What went right?

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>>33402923
nothing

>>33402923
they figured out that old tech shouldnt be discarded and disregarded because of current year and in some ways is better than new shit

>>33402931

Why are you forcing this shit every thread?

>>33402923
Not a fucking thing.

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>>33402923
What went right?

>>33402965

Explain.

>>33403185
Definitely not that grip

>>33403307
I agree, but that wasn't my point.

>>33402943

CUTE!

>>33402923
I guess some really fucking poor country can pretend it has an air-force with this so thats nice maybe.

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Too much shit for a turboprop desu.

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T-27 is cuter.

I don't like A-29's canopy desu.

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>>33402923
everything

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>all those turboprops coming back
>many AirForces are gonna get them as a cheap option for CAS, Recon and bombings
>post yfw WW3 will have WWII dogfights but now with missiles and miniguns under wings

>>33404009
Ww3?

These turbo props only make sense as a cheap form of cas in COIN operations

>>33402957

Are you implying that low, slow propeller craft arent at severe risk to MANPADS?

>>33404076

If they're flying low and fast, no.

>>33402923
Flying Hour Cost.
Good to kill insurgents.
Can land and take off in shit runway
Easy to fly

>>33404047

>implying other nations won't put their turbopros to CAS as well
>implying both planes won't meet and have a genuine WWII dogfight.

Stop being such a no fun allowed faggot, please.

>>33404047
Pmuch this. In a conventional fight turboprops are dead in the water.

>>33402923
>What went right?
For Embraer? Mainly Congress giving Pilatus the shaft by forcing them to let Beechcraft manufacture AT-6s in the US, and then whining and turning to the Heuhues when US production turned out to be too expensive.

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>>33404076
Oh hi, have we met?

>>33404086

>Fast
>Propeller

Pick one.

>>33404146

Isn't 700kph fast?

>>33404187
Look up how fast a missile goes.

>>33404187
Well, a) it can't fly at 700kmh and b) no, it isn't fast.

>>33404198

How fast a human can go to point and lock a MANPAD into a very fast plane in low altitude?

Just check colombia and their fights with FARC, the only time one of their Tucanos got taken down it was because they were flying slow and high.

>>33404009
>>waiting for the day that these prop planes host A2A missiles with long ranges supported by AWACS.

>>33404209

My bad, 600.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embraer_EMB_314_Super_Tucano

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>>33404009

>>33404187

700kph aircraft

3000kph missile

I wonder who will catch up first

Not to mention that the aircraft has a lot less energy to jink/evade an incoming missile.

>>33404215

>How fast a human can go to point and lock a MANPAD into a very fast plane in low altitude?

Pretty fuckin quick.

We're talking about fighting acutal militaries, not FARCs and goatfuckers that have zero training. For that the Tucano is great, outside of that, not so much.

>>33404086
Are you kidding now? Please tell me you are kidding

>>33404253
>3000kph missile

anon's right, OKAY GUYS PACK UP THE PLANES, FLIGHT'S OVER THERE'S MISSILES NOW.

>>33404283
>the aircraft has a lot less energy to jink/evade an incoming missile.

Way to ignore the rest of the post dipshit

>>33404047
They could probably be shot down with massed 7.62 NATO, a la Russian AA battery in WW2 (20-30 guys shooting BF-109's with mosins)

>>33404253

>3000kph

Are Brahmos being launched by MANPADS now?

>>33404332
meant for>>33404009

>>33403774
wouldn't this be good shit for CAS against enemies that don't have ways to bring down airplanes?

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>>33404332

Aren't those planes coming with armor like pic related?

>>33404342

Well everybody can bring down planes nowadays so i don't quite get your point.

>>33404322
plane. is. over. missile. now.
stupid rube, evert soldier carries at least one surface to air laincher at all times in all situations forever.

flight is over.

>2100kph plane faster than 3000kph missile.
look at this rube!!

> 2100>3000
WHAT A MORON! PLANE OVER! PACK UP PLANE! ONLY BOOTS NOW!

100kph tank? MISSILE! 130kph jeep? MISSILE! IFV? MISSILE!

VEHICLE OVER MISSILE NOW!!

>>33404276
>We're talking about fighting acutal militaries
Literally nobody but you is talking about formal militaries ITT.

>>33404424
toplel

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>>33404424

>>33403980
you posted a pic of a Pilatus PC-21 not a super tucano

why do they look so similar anyway?

>>33404368
put the teeth on it and it's a shark

>>33404680
>why do they look so similar anyway?
I think embraer bought it and change a few things

>>33404748
according to wikipedia, the Tucano is actually 3 years older than the PC-21

>>33402923
I don't know shit about regulations, but why didn't eric prince select the super taco for his air africa sheningans?

>>33404775
Which is based on the pc-9 (mid 80s)
Total possible they ripped of and modernised the pc-9 project and came to a similar result as Pilatus did

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>>33404680
>why do they look so similar anyway?
There may have been a degree of "inspiration" between the two, but it's plausible that they're just convergent evolution too. Turboprops generally have lightweight engines and long noses. Primary trainers tend to be two-place tandem aircraft with straight wings and bubble canopies. MODERN primary trainers have tricycle gear because the only taildraggers left in military service are helicopters. It all kinda adds up to the same general format.

>>33404815
And the PC-9 is based off the PC-7, which goes back to the '60s.