China is now the second country with an operational stealth aircraft

File: 1456159890130.gif (985KB, 500x252px) Image search: [Google]

985KB, 500x252px

>>33398820
Took long enough.

>>33398820
wrong, Israel had operational F-35's before the J-20 was accepted to the PLAF

>>33398820
>Hong Kong will be sweating now
LaughingUSSNimitz.jpg

>>33398842
You mean China has operational F-35s because the kikes no doubt sold the plans

>>33398865
>2017
>needing Israel for technology transfer
Just direct deposit into Hillary, Obongo, Lockheed exec, or any other Senator's "foundation" nigga.

>>33398820
Sorry sweetie but Su 50 was operable long ago

File: 1463454683350.jpg (57KB, 370x469px) Image search: [Google]

57KB, 370x469px

>>33398820
>4th gen engines and avionics
>"operational"

>>33398820
>stealth
>canards

they fell for a meme bravo cia

>>33398820

Article 1 of the Basic Law states that:
"Hong Kong is an inalienable part of China"

It will be like re-occupying the Rhineland, chinese jets flying in chinese airspace

OP please calm your tits

Impressive

Truly China has what it takes to be the lone superpower. Chinese Research and Development are one of a kind, able to indigenously make technology that even America would drool for. And the people are motivated enough to help the government and not like some parts of the world where they like racist presidents and gays.

>>33398971
They wouldn't fly so good!

File: 2010_JAST_PR160502_2_1267828237_3513.jpg (112KB, 970x767px) Image search: [Google]

112KB, 970x767px

>>33398971
Can you guys stop these memes pls?

>>33399210
Why don't you post an actual production F-35 my yellow friend.

>>33398842
Israel is hardly its own country.
>It isn't flying its own stealth fighter design.

Number of 5th gen aircraft built:

China & Russia:
J-20 = ~12
PAK-FA = ~8

'Murica
F-22 = 187
F-35 = >200

>>33398958
still stealth pussy white boy

>>33398820
>Hong Kong will be sweating now
Hong Kong is always sweating, it's hot and humid as fuck there.

But wouldn't the increased strength of the military force in charge of their defense be LESS reason to sweat?

>>33398971
Canards don't have to move if you have elevons (or thrust vectoring).
>>33399210
Sexy. Why couldn't they have gone with that?

>>33398820
I doubt it's stealth is actually all that effective, it is chinkshit after all.

>>33398820
I don't get why Hong Kong will sweat. I know there is still some resistance to the government there, but that kind of dissent isn't put down with jet fighters.

>>33399529
???

>>33399599
China owns Hong Kong now. For like 20 years. Are you thinking of Taiwan?

>>33398820
>falling for the stealth meme

All high tech stealth technology has ever had to face are people in caves shooting AKs. I guarantee you that in a full scale conflict with a superpower like Russia or China those """"stealth"""" planes will fall like flies when they come face to face with sophisticated radar arrays and modern SAM installations.

>>33398820
it looks like it has cute little arms lol

>>33399599
Let me put it this way: it's like saying that Puerto Rico or Guam will be sweating now that the USMC has operational F-35s. It doesn't make sense.

File: F-22 MLD.jpg (124KB, 784x1106px) Image search: [Google]

124KB, 784x1106px

>>33398958
>avionics

How is it any worse than the F-22A avionics? Unless your including the RWR/ECM suite, then yeah the F-22A bests it.
Radar, FCS, and flight controls are just as good.


>Engines

Yes, that is until the new WS-13(?) engines come out to replace the uprated WS-10(?) engines it's using now. Then it'll have thrust vectoring as well, completing the match up with the F-22A/-35 series (except for the RWR/ECM suite, still haven't seen any evidence of that stuff yet).

>>33399463
J-20A will get produced slowly as they iron out more flaws and wait for the new engines to reach maturity.

The CAC is already expanding the J-20 factory so it's easy to guess that they'll be producing a hell of a lot more of the bastards.. Probably J-20B's unless Trump hints at war, then they'll just shit out J-20A airframes and not wait for the maturing process to finish.

