullet. But I think Remington ended up loading a 6.5x257 Roberts cartridge because bubba was being dangerous. So my rifle might be in the bubbad chambering or the Remington one. For now, it's just something for me to look at and cry. At least I can imagine that it may have taken out some dirty chinks

>>33430195
Why not just have it rechambered to .308 Win at that point? Its not like you would be fucking with an original barrel, chamber and bolt face

Anyone know where to find a Kar98az stock? My friend recently bought a sporter, the whole rifle is parts matching/original bluing, but the stock has been cut at the rear barrel band and is missing the handguard.
>>33429673

>>33430449
I also know that polish wz29 stocks work as well if anyone can link me to either, i would very much appreciate it

>>33430014
You seem to think you're only responding to one person.

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What do you guys think of my Swedish Mauser?

I fucking love it. Shoots like a dream and it's quite nice to look at.

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>>33425877
That mauser is a captured one. which means it could have been produced in czechoslovakia or germany or even poland. It surely isnt a yugo made rifle. ... Its beautiful btw.

(pic isnt mine)

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>want to buy military surplus guns because I hear they're cheap

>they're several hundred dollars

>cheap ones are out of stock

Is this because of the Obummer regulation shit I heard about or what?

>>33430803
Surp just aint for you, buddy boy.

>A few hundred dollars is expensive

Try hi-point.

>>33430837

It is expensive for milsurp. The point of milsurp is that it's usually cheaper, but still good shit.

If I'm gonna spend hundreds, it'll be on an AR-15 or something. I guess the days of $100 Mosins are gone.

>>33431052
Yup, the under $100 party train is done and gone. Cold war prevented many new world type wars so no massive flood of newer style guns happened.

Got offered a numbers matching k98 for a kreigsmarine dagger of mine. What do? I'm fairly certain I'll never see another one of those daggers

>>33431166
Throw dagger into chest of Kar.98k owner. Now you have a rifle AND a dagger.

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>>33428456
Better than this shit.

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>>33428626
That's some next level autism right there.

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>>33430718
Nice. I love my 96-38 but I have to admit I struggle with the sights.

I just got back from trying out some loads in my 96, trying to get approximately m/41 velocity. I think their load was 46.3gr of NC1220 and so far 46gr of N165 gives me 2577fps as average so the powders must be comparable, I expect another tenth of a grain or two will get me to 2600. Will make it easier to match sights but I think their bullets probably had a better BC than the cheap PPU I use so at longer ranges I'll still be dropping more.

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>>33425294

I've got something a bit different.

Remington Model 11 Sportsman, US Ordnance marked, factory Cutts Compensator.

1 of about 2500 made.

Navy and Air Force used these to train ball turret and anti-air gunners to lead targets using clays.

>>33427301
Mines neat but about as accurate as throwing the rounds myself

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>>33429891
>Implying I was trolling
>Implying I'm wrong
They are overrated. They're heavy, long, not as reliable as some people think, a pain to clean, and can only shoot a neutered load of their own ammo (without a aftermarket gas plug). If you enjoy them, great. Nothing wrong with that at all. Just understand their limitations.

>>33430006
There were about 6.1 million garands made made. We do not have definite numbers but about 1 million of those are currently in Korea. That leaves 5.1 million. Probably another 500k-1M were destroyed by captain crunch. Leaving at worst 4.1 million. There were then battlefield losses and guns that were just pushed overboard after WW2. Again estimates but I would give a good estimate of 400k. So at worst case 3.7M left. Now we also had lend lease where we lent many M1s to foreign countries 170k went to Iran which we will never get back so that's 3.53. Free France during WW2 got 60k not sure how many came back from there. And an innumerable amount of rifles got modified for training and became drill rifles. Many became ceremonial rifles taking more out of the pool. We really don't know how many garands there are in existance anymore.

A good comparison to the garand is the sks. There were more than 15 million SKs produced.
The price for the garand makes sense for the relative rarity that they are.
If for sheer numbers alone the SKS should be 1/5 the price of a garand but you can get a nice garand from the cmp for double the price of an SKS these days

>>33430803
No it's because you heard wrong. Milsurp is not cheap and never will be again. If you have no interest in being a collector then just find something else.
>>33430449
Gunbroker has a couple right now I think.

