what's the next weapon to surpass nuclear gear?

There isnt any.

bipedal walking tanks.

>>33423952
what about harnessing strong nuclear energy?

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>>33423939

>>33423982
why are there so many jizz marks on that uv'd f-35?

>>33423939
>what's the next weapon to surpass nuclear gear?

biological weapons, something more contagious than a cold and more deadly than AIDS

possibly in the hands of terrorists

WEAPONIZED AUTISM

Quantum vacuum cascade bombs

>>33424065
Wouldn't that destroy the entire universe?

>>33423939
Anti-matter bombs, provided we ever find a way to produce adequate amounts of the stuff.

>all the bang of a nuke
>no radioactive fallout

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>>33423939

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memes

Play MGS2, as >>33424146 said, memes will become the next big weapon using the internet

>>33423971
>>33423939
For what purpose? To make a stronger bomb? We can make stronger hydrogen bombs than we currently do, but there isn't any point.

>>33424080
There would still be fallout. As extreme gamma and xrays can shatter the nucleus of some materials into fission and then they decay.
Sometimes neutrons are created from that decay and activate other materials. (gold, copper, chlorine, common elements)

>>33423952
space distortion and black hole weapons, better EMPs that dont need nukes to go off, AI controlled self aware and thinking terminators, laser blasters, controllable asteroids

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>>33424063
this

>>33423939
Sticks and stones.

>>33424080
Supposedly the US military is a lot farther along the path to antimatter weapons than most would guess.

I remember reading an article in a fairly legit source about how there was a lot of research on antimatter production and propulsion that was very promising in the 90's only to halt and completely disappear.

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>>33424043
>AIDS
>lethal

Anon...

>>33423939
Dropping you're mom from an airplane on enemy cities.

Armed conflict is about taking shit or denying access to others.

The Next Big Thing will be teleportation. It'll begin with using teleportation to move troops to the battlefield, but it will eventually be used to teleport an adversary's troops away from an area they are holding so friendly troops can occupy it.

It may be used to put small-scale destructive devices (putting ordnance on target) in ways that lower costs of attack and reduces collateral damage to valuable infrastructure or people.

Alternatively, it'll be used to forcably take resources and equipment.

Actual armed conflict on a large scale may be a thing of the past at that point. Maybe not.

I could be completely full of shit. My waifu seems to think so.

>>33426065
>The Next Big Thing will be teleportation. It'll begin with using teleportation to move troops to the battlefield
Surely it would sooner involve the teleportation of material, not men. Such as the teleportation of bombs into your enemy's bases.

>>33423939
rods from god

>>33424069
He did say more deadly than a nuke.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pure_fusion_weapon
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_isomer
>soon™

>>33424726
>>33424146
>tfw GW was the good guy all along.

>>33426237
This

Or strapping rockets to asteroids and performing KT extinction 2:Electric Boogaloo

>>33426221

Might start with teleporting the adversary's troops. I mean you're prepared to kill them anyway. Who gives a fuck about them?

>>33426824
Might as well only teleport bits of adversary's troops.

>>33426824
Properly harder to teleport a moving remote target, than to teleport a local stationary target to a fixed remote location.

I mean, I know jackshit about teleportation, but I'm pretty sure however it would work, that would be the case.

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>>33426756
And he planned his own destruction.

>>33423939

Directed nuclear weaponry, which in effect are lasers. A lot of research has been dumped into it already by the Dept. of Energy, but most of it's classified:

http://atomic-skies.blogspot.com/2015/03/third-generation-nuclear-weapons.html

Remember SDI (Strategic Defense Initiative)? That was the last real burst of research into the subject, thirty years ago. But then the Cold War suddenly ended in '91 and there was no longer any reason to develop completely new forms of nuclear based weaponry.

>>33426824
>>33426221
Better teleport enemy generals and presidents right into your prison.

>>33426065
*teleports behind you*
heh, nothing personnel kid
*steals your supplies*

>>33427063
It's all immateriel anyways

>>33424146
Actually the case, why fight when you can use cyberwarfare and distributed propaganda to get the enemies own citizens to do it for you?

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>>33423939
PGMs already have.

During Vietnam the USAF determined that one strike with statistical nukes was the equivalent of seven conventional strikes.

After Gulf 1 the USAF determined that it took nine conventional bombs to do the work of one PGM.