>>33399634
Hong Kong still has some degree of autonomy and wants more, people there don't immediately identify as mainlanders.

>>33399864
They don't have autonomy to the point where they could possibly resist the government with military force in any way. The invention of a new fighter won't change anything between them.

>stealth aircraft
>there's fricking photographs of it
yeah nice """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""stealth"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" retards!!

>>33398820
fuck your ancestors to the 18th generation!

File: Tu-204C as J-20 radar testbed - 20170203.jpg (184KB, 2000x1525px) Image search: [Google]

184KB, 2000x1525px

Interesting read:

http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/7364/chinas-own-catfish-flying-avionics-testbed-for-the-j-20-fighter-emerges

The J-20 basically used a similiar avionics testbed as the F-22, which also utilized a cockpit mounted canard-mount that tested the F-22's ALR-94 electronic support measures suite.

Basically, the J-20's avionics are roughly similiar to the F-22, with the addition of IRST and EODAS.

File: GaN X-band radar 100W peak.jpg (138KB, 777x920px) Image search: [Google]

138KB, 777x920px

>>33400179
And the main AESA; a GaN X-band radar with 100W peak power per T/R.

>>33398820
Truly this is a great day for the Chinese People. Only China with the leadership of the Party could come up with such a marvel of engineering and technology. The west is clearly shaking in their boots now and will not dare oppose China's rightful sovereignty over the South CHINA Sea.

File: C5bjY3EVUAE-G2n.jpg (135KB, 900x1200px) Image search: [Google]

135KB, 900x1200px

I like the Russian-styled splinter camo better.

When the USA - China war finally happens, all these Chinese innovations will be shown for what they really are: Cheap shit copies of decent gear that they have no real understanding of.
Yeah there will be some US losses, but China will get rekt really fucking hard, really fucking quick.

File: LCS smoke.jpg (89KB, 850x1160px) Image search: [Google]

89KB, 850x1160px

>>33400231
Let's see if you can even get near China before breaking down with your rotting aluminium ships.

>>33400231
There will never be a US China war.

>>33400266
No, there will be a series of shows of force as China bullies it's neighbors for control of the South China Sea, which the US will respond to with picketing actions intended to limit the rapid growth of Chinese international industry

>>33400179
>The J-20 basically used a similiar avionics testbed as the F-22
50cent posters don't even hold the pretense of innovation anymore

>>33400266
There will be a full scale war most probably with a US offensive since China can't even get close to US land. China would get crushed. Thing is that Russia is gonna hop on the war train and then Europe will as welll and bam you have a world war

>>33398842
Italy also had operational F-35s a couple of hours before Israel, making China #4.

>>33400179
So because it uses the same testbed, they're roughly similar?

Thats a stretch of logic too far

>>33400189
F-22's APG-77 is a 20 kilowatt system....

>>33400724
And It's PESA And NOT GAN. China Is Literally Decades Ahead Of The United States In Radar Technology And Avionics. America Simply Cannot Compete With China At All.

>>33400742
this isn't even 50 cent posting this is more like 25 cent posting
sad!

>>33400742
>it's pesa

...wut.

>and it's GAA

Yeah, it also has a 400km range for a 1m2 target for its latest revision. They could have went with GaN, they didn't.

GaN is a meme.

>>33400784
They Didn't Go With GAN Because They're Incapble Of Making It.

>>33400794
*yawn

http://www.janes.com/article/64251/ausa-2016-all-future-raytheon-an-tpy-2-radars-to-be-built-with-gan

>>33400823
>2016

Can Only Put Them On Ground And Sea Based Platforms. My Point Stands.

>>33400742

Isn't it more the fact that the F-22... entered service over a decade ago?

>>33400784
The best part is the .50 cent cannot quantify what makes GaN so important.

>>33399864
Homg Kong HATES mainlanders. Mainlanders are a bunch of selfish, antisocial assholes.

>>33400950
Why would you want to put a >>33400189
100W per node GaN radar on anything?

>>33399210
I'm confused, is that airforce or marines?

>>33399759
>it looks like it has cute little arms lol
I'm not sure that it's good for your stealth fighter to resemble a t-rex.