>>33431402
They can take a full load just fine... there is nothing neutered about m2 ball loads. The garand just requires specific pressure curves. If you use the right powder there is no issue at all. You can use a wide array of bullet weights and a wide array of powders
>name fags are getting more cancerous

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>>33431426
>Not liking the same thing as me is cancerous
Ok chief.

>>33431399
wtf

>>33431450
It was more about you putting out incorrect information as fact

I'm just new to guns, I have a 10/22 and want something bigger/cooler/more interesting and I love the milsurp stuff.

I just don't know where to start, is there a milsurp sticky or pastebim? What kind of rifle should I target as a first purchase?

I'm a leaf so not sure if availability in Canada might be a big factor. Anyways, Mosin? SKS? Mauser?

Thanks for the help, n-n-no bully pls.

>>33431512
if anything low end stuff is more available in canada than the us because of import laws. Get a svt 40 or something.

>>33431460
Well first, it's a generally understood colloquialism, but if you really want to be pedantic about it fine. You can use something that isn't M2 ball ammo, so long as you stay inside the pressure curve. I'll concede that point. But that's still a flaw in the design. My SVT doesn't have that problem. My SKS doesn't have that problem. My Mas 49 doesn't have that problem. They either self regulate or have an adjustable gas valve.

>>33431512
>I'm a leaf

SKS is obvious and easy, but the SVT-40 is Leaf-masterrace-tier and you should definitely get the auto-nugget.

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hello milsurp thread, yesterday I realized that the bayonet ive had for years is actually crooked and wont fit on my newly aquired type 99. Whats the quickest way to kill myself?

>>33431635
Seppuku with the bayonet

>>33431256

I creamed my jeans with this one anon, nice setup

thanks, she's my new favorite.

The lube I used in it first cleaning caused the bolt to jam up real nice in the cold. Like, it was near impossible for me to get it unstuck myself.

YET, the thing absolutely refused to FTF or FTE, hasn't malfunctioned yet. I guess these are just as reliable as they are cracked up to be.

Only thing I don't like about it is how it has this sharp recoil on your trigger finger specifically, for some reason.

>>33431648
>>33431706


oops didn't link you for some reason

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>>33428980
>I would shameless handfit a bayonet ring to fit. Unless its severely off spec anyway.
Then the bayonet wouldn't fit so well on my M1891 and M1909 long rifles.

>>33430718
I like the m/38, but m/96 a best. Long Mauser is best Mauser.

>>33430449
>>33430454
>I also know that polish wz29 stocks work as well
No, you'd want a Polish Wz.98 stock; Wz.29 stock would be too short.

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>>33431635
The bayonets don't always fit on the rifles. Japanese soldiers would try to find one that's not too loose or too tight for them to have. Not going on is better than one that doesn't want to come off.

I used to own one like that (pic related). I started pounding on the pommel with my wrist and right as I thought that was a stupid idea to be looking right at the thing, it flies off and kisses my cheek right below my eye.

japanese rifles are shit

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Check out this 1896/11 Auction.

No reserve, nice gun, it's going to end today with the bidding stuck at $190

I dont need any more swiss rifles, even at that price, maybe a lucky /k/ommando can steal this.

http://www.gunbroker.com/item/630360556

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>>33431782
They aren't for shooting, they're for banzai charging home invaders

>>33431804
>posting live auctions
infraction!

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>>33431718
>Then the bayonet wouldn't fit so well on my M1891 and M1909 long rifles.
Sounds like a great excuse to get more bayonets.

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>>33431782
No u

>>33431776
Then would it be blasphemy if I tried to bend it to fit?

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>>33431776
When was the guarded front sight base like >>33431927 introduced for the Arisaka Type-38 rifle?
There's an auction coming up with a complete T38; the picture of the series marking is poor but it has the ears on the front sight base which makes me think it has to be a Kokura 25th Series.

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>>33431954
It was in the 1930s. All Tokyo Arsenal rifles didn't have guards. When Kokura and Nagoya took over production from Tokyo they started out with the non guarded front sight, but quickly transitioned to having one.

