>Slavaboos will defend this

>>33417155
What? It's a good gun for cheap, or used to be cheap. I don't get what you're trying to say?

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>>33417155
Reminder that Russians cannot create any technologies without committing theft

>>33417155
Well, name one other single stack compact pistol that has better reliability in a similar caliber.

Pro tip,
>you can't

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>>33417181
lmao fuckin slavaboos i swear

>>33417197
9mm mak > .32acp

It's not outstanding, but it's also nothing really bad either, what's there to complain about?

I suppose a heel release isn't the most high speed low drag, but other than that, I see nothing wrang about it.

They're small, but weighty enough for their size that the mild (but not TOO mild) 9x18mm cartridge is easy to handle and to make followup shots with, and they used to be pretty cheap, so for a time, they were a reasonably option for conceal carry.

I suppose the selection of defensive ammo might not have been amazing (I can imagine hollowpoints not being too cool in this caliber), but they also exist in .380ACP, which has had some really nice defensive loads developed for it in recent years.

>>33417155
What's there to defend other than that awful mag release?

It's reliable, accurate, simple, and typically fairly cheap.
The mags are good the size is good.
What's not to like?
>>33417165
>the Tokerev trigger system was stolen
>>33417197
>.32 ACP or .380.
9x18 is loaded hotter
>inb4 9mm browning super
A caliber that it nigh impossible to obtain.
Fuck your 9mm browning super and the horse it rode in on.

>>33417165
>makarov
>complains about theft
>posts the P38
The Makarov copies the PP you spaz.
I don't think the Ruskies have ever made a pistol with a tilting block style of short-recoil like the P38 or like the Beretta line.

>>33417218
They're available in .380 too, which is basically comparable.
Of course, the PPK doesn't really have the nicest handling, or trigger (but then, the Makarov doesn't have a deluxe target trigger to begin with)

>>33417218
>what is .380 ACP
>what is 9mm Ultra
9mm Makarov is even a stolen design of a cartridge.

>>33417224
Heel releases are superior, the problem exists in the fact that it is a slavshit makarov

>>33417244
>the mags are good

they're fucking see through mags man, you can see the springs and shit

>>33417244
9mm Browning Super? Like that Super Police thing? I forgot that fucking thing existed, along with the rest of the world, why are you bringing that up?

>>33417249
Heel releases are inferior, a thumb release lets you drop a mag and have a free hand.

Also if you have big hands, you might bump some heel releases with your palms.

>>33417244
TT33 is a stolen Browning 1903. 9x18 Ultra is hotter than 9x18 Makarov.

>>33417247
Because I don't own a PPK yet to personally shitpost, slavshit still objectively worse.

>>33417224
I feel like, given enough love (and guns besides combloc surplus chambered for it) 9x18 Mak would become the go to for CC pistols.
Buffalo bore has some nice defensive ammo for it as does Hornady and there are conversion barrels for some Glocks.

I just wish it'd be a factory thing.
Either way 9x18 is dirt fucking cheap (way cheaper than .380 or 9mm Luger) where I live So I'd be able to practice more and at least a few others would too.

>>33417260
I'll gladly carry a .380 Mak over a .380 PPK, less snappy feeling and less atrocious trigger.

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>>33417259
You can still maintain control and reload within 2 seconds with a superior German heel release

https://imgflip.com/gif/1m1fxz

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>>33417249
>9mm Makarov is even a stolen design of a cartridge.

Try again

>>33417265
Buffalo Bore Mak penetrates less than cheaper Barnaul

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pz4mXuEQLMI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScHzHz3dItI

>>33417260
Frame.
Browning 1903 FRAME.
It was because that was the gun they used as the base model.
However being a striker fired gun, it obviously was NOT the trigger system that was Brownings invention.

And as I clearly stated earlier.
>the TRIGGER SYSTEM.
Not the entire gun.

>>33417276
Heel release is so superior that it disappeared off the market and almost everyone stopped doing it entirely, even the Germans themselves stopped! Truly amazing!

>>33417288
Huh.
I always thought buffalo bore was some of the best stuff we could get.
Well I guess I'll be getting some brown bear soon then.
>>33417276
Maybe so.
And I said the heel release on be Makarov was it's biggest flaw earlier.