That is the main reason so many tactical nuclear weapons are no longer in use anymore. You don't need 30kt to kill a bridge when you know you can actually hit it. You don't need a Davy Crockett, a 155mm W48 or the proposed anti-tank nuclear tank round to take out a Soviet/Russian tank when you can simply use a TOW. You don't need a 5mt airburst to take out incoming missiles anymore. Precision munitions have taken over areas that used to be dominated by nukes,

>>33427472
>statistical nukes
Tactical nukes.

>>33427472
What we really need are tactical nuke PGMs.

>>33423966
>implying there aren't weapons to surpass metal gear...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrothermal-chemical_technology

What ever happened to ETC guns?

>>33428023
Oops wrong thread.

>>33423939
Plasma Bombs

Wolbachia

High energy plasma vortices.

>>33426958
>>33427063
>>33426851
>>33426824
Or just do something serbian death squad tier and have the teleportation array "partially" transport some matter of the target so you create a completely unblockable weapon that literally transports hearts from bodies or turns people into swiss cheese by only transporting pillars of organic matter.

>>33428095
Teleport their dicks off. The ultimate in psychological warfare.

>>33426065
Not possible in the foreseeable future. Maybe a couple thousand years of progress will see viable teleportation for anything large and complex enough to matter.

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>>33428095
>>33428349
>>33427063
>>33426958

>>33427203
FUCK. YES.

>>33423939
Metalgear

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>>33423966
step up niqqa

>>33423939
A cardboard box.

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>what's the next weapon to surpass nuclear gear?

I call it the "Underwater boat"

Solarluminescant power engines. They can make gold out of sea water and also boil water to turn turbines.

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>>33426065
Not a bad idea.

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>>33428972
Inspired

>>33424999
I'm laughing like a goddamn retard at this, and I have no idea why.

Vocal chord parasites

>>33429664
meme magic

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>>33423971
That's called a nuclear weapon, dumbass.
>"The strongest fundamental force in nature is the one holding nuclei together. We call this the strong force!"

>Durr, wouldn't it be crazy if we could somehow utilize the energy of this force by, say, splitting or fusing nuclei together? Shit would be wayyy more powerful than nukes!

>mfw

>>33428869
>>33423966

This things would literally sink on any terrain, you cretines.

>>33423939
2 nukes taped together with a Turkish family on bored because of roaches survive nukes and they can repopulate the area ruining it for all future Generations

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>>33430012
God have mercy

>>33423939
Thermonuclear Gear.
>t. 1952

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>>33423939
>what's the next weapon to surpass nuclear gear?

massive information networks, AI systems, and agencies with unlimited influence and authority

Soon, the internet is going to contain every scrap of interesting information on the planet. AI systems are going to sift through it and categorize people. Various agencies are going to subvert all attempts to fight their power by zeroing in on anyone who happens to be a threat, and then using any number of means to ostracize, coerce, or convince them into passivity

it's already happening - one of the last things Obama did was sign an act allowing the NSA to disseminate its data to all the other alphabet agencies (just in case Trump tried to fight the deep state, which he doesn't appear to be doing.) They already have enough data to determine who is and isn't a potential domestic terrorist based on things like speech patterns and group associations.

>>33423939
weapons of mass migration

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>>33430001
>hurr

Psyops and hybrid warfare, age of big battlefields will be over and most operations are carried out by unmarked/false flag units, don't need to nuke the enemy if they don't realise you're the enemy

Grey Goo, weaponized nanomachines turning whatever you drop/blow/spray them on into sludge

>>33430175

That thing is 11 tons, a Leo2a6 is 62 tons, an abrams is almost 70. Please explain to me how this would work out on legs.

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>>33430239
Well you could start by not using it to move MBTs.
That way it only has to weigh 11 tons plus weapons, ammo and armor.

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>>33430268

so take the thing that makes light armor useful, it's mobility, and give it slow ass legs, great idea, wonder why nobody on earth has attempted this.

>>33426221
Worked but the gou'ld and replicators have jamming codes now. Asgard transportation tech is useless.

>>33428869
>>33430001
>>33430175
>>33430239
>>33430268
>According to all known laws of logistics there is no way a tank should be able to walk. It's feet are too small to keep it's heavily armored body from sinking into the ground.

>The tank, of course, walks anyway, because tanks don't care what humans think is impossible.

>>33430286
>everything has only one application
It could be a great platform for artillery/anti-air.