That's also only for rifles. Carbines always had guards.

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>>33431995
Thank you, so I'm definitely looking at a Kokura T38.

>>33432061
Tokyo never used series markings so it's pretty easy to tell them apart.

>>33430142
The untouched are a total grab bag.

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>>33432061
This is fake. that rifle has a dust cover. japs threw those away because dey was noisy

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>>33431523
>>33431615

thanks guys, have some thicc

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>>33432261
You don't know thick.

Anyone have any experience in rebarrelling an Enfield?

>>33425347

I'm just starting to get into milsurp, and I was wondering what inexpensive but reliable rifles you guys would recommend aside from a nugget?

>>33432374
Turk Mausers. Some south American Mausers.

>>33432374
Yugo mausers. SKS

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>>33432261
>>33432303
Step it up.

>>33432374
>inexpensive but reliable rifles you guys would recommend aside from a nugget?
A Maus– >>33432410

That.

>>33427602
Krag carbine?

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>>33432427
any leafs here with a good source for milsurp other than just googling and picking random sites that never have stock on anything?

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>>33427019

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>>33432511
And other side

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>>33431813
Daijoubu.

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>>33432511
That is a nice one. You're also a good photographer though.

Actually that looks like an immediate post war rifle. Is the metal parkerized or painted?

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>>33432427
>Step it up.
What did he mean by this?

>>33432558
I think it's parkerized >>33427346
This is a close up of the receiver

>>33432696
Yeah that's parkerized. Still looks nice though.

>>33432709
>>33432696
>>33432558
An FH series would have been made without the stoving applied to the finish as they stopped doing that in 1948. That one was made in 1952.

>>33432204
That's not true. The Japs were trained to respect the rifle in it's entirety. It's the GI's that brought the rifles back that tossed the dust covers.

>>33430718
i like your lawn, looks like putting green grass but longer and uncut

>>33430803
>>33430803
its a mix of obongo policies that drove up all gun prices and cut off certain surplus sources, video game playing millenials, and lack of non-retarded importers

>>33431512
I just bought one of these myself. Cheap, uses .22lr, a great shooter, and looks just like a nugget. I'm not sure if Bud's will ship to Canada, but it's worth asking about.

https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/719004479/Firearms/Rifles/Other+Rifles/N%2APOLISH+WZ+48+22+LR+TRAINING

>>33431166
what would you rather have, a dagger or a rifle? depends on the condition of your dagger and the condition of the k98. also to be sure its matching you will have to go over it carefully, is it from a trustworthy person? it is possible to fake matching #s and if you are a noob you wont know what to look for

>>33431207
wtf are you doing to that enfield

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>>33431418
there is still cheap milsurp and the russian shit will be cheap again, and if we can stop the "destroy guns in africa" meme long enough to buy up shit and bring it in, there is a shit ton of surplus in africa

>>33431804
>http://www.gunbroker.com/item/630360556
>>33431804
non matching stock, non matching rear sights, probably other shit doesnt match. the price is about right for that

>>33432374
>
>>33432410
>>33432410
this, you can find turkish mausers for sub $150 still if you get lucky, and sub $200 all day any day

>>33432987
Those african countries can make a lot of money importing all those FALs, G3s and AKs into America

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>>33432832
Japs didn't get no trainin like the boys did.

>>33431450
I really like m95 but the recoil is really unforgiving.

>>33432832
Wtf are you on? Those dust covers rattled a lot and the japs did ditch them. Respected their rifle? Half the time they weren't even outfitted properly to maintain their equipment let alone their laquered ammo

Very new here, is 400$ alright for a good condition Yugo SKS in the US? I remember them at 150~ a few years back before I had my disposable income I have now

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>>33433107
Yeah it's pretty stout. All the more so because I shoot south paw and the sling swivel wants to become extremely intimate with my palm.

But it's still fun as fuck.

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>>33433146
And yet, you can't find original photographs that support the claim that they threw them off of their rifles. The fact is that they only rattle when cycling the action and that means you fired the gun. Just like the Garand Ping myth this shit won't go away.

https://youtu.be/-kK044FzPnI

You can find images of Type 38s in Japanese, Chinese, British, Russian, Finnish, and Mexican service with dust covers attached. Clearly, there was nothing wrong with the dust covers.