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>>33417284
No need, it was correct the first time I posted. Makarov wouldn't exist without Ultra.

>>33417294
The 1903 is hammer fired.

>>33417300
>>33417317
Heel releases are objectively stronger, regardless of the highspeedlowdrag operator movement. The Makarov has a long list of flaws before you reach a subjective statement like that.

they're good guns.

more accurate and precise than you would think.

they've just got too expensive compared to modern poly frame guns in 9mm and .380

>>33417372
>Heel releases are objectively stronger
Irrelevant, thumb releases don't really fail on any gun that's not shit.

>image
Man you have a lot of ego invested in your gun, huh?
>not having both

>>33417372
>Heel releases are objectively stronger

proofs?

>>33417404
You can find Maks for $300 on Classic though...

>>33417372
>based off the Colt 1903 pocket hammerless
Okay, fine.

But the trigger system being a nice encapsulated part is still original.
So fuck you.

And what, exactly, are these flaws the Makarov has ASIDE from the heel release?
And >>33417411 is right, heel releases are fucking pointless when regular thumb ones have a failure rate of fucking none outside of Taurus.

>>33417404
>good guns
pffffffft

>>33417411
>>33417423
not my image

Buttons can fail if dirt gets in it, but for every image you can find of a broken heel release I can find twenty with a broken thumb or frame cracking around it. Its a simpler design.

>>33417446
>i was wrong but fuck you
stay rustled

rough tooling, bad manufacturing methods, anemic cartridge for supposed "combat handgun", large for caliber, overly heavy terrible sights, backwards safety, dick grips, stolen design, overall worst aesthetic

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>ITT: butthurt Waltherfags
the Mak is objectively superior to the PP/P38, prove me wrong.
>lower complexity
>lower price
>god-tier aesthetics
>slavic

your shitty Kraut pistols were rendered woefully obsolete decades ago, even the M1911fags laugh at your willful ignorance.

>>33417502
>rough tooling
Okay.
And?
>bad manufacturing methods
See above. If they work they're fine.
>anemic cartridge for a combat handgun
The theory was that it was going to be standardized for everybody and while the front line troops very rarely use handguns people like police will do better with a medium sized handgun in a fairly anemic caliber to promote ease of training and carry and use.

So, it's pretty much a made for use CC handgun.
>large for caliber
That's part of the reason I like it.
Personal preference you whiny prick.
>overly heavy
I...what? Compared to what? A Glock?
I mean, it's not exactly featherweight but come on dude, it's not really heavy.
And part of the recoil being so mild is the weight. So while it's a bit of a pain for pocket carry, it's a bit of a help in the long run.
>backwards safety
Okay. Didn't think about the decocker.
>dick grips
Depends on the grip.
You can always buy ones that aren't dickgrips.
>stolen design
Simplified improved for the purpose it was intended for design.
Not the same thing.
Does it also piss you off that it was made on stolen walther tooling? Kek.
>worst aesthetic
Personal preference (though you're right about those damn Bulgarian target grips)

>>33417372
Not really, mak does not share and similarities with ultra except for rim thickness

>>33417607
>haha your pistols are obsolete!
>b-but my copy of yours isn't... ;-;
ok

>>33417611
you're really really reaching for most of those. something i do have to hand it to slavfags, they really do double down on all their retardation, it's admirable really.

>>33417677
I'm a CZ-82 fan, I just find your retardation grating.
And i too know what it's like to eat crow as a tripfag.
Just stop bro.
It has to end sooner or later.

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>>33417677
>haha your pistols are obsolete!
>b-but my copy of yours isn't... ;-;
the Mak isn't a copy silly, have you even compared the mechanical schematics between the Mak and PP? At most, it borrowed some of the PP's design traits and put them to good use in an objectively superior design.

:^)

I do have to hand it to krautfags, they really do double down on all their retardation, it's admirable really.

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>>33417252
>you can see the springs and shit
I fail to see your point

Leon Vulva is baiting us I think.

>$299 for an all steel pistol in perfect condition with accessories, original holster, and two sets of grips

that's just looking at the bare bones of it, not even considering if you like the history or design

why WOULDN'T you buy one?

>>33417720
You're right, it has to end. Lucky for you there's an endless sea of retard poorfags who fall for /k/ memes and will continue to buy shit. Meanwhile people who are willing to spend actual money on a better firearm, well we're a dying breed.