>>33399864
>Hong Kong still has some degree of autonomy and wants more, people there don't immediately identify as mainlanders.
It's not a united front, some do and some (maybe most) don't. They oppose the party more than the country.

The government and elite are pro-China, more or less. They don't listen to the public when it comes to China, they just do what they want and follow Beijing's lead. Basically they're just waiting until people get used to not having any say in shit.

>>33398958

To be fair F-22 avionics are also outdated as hell.

>>33400266
>There will never be a US China war.
I used to think that for various reasons but I'm not quite sure anymore. It would be a fucking high stakes war but the advantages to either victorious side could be high.

If China wins, it can immediately retake Taiwan and the SCS and establish a powerbase that would be unchallenged. It would also become the world super-power overnight, USA would also be forced into some defensive wars on several fronts as various places exploit a temporary reduction in forces to kick USA out of anywhere that they're not wanted.

If USA wins, China is contained and USA becomes unchallenged and writes off a fuck load of debt. Possibly, the CCCP collapses and China disintegrates. The pieces of China would be much easier to exploit for exactly the kind of manufacturing bases and cheap labor that they've been selling for years. USA's nearest competitor for global dominance is BTFO.

It's probably in USA's interests to start a war right fucking now. China is catching up faster than USA can innovate ahead and if enough time passes, China could potentially be on an even technological footing with a larger economy one day.

Any delay, lessens the advantage of the incumbent.

>>33402278
Or nothing happens like the Cold War. The stakes were much higher then and nobody felt compelled to go all in.

>>33399308
Israelis are smart enough to make a future leap to UAS and get the useless meatbags out of the cockpits. Israelis actually care about aircrew losses and don't need any pilots held for ransom or set on fire in a cage.

>>33399587
It won't. OP is shitposting niggerliciously.

>>33399864
HK is tiny and impotent. It exists so Beijing can launder money. That is all.

>>33402192
yes

So how embarrassing is this for "Strong" Russia?

I Am A Huge Faggot Please Rape My Face

File: Hory Shet.jpg-c200.jpg (12KB, 200x200px) Image search: [Google]

12KB, 200x200px

>>33400189
>100W peak power per T/R.
Damn nigga
>>33400724
Across ~2000 T/R modules... about 10W per module.

Of course transmitting obscene amounts of power is a good way to set off your target's RWR and let them know you're coming, but you know what they say...
>stealth is optional for this mission

>>33401165
>a bunch of selfish, antisocial assholes.
you just described every hong-er I met.

>>33402350
>The stakes were much higher then and nobody felt compelled to go all in.
More like suicidal according to what "intelligence" the US had on the USSR, and by the time they figured out how much a paper tiger the Soviets were, the USSR was rapidly falling into decline from trying to keep up the image so nothing needed to be done.
Completely different case with China. Their nuke arsenal is laughable and all their much howled about coastal denial strategy won't mean shit when their entire industrial and strategic capabilities are destroyed in a few days.

Personally I want them to finally get the great big dong of democracy shoved up their ass so they'll just shut up.

>>33404632
Good post

>>33399535
>Sexy. Why couldn't they have gone with that?

Higher technical risk than the conventional wing-tail arrangement.

File: Early ATF.jpg (142KB, 1161x1173px) Image search: [Google]

142KB, 1161x1173px

>>33399210

they wouldnt try the same trick twice would they????

>>33404820
>Their nuke arsenal is laughable

let's assume 100 nukes make it through.
It is then reasonable to conclude:

>entire (US) industrial and strategic capabilities are destroyed in a few days.

>>33407648
US would be improved if major cities were nuked

>>33398865
>>33398923

It wasn't Israel, China sent a spy to do it himself:

https://news.vice.com/article/man-who-sold-f-35-secrets-to-china-pleads-guilty

>Su's life in Canada did little to arouse suspicion. He had a wife and two kids. He ran his own business — Lode Technologies, based in Beijing, but with an office in Vancouver. Quietly, he was the center of an international hacking organization that stole highly sensitive information from some of the world's most powerful defense companies.

