Are milsurp bolt action rifles inferior to even the cheapest

None whatsoever. For the purpose of hunting and or target shooting you are better off with a modern gun.

>>33423241
More like mil-derp, because you'd have to be retarded to buy that trash.

>>33423241
Yes, and nothing.

There is literally no reason to get objectively inferior surplus in this day and age with the wide availability of modern, quality guns and gear.

Anyone who is still obsessively hoarding surplus should be considered a mentally defective fedora. It's 2017, get in the right century spergs.

>>33423241
Take a remington action built yesterday and take a mauser action built 50 years ago. The mauser action will have a straight bolt face and action face, and the hole will be very close to centerline. The remington action will need to be machined on all faces and more than likely will not be even close to the blueprints.

Tell me why they can build an action that represents the blueprints accurately over 50 years ago but cant build one yesterday?

>>33423241
Yes, but don't buy the cheapest bolt actions.

>>33423241
Don't buy milsurp if you aren't a collector. It's that simple.

>>33423372
Then what's up with those guys that buy Mosins and then put all that extra stuff on them?

>>33423353
>Tell me why they can build an action that represents the blueprints accurately over 50 years ago but cant build one yesterday?
Because the mausers were built on Nazi tooling, and the 700's are built on (((Freedom Group))) tooling.

>>33423372
This.
The less bubbas making DURRR GUNZ from collectors pieces the better.

>>33423380
At a minimum they're dumb and wasting their money. At worst they're wasting money, ruining the market for collectors, and destroying irreplaceable history.

>>33423380
They're fucking poor.

Of the milsurp rifles, Mosins are the lowest quality, worst-designed, and the least collectible.

>>33423386
That settles it! /pol/ was right Nazis din do nuffin and it is all a Jew conspiracy!

I'm not a surplus guy at all so I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure the good surplus rifles (ie not nuggets) in good condition would be better than the cheapass modern ones.

>>33423401
Poor? With all the mods they do, they end up spending more money than on new budget rifle.

>>33423241
Based solely on advancements in metallurgy and machining, yes.
But a rifle you have is better than a rifle you dont have so if you have a mauser or something theres nothing that says it cant still kill stuff dead, or that you have to buy a new rifle.

>>33423414
Poor people tend to either be retarded or really bad at budgeting. Sometimes a combination of the two.

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>>33423401
Hmmmm....

>>33423342
>ITS CURRENT YEAR
No one cares. Bullets dont get less deadly because the gun that fired it is a century old.
>see : martini henry in afghanistan

I'm a huge nerd and like milsurp but I can't shoot for shit with irons. I don't want to ruin a piece of history with a scope.

What's a really nice modern bolt gun that still has that old infantry gun look?

>>33423437
People (hopefully) aren't modding those.

I'm talking about generic 91/30s.

>>33423411
Possible but unlikely. They weren't made to be as accurate as a modern rifle, nor as light. They are not as good from a performance perspective and were never meant to be.

>>33423353
Bc it's a Remington. If you want flawless guns for little money today go with HOWA.

>>33423453
Those are plenty collectible too. Double dates, Spanish Civil War models, Finn captures, 41 Tulas, Etc. Mosins are some of the most collectible rifles ever made.

>>33423241
Milsurp feels better in your hands. It's like having a set of old tools vs new, mass produced tools.

>>33423414
Don't forget how cheap Mosins used to be. Bubba might have paid $69 for the thing.

That aside, though, it's like people who modify grocery getters. It's easier to gradually sink a few hundred bucks here and a thousand bucks there into something over a few years than it is to buy a more expensive thing off the bat. I think a lot of people probably believe that a nugget with $500 in mods is better than a $500 modern boltgun, too.

>>33423353
Mausers were expensive guns, profit margins were lower, and they made so many that having custom tooling built made more sense than it does for even a popular modern boltgun like a 700. It probably doesn't hurt that Mausers all had to go through third-party inspections.

>Milsurp
>muh history

Unless you know the provenance of your surplus rifle--in what campaigns was it used, who used it, etc--it has no history. It is an anonymous rifle of uncertain origin. You have no way of knowing whether it killed a dozen nazis/communists in the hands of its different owners before you, or (as is more likely) it sat in a rack and then a wooden crate for decades.

This is also putting aside the glaring problem that many military surplus guns were refurbished or, in the case of so many Mosins, torn down completely and then force-matched. The latter are particularly worthless when it comes to "history," seeing as how they are the gun equivalent of a chimera.

>>33423241

yes. modern bolt action rifles have better materials (so long as you're not buying a pos), more efficient design, better accuracy, ergos, easier to mount modern optics, better barrels, smoother actions, MUCH better triggers, etc. etc.

surplus bolt guns cannot compare to a good savage rifle or something similar

>>33423559
>MUCH better triggers
I don't know, man. My K31's trigger was fucking incredible.

>>33423555

You're a homo.

>>33423555
You're an idiot. There is more to history than what a particular rifle did or did not do.

>>33423449
CZ550?

>>33423404
He's saying Remington's QC is shit, you mong.

>>33423659

I can hold a Remington 700 and think "So this is what a guy would carry in Flanders" as well as any old busted piece of shit.

>>33423241
Remington 770 is absolutely the shittiest weapon I have ever had the misfortune of handling. It might be more accurate, but god dammit, at least milsurp doesn't take five fuckin seconds to work the bolt.

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>>33423241
>>33423294
>>33423334
>>33423342

All the same dude

>>33423873
Except they didn't carry it at Flanders, so you're still an idiot. But more than that, the rifles used by militaries tell the stories of those nations. Without which that history obscures and is forgotten and disappears forever.

>>33423404
lefty /pol/ git n stay git

>>33423859
>Replying to obvious bait...

Now you fucked, now you fucked up. Nigga you fucked up.

>>33423960
>talks about Jews being evil
>glorifies Nazis
>lefty

God Reddit must have invaded.

>>33423931
>the rifles tell stories
not really. calm it with the fuddery. a Mosin won't tell you about the great clusterfuck of Stalingrad. a Garand won't tell you how it was held by shaky hands as artillery throatfucked sandy krauts.

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>>33423989
I said git.

>>33423241
>Is there anything that stands out between a milsurp bolt action and a budget bolt action besides the history?
Milsurp has iron sights. Good luck finding them on a modern rifle.

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>>33424023
Except it does tell all sorts of shit. You're just too dumb or unwilling to see it. Like why the Finns had Type 30 and 38 rifles. Or why Winchester 1895s turned up in Spain. Or why the 8mm Lebel has such a sharp taper.

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>>33424099

>>33424103
But the rifle itself cannot tell you those things. The most a rifle might do is make you start asking questions / get online and start reading.

>>33424234
It is a physical link to all those things. It is tangible and knowable. Where do you think people get the information to write those books in the first place?

>>33424038
>supporting a man who doesn't read intel briefings
Good job conserveacuck.

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>>33424354
Nothing cucky about wanting to keep the taco people out.

>>33423241
>>33423241
>>33423241
depends on the milsurp obviously, and the budget bolt action brand

>>33423353
>>33423353
because diversity requirements stipulate that certain workers need to be hired regardless of how good they are

>>33423492
This. They were stamped with all kinds of markings throughout their service life so you have a good idea of what the rifle went through