There's a local gun shop near me selling a MAS 36 and a MAS 36/51. Each of them for $500. Which should i get?

>>33433167
Oh shit me too dude! How accurate is your gun? Mine can't hit a side of a barn, i think i need to fix the irons.

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>>33433167
>shooting wrong handed
>ever
>>33433227
Those are both on the high side unless the former is WWII correct.

>>33433234
Haven't done any formal accuracy testing with it yet. I can just clays at 100 yards pretty easily though.
>>33433227
That's a bit high.
>>33433248
I'm essentially blind in my right eye, and missing about 1/3 of the tip of my right pointer finger, so it's a necessity. Also having my strong hand as my support hand works out really well.

>>33433220
They most likely got lost when the many GIs disassembled them and stuffed them inside duffel bags to bring them home.

>>33433157
You can get them brand new for ~450. If it's in good shape and you can walk away with it right now instead of dealing with a transfer, might as well I guess.

>>33433351
what is this is?

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>>33433351
Hey Kebaby.

>revarnished mas 35 that's not matching

how much is this? did the French even varnish their rifles?

>>33433418
$475

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>>33433357
http://www.turkmauser.com/03/
>>33433381
hello friend!

>turkslime rifles

>>33430793


funny enough the people selling it said it may be a capture.

Here's the link with all the details on the rifle. There's a ton of information.

http://www.gunbroker.com/item/598149513

>>33431410
You've made several incorrect assumptions there.

But hey, you want a garand, get one. What do I care?

>>33429636
I'm okay with it.

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>>33433447
;^)

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Anyone know how accurate a rebarreld mauser can be?

http://www.schwabenarmsgmbh.de/katalog/sar_k98k.pdf

>>33432488
CGN equipment exchange for second hand stuff, they go pretty fast though depending on the rifle. Otherwise, there are various retailers

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>>33433447
They have some neat shit occasionally.

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I just shot my Enfield no1 mk3 for the first time yesterday. After firing it, the bolt would stick close and be hard to open. When I got the casing out it would have these sort of melted marks on the bottom of the brass. Anybody know whats going on? Pic related.

This thread needs more handguns

>>33433657
sounds like you have a case of broken shit

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>>33433595
I like mine just because of this

>>33433657
What brand of ammo is it? It looks pretty typical though. Enfields have pretty open chambers so they can chamber even the dirtiest rounds.

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>>33433687
Thanks Doc, whats my treatment options?

>>33433657
sounds like a loose chamber

>>33433728
Its some soft point PPU. I don't remember the grain, but the bolt shouldn't have stuck closed like it did, it was like a case of sticky bolt syndrome with my mosin.

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>>33433739
Can you delve into that a bit more? What is a loose chamber, and how would I check if thats what it is and fix it?

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I managed to pick up this yugo mauser for a good price and was wondering if someone tried to sporterize it. Are the pegs for a scope? If so, what scope would use those pegs?

>>33434080
It's for some scope mount. No idea what kind though. It doesn't look like Zrak scope mount that I've seen, but they have used others.

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>>33432987
>>33433064
they sure can. the problem is we as collectors are basically being outbid by the anti-gun globalists in the UN and Obongo, who basically pay these african countries to destroy the guns or give them incentives like new guns for their military or money for politicians for rounding up and destroying the "illegal guns"

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>>33434198

>>33433657
looks like you have a rough chamber, maybe pitting or fouling or light rust. clean the chamber out REALLY well, see all that scuffing on the brass?

>>33433733>>33434230

take a drill, put a copper brush on it, spin it slowly in your chamber with solvent. inspect with a flashlight

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>>33434214
wait for it.....

>>33434194
Do you think perhaps it could be a field modification that a bosnian or serbian soldier/citizen did or just some poor mans rifle? Its a very rough solder and they drilled the pegs, which are surprisingly level, into the reciever. There was also a lot of broken solder in the reciever just bouncing around.

>>33427200
It says "anime is real".