>>33398820
>Canards
Shit-tier engine confirmed.

>>33407648
>Liquid fueled ICBMs
>Warheads aren't stored on the rockets
>Rockets are stored in mountain facilities that can have all exits collapsed.
A close range first strike with SLBMs would eliminate their entire nuclear deterrent capability against the US.

>>33403015
>Super duper hi-tech Chinese 5th gen fighter uses outdated export Russian powerplants
>embarassing

>>33409770

My point is, China got its stealth act together before Russia did.....and Russia had a considerable head-start which it squandered.

>Hong Kong will be sweating now

Stealth jets are of little use in close-quarters, urban guerilla warfare.

>>33399308
Aren't the Israeli F-35's running their own avionics?

>>33409817
Only because the world shitcanned Russia's economy with sanctions because of Ukraine. Lets not kid ourselves, though. Ukraine was merely an excuse to fuck over Russia.

>>33409903

Whatever you say, Post-Truth. I don't recall when we told Russia to invade Ukraine.

>>33409937
When the West made a coup in Ukraine, allowing them to not-pay their gas bills and shut down some historical industry In the east

>>33409963

Yes, it's a total coincidence Russia entered Ukraine's borders right when it was being offered NATO membership. With Ukraine's borders compromised, it cannot enter NATO.

>>33409817
>China got its stealth act together
Its RCS is still not verified by anybody

>>33409903
>Russia's economy with sanctions
>muh sanctions
The Russian economy entered the stagnation zone even before Ukraine, and entered a recession due to oil prices. Sanctions rather went to the benefit, forcing the Russians to develop industry and agriculture, instead of borrowing.

>>33409846
Something like that.

>>33409977
>was being offered NATO membership
Nobody offered NATO membership to Ukraine

>>33409992
So in other words it's pretty stealthy, being unverifiable.

>>33409732
I thought they had at least 1 SSBM now?

>>33400742
Bahahahahahaha what a joke. Find a building without suicide nets and take a leap Chang

>>33402405
bless you

>>33400784
>GaN is a meme.

And yet America wants to use it.

http://www.janes.com/article/64251/ausa-2016-all-future-raytheon-an-tpy-2-radars-to-be-built-with-gan
>>33400823

America is a meme

>>33410514

F-22 program began in the mid 80s and had its first flight in 1997
J-20 program began in the late 90s and had its first flight in 2011

Only a chicom could spin being a decade and a half behind the USA as an advantage. No shit technology that has matured since the F-22 entered full rate production isn't on the F-22. Nobody doubts there will be upgrades to it using new technology and experience from the F-35 program, considering it is still the only 5th gen fighter in service in numbers that matter, there is no hurry.

>>33398820
Didn't Singapore and Belgium cancel the orders of F35's?

>>33410591

Singapore has put ordering it on hold, but on balance it is probably going to get some eventually. Unlike some customers they don't urgently need new aircraft, their newer F-16s have plenty of life left, and their F-15Es have still got that new-jet smell. There are also decisions like what variants to buy, for a country the without strategic depth like Singapore, making at least some of their buy F-35Bs does make sense however that will cost a lot more (both due to the jets themselves being more expensive, and the extra costs of having a mixed fleet) and are less capable than the A in "normal" flight.

To the best of my knowledge, the F-35 is by far the frontrunner still in Belgium, especially since the Dutch have confirmed their F-35 buy. I don't know the details though.

>>33400742
Why Are You Doing This Fucking Faggot ?

>>33407648
>lets assume something I need for my scenario to stand

>>33400967
And America Still Has Not Managed To Put One On The F-22 In All This Time. America Is Behind The Times And Will Not Even Consider Trying To Fight China. America Has Already Lost.

>>33411437
?
But the radar in the f-22 is AESA.

>>33407666
>le edgy response

>>33398820
How did they make this operational so quickly? Do they not run all the tests the USAF does? There are only a few J-20's thus far so there's no way they could have even close to a similar number of flight hours worth of testing.

>>33412033
I think they're doing what the US did with the F-35, developed in phases to work out problems before they start churning them out.