>>33426065
Sounds like a displacer from a culture novel.
>make world destroying munitions suddenly appear inside hostile craft during space combat
>also used to get rid of air around craft during flight, to remove air resistance for faster flight, bonus effect: No sonic boom.

>>33428060
>laughs in big boss

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>>33430336
SLOW
L
O
W

Gravity weapons, bunkers don't do shit.

easily antimatter weapons

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>>33430403
tell me when you can store a kilogram in one place

>>33430420
http://www.edwardmuller.com/index.php?Page=calculator
You would actually need about 2.33 kilos to match the 100 megaton potential of the Tsar Bomba

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>>33423939
The Moon.

>>33430478
I highly recommend "The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress"

Sci-fi where people living on the moon get sick of earth jipping them and throw rocks at them

>>33430478
What a fucking idiot.

>>33430474
And you will need a high vacuum magnetic confinement chamber with attached power source easily several times and weight of the tsar bomba.

>>33430478
Horrible idea.

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>>33427472

This.

Also, what originally gave PGM research a large push forward was the fact that during the cold war NATO knew they had to fight hard but using nuclear weapons would lead to a horrible counter-strike.

Thus, accurate yet massive conventional strikes (for example, PG anti-tank cluster bombs) were seen as the most effective way to stop the kind of attacks that Russians would use.

>>33423939
Rusty, handmade Lee-Enfield knockoffs in the hands of illiterate Muslim goat-herders. Laugh all you like, but two nuclear-armed powers have proven unable to defeat them militarily, so they must be doing something right.

>>33430507
mad ravings? from a tranny?

A bipedal mech that screams like donkey kong

>>33423939
>true 99% ICBM interceptors
>quantum brute force hacking of enemy's comms and systems
>laser missile interceptors strapped on everything
>anti-stealth radars
>lockheed's compact fusion on planes/ships/whatever
>sensors, targeting and delivery of munnitions advancing to such a level and volume that a confrontation means manpower and material losses, comparable to a MAD scenario

>>33430545
>two nuclear-armed powers have proven unable to defeat them militarily
You do realize that in an all out scenario, both the US and USSR could've genocided most of the afgan goatfuckers with VX and carpet bombing in an year if they wanted to. The reason they failed was because they were too lenient and acted as policemen.

>>33430545
Actually, both country's handily defeated them militarily.

Strategically is where problems arise.

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Strong AI will probably disrupt everything military. I'm surprised it's not more of a priority in terms of defense spending. Technology tends to catch up to nature eventually it's likely inevitable for AI to appear, the only real choice is who wins the race.

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>>33425970
>very promising in the 90's only to halt and completely disappear.

Niggah, you hinting shit got real?

A next generation fusion bomb that uses something other than a fission bomb as a starter. All the power of a hydrogen bomb with no pesky fallout to worry about. Unfortunately youd need something like a super powerful lazer which is hard to package into a missile.

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>>33426221
>>33426065
Even half arsed teleportation would make a fine weapon:
>Scan/sweep/input the enemies troops and/or materiel.
>Deliver to another location, who gives a fuck (basically 200km up in the sky (Space), and don't even bother trying to reorganise the particales properly to reconstruct.

Just sweep the mateer up and dump it out of your way. Every science fiction story involving teleportation mentions the challenge of reorganising matter to sustain a living creature. Just don't bother with that part, and take a shortcut.

I could even imagine some kind of "vortex bomb", etc. Half a teleporting system dropped and smuggled into the enemy location, with an omnidirectional blast (suck?). The victims end up somewhere near the James Webb telescope.

>>33423939
Race mixing

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>>33430236
>nano
an't believe this was only mentioned once!

>>33430877
See >>33425970
Even a very small amount of antimatter would be enough to kick off a fusion reaction in a properly designed warhead. And most of the radiation from an antimatter explosion comes in the form of high energy gamma rays, so win/win.

Skynet, grey goo, or an electron harvester. Bossmode: gravity Wells.

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>>33423939
Antimatter, quite likely. The only reason it is not yet weaponised is that it is extremely hard and expensive to accumulate.

>>33430511
There's some consensus that individual antihydrogen atoms could be trapped inside a carbon fullerene and repulsive forces would keep it contained free if further energy input.

>>33431239
And there is also some consensus that it wont. Its largely a quantum physics problem, they wont know for sure unless they try. And besides, they do not actually know how to put it in there anyway. And anyway that would be utterly useless, as of now the energy required to produce antimatter is several times the energy of resulting annihilation.