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>>33434274
>>33434214
TAN TAN TAAN TAAAN TAAN TAN TAN TUH TUN TUN TUH TAN TAAAAN TAN TAN

TAN TAN TAAN TAAAN TAAN TAN TAN TUH TUN TUN TUH TAN TAAAAN TUNN TUH TUNNNN

TAN TUH TUH TAN TAN TUN TA TA TAN TAN TUNNN

TAN TUH TUH TAN TAN TUN TAN TUNNNNNNNNNNNNNN

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>>33434336
>screams heard while burning alive

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>carcano is heard sizzling

>>33434336
I know most of it's just beat to shit ak-47s, sks, and sporter shit, but god damn there must be some real gems in there and it's a shame to see them go.

>>33434383
it's a shame to see them go because they are fucking idiots. if they weren't they would lock these guns up in police/military armories and use them for training or allow museums to request them for displays.

instead they want to appeal to knee jerking retards so they destroy usable and useful things.

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>Hello darkness my old frienddd

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>>33434383
theres a lot of enfields and other classics from ww2 if you look closely

>>33434482
>those garands
>probably actual US surplus from ww2, in correct condition, non rebuilds that go for thousands of dollars in auctions
WHY

>>33427514
You can check Forgotten Weapons YT channel for that.

Here's an appetizer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKyey_XTcws

It's direct impingement, stripper clip fed, 7.5mm semi auto. The magazine is also easily detachable.

>>33434511
Don't see any garands desu.

>>33434482
>yfw you know the chief keef of kenya police got to cherry pick the confiscations for his personal collection

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>>33434336
>>33434354
>>33434380
>>33434443
>>33434482

Alright guys I get it. It's awful. I can't take any more. All I see is this now

>>33434533
far left, in line with the niggas white hat, and middle far right, in line with the niggas pink bucket

>>33432987
>>33434198
>>33434274
>>33434336
>>33434354
>>33434380
>>33434443
>>33434482
We need to protest this evil.

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maybe im wrong, i just thought these looked like garands

>>33434611
Those were the two I noticed, the right one almost certainly is, and the left one I think probably is too. At first I saw that bit of silver near the left one's sight and thought it looked like a bolt handle but now I think it's just something deeper in the stack.

>>33434590
full footage and info if anyone wants to watch

http://www.africanews.com/2016/11/16/photos-arms-on-fire-kenya-destroys-over-5200-illegal-firearms/

>>33433248
What would be considered WWII correct?

>>33435132
It would look like mine. It would have the black enamel paint on the metal parts. Everything was milled. Had a non hooded front sight and doesn't have a ring for the front sling swivel; it's a bar on the side and bottom. The rear sight doesn't have a bottom. Note that several of those features changed a little bit later after production was restarted in late 1944.

>image limit reached

>>33425967
I got mine at a gun show in 2015 for 350

>>33425967
no. its a $1,000 rifle that can still be bought for half of that

>>33425967
I mean, they should in theory still be selling in the 300-450 range, but the only place to get them right now is private sale and auction sites.

about to buy a matching numbers k98 for $1000. am I paying too much?

>>33435402
no, depends on condition, maker, parts, lots of factors. rare makers can be $3k for a matching example, even more

>>33435402
post pics in a new thread and we can tell you what its worth

>>33435587
>>33435573
wont have it for a few days still. Its a vetern bringback that has been in some old dudes attack for 70 yrs. 1944 mauser. Finish is probably 60% ish I think. I was really drunk when I last saw it

>>33435645
Obendorf
Byf

>>33435380

how long until they start sky rocketing in price?

>>33435725
That's already begun. I read that classic is getting one more shipment of them though

image limit reached! quick post a new bread!

>>33428013
I can't get this damn tang screw out of the stock/tangs. I broke one of my screw bits already, fucker is in there good. Been soaking in kroil all day.


Anyone have an idea how to apply heat without torching the stock?

>>33436238

>Anyone have an idea how to apply heat without torching the stock?

rookie gun fag here but what if you took boiling/really hot water and dipped a qtip in it and then immediately applied to that screw?

I don't know how bad boiling water would screw with that type of wood/finish but the qtip would at least help keep the boiling water on the target screw.