>>33398842
J-20 went into service a few weeks ago actually. Not really sure how the Israeli F-35A is in service tbf

Just because the article is wrong doesn't change that.

>>33411555
And It Is NOT GaN You Stupid Idiot

>>33412257
Oh no, one single radar on a plane that is less than 50 in number is slightly better (take no mind at how the US is starting to upgrade ours).

How will the US ever recover? Our submarines are now useless, as is our AEGIS systems.

>>33412163
Both Italy and Israel have their F-35s in active service in a training role. The Italians got theirs a little before the Israelis.

>>33399934
Yeah! Our best stealth planes only have drawings!l

>>33400258
Been doing it for decades actually

>>33398820
>implying their knockoff based on stolen data will compete against the real thing successfully

All China can do is copy/steal. They can't innovate, they can't increment... They're stuck at whatever point they were last able to copy/steal the relevant technology, meanwhile we improve and adapt in real time because Europeans can actually create new things.

>>33412774
That level of delusion...

>>33413455
>implying that the statement isn't true

When was the last time chinks did anything on their own?

>>33398820
>china
"operational"

Israel's F-35's are operational so it's 3

>>33399173
kek

It Never Fails To Make Me Laugh To See Stupid Americans Get Angry At Being Told The Truth About China And Its Clear Superiority. Enjoy Your "Stealth" Being Detected By Space Based Quantum Radars.

>>33398820
>Hong Kong will be sweating now
At 23 degrees above the equator that's pretty much always the case.

>>33410001
>>33409846
IDK, it was just a cheap shot at the place too many of my tax dollars are going, I'll be real.

>>33399544
Their coating and shape is far less stealthy, even by their own inflated claims. Plus, everyone here is forgetting that the chinks can't into jet engines.

The PLAF and PLAN have already placed order for their older Russian clone aircraft, which leads me to believe they either can't mass produce it or it's not that effective. Or both.

>>33400216
50 Cent Army please go. I'll see you in the South China Sea, the Korean Peninsula, Taiwan and anywhere else you try to asset your evil, despotic, oppressive hegemony.

>>33400266
http://breakingdefense.com/2017/03/growing-asia-pacific-tensions-demand-new-us-strategy/?utm_source=hs_email&utm_medium=email&utm_content=47864855&_hsenc=p2ANqtz-9-7Pn48FoWwkIM1Vr3Pqgl36R7nqe1LlHxHKlvhA8e2HOCxz86AvhZLzTyMS03hKrRBA_rDsoyjsIXZcEaUza2UWPUww&_hsmi=47864855

>>33409817
Or Russia is far more realistic and interested in a functional aircraft and is therefore investing more time into R&D in order to have a better final product.

>>33414140
Hehe

>>33400216
>Sails carrier group in behind you
Nothing personal kid

File: IMG_0605.jpg (28KB, 261x194px) Image search: [Google]

28KB, 261x194px

>>33414843
Kekekekek

>>33414759
>I'll see you in the South China Sea, the Korean Peninsula, Taiwan and anywhere else you try to asset your evil, despotic, oppressive hegemony.
Xi's China is in a similar position to Wilhelmine Germany. Making a naval expansion against the world's top thalassocracy, and getting a triumphal attitude before they've even made a triumph. Unless the USA completely pussies out from conflict, China is setting themselves up for pain. But that's the big danger, USA pussying out.

File: China_Bulldozer.png (132KB, 582x407px) Image search: [Google]

132KB, 582x407px

CHINA

>>33415063
China Will Grow Larger.

>>33398820
>canards
>stealthy

Fucking 1990s all up in here

File: calf_lockheed_01.jpg (49KB, 550x396px) Image search: [Google]

49KB, 550x396px

>>33415134

>>33407648
Even if you weren't retarded, 100 nukes would not stop the US. It would, however, decimate China.

>>33398820
I'm from Hong Kong . And a fucking communist

>>33402278
>If China wins, it can immediately retake Taiwan and the SCS and establish a powerbase that would be unchallenged.

China cannot control its Asian neighbors militarily. Even if it could defeat their militaries it would be impossible for them to occupy the countries and control their economies. It stands to gain much more by further integrating their economies into its own peacefully.