>>33417735
You know that the Makarov was a shitty copy with more moving parts, correct? But feel free to try and use my insults, it will save you the trouble of having to use your mind

>>33417772
if only you were capable of such thought when you made the mistake of buying a makarov

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>>33417276
>reload within 2 seconds
>posts gif of herself taking 5 seconds to reload

>>33417870
>what is slow motion

>>33417469
>but for every image you can find of a broken heel release I can find twenty with a broken thumb or frame cracking around it.
Probably because there's a significantly higher amount of thumb release pistols in existence.

>>33417836
>better pistol
Okay, I'll bite.
Define better pistol.
I've got everything from Lugers to modern DA/SAs and I prefer a CZ-82 as my carry piece.
Why should I give a flying fuck about a gun that the Makarov was based on besides it being THE bond gun?

What makes the PPK superior to a Makarov besides being "the original"?

>>33417894
and maybe your button isn't as great as you think

>>33417912
Better tooling, manufacturing, steel, blueing, safety, simplicity, calibers, general quality, size, and especially aesthetic to name a few.

>>33417964
Clearly the world disagrees, because basically everyone has moved towards thumb releases.

>>33417502
the backwards safety makes it easier to flip off when drawing though

>>33417964
>better tooling
Maks were made to be built on walther tooling taken as war repairations.
So no. Same tooling.
>manufacturing
Define manufacturing. As far as I can tell all this means is visible tooling marks.
Something that is equally visible on a PPK.
>steel
I...can't speak for the steel. Haven't seen any difference though, and I have a buddy who deliberately tries to abuse his Mak.
No problems so far.
>bluing
Haven't seen any noticeable difference between PPK and Makarov finishes.
>simplicity
The Makarov specifically combined a few parts to simplify manufacturing and reliability.
Bullshit.
>safety
So...same fucking slide mounted safety?
They both suck. NEXT.
>calibers
9x18 is loaded hotter than .380 and .32 ACP.
Anything else is unobtanium and thus invalid.
>general quality
So...tool marks again? The quality is no worse than a PPK.
And if you mean reliability, I've yet to see any problems with any Makarovs I've seen both IRL and online. While I'm sure they exist, I have yet to see any.
>size
I prefer larger CC pistols.
The Makarov is nice and thin and it fits my hands nicely without being too big.
If you prefer smaller pistols don't let me stop you.

But that's highly subjective. Fuck you.
>aesthetic
SUB. FUCKING. JECTIVE.

Now pardon me while I quietly await your idiocy, sipping my lemonade and fondling my Webley MK VI I treasure so much.

>>33417829
because it's not in 9x19 faggot

>>33417990
>newer technology is always 100% superior

>>33418022
wrong

>>33418050
look, i know you're just memeing but the neckbeard last line didn't really have anything to do with it

>>33418126
Actually I post because I simply enjoy the arguing and the last line wasn't sarcastic.

The shit flinging is a bit...I dunno, extra or something.
Coming here and arguing with people has been my venting outlet ever since I was no longer able to attend debate (graduated out of the school system).

I sincerely thank you for being a willing participant in this, while not entirely productive, ultimately entertaining thread.

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>>33418162
m'lady

you really aren't helping the slavfag cause here
pic related its u

>>33418203
Kek.
As long as I can still talk here.
This shit gets me through my day.

>he doesn't wanna hold a thick pair of phallic grips in his hand while shooting
s m h t b h lad

>>33418126
>newer technology is always 100% superior
It probably is if everyone stopped using one of the old ones.

Also is button releases even that much older than heel releases? I think the Luger had a button release (or there was a version with it), and that shit dates back to like 1904, hardly new tech.

Should we also go back to top-break revolvers and lever-action shotguns?
(Australia fuck off this doesn't concern you)

>>33418378
>being gay

>>33418441
>having a problem with being gay
your next post will have 'muh day of the rope' or other ebin /pol/ memes in it

>>33418441
>not having a gay old time with a Pistolet Makarova

>>33417155
Anyone with two brain-cells to rub together would.

My friend carries two Maks in a shoulder holster. He calls it Max Payne Carry.

MAKS Payne Carry.

I'm super fucking jealous.

>>33418459
>being gay is normal
98% of the world is straight, lets normalize that instead you blasphemous monster.