>>33430474
Why would you need to match the Tsar Bomb if antimatter PGM the size of GBU-53/B can match tactical nukes?

>>33430478
>DROPPED from the moon

Angry

>>33423939
antimatter boosted fusion weapons.
>literally zero uranium or plutonium needed
>anyone with enough electromagnets and some water can produce the raw materials
>lithium 7 for cool points
>high energy fusion weapon with extremely low fallout
>only fallout comes from incidentally irradiated ash or dust swept up into the fireball
>fukkin small and light because no plutonium etc.
>what sanctions???

>>33431285
are you missing the fact that the acquisition of antimatter is now only an electrical generation problem? there are no sanctions, no control regimes, and no UN treaties stopping countries like Iran from acquiring it.

mix in some lithium 7 for dat juicy fusion reaction with a lead tamper and expanding foam ablative and you have year bombs with a few grams of antimatter.

>>33431739
for some reason, Samsung thinks the word tsar means I was trying to type year.

>>33431739
why do these threads die as soon as this is brought up?

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>>33423939
Something more than an half a glass of glitter

>>33424120
>Fat_man.gif

>>33431814
>there are no sanctions, no control regimes, and no UN treaties stopping countries like Iran from acquiring it.there are no sanctions, no control regimes, and no UN treaties stopping countries like Iran from acquiring it.

Like we're going to miss them building a fuckhuge accelerator...
also, if anyone gets antimatter bombs it's going to be the good ol' USA, we got plenty of Li-6 to use.

>>33426065
>teleportation

>A BLINDING FLASH EMINATES FROM YOUR CROTCH
>YOUR TESTICLES ARE NOW 300M TO THE NORTH.

>>33430001
this meme again, why not just do the calc. those things would be lighter footed than a horse and horses were the main thing to go in battle on for most of our history. they are still sued today in guerilla warfare.

>>33430420
all you need is vacuum and electrostatic suspension.

>>33430236
that's even more fucking scary than nukes congrats!

>>33423939
Harnessing the energy of memes alongside the blessings of Kek

>>33431739
> there are no sanctions, no control regimes, and no UN treaties stopping countries like Iran from acquiring it.
Except building a fuckhuge particle accelerator and trap.
>with a few grams of antimatter.
Holy shit, people are working with several separate particles of antimatter for 15 minutes and it is considered a miracle.

As it has already been mentioned to one degree or another ITT, the point where conventional ICBMs are hard-countered at a >99% efficiency rate is when geopolitics and how war is conducted will get super spooky. Any sign that our great equalizers are rendered obsolete will spark a new arms/tech race like something straight out of the Neuromancer. Information warfare in all forms will be the next major plateau, hell it's shaping up to be that way today. And that's to say nothing of hard power systems like lazers, railguns and autonomous systems.

>>33430012

>on bored

>>33430992

If you'd played MGS1 you'd know that this was a joke aimed at long time fans who'd played that as well as 3.

>>33430747
>Actually, both country's handily defeated them militarily.
"We defeated you militarily! Now we're going to fuck off back to our own country having not achieved our strategic objectives at all, because that's what you do when you win!"

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>>33430175
That thing never took off for a reason

>>33432625
name one sanction that stops you from buying the parts needed for electromagnets.

>>33430420
what is that rodent thing?

>>33430891
You know how a phased array system can focus energy electronically? How about a phased array teleporter as a weapon itself. It remotely shifts 1cm^3 volumes into an adjacent volume cell, every other 1cm^3.

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>>33433800
>KV2 gun with T-26 side turrets
autism

>>33433358
It is not about sanctions, m8, it is about having a brain. Those guys dont have any.

>>33423939
smaller nukes with improved CEP and improved penetration aids

>>33433826
memes

>>33433800
Man that event was cool as shit I loved it. Only wish that the German mechs were actually unique instead of just grey with balkenkreuz instead of stars.

>>33423939
glock 20 already did

>>33423966
What if... Let's make tanks with legs with the feet being tank threads /k/? Best of both worlds and all that!

>>33425970
no
just no

>>33433891
the point is that the tech is uncontrollable because there is no lynchpin element. I used the Persians simply as an illustrative example of a group trying to build nukes around a sanctions regime.

>>33434189
cia poster, pls go.