>USA would also be forced into some defensive wars on several fronts as various places exploit a temporary reduction in forces to kick USA out of anywhere that they're not wanted.
Even without direct intervention the US could easily make an occupation more costly to China than it would be worth, why would it be forced into defensive wars? It's not as if China can or would threaten the US mainland. And the only place the US isn't wanted where they would have to be kicked out of is the Middle East, where China is obviously not capable of direct military intervention of any sort.

>If USA wins, China is contained and USA becomes unchallenged and writes off a fuck load of debt.
China is already contained by its corrupt political system. The issues the US has to deal with (especially in terms of debt) have relatively little to do with China.

>Possibly, the CCCP collapses and China disintegrates. The pieces of China would be much easier to exploit for exactly the kind of manufacturing bases and cheap labor that they've been selling for years.

So Asia turns into a second Middle East. Yeah, that sounds really fucking appealing for the US... You know that stability is a key requirement for a manufacturing base, right? Anyway, the idea of China as the world's factory floor is about 5-10 years out of date, low cost manufacturing is moving to Africa, and high tech manufacturing is moving back to the US.

>USA's nearest competitor for global dominance
lol

>>33414725
>Their coating and shape is far less stealthy, even by their own inflated claims
-t, 4chan "expert".

Shut your whore mouth, you fucking retard.

>>33414759
>asset your evil, despotic, oppressive hegemony.
1) it's ASSERT
2) you're retarded

>>33417638
confirmed for 4chan koolaid drinking retard.

Do us all a favor and KYS.

>>33402278
> China is catching up faster than USA can innovate ahead and if enough time passes

The US political and economic system is set up to foster innovation. The Chinese system is set up to do the opposite.

>China could potentially be on an even technological footing with a larger economy one day.

China already has trouble creating an economy to compete with the US when they have several times the population and they have a huge demographic crisis approaching. The US culture and immigration policies allow it to replenish its demographics with immigrants.

Going to war wouldn't be in either country's interest, America's least of all. The most you're likely to see is dick waving in order to influence other countries in the region.

>>33417705
I'm sure you could respond to my points but it would just be a waste of time, right? You sure showed me.

File: 1490394195567.jpg (19KB, 220x220px) Image search: [Google]

19KB, 220x220px

>>33417730
>The US culture and immigration policies allow it to replenish its demographics with immigrants

>>33415063
I build for china!

>>33407705
>it's always a leaf
REEEEEEE

F-35 is also quite the wrong aircraft to counter attacking J-20 aircraft.

It will be interesting to see if countries like Japan are capable of producing better matching stealth fighters.

>>33417638
You do realize that China has set up de facto colonies in Africa, right?

>>33420477
They're more like proto-refuge camps than colonies.

The rats know the ship is sinking.

>>33420477
I sure do. I also seem to have noticed that they're doing it peacefully, not by invading. Huh.

>>33417730
>and they have a huge demographic crisis approaching.
Because civil war along racial lines is nothing, but China having a bit extra men will destroy them

Average IQ in the US has dropped rapidly among the young
Maybe up to 3-4 points.

But hey thats progress I guess, deny all the problems, insist that nothing negative can ever happen in the west, that the state will always take care of everything..

>>33421306
>Because civil war along racial lines is nothing, but China having a bit extra men will destroy them

It's not about the skewed male/female ratio, it's about the age pyramid. How is China going to afford taking care of all those old people? The US has decided to do it by bankrupting itself, China certainly can't follow that model.

>deny all the problems, insist that nothing negative can ever happen in the west, that the state will always take care of everything..

I never said that, and certainly didn't mean to imply that the US has no problems, so excuse me. I merely pointed out that the problems the US has to deal with are not caused by China, nor would they be solved by going to war with China. The same applies to China, starting a war with the US isn't going to make anything better for them.

To say that it would be in the best interests of either country to start a war is fucking stupid.

File: 1490271452860.jpg (255KB, 2000x1525px) Image search: [Google]

255KB, 2000x1525px

>>33400179