>>33418488
Being that Germans have more than two, we don't have to worry when they burn out from rubbing together.

>>33418529
>shoulder carry
bet he wears a trench coat too

>>33418567
>>33418529
Hi there!
I don't rightly know if ya'll know this, but 4chan is an anonymous imageboard. On an anonymous imageboard, especially here, most people dislike it when you use avatars or names to try and distinguish yourself for no reason! Occasionally people with valid reasons, such as the kinds of people organizing /k/ meetups, or having valuable, factual information to impart are accepted into having tripcodes and names!
So please, kindly take off your tripcodes and do as the rest of us do, and post anonymously!
Thank you!

>>33418567
>98% of the world uses button releases, let's normalize that instead you blasphemous monster

Are the dick grips the reason Maks feel so good in my hands??

>>33418567
>muh morals
>muh feefees
>muh religums
Not an argument for throwing people from towers, Ahmed.

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>>33417294
>>33417446

You fuckers are retarded, it's based on the FN 1903, which is an enlarged 1903 Pocket Hammerless, which isn't actually hammerless.

>>33418813
This, with more than a little 1911 influence, all wrapped up in a simplified and superior package in a fun little cartridge.

>>33419025
>simplified and superior package
Simplified? Yes.
Superior? No, the TT33 isn't safe to carry with a round chambered, it has no safety and will discharge if dropped.

>>33419025

Superior in a lot of ways, I still find the FN 1903's ergonomics and pointability to be much much better

7.62x25 is a bitchin little cartridge, I wish someone would make a modern carbine in it.

The TT's hammer/feedlip assembly is a brilliant little piece of engineering for the period.

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>somewhat thin
>slide safety is also decocker
>da/sa
>~$300
> cheap steel case online
>blowback is pretty neat I guess

nice meme op

>>33419230
>>slide safety is also decocker
That's pretty typical though.

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>>33417888
But it's not slow motion, so you're wrong, ma'am.

>>33419309
suppose so, I just always liked it

>>33417155
There's honestly nothing wrong with it other than a lack of double stacked mags. (double stack versions do exist, but they're rare.)

Probably one of the most reliable handguns there are.

>>33417244
Mag release is really fine if you're used to doing mag changes with a european style release. It's really not much slower than you're regular thumb once you're used to it. I say maybe thumb releases have half a second or less on euro style releases.

>>33417404
>expensive

I bought mine for 350. If you walk into a gunshop and look for anything of a similar quality/build for that price they'll look at you like you're a retarded scammer.

>>33417155

Ain`t gonna defend that, but your mom is a whore anyway

>>33418680
>mocks morality

Thanks for showing us what kind of an abomination you truly are.

>>33418567

>98% of the world is straight, lets normalize that instead you blasphemous monster.

So thats why you don`t step out of the closet? Your homosexuality is showing anyway

>>33417197

The man said reliable.

>>33417888

LOL, you`re in slow motion mode all the time

>>33419388
>Probably one of the most reliable handguns there are.

Yeah, right

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>>33417155
>buying makarovs

>>33419422
Morality is 100% objective.

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>>33417155
No one defend this
That's why

>>33419507
isn't that pistol supposed to be garbage

>>33417259
>bumping a heel release with your hand

you wanna know how I know you've never held a gun with a heel release

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>>33417181
Hmmm

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>>33417155

It's a nice little gun, I conceal carry one

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>>33419656

I really need to buy a CZ-82 already

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>>33417155
I prefer the glockarov myself

>14oz
>12+1 rounds of 9x19mm Luger
>smaller than Glock 26 but comfy like a Mak

>Slavaboo
>not Russiaboo
This triggers me

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>>33417276
>German heel release

Browning wasn't German.

Push button: Hugo Borchardt and Georg Luger
Heel release: J.M. Browning

>>33417607

>right mouse click
>save image as

>>33419802
What's that grip?

>>33417155
It looks nice

>>33420310
A fab defense product
http://www.fab-defense.com/en/category-pistol-grips/id-302/makarov-pm-ppm-magazine-release-grip.html

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>>33417155
>heh, nice try kiddo. This isn't even my final form!

>>33419656
That's a double stack.

>>33417155
makarovs are great, reliable little guns.

it's what i trust for carry