>>33434244
>the point is that the tech is uncontrollable because there is no lynchpin element.
There is much more lynchpin elements in antimatter technology than in nuclear technology. This is the primary reasons there are, like, 5 accelerator laboratories on this planet that can produce and handle antimatter. Last time i checked the record was 16 minutes for a couple of antihydrogen atoms.

>>33434310
copper, iron, and water aren't controlled by sanctions, anon. nor could they ever be.

>>33434332
Steel, concrete and uranium ore arent controlled either.

love


because it conquers all

>>33434332
yeah but good luck building a 100 billion dollar facility as a third or second world country
and good luck creating enough antimatter to actually do anything with other than science experiments since the top scientists on the planet can't make more than a few atoms at a time
point is, you're retarded and the technology to mass-produce antimatter in significant quantities just isn't here and it won't be for a very long time. it doesn't matter if there are no sanctions or scary international resolutions on producing antimatter when it costs more than the gdp of the earth to make enough of it

>>33426009
Aids is the latter stsge of HIV which can only be slowrd by medicine 100% lethal, im a drunk finn and k fucking know rhis, only hiv van be stopped within 10weeks od infection, aisd is a one way trip only elongated sufferinf

>>33430478
>Dropping rocks from the moon

Well..........she's not wrong. It could become a reality not sooner. But rather later.

>>33434402
faggot

>>33434449
>she

>>33434449
>she

>>33431739
>a few grams
NASA estimated back in '99 that antimatter would cost $62.5 trillion a gram
that's assuming you can even make it

seeing as Iran can't even purify a significant quantity of weapons grade enriched uranium themselves, I doubt they could build the supercollider necessary to make it

nobody can make an antimatter weapon

>>33433358
the ones that cripple your economy such that there is no where near enough funding to purchase parts for a collider and the fact that no scientist would want to work in Iran on any collider for any project much less an antimatter bomb

>>33430135
underrated post

>>33423939
I have a buddy that works in crypogenomics, composite viruses show promise. You only die if you get coinfected and its much harder to trace.

Think of hepatitis D needing C to enter a cell.

Its in its infancy but it has the potential to remove some of the runaway risks with bioweapons as if done right its basically the equivilant of a binary nerve agent

>>33430698
WTF is an anti stealth radar?

>>33433440
Worlds most technologically advanced hamburger right there. But, theres a even cheaper way to randomize a body of matter, its called heat.

Plasma or whatever non-nuclear source will do for pretty much any soft target

>>33435154
Also you can basically plug in the A protein that makes ricin so deadly into wheat and barley pollen (nature is full of lethal shit that just can't enter your cells) and watch the enemy freak out at random hepatic failure without obviously collapsing their agriculture.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ricin

>>33435329
Quantum radar, multifrequency, multiple cheap emitters, really good IR cameras. Theres a lot of ways to theoretically beat current steath, they just don't have the development maturity yet

>>33432065
There actually are. Hague and Geneva protocols state that an army has an obligation to

A: make an effort to minimize civie casualties

B: avoid targeting certain buildings

C: avoid damaging civilian agricultural infrastructure

D: i believe Hague explicitly states that the methods of war are not unlimited

e: states have an obligation to not bombard defenseless towns


at some point, it's still a violation of many parts of international law, simply because you cant avoid collateral damage with a megaton-yield antimatter weapon. Radiation is A concern with nukes, but thats not why they are so restricted.

>>33433358
If you are buying it for weapons, thats getting into Waasenaar Agreement precedent territory

>>33435329
It's just a meme for people how doesn't understand radar, stealth, or anything beyond middle school physics.

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>>33430478

>whoever controls the moon can also interfere with satellites used in earth's communication
>GPS, targeting systems are vunerable

but they are vunerable now even without spess moonmen

it's just no war has been metal enough to warrant shooting down sats and noone wants to be the first to open the huge can of worms

>>33434449
>she

Is anti-matter bomb stronger than nuke?

>>33436923
Potentially cleaner fallout wise but total yeild is more determined by specifications and engineering. Antimatter is more likely to be used to kickstart a fusion reaction than be used in its pure form unless radically cheaper ways of making it turn up

Peace.

>>33436923
Depends how much antimatter you can produce and contain. To date, there is no way to contain antimatter, and the quantity of antimatter ever produced doesn't even rival a conventional bomb in energy content, let alone a nuclear one.

>>33434449
>she

>>33433012